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Offline John.K1

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #180 on: September 17, 2013, 11:44:58 PM »
T-1000 :  Your right- I didn't read previous :)  I will take a look later.   Did you think about Electret? I do believe it might play quite important role here - polarized plastic with permanent electric charge ? On other hand, now I realized the Quartz crystals are also Electret.
It is interesting how many  things has something common ,  like - Crystal batteries (you polarise them when you make them) , pyramid generator made of polarized quartz crystals (very good tutorial how to build it on YouTube - functional one), now Testatica.  I will not build this device , I just try to understand basic of hidden energy  principles and looking for many similarities and hope to find some pieces of information I can put together to make something working.


 

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Offline gauschor

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #181 on: December 06, 2013, 07:05:37 PM »
So after another topic about electrostatics I came back here to write down some thoughts (which most likely have been covered already by some people here, but I can't remember).

Now I believe that the U-shaped magnets of the Testatika are in fact NO MAGNETS at all, but simple ferrite bars. Simple fucking ferrite (or similar) cores. They act as the cores of a "Flyback" transformer to transform impulses from a spark gap. This also means, that only 1 wire is attached to it and its wire ending is open. Principally they could have used stick-shaped cores as well. It just seems to be more practical having a U-shaped bar. I came to this conclusion, because initially I planned a O-shaped transformer core, which is unnecessary.

The most primitive act would be to discharge the +/- potential coming from a Wimshurst-like disc in a spark gap. From each end of the spark gap a single wires leads to one of the U-shaped cores. Each winding induces a magnetic field into the specific core and thereby transforms the impulses on its own. Principally the second windings (these are winded as usual) from each of the 2 cores would deliver us AC already. Now we could rectify the AC from both cores and put each result into 2 caps. These 2 caps we could again be switched into parallel to get double amperage. Does this sound viable?

Important note is that: usually the impulses are quite weak if the spark gap is close. Hardly strong enough to magnetise a core. So I assume they most likely use magnetically quenched spark gaps - which - I am just guessing here - enhances the amperage, making the impulses stronger. I previously had no idea how to quench spark gaps, until I saw this video which showed that you can put the magnet very close (and I really mean VERY CLOSE) to the spark (just need an isolator in between to prevent the spark jump on the magnets). Also the spark gap itself can be quite close together. It is said the spark makes a much more popping sound.

Didn't one of the principle experiments create a huge popping sound when someone turned the crank back and forth a couple of times? A sound much more popping than a usual discharge?

Also it should be noted that on their flyback transformers they use not much windings. I always thought and experimented with a bazillion windings on the one side and fewer windings on the other side to "transform-down" the high voltage. This was completely WRONG THINKING. Because you can't transform a potential. You can only transform impulses. And these can only come from a spark gap.

The funny thing is, in my original air-coils-transformer (which had a bazillion thin wire windings on the one end and fewer but thicker windings on the other end) - I got "stronger" impulses: but now I realized that was simply and only out of the reason that the bazillion windings acted as a "charge-holder" (almost like a Leyden jar) - therefore it took minimally longer to charge it up - therefore the spark was stronger - therefore the impulse was stronger.

So back to where I was: in the Testatika you see quite a thick wires on the flyback transformer. In my opinion this is required as the impulses are enhanced by magnetic quench. A thinner wire would be worse and have too much resistance for decent amperage flow. It somehow fits together... I still doubt, it'll provide enough to output power, but you'll never know...

Offline mikewatson

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #182 on: December 06, 2013, 07:31:41 PM »
Have you seen this  replication of the Testatika  ( by Jorge Resines?)


http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/testareplicationjr.htm


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #183 on: December 07, 2013, 02:08:23 PM »
Hello, it's Elena from Testatika Yahoo-group here.
Mike and everybody, those photos of  Jorge Resines's replica are around the Web since 10 years or so.
It was known to be a fake.
I can also point out (as I did elsewhere) that 100% it is from Italy, because of the mains sockets
you see in background. Some power cable must be hidden somewhere, coming perhaps from the
right corner. Also the very fact of taking a shot of the alleged replica right near an unused socket should
be taken clearly as a distracting factor (no need to be a psychiatrist for that ;)

As for the rest... please everybody keep in mind that all data and clues we have officially collected about
the Testatika on the Yahoo group seem indicating quite unequivocally that the source of energy are AIR
IONS. Thus in the light of this fact I always refused (until a strong counter proof) to contemplate
alternative explanations as radioactivity or even exotic energy sources like zpe, aether, neutrinos,
gravity fields, etc.

