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Title: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: archon79 on April 08, 2007, 03:19:29 AM

Some important information about the TPU has come to light that deserves a thread of its own. If you do not follow this advice you will be completely wasting your time doing TPU replications.

Steve Mark has told Mannix that the solid state circuit part of his design must be located within the collector coil

"Why do you think we HAD to place our control devices in the middle of the operating coil? Listen: when these units get going they F**K with the control units, changing the signals they put out and receive. they have no choice but to get off frequency and shut down. In most cases they will not even start up."

This also means that some of you may have actually come across the correct design for a working TPU, but since the circuit was not inside the coil you just ditched the design and moved on to the next one. Frustrating yes, but now you know.

This info could also be just some disinformation as we do not really know if it is SM talking to Mannix. But on all the videos when a TPU is actually functioning it does seem correct that the circuits are kept within the coil.

Hi all,
I xpressed my frustration in how my instruments seem to go crazy when the most interesting combinations are used.



I hope things are calmed in your life when you receive this.
I fully understand your feelings of frustration. To work hard to see nothing of a positive is sometimes shattering to one's self.
I know very well... I had a great deal of help and it took us years just to develop a SS control system that would work! And this is after we knew how to make generators!!!

Let me tell you something which may be of some significance...
When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky, it was the ONLY working model for many months. I showed the thing to people and eventually got enough interest to get money and other engineers involved to crack the code so to speak, and be able to make more of them.
After I had the first operating unit I kept trying to make another one. It took me many many many tries just to duplicate the same unit and make it work!
I thought of everything... why couldn't I make another one that would work? I decided that there must be a few more turns of wire in the collector etc. We spent months trying to duplicate the first unit. we had money and engineering staff and we couldn't do it....
I was very afraid to dismantle the first and only working example of the device, which appeared to be the only way to see what the reason was as to why we couldn't duplicate the performance. But eventually after months of not being able to duplicate the first working model, we had no choice but to take it apart in hopes of finding out what was in the first one that we couldn't duplicate in  the others which followed.
My point to this story is.... WE spent months and months trying in every conceivable way to duplicate a unit. The only thing that kept us going night and day was the fact that we already had one. We knew it was possible to have a working device.. It was the only thing that kept us going on the  project. And even then we said I GIVE UP so many times I cant count.
We kept it up and eventually discovered the really STUPID reason why all of our duplicates wouldn't work. We then made many of the damn things in all sizes and shapes and then we tried to make a small control device which obviously had to be SS.
WEll, can you imagine how much hair we pulled out trying to figure out why we could NOT make a SS control device that would keep the Damn things on frequency!!!
We, NONE of us could think of a reason why SS devices would not work. After all they did the same things as tubes, just better, didn't they?
The reason it took soooooo long to make a successful SS control unit is because we maintained that attitude for so long. Finally we came to the conclusion that there must be SOMETHING that tube control devices did differently then SS devices. I had a friend who was a wiz-bang SS color TV expert. I asked him if he could give us some pointers on duplicating the tube control devices in a SS state device. His tips eventually pointed us in the right direction and we made SS control devices out of discreet devices which worked. Remember that this was before the big linear IC boom, so everything we did was with little discreet parts and big PC boards. By the way, we found out some very important things during our research that I am sure, very sure that none of the boys out their know about. The following is very interesting:
# 1. PC boards made out of different materials change the operating conditions of SS devices. # 2. Soldering the components at least 1/2 inch above the board itself is essential to making a good SS control unit out of discrete devices.
# 3. As you know, Large amounts of FEEDBACK is essential to frequency and control when using SS devices for everything in the electronics world, HOWEVER, it is the enemy of generators!  If anyone ever gets one of these things operating, have them measure the electro magnetic and hash radio around the unit....it will blow your mind. so, what does that do to control devices in close proximity?
Why do you think we HAD to place our control devices in the middle of the operating coil? Listen: when these units get going they F**K with the control units, changing the signals they put out and receive. they have no choice but to get off frequency and shut down. In most cases they will not even start up.
TUBES are NOT as sensitive as SS control devices and DO NOT require the massive amounts of feed back to operate. There is an advantage in tubes just from that standpoint alone, not to mention all the other things I have mentioned in the past.
I told you guys long ago...
If just these two little things are important discoveries, how far off are all the guys out there trying design their own control devices?   So tell them what I have said and listen to them all scream balderdash!! Haresy!!! And then you can tell them that we found out way back then... It is because the material some PC boards are made out of can absorb humidity... So.... depending on the conditions of humidity of the specific day, the boards would change the characteristics of the SS control circuits.
It took us a long time just to find that little thing out... we never thought of it. no one ever thought of it.... BUT, it turned out to be a very significant thing and so we used the absolute finest PC board material the government used in missiles and rockets... You see, even though no one knows about the PC board material being important to sensitive instruments and SS devices, the government did... So we learned, and learned...
And you and everybody else, God Willing, will learn too.
I am sorry it is so discouraging for you and others. The only thing that kept us going is the fact that we had a working unit to keep reminding us that it is possible. otherwise, we would NEVER have succeeded.
I have faith in you because you have understood from the beginning that i have reasons for telling you specific things. I mentioned at the beginning that, it was much easer to make one of these things work if you use tubes as a control system rather then SS devices. At least you took me seriously and because of that, I have faith in you.
Listen, do remember i mentioned that these things were in many ways like a COLOR TV in sophistication. not because of a massive amount of parts and discrete components, but because if one tiny little thing is off just a tiny little bit, the whole thing will stop working.
Just like a color TV. Now, how many different control systems and how many discrete devices were used in those individual control systems in the first color TVs?
Now, I ask you, what are these guys thinking about when they let their ego's force them to ignore things i have said in the beginning and go off trying to design and develop their own control devices using SS units. SS units which are OUTBOARD of the collector ring i might add?  Some of them have gotten results and some of them have gotten big power surges and dissipation of heat... all of which is wonderful and certainly proves the point that there is truly something going on here. BUT, i guarantee you that their SS control devices are all sitting right beside the collector... aren't they? They will probably never start the coil and get to catalyst. I am not saying it is impossible, but it will Damn difficult for these guys to get more then a big bang once in a while. And just like me, that big bang will excite them enough to continue for a while longer. Maybe one of them will read back and see where I said the SS control device must be placed inside the collector coil. then they will explode with, MY GOD, maybe that is the reason why...... and off they will go. in the right direction at least.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Mannix on April 08, 2007, 04:06:44 AM
Hey,

Has somebody turned on a light?

I wonder if the tubes my be important too.

It could be that they are also "easier" ..."especially to begin with"
Of course if it does not fit with your idea of "TPU" then it must be wrong ay?

Steven has supplied information and experiences and even some well meant advice.

It is in some ways it is  a tragedy that it is not heeded as was intended ...but  some may see it that  this some sort of silly game.
 

The info about the tubes has available for over a year...go figure!

Imagine, just  for a second that  everything that has come from Steven thru me is all true......now there's a thought!

If I was making this up we would be using yak poo for the core by now Ha!

Im not saying that this is easy..just that we have been told how to make it easier.

I probably sound cynical...Perhaps  it is well understood by some

good hunting!

Lindsay



Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Moab on April 08, 2007, 04:47:08 AM
Lindsay.

I have tested with some tubes. The difference is thay are stable as a rock when compaired to ICs. also one will see ringing "Echos" on the scope. ICs dont do this.
The only ringing will be from the coils, But when both tube and coil ring, Well it sure makes pretty marks on my scope, one Question is, How do any of you see Tubes in SM's coils? there arnt any. so it has to be ICs we have all seen and many have commented on the Bumps within the SM coils. The million dollar question is what are these ICs and how are they put togather.
                                                            Moab




                                                       
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: archon79 on April 08, 2007, 09:47:18 AM
Hey,

Has somebody turned on a light?

I wonder if the tubes my be important too.

It could be that they are also "easier" ..."especially to begin with"
Of course if it does not fit with your idea of "TPU" then it must be wrong ay?

Steven has supplied information and experiences and even some well meant advice.

It is in some ways it is  a tragedy that it is not heeded as was intended ...but  some may see it that  this some sort of silly game.
 

The info about the tubes has available for over a year...go figure!

Imagine, just  for a second that  everything that has come from Steven thru me is all true......now there's a thought!

If I was making this up we would be using yak poo for the core by now Ha!

Im not saying that this is easy..just that we have been told how to make it easier.

I probably sound cynical...Perhaps  it is well understood by some

good hunting!

Lindsay


Lindsay I totally agree that you have been putting some very important info out there directly from SM that seems to be missed/ignored in the swamp of 300 page threads. Thanks for your effort.

For another of SM messages that I feel is important please see
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1910.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1910.0.html)

Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Mannix on April 08, 2007, 10:01:50 AM
Moab,
Exactly!

I was not aware that there were others tubing.

The units in the videos are at least ten years further advanced than we will be when we get a form of control.
Sure some luck may play a part and perhaps somebody will get ss working.Of course eventually we will all have ss units. But I think that the tube rack will still be used for initial tuning.

Its like seeing a video of a modern,refined  vehicle and then being shown how a steam engine operates. Frustrating ?..perhaps.

Most of the videos were not produced to show any body. The only exception is the latest one with uec on it. even that was recorded about 10 years ago.

Tubes, or centre mounted circuits is the clear guidance that he has kindly provided.

Lindsay


Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingredient for a working TPU
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 08, 2007, 09:04:31 PM
@Mannix- Good to see you and hope things are going well. I agree with you about the tube .  The tube resonates and has great capacitance, in this what i mean is in all coil formulas is the capacitance factor. in SM tpu the capacitors work 2 different ways (sm's patent-the wire length is equal to the magnitude) so first the capacitor is used to fine tune the coil - then used to fire the C-coils. i still feel the steel ring used in all the TPU's has an air gap used to control this capacitance. the only one that shows is the larger TPU notice where the fuse clips are connected on the ring. As far as the control circuitry goes there located toward the inside as not to disrupted the magnetic vector Fields the the outside of the TPU. In your mind take 2 donuts and press them together the 2 outside mag-vector rings start to intersect the electrons in this area float here on the outside of the wire in the gap areas. When they reach the air gap then it is taped in to usable current (tension) just my thought Mike 
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: innovation_station on April 08, 2007, 10:16:44 PM
i have a question did turbo use tubes in his units ?

i can answer that

no he did not
also im verry sure this can be built many many ways

i think i missed somthing here

humm...
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Moab on April 08, 2007, 10:50:14 PM
I.S.t.
Please go to this thread and read the Convo between Marco\Turbo and Stefan, You will see that it was "Direct induction from an 800,Ah battery" The turbo devise has got nothing what so ever to do with an SM type devise...... ZIP,nada, Neiet,0. GooseEgg.




http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1761.msg20614
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: innovation_station on April 08, 2007, 11:11:20 PM
 ;)



Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Moab on April 09, 2007, 12:41:35 AM
800 Ah battery is what one would use to start a car. And there is a hell of a big difference between collecting and stacking kicks from a 9V battery to generaite useable power in a TPU type devise, and Direct induction from a 12v car battery. The key words here being  Direct Induction. Nothing new about that. And deffinately no New "key ingrediant for a working TPU" as the thread suguest. Sorry for being off topic. I'm done with the Turbo coil here. read all 147 pages of that thread. it went nowhare. imo. thats my .02  And i would like nothing more than to be proven wrong. ;)                                         
                                               Moab
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: IronHead on April 09, 2007, 01:05:40 AM
I have one and yes  "huge"! Its 24 volt but..
935Ah at 24 volt . dimensions 31" x 13" x 31" high ,about
I think is about 1200 pounds
Its made by Crown

Just thought I might give you a size on what you would be talking about at that amp hour rating.

So its  seems you really talking about cold cranking amps not amp hours:)
About the size of a car battery 600 to 800 CCA at 55 to 85 Ah.

Sorry. I just has to get at least one post in today :)
IronHead
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: innovation_station on April 09, 2007, 01:47:44 AM
the most important stuff in that thred can be found on the first few pages

 

is

Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Grumpy on April 09, 2007, 10:56:54 PM
I.S.t.
Please go to this thread and read the Convo between Marco\Turbo and Stefan, You will see that it was "Direct induction from an 800,Ah battery" The turbo devise has got nothing what so ever to do with an SM type devise...... ZIP,nada, Neiet,0. GooseEgg.




http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1761.msg20614

How did you come to this conclusion?

I only see a 9vdc battery here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg18738.html#msg18738
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 05:19:45 AM
  ;)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Grumpy on April 10, 2007, 05:41:29 AM
Alas, "turbo" remains silent. (as do many others)

RE is good in any flavor - well, most flavors anyway.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Moab on April 10, 2007, 05:57:14 AM
I.S.t.
Please go to this thread and read the Convo between Marco\Turbo and Stefan, You will see that it was "Direct induction from an 800,Ah battery" The turbo devise has got nothing what so ever to do with an SM type devise...... ZIP,nada, Neiet,0. GooseEgg.




http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1761.msg20614




How did you come to this conclusion?

I only see a 9vdc battery here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg18738.html#msg18738

>marco1977 wrote:
>>in both cases the power came of a 800 Ah source.

>>
>
>Do you mean a 12 Volt battery with 800 Ah capacity ?
>
>What power level did it put out into the transmitter ? ( Volts x amps)
>
>
>
>>just my way of showing im not giving up and sharing results.....which i know now is not always appreciated.
>>
>
>
>Okay, that is very much appreciated.
>Many thanks for clearing this up.
>
>Yes, it might have helped to
>get a few more people to do experiments
>like me ! Wink

yes, you see i worked in a garage and one day there was one new huge battery left over.

the guy that runs the company had computer problems so i fixed it.

he gave me this battery, i filled it up with very much acid, charged it and it's very usefull in my experiments.

marco

end quote.


Had to do with this statement.. How do you read it?
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 06:01:02 AM


ist

 
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Grumpy on April 10, 2007, 03:56:12 PM
I read it as BS. 

No mention of a battery in the intial posts, just simple explanation of a ring and a lgith bulb glowing.  Turbo was BS'ing about the stack of button batteries too.

Doesn't matter, he ain't talkin'.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 04:59:02 PM
@ grumpy   he dont want to talk to me eather  mabe you do? do you know where i can find an email based fourm in this feild regarding magnetic motors


ist
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Grumpy on April 10, 2007, 06:33:31 PM
Do a search for "muller motor".
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 06:40:31 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: nickc44 on April 27, 2007, 03:26:53 AM
Hi gang,
like the site and the work
It sounds like Steven likes your ring setup so far
is that true

Nick
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: giantkiller on April 27, 2007, 05:05:07 AM
Do a search for "muller motor".

Carmen told me 2 weeks ago to post the goolge video post. I did. She is posting her dads videos. They tell alot. Listen. It is truly amazing.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: gn0stik on April 27, 2007, 04:22:44 PM
Turbo's device was a Tesla MT receiver. The transmitter was powered. I don't know where the battery information came from, as I haven't read the whole thread.

As to it being.... completely irrelevant.

The first Kudos that SM gave to anyone, was Tao. In fact, he said "I think he's got it, do you think he knows it" (para)

Now, Tao wasn't saying that SM's device was an MT receiver; more, that it had something to do with abruptly starting and stopping current flow, as talked about in the vassilatos papers, which produces radiant cold electricity (or hot depending on variables).

Turbo was exploring the MT angle. He was going to see if he could integrate the xmitter and receiver in one device. I don't know if anything ever came of it.

However. the fact that he achieved wireless power transmission in those amounts tesla style is INCREDIBLE, in and of itself, even if it IS unrelated to SM's work.

That's the thing that people missed in the whole fiasco. By the way, did anyone see his dancing magnets video, or the tpu stacking videos also done by marco? He showed frequency excites magnetism, and the stacking of rings effects power output.

Two more tidbits that have been proven experimentally today that nobody uses (typically anyway).

Marcos done some nice work here folks. His biggest sin is that he doesn't document setups on paper very well for the rest of us.

So.. yeah.

I'm not sure what my point was.... Or if I had one.

Regards,
Rich

Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Dingus Mungus on July 03, 2007, 06:43:41 AM
The first Kudos that SM gave to anyone, was Tao. In fact, he said "I think he's got it, do you think he knows it" (para)

Wasn't that someone claiming to be in contact with SM?
As I remember it, no one was sure who was who at the time.
The turbo account was an alternate even... Think about it.
I'm still skeptical about anyone claiming to be in contact with SM.

My point is I think everyone doing their own critical thinking and prototypes has been working out to many people claiming positive results. Most of those prototypes have been either proven as frauds or replicated without any positive results, but the ones that haven't are our best bet. Chosing just one and hanging on the every word of a single person could lead to just another 200+ pages of dribble and rants.

~Dingus Mungus
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 03, 2007, 07:30:44 AM
that was Tao and he was not in contact with Steven.

M.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: CTG Labs on July 03, 2007, 01:59:32 PM
Dingus,

If you are in doubt of anyone being in contact with SM then you have to forget EVERYTHING to this point.

The only person claiming to be in contact with SM is Lindsay Mannix and all the info we have and have been working with has come from Lindsay.

The reference made confirming Tao's theory came from SM via Lindsay.  To my knowledge no one else has been, or has made claims of, being in touch with SM.


D.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 03, 2007, 07:11:31 PM
GK recieved one email as my memory serves me right.

M.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Grumpy on July 03, 2007, 08:21:39 PM
GK recieved one email as my memory serves me right.

M.

He (GK) probably made a smart-ass remark and pissed him off...LOL!

SM stated that FreedomFuel and Bushwacker made relevant point, but did not state what those points were.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 03, 2007, 08:41:26 PM
yes, Grumpy you are right.
Do you happen to know what these relevant points were?

M.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 03, 2007, 09:16:50 PM
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on February 10, 2006, 08:32:06 PM
________________________________________
A thanks to Lindsey for giving us the opportunity to share his correspondence with Steve Marks.  I consider it a privilege to be able to share ideas with someone who has made such a remarkable achievement. 

One of the things that impressed me about the video of the demonstration was SM?s statement that the source of the energy for his device was the Earth?s magnetic field.  This must sound implausible to anyone not acquainted with Tesla?s work.  If you want to gain the confidence of investors surely it would be better to give them some BS about zero point energy?  I must confess that when I first read about the Earth?s magnetic field as a source of energy in connection with the Hendersholt device the idea seemed so ridiculous that I dismissed Hendersholt as a crank.  Recently I was compelled to give the idea some serious consideration when I read a testimony from one of the Disclosure Project insiders who claimed to have worked on a project that involved using electromagnetic devices to extract energy from the Earth?s magnetic field.  The real clincher for me was reading a declassified document by Wilbert Smith, a Canadian government engineer active in the 1950s.  You can read it here: http://www.presidentialufo.com/top_secret_text.htm .  In this top secret memo Smith outlines the areas of study for a project to develop a new magnetic technology using energy from the Earth?s magnetic field and using clues from crashed UFOs.   What makes this disclosure so sensational is that the fact that the Earth?s magnetic field as a source of energy has been one of the most zealously guarded secrets of the 20th century yet here it is acknowledged by a person in a position of authority.  Even today you will not read of this fact on the Internet or in fringe publications. Instead, all the so called experts on free energy like Bearden,  Puthoff, and Lindermann go on about ZPE or aether without being able to produce a workable device to back up their ideas.

I would like to discuss some ideas put forward by SM and others on how the geomagnetic field can be a source of energy.  In the January 31st letter SM talks about the Earth generating electricity through it?s rotation but this is not how I understand the dynamo theory of the geomagnetic field.   This theory explains the existence of the geomagnetic field as being caused by the Earth?s metallic core having a current induced in it by motion through the Suns? magnetic field which in turn creates a magnetic field around the Earth whose poles roughly coincide with the axis of rotation.  There is said to be electricity generated in the atmosphere when the electrically neutral solar wind, consisting of protons and electron meets the geomagnetic field and positive and negative charges experience a force perpendicular to the field lines so that an electric current flows around the equator.  I have my doubts about both theories.   According to physicist Bibhas De the magnetic field has mass and inertia making it like a fluid.  Thus the Earth?s rotation causes it?s magnetic field to spiral round as in a vortex.  This magnetic vortex could be regarded as a wound spring that stores the kinetic energy of the Earth?s rotation.  I am 99% confident that the following explanation of how the geomagnetic field can be source of energy is true and is known by people in authority.  It isn?t taught in our schools because the implications are pretty scary!  Evidence is mounting that the source of the Sun?s energy is it?s magnetic field, that there are a multitude of magnetic poles on the Sun and that spiral magnetic waves from these poles heat the exterior atmosphere of the Sun.  As there is no nuclear fusion in the core of the Sun it means that there is a lot less EM radiation directly reaching the Earth than our scientists believe.  What does reach the Earth is packets of magnetic energy ranging from subatomic size particles to UFO size balls of light.  These are somehow transmuted into heat, light and other EM radiation when they reach our atmosphere.  There is so much of this solar energy stored in the geomagnetic field in the ionosphere that it could replace our entire current fossil and nuclear fuel needs many times over without unbalancing the ecosphere.

The only self-running free energy devices known to work, work on the same principle as the Roschin and Godin version of the SEG. (See http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/godin-roschin.htm).  My interpretation of how they access this magnetic energy as follows.  These devices use magnet assemblies that rotate around a vertical axis to create a vortex magnetic field, which extends as a beam into the ionosphere, where it collects magnetic particles, and is reflected back to the device in an amplified form.  My original interpretation of the Steve Marks device was as a variation of this type. In the letter of the second January 31st post SM writes of combining out of phase AC sources in a transformer and observing anomalous high energy spikes.  From these remarks I deduced that in his device the two coils wound around the torroid are fed with out of phase AC and their magnetic fields experience both constructive and destructive interference so that the resulting magnetic field rotates with an angular velocity that is controlled by the phase shift and frequency of the applied AC.  In order to clarify what is happening it might help to imagine the changing magnetic field around a straight wire caused by AC.  Then we could imagine the combined magnetic field when there is another straight conductor fed with AC parallel to it.  Perhaps it would be helpful to model the device as a transmission line.  The animated gif in the archive of the SM device does show a rotating magnetic field but it appears to be created by switching DC through segments of the coil.  I wonder if SM can confirm that the magnetic field of the actual device does rotate as shown in the animation.

Stefan has speculated why the device still functions when it is turned over at 90 degrees but not when it is turned 180 degrees.  I suggest that when turned at 90 degrees it still bounces a signal off the ionosphere, although obliquely.  When turned over 180 degrees the magnetic vortex would be turning in the wrong direction and the device would not function.  In order to confirm this hypothesis it would be helpful if someone could confirm that the Adams motor only achieves resonance when turned in one direction.

I have read reports from other experimenters who have observed that transient spikes are associated with overunity but I did not take it seriously until I read SM?s letters.  M Charley has posted plans for an overunity battery charger that exploits the very transients that engineers normally try to filter out.  You can see the SEBCAR project here: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:SEBCAR.  You can read Lindsey Mannix?s comments on the project here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sebcar/message/186 .  Could these transients be evidence of the connection between electricity and the geomagnetic field, and has anyone done any research into their origin?

Finally is the output of the SM device electricity?  There have been other free energy devices like the Testatika and Floyd Sweet device whose output was ?cold electricity? or magnetic current as it could more accurately be called.  A peculiar property of this magnetic current is that it makes a bright flash of light when there is a short circuit.  The demonstration of the SM device in the video does show a bright flash of light when SM makes a short circuit but it has a flame like quality.  Is this a normal feature of high voltage, high frequency?  Where does this RF component come from?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 03, 2007, 09:17:32 PM
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on February 15, 2006, 07:06:42 PM
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There should be no mystery about the magnetic pulse from nuclear explosions that destroys electronics.  This is simply due to charges being ejected radially from the centre of the explosion creating a spherical magnetic wave that is both a scalar potential wave with a longitudinal component in the direction of propagation.  See the paper by Monstein and Wesley.

The exploding TV set sounds like a ball lightning explosion to me.  I imagine that ball lightning is a spinning magnetic torus at whose poles field lines converge into vortices.  Since the torus has a vertical axis the funnel like vortices extend into the earth and up to the ionosphere.  Such a vortex would act like a water going down a plug hole and pull magnetic energy from the geomagntic field at this high altitude.  I believe that the vortex is said to be implosive because it creates a centripedal force that pulls objects into it's centre, thus accounting for metal objects being pulled towards the TV set.  I believe that Tornados recieve most of their energy from the geomagnetic field in the same way as ball lightning rather than colliding warm and cool air currents as the textbooks teach.  I must say the prospect of the public being given access to the source of energy that powers tornados is rather worrying, especially in the light of exploding TVs!  Lets hope that the Adams motor, if it is ever finished, is no more likely to explode than the average TV set.

I have worked it out on paper and I have concluded that Stephan is right when he proposed that if one had a coil divided into four segments and supplied each with AC phase advanced by 90 degrees consequetively then you would indeed obtain a rotating magnetic field as shown in the animated giff: http://harti.com/coil/toroid_gen.gif .  All four coils would have windings in the same direction and there would always two north poles and two south poles opposed to each other so that the field lines would extend outside the coil. The magnetic field would not move smoothly but would pulse on and off as it rotates.  One could minimise the discontinuities in the field by using eight, sixteen, thirty two etc coils.  The SM video does show a coil bursting into life when a permanent magnet is placed on it, so does this mean that the device always needs to have magnets attached to it to function?

What I have described above is a straight forward engineering task but judging by SM's comments setting up the control unit is a black art that involves close attention to the waveforms on the scope.  I don't yet fully understand what he has written in his last letter but I get the impression that the rotating magnetic field he detected using a compass is not actually engineered into the device but is an accidental result of superimposing waveforms.  This would make the device hideously difficult to reproduce which maybe is just as well.


Not_a_mib is right when he says of such devices that there is a 'Changing the physical constants of the space, such as lightspeed, permittivity, and permeability', 'zero net heat production or absorption, and 'weight loss'. These are all properties of vortex magnetic fields.  Such fields account for 'cold fusion' being able to overcome the coulomb barrier and the cooling of air around vortical storms like hurricans and tornados.  They really are recycling ambient heat for an energy gain.

Another interesting possibility we should examine is the peculiar basketweave coil winding in the Hendershot device.  In principle this could act in the same way as the windings of the cadeuceus coil.  Assuming the the radial magnetic field around the conductors in these coils moves with the currents then where wires cross at right angles there would be interference between these moving magnetic filds which either could produce constructive and destructive interference making a moire type pattern or else there would be vortices produced at the intersection of the wires.  Maybe someone should try an air coiled torroid with a cadeuceus winding and a bifalr secondary to collect magnetic current.



Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 03, 2007, 09:19:36 PM
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on February 19, 2006, 08:49:47 PM
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I can understand Steven's dissapointment at the feedback he has received from this forum, but all I can say in my defence is that it will take some time to absorbe the information provided because much of this is new to to me. Although it may seem as if I am not putting this information to good use I can assure him that what I have read so far has been a revelation and I hope that he continues to share his ideas and experience with us.

I did not consult the textbboks referred to because I expected that these were engineering texts that would not discuss the physics of what is happening in any detail.  I did know about the current surge in thermionic valves when they are first switched on but I never gave it much thought untill I read Steve's letters.  Now I suspect it may be the same phenomenon used in the Correa's PAGD tube.

There are parallels between the SM device and RM Santilli's 'Magnegas'.  Magnegas ought to be the first overunity product available to the public but after ten years we still cannot fuel our cars with fuel made from water among other things.  Apart from the machinations of the oil companies progress is held up by the scepticism of potential investors because Magnegas seems to defy the law of physics as they are presently understood.  From the sceptics point of view the onus ought to be on advocates of overunity to provide information that could be used to  experimentaly verify the reality of the phenomenon.  However Santilli is a scientist and he has presented experimental data that could enable others to verify the reality of 'magnecules' by repeating his experiments.  There are other experiments published by Professor Kanerev and the cold fusion guys that ought to prove the reality of overunity.  So, why cannot SM follow their example by publishing information about his research in an engineering journal without actually giving away propriety information?

I think that Kosh has really hit the nail on the head with the Electrical Soliton Oscillator.  The URLs are here:

http://people.deas.harvard.edu/ ~donhee/MTT_2006_Ricketts_Li_Ham.pdf
http://people.deas.harvard.edu/~donhee/so_ims.pdf

The concept of the Soliton derived from the observation that a single wave in water would sustain the same velocity and wavelength in a channel where it narrowed, contrary to expectations.  This is what is meant by non-linear.  Perhaps a non linear transmission line could be an acoustic horn for instance.  In the example of the Electrical Soliton Oscillator (ESO) non linearity in impedance is provided by inserting varacters in an electrical transmission line.  An amplifier with non linear transfer characteristics starts the oscillation by amplifying background noise untill a train of unidirectional voltage pulses are transmitted along the line.  These are fed back to the input to make a self sustaining closed loop with the amplifier making up for losses in the line.  Some interesting characteristics of the ESO is that the frequency of the pulses is dependant on their amplitude and that pulses of different amplitude and frequency can collide.  Also various modes are available depending on the frequency of the pulses and the diameter of the circular transmission line.

This does sound very much like SMs accounts of how his device functions.  The torroid should be regarded as a two wire transmission line formed into a coil although I cannot see how it could have non linear impedance along it's length.  Maybe the core material provides non-linearity.  The rotating magnetic field can easily be explained by the fact that only short sections of the core are magnetised at one time so that field lines curve back through the space outside the coil.  The difficult thing to understand is how the SM device achieves overunity when the ESO does not.  Could permanent magnets in combination with the coil be the key to providing overunity?

Much of what I have written may seem like irrelevant theoretical ramblings but I do believe that I have provided a coherent explanation for all overunity phenomenon including those exploited by the SM device.  This kick that is supposed to occur when a current is first drawn through a conductor could be explained by the momentary bunching up of electrons in conductors in a torroidal formation like Ken Shoulder's charge clusters. Such an electronic vortice could bounce a signal off the ionosphere as I have explained previously.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 03, 2007, 09:21:05 PM
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on February 19, 2006, 09:15:10 PM
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OK, before I learn how to use an oscilloscope there is no harm in trying to understand the physics behind overunity which in my opinion is derived entirely from the Earth's magnetic field. 

My hypothesis is that the Earth's magnetic field is energised in the ionosphere by a source of magnetism from the Sun.  In other words it is a form of solar energy available 24/7.  Oddly enough a US government agency has provided graphic proof that the Earth is receiving packets of magnetic energy from the Sun by providing video footage of the so called 'NASA UFOs' for the public.  What is shown in the videos are shots of spinning balls of light swarming around both Soviet and NASA spacecraft.  One particularly memorable shot was taken from a satellite looking down at the Earth with these balls of light showering down into the atmosphere where they disappeared with a flash of light.  Do a Google search for 'Secret NASA Transmissions' to find a source of the videos.  It is worth buying a legitimate copy in order to get a good view of the phenomenon rather than using Bittorrent.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 03, 2007, 09:21:39 PM
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on March 01, 2006, 05:58:56 PM
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Hi Folks

I have been reviewing your replies and giving this some thought in the meantime.  Here are my conclusions so far.

According to Steve his device depends on a phenomenon that occurs when a current is first caused to flow in a conductor.  At this instant there is excess energy in the form of a ?kick? derived from the Earth?s magnetic field.  This ?kick? is not defined but it has been assumed that it is either a mechanical force (Lindsay) or an excess voltage (Kames).  According to Steve this phenomenon is ?common scientific knowledge? but I have never seen it referred to in mainstream scientific literature and neither have Kames or Stefan who are both science graduates.  However, it could be one of those Tesla discoveries that they don?t want you to know about.  Elvis Oswald may be on the right track when he suggested that this ?kick? may be the phenomenon exploited in Tesla?s ?cold electricity? experiments and single wire transmission of electricity proposal.  These developed from the observation that when high tension DC supplies were first connected to the grid there would sometimes be a luminous energetic discharge at the switch.  I refer you to a paper by C.P. Kouropoulos titled Classically Bound Electrons - EV?s, Exotic Chemistry, and ?Cold Electricity? obtainable here: http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/ Research/ColdElectricity.pdf . Kouropoulos develops further Tesla?s hypothesis that at the instant that a current flows there is a bunching of electrons.  According to Kouropoulos electrons can overcome coulomb repulsion and bind together by short range magnetic forces when their spins are opposed.  He also suggests that at the instant when a current is initiated such electron strings can form into spinning torroid formations close to the surface of conductors which decay leaving a vortex magnetic field.  Such electronic vortices are said to be found in the leading edge of simple electric sparks and according to Patrick Kelly at  http://www.geocities.com/captpjk/ Tesla was the first to discover that the electric spark receives energy from the Earth?s magnetic field.  But is this ?kick? something you can measure with an oscilloscope?  It seems to me that what is being received from the Earth?s magnetic field is not electricity but a form of magnetic current which may not register on an oscilloscope. 

Steve also refers to experiments where transients were generated when two out of phase AC sources are supplied to separate windings on a transformer and the combination of such transients may create a discernible magnified spike displayed on an oscilloscope but I wonder how this is connected with the phenomenon outlined above?  Are these transients induced in the transformer core by the rapid build-up and decay of a magnetic field, and if so how could this be a factor in the SM device with it?s air cored coil? Only experiment can tell.

There has been some speculation by Conwy and Stephan that the coil is divided into segments fed with phase shifted AC in order to create a rotating magnetic wave as in the Mollinez patent.  From Steve?s own comments and other sources it would seem more likely that the coil is a twin wire transmission line fed with unidirectional DC pulses from an amplifier that are regenerated at it?s input.  Kosh suggested that the device is related to the Electrical Soliton Oscillator shown here: http://people.deas.harvard.edu/~donhee/MTT_2006_Ricketts_Li_Ham.pdf .  I have searched the internet but I have not been able to find a reference to a non-soliton pulse oscillator using a linear transmission line so I assume that Kosh is probably right on this one.  Further support for Kosh?s suggestion comes from Steve himself when he noted that a compass needle would turn inside the coil and would accelerate after the device was activated.  Since the velocity of solitons is related to their amplitude I would expect that as the amplitude of each pulse increases with each circuit of the coil so would it?s velocity.  Also Steve wrote of the coil exhibiting modes depending on the relation between the distance between pulses and the coil circumference, and that multiple modes were possible at the same time as described in the Ricketts, Li, DePetro and Ham paper above.  A question that remains to be answered is in what way is the coil in the SM device non-linear.  Could there be varactors connected at intervals along the TL?  You might like to study this guide to Solitons and NLTLs for beginners: Solitons On a Nonlinear Transmission-line ( http://wug.physics.uiuc.edu/courses/phys303/303Exp/Soliton/Soliton.pdf ). This paper includes an introduction to simplified maths for Solitons with suggestions for experiments you could do.

According to the Ricketts, Li, DePetro and Ham paper above ?background noise? generated inside the ESO?s amplifier provides transients that develop into soliton waves.  Such transients in this ?background noise? could be derived from the environment such as lightning or cosmic rays but this ambient energy hardly makes the device overunity since the amplifier is required to compensate for system losses.  Nether the less, Steve insists that all that is require is to combine these transients to obtain energy from the geomagnetic field.  It seems to me that Steve knows more about his device than he is prepared to disclose, which is understandable really.  For instance why do the pulses have to circulate in the coil? Why are magnets attached to the coil? Why does the coil have an air core? Why does the coil not work when turned over?  In Kames excellent post of February 26 everything is coming together with some answers to these questions.  He points out that if a ferromagnetic core had been used the magnetic field induced in the coil by the DC pulses would be confined inside the core and the device could not interact with the environment.  With an air core only a sector of the coil containing a pulse would have a magnetic field induced in it making it like a virtual magnet rotating in a plane perpendicular to the coil?s axis.  The field lines of this virtual magnet would link it?s north and south poles in the space outside the coil.  If you accept Bibhas De?s proposition that magnetic field has mass then it would be subject to fluid dynamics and the resulting rotating magnetic field would form into a funnel-like vortex.  I know that this may sound presumptuous coming from someone who does not know how to use an oscilloscope but IMO it is this vortex that is collecting energy from the geomagnetic field rather than voltage spikes themselves.  Since there is no geomagnetic energy at ground level this spiral magnetic wave would have to reach high above the Earth?s surface but it cannot do so because it?s field would diminish with the square of the distance.  The magnets remedy this by breaking up this spiralling magnetic wave into pulses so that they cannot diverge.  The resulting laser-like magnetic beam shoots up 100km or so into the ionosphere and creates a track for the collection of magnetic particles that Tesla called ?neutrons?.  By ?neutrons? Tesla meant not the neutrons of modern science but rather magnetic particles of neutral polarity.  Check out the Mikell device at: http://www.fdp.nu/mikelldevice/thedevice.asp which also utilises a rotating magnetic field and magnet pulsing.  Learn the principles embodied in this device because it explains EVERYTHING; cold fusion, browns gas, pulse motors, discharge tubes, etc.  Don?t build a full size version of one of these because they are dangerous according Von Braun (http://groups.msn.com/VonBraunPhyiscs/).

Kames has some interesting ideas about how a secondary coil could collect energy from the TL.  I would expect that as current is drawn from the secondary the TL would become loaded and the amplitude of the pulses would diminish.  I would also expect that there would be feedback from the amplifier?s output to control the input bias and to prevent clipping of the pulses and their break-up and disorder.

Sorry for such a long post!

Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 03, 2007, 09:23:30 PM
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on March 05, 2006, 08:18:07 PM
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Quote from: hartiberlin on March 01, 2006, 06:37:41 PM
What is the simplest experiment to see this 'kick' on a scope, so one can measure it ?

Probably not with an osilloscope.  The phenomenon, if it exists, would only be discernible at voltages in the hundreds of thousands of volts range and it would not register as a voltage spike.  It is excess energy but not in the form of an increased current.  Rather, one should regard it as a burst of magnetic current flowing outside the conductor.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 03, 2007, 09:23:12 PM
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on March 05, 2006, 08:57:51 PM
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Quote from: Mannix on March 04, 2006, 12:59:16 AM

Dear Lindsay,
I am perplexed that everyone thinks that GOOGLE is an accredited reference source.
It is NOT.
Google is a search engine. It is different then a reference library.
And it is very different then a SCIENCE LIBRARY.
NO accredited scientist does any serious reference work sitting at home with GOOGLE.
Google is comprised of information specifically put into in by interested parties.
No scientific information placed there by libraries.
People need to realize this before they die from lack of serious information.
Go to a library!
Sincerely,
SM

I appreciate the haphazard nature of information gathering using search engines, but not all of us have access to a university science library.  There are sites that do have indexed science periodical and book collections like this one:

The Internet Public Library
http://www.ipl.org

Here is their URL for their energy science journals:
http://www.ipl.org/div/serials/browse/sci14.00.00/

Also Try Energy Science and Technology Virtual Library
http://www.osti.gov/energyfiles/

Physics Research Guide
http://www.lib.utah.edu/ResGuides/physics.html#ejournals

The British Library has an online index here but you have to attend their reading rooms to view the journals.  They also have an online bookstore:
http://www.bl.uk/index.shtml

There are several online science libraries that require an annual subscription.  This one only costs $30:

Science Direct
http://www.sciencedirect.com/

Or there is this completely free online science library with 919 journals and 1,213.606 full-text articles.

Highwire Press - Stanford University
http://highwire.stanford.edu/

Full text Physics articles are available here:

IoP - Electronic Journals
http://www.iop.org/EJ/

The best internet library is this site which has 35 million pages from 3000 sources going back 20 years.  The sources include academic journals, newspapers, books, encyclopedias, etc.  Subscription of $100 a year is required for full text access.

Highbeam Research
http://www.highbeam.com/browse

I could go on and on but I am not sure how useful these resources are when you consider that the subject we are researching is not allowed to enter the science mainstream because all the research is classified.  However, I have been able to glean a some insight from recent research into natural phenomenon like ball lightning, solar magnetic waves and atmosphere physics in general.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 03, 2007, 09:24:10 PM
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on March 05, 2006, 09:00:21 PM
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Quote from: Mannix on March 04, 2006, 01:07:39 AM

 
YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER,   THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY?

Possibly the same reason why tornados turn in one direction in the north hemisphere and in the opposite direction in the southern hemisphere
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 03, 2007, 09:24:56 PM
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on March 06, 2006, 07:29:02 PM
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I feel that this thread is going nowhere because it seems to be just a guessing game.  Also, some of the posts are so incoherent that they do not add anything to our understanding.  In my opinion the post number 138 by Kames was an adequate summation of what we had deducted so far, and my post number 152 was my final conclusion based on my own and others contributions to date.  Beyond this all that can be done is to test hypothesis with experiments or to discover research by professional scientists which could be relevant.  Steve says that the phenomenon of excess energy from the geomagnetic field at the instant a current flows is 'common scientific knowledge'.  Now, the fact that the geomagnetic field is a source of (almost) free energy has been one of the most closely guarded secrets of the 20th century and the suppression of this knowledge has been so thorough and ruthless that it is even hidden from the public on the internet.  Well, almost hidden, because there is one website which goes into the subject in some detail but the authorities have tried to close it down twice and the authors can only escape censorship by encouraging their supporters to host the site on other servers. Given this level of suppression I would not expect to see the slightest hint of this phenomenon in mainstream scientific literature.  After all, it does mean the end of a big chunk of the energy sