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Offline gauschor

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #105 on: October 13, 2012, 07:55:54 PM »
I knew Prof. Stefan Marinov quite well. Unfortunately he committed suicide in the mid nineties. Marinov told me the
Methernita group said they would give him the secret of the Testatika if he joined the group and swore to keep the secret.
He also told me that they said it is not an overunity machine as this was impossible and but that it draws its energy from space. The small machine had to be aligned N-S to start but there was no similar constraint on the big machine.
Marinov also said  that Paul Baumann was a watch maker and early on was briefly in prison for some reason and employed in the workshop. At night when the lights were out, he always had a source of light to read by. We speculated on this and came to the conclusion the light was probably produced by luminous paint activated by radium bromide which was common practice for luminous clock and watch dials at that time and readily available for watch and clock dial painting.
I asked Marinov if the he thought the  testatika was powered by this radium bromide and he said he hoped not. 
here is an example of a possibly similar effect of radium on radio antenna
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Intensifying Radio Signals with Radium; in [size=78%]Electrical Experimenter, 04:06 October 1916 Electrical Experimenter[/size]
Here is one place to get a copy but you have to buy it:-  [size=78%]http://www.g-books.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&prod[/size]


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Afaik they always insisted that no radium was used. It would definitely be interesting to read this chapter "Intensifying Radio Signals with Radium" from the old book.  Maybe the Meternita just deducted some principle from the way radium was used in such a device and made it work with electromagnetism?

Edit: found a print of the page in goggle: http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/radium_radio_intensifier.pdf
Let's have a read...

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #105 on: October 13, 2012, 07:55:54 PM »

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #106 on: October 13, 2012, 08:18:57 PM »
In the german HCRS-forum once someone from Bern mentioned, that his boss was once electrician in the prison, where Baumann was imprisoned. After 22:00 all lights were switched off, only in Baumann's cell there was still light. It seems he connected some little lamp to a black box. When his boss asked him, what this box was, Baumann just mumbled something about free energy, but didn't want to explain any detail.
So I definitely do not go for this story with the radioactive paint.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #107 on: October 14, 2012, 11:50:48 AM »
I don't want to offend anyone here, but to be honest, as long as there's no verifiable proof for a theory, it just remains another theory like many others.
And Tesla's "hairpin circuit" is IMHO just one other heavily misinterpreted Tesla circuit. It is so obvious what Tesla did here, that I sometimes cannot understand how one can interpret such strange things into this device. He just showed with this device. that if you create standing waves on a conductor, you get knots with high amplitudes and knots with nothing. So by connecting loads at these different points and then changing the frequency to have different standing waves you can get some lamps to light while others remain dark even if they are connected to the same conductor. Nothing special there. Especially nothing FE.
And according to Mr Baumann the machine generated the energy with the help of air ions. He even stated, that if one does let the machine run in a closed room, the machine will soon stop. They always had to open a window or a door for the machine to run continuously.

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« Reply #107 on: October 14, 2012, 11:50:48 AM »
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #108 on: October 14, 2012, 12:01:26 PM »
Jorge Resines seems to have replicated the testatika:


http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/testareplicationjr.htm


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #109 on: October 14, 2012, 12:08:10 PM »
From there it is pretty simple really. I won't get into details
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(Bearden) ... (Thane Heinz)

All the information is out there. You just have to put the big picture together.

You are quoting people who themselves never proved anything. Bearden is only a chatterbox, nothing else. It's always the same with these people claiming "yay, it's all there, just put it together, and don't forget the bad oil companies suppress everything". Once they'd lay their hands to actual experimenting they would see, it's not that easy.

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Offline gauschor

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #110 on: October 14, 2012, 01:04:46 PM »
@Replication of Jorge Resine:

Here is my observation and assumptions:

Regarding that replication I believe that I read in an article years ago that the discs of this replication were rotating very fast and the motor was powered by conventional electricity from the socket.
This leads me to the conclusion that he just drove the discs fast enough to produce enough static electricity. From my own experience on how long it takes to charge up a small cap (needs about 3 revolutions) I'd say this device uses about 50-150 revolutions / second.

Another hint: you can see he is not using conventional light bulbs (the one with the wire in it) but energy saving bulbs. These energy saving lamps are easier to lit than conventional bulbs. This has already been proven using different Joule Thief Circuits.

So the output of 300 Watts might just be the light intensity of 3x100 Watt conventional bulbs, but not real Watts.

Maybe he got enough power to light the energy saving bulbs, but never enough to feed it back to the motor. This principle must also differ completely from the principle of the Testatika, because the discs of the latter one were rotating by only 1 revolution / per second and Baumann actually lit "real" bulbs.

In my opinion this replication never was a replication.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #111 on: October 14, 2012, 05:16:11 PM »
Of course we have to take a lot at face value, I do not know if Baumann had a wire going into the mains socket hidden round the back either. It is only because Stefan Marinov told me personally that he had held the small machine in his hands and started it himself that I believe the Methernita people had discovered something important. At one time Marinov was a physics professor so was well familiar with conventional electromagnetism.
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #112 on: October 15, 2012, 05:50:41 PM »
It is very difficult for me to believe that the Testatica depends on any major way on static electricity. There are a number of things that make static a problematic explanation. Static electricity involves the accumulation of high voltages on well-insulated metal surfaces or patch charges on insulating non-conducting surfaces like glass or plastic.

In no particular order:

1) you can hold one in your hand while it works
2) there are supposed to be single-disk versions (although there are single disk static machines too)
3) there are a lot of points and edges and generally tight radius metal parts like thin wires that would prevent high voltages from developing
4) the disks spin slowly
5) allegedly the number of sectors is related to the output frequency
6) Baumann called one disk "earth" and the other disk "cloud" as if to mean they have different or opposite polarities. But this is not how Wimshurst or Bonetti machines work, rather it is the "left" and "right" halves of the machine, involving both disks, that have the different polarities.
7) the power output seems too great
8) there are a lot of surfaces that can accumulate dust and moisture from the air, and these kill static machines, especially in humid weather
9) I don't recall any reports of smells of ozone, corona glow, occasional sparking, or being shocked while holding the small one by hand while running.

I too am personally acquainted with someone who went to Methernitha and handled the small unit while it was running. He has no explanation, although I don't know his views specifically concerning the possibility of a static electricity explanation.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #113 on: October 15, 2012, 06:48:48 PM »

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Just plain stupid arguing. If someone has something which works and wants everyone to have it - and this is the only way to work for free energy devices - then there are enough ways nowadays to do it and yet keep staying anonymous. If you don't realize that, then you must really lack basic knowledge on how to use "information technology". But you can of course continue to believe in your conspiracy and suppression theories, in people like Bearden, Keshe, Mylow, etc.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #114 on: October 15, 2012, 07:17:28 PM »
It is you that is a chatter box. Perhaps if you could read and write above a third grade level it would all make more sense and you could comprehend what others have shared.

If you do one of these three things, the national security agency will send a letter of mark to the president who will sign it, hand that off to the cowboys at CIA and they will murder you. They classify it as a national security economic threat. While it would not hurt my economics or yours perhaps you have not noticed your government does not represent you.

The three things are:

1. Do a credible public demonstration beyond any reasonable doubt.
2. Draw a detailed schematic that can be replicated.
3. Attempt to manufacture and sell a device.

Now I am real sorry you are not intelligent enough to "put it together" but you might just need to do what a bunch of us have done, and that is spend 30 years or so working on it.

The displacement current acts as an accelerator. All free energy devices convert mass into atomic energy and they all use acceleration to do that.

Displacement current alone will not do the trick but then I never claimed that. Again, I would suggest you spend more time carefully reading and less time spouting off about something you obviously know nothing about. That's good advice from an old man that spent decades figuring these things out.

I'm just sure there are good reasons that free energy devices are not allowed and the science not taught in school. Maybe someday when the Earth is not polluted with idiots and thugs, they will be available. Until then, if you can't afford the gas, get on the short bus.


particle accelarator..mm..SM wrote about CRT television and an accident occurred in 1965.a CRT  can accelerate particle (ions) trough the "correct" 2 pulsed frequencies and convert the mass into electrical energy?? If the receptor is not polarized it does not work.the linden experiment show the magnet and coil capturing the "modified"ions and make 700 volts.probably the vortex still present even the machine was stopped.....

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #115 on: October 20, 2012, 06:33:53 PM »
here is a diagram that suggests the Testatika uses radium as energy source


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #116 on: October 22, 2012, 04:23:47 PM »
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I don't recall any reports of smells of ozone, corona glow, occasional sparking, or being shocked while holding the small one by hand while running.
Actually we have more than one report which report sparks. Albert Hauser also reported that one could hear typical corona hissing as when using a Wimshurst or other influence machines.


@Mike: BTW: We just recently discovered a statement by you in the yahoo group, that a friend of you talked to Bosshard, and he told, that they couldn't scale the machines up.
Maybe you can tell a bit more about the source of this statement, and if he maybe also mentioned some other things.


For me, this sentence was quite an eye opener, as this is for me the best explanation so far, why they suddenly stopped building the machines.
If they really would work with stimulated radioactive decay, then there should have been no problem in scaling them up. If on the other hand it worked with air ions, you would very well expect that there is a certain max energy you can get at a local point before you get a saturation. So it could have well been, that they realized, that although they made them bigger, they couldn't get more energy out of it.
This would be similar to Plauson's balloons, where he had to put them 100m away from each other so that they didn't had to share the same amount of energy.
If the Testatikas had the same problem, then they would have been more or less useless, as the energy output per earth-surface would have been terrible low (as Plauson's balloon idea).


Maybe after some tries with bigger machines they started to realize this and so they trashed all future development of these machines.
E.g. if we would assume, that the machine gets its energy from the earth e-field, which is surely possible, then it would be obvious, that the total energy you could get even over the whole surface of the earth is just about the energy produced by one single nuclear plant. So definitely no alternative source of energy to feed the energy need of mankind. And the impact on nature not even mentioned...


The explanation from Baumann, that the machine works with the air ions and that it needed open windows to work also wouldn't make sense in relation to a radioactive power source.


From recent reports we also know, that the big long rear tubes of the 3kW machine, which do have these strangely patterned foil on them actually didn't have this foil on them, when the first visitors saw the machine. They could clearly see through the tube while it was running. And in the tube was just one big aluminum lathe turning, nothing else.


And just one additional note: I really don't think the machine has anything to do with a Wimshurst or any other known influence machine. Why? Look at the first machine made (the little two disc machine). It has only the two side electrodes and the top electrode on the front disc and no corner electrodes at all!


Edit:
Another note. AFAIK there's no visitor who ever saw the machine under a load for longer times. From all reports i know, they just saw the machine under load for a few seconds. This would also be explainable with the air ions theory, as under load, the air would have been saturated much more quickly. And then it needed some time for the ion cloud to get transported away by the e-field of the earth. This would mean, that the indicated 3kW power was only peak, and the machine not capable of delivering this power continuously.
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #117 on: October 23, 2012, 03:46:23 PM »
As you probably know Stefan Marinov believed in overunity right up to his suicide in 1997. He told me that he asked Bossard or Baumann about the testatika being an perpetual motion  machine and the reply was that perpetual motion is impossible. The clear implication was that the machine had an energy source of some sort.
If aerial ions were the source, and the machine was producing 200 watts, then at 100 volts the load would be taking 2 amps, or 2 coulombs per second which is 3.2 *10^19 ions/second, assuming a minimum single electric charge. If the Testatika could attract that quantity of charge from the environment then onlookers would certainly suffer ionising radiation damage.
I heard that Baumann has only recently died at a very advanced age.


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #118 on: October 23, 2012, 06:07:23 PM »
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If the Testatika could attract that quantity of charge from the environment then onlookers would certainly suffer ionising radiation damage.
First, I personally really don't think it attracted the ions, but that it generated the ions, for this is IMHO much more efficient. And secondly, it only depends how much energy you can get out of the earth e-field per ion (voltage), as how much energy you can get for the number of ions (current).
E.g. Plauson got about 3kW of energy for one of his balloons, but that was certainly at quite some height.
BTW: Even Viktor Schauberger declared that one of his early small machines was capable of ionizing the air at a rate of 40Amps!


Baumann clearly explained, that it works with air ions. So the question is, if he lied, or if he meant something completely different.
I personally think that it is much more likely that the machine used the earth e-field for power production, than radioactive sources, for the Methernitha people had quite an aversion against radioactive power plants.
It's also very unlikely that the machine got it's power from a conversion of ambient thermal energy, as no visitor ever reported the room getting cooler. Actually they even said the opposite when they attached a heating element.
And that the machines didn't work anymore inside a faraday-cage is IMHO an additional point against the theory of the radioactive power source.

Sure nobody knows, but IMHO clearly more clues point into the direction of air ions as power source, than other means.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #119 on: October 24, 2012, 05:14:15 PM »
But the air ion theory as the energy source for the testatika does not stand up to scrutiny. The fine weather earth atmosphere conduction current is 2 x 10^-16 amps/sq cm. or 2 X 10^-12 amps/sq metre,  see B.F Schonland "Atmospheric Electricity" page 41 and Chapter 2  Electric Fields and Atmospheric Electric Currents.
It seems to me that the only other possibilities are some sort of free energy discovery or radioactivity such as Moray and Hubbard and others used used 90 years ago.


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