As for the crystals... yes, it's a matter of fact also their statement of some secret being hidden in the
crystals, but that could simply relate to their piezoelectric or even ferroelectric properties, not
necessarily radioactivity. And perhaps, once the principle is known, they could even be not so strictly
necessary for it to work. 

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #184 on: December 07, 2013, 04:40:06 PM »
Hello Elena,


Yes I am aware this Jorge Resines testatika,  has been around for some time. I have heard that Resines himself is dead. He used to write for Borderlands from time to time.


I knew Stefan Marinov well, he told me Baumann (the then head of the Methernita inner circle) said he would tell him the secret provided he agreed to keep knowledge of the workings of the testatika secret, he refused.
Marinov was a believer in OU despite having been an assistant physics professor in the university of Graz for a time.
Marinov told me that when he mentioned to Baumann that the testatika was an OU device and a great scientific discovery, Baumann retorted, words to the effect that perpetual motion and was impossible.


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Offline forest

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #185 on: December 07, 2013, 06:38:43 PM »
I believe that source of energy are not ions but the way you speed them up.... ::)

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #186 on: December 07, 2013, 06:49:51 PM »
Hello Elena,

Marinov told me that when he mentioned to Baumann that the testatika was an OU device and a great scientific discovery, Baumann retorted, words to the effect that perpetual motion and was impossible.


Mike, yes I know Marinov's story quite well, just can you explain me better your sentence above ?




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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #187 on: December 07, 2013, 06:54:55 PM »
I believe that source of energy are not ions but the way you speed them up.... ::)


What would you suggest with that smiley then... ? :)
Are perhaps you thinking of the magnets ? Magnets can't do work (as for plain science)...

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #188 on: December 07, 2013, 08:46:11 PM »

What would you suggest with that smiley then... ? :)
Are perhaps you thinking of the magnets ? Magnets can't do work (as for plain science)...


I only point to misunderstaning...you can have a bottle full of pressurised air but it's not the air which is energy inside. The same about capacitors or condensers as were known in the past.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #189 on: December 07, 2013, 11:11:29 PM »

I only point to misunderstaning...you can have a bottle full of pressurised air but it's not the air which is energy inside. The same about capacitors or condensers as were known in the past.

Ah, that's ok then. As for me, I think I actually understand things quite well. Ions actually represent
potential energy, which is given back every time they neutralize again to form neutral atoms. If one
just could collect them (possibly without increasing their potential too much, since that would be
additional work from the outside), and then let them merge together in a controlled, sorted manner,
one could get energy from the current obtained. Order from chaos... like a kind of Maxwell's demon.
I figure it out this way at least.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #190 on: December 08, 2013, 09:16:15 AM »
how can you collect them if they repel each other due to the same electrical polarity ? work has to be done to collect them and work has to be done to move them

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #191 on: December 08, 2013, 02:21:43 PM »
how can you collect them if they repel each other due to the same electrical polarity ? work has to be done to collect them and work has to be done to move them

I know that perfectly, of course; I would have already understood the Principle otherwise :)
Some trick must exist, though. I've been crashing my mind against this puzzle for years...
Nevertheless, I can't think all their statements about air electricity are lies, expecially those made
initially when they were still inadvertitely a bit too opened to explanations and shows...
And it can't definitely be matter of discharging those excess positive (fair weather) or negative (bad
weather) ions to ground, like in Plauson's or Tesla's apparatuses, because the Testatika lacks any
form of ground connection !

We also had collected further info from Albert Hauser, thanks to a member of our group who managed
to exchange some emails with him recently. Hauser was told that after some time of working in a closed
room, doors and windows should be opened for the Testatika to continue working. He was also told
(literally) that the big pots are to store positive and negative ions respectively (yes, that Baumann
told him, it makes few sense, but we know they perhaps knew physics only intuitively). Then we have
some reported words from Bosshard, vague, rather unscientific words, but which are key concepts for
me: he was speaking of the same principle of tornadoes, i.e a law aiming for order directed to the center,
which was a revelation for him when he understood it, a principle sorting out useful energy from random
motion. Bosshard also talked of "letting electrons go where they want". He also spoke of Osmosis, you
know, that force which counterbalances pressure to allow for entropy increasing. And I/we drew the
parallel with the Contact Potential effect, which cause charges to migrate from two different metals
with different electronegativity causing an external E-field to be present, and it is not a case that
Baumann always used copper and aluminium for his experiments ! Just, I/we couldn't make 2+2 yet.


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #192 on: December 08, 2013, 06:15:41 PM »

In Marinov's Deutsche Physik, C. Monstein reported some experiments with a wimshurst machine concerning the Rowland effect in relation to the Testatika (the production of a magnetic field by a moving electric charge) "Wimshurstmascine beeinflusst lokales ErdmagnetfeldDeutche Physik vol 4  number 15".


"Monstein's observations are highly interesting. If they are authentic, they signify that that the electric charge on a wimshurst machine is 1000 times higher when the machine rotates with respect to the charge when it is at rest (at the same tension)]
Thus one has to assume that the Wimshurst machine has two capacities: a static one, C (stat) calculated by the well-known formula and a dynamic one, Cdyn ' which is much higher, and is due to the special construction of the machine. If this is true, then the electric energy pumped in a rotating wimshurst machine U(e) = !/2 Cdyn U2 where U is the respective tension will be very large and larger than the mechanical energy invested...."


I have not tried Monstein's experiment myself. However it could be that some sort of physical anomaly like this was discovered by Baumann. Unfortunately Baumann is dead and his secret may have died with him.


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #193 on: December 08, 2013, 07:14:10 PM »
Mike, what you told is interesting. The problem is, Marinov, as we learnt, was too unscientifically
biased towards his ideas against energy conservation (IIRC he realized and admitted his faults only
later in life, before death). I frankly have already seen a couple of cases where he made wrong
interpretations of physical experiments seeing overunity in electrostatics, but those were just mistakes
of him. One example is his long argumentation in the first part of TWT-V about supposed overunity
effects in the Toepler machine, which I definitely studied and felt to discard (unfortunately!).
Another example (thanks to a member of our group for his translations from German !!!) is a statement
he made in an Italian article (http://digilander.libero.it/altraenergia/testa1.html), where he reported
that Poggendorff realized some violation of energy conservation in an electrostatic motor able to
recharge its HV capacitor - well, from studying that German Poggendorff's paper, our member concluded
that Marinov once again either didn't understand the paper, or he had serious physics lacunae.
Just add that to all the devices he built which would have allegedly violated some extablished physics
principle. Thus, the only thing I can trust of Marinov is his first person experience with the Testatika and
the honesty with which he admitted he couldn't graps the principle.

I would like to read personally the papers you mentioned though, but once more I have to give up
because I can't read German... as for now, I can just suspect it's about some measurement errors
with the resulting magnetic field. Since the Rowland effect is usually so weak and so hard to measure
without proper tools, they might have failed even by some orders of magnitude to measure it, assuming
perhaps a larger value, which mathematically standed for a larger charge density than actually is...

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #194 on: December 08, 2013, 08:47:37 PM »
Hi Hel,


The experiment was done by Christian Monstein not Marinov. It was just reported in Deutsche Physik. Attached is a pdf of one page of it showing the experimental setup used by Monstein.


I would suggest that Monstein's method is not trivial and had little to do with Marinov's belief in overunity/ampere bridge/Prof. Pappas etc etc.


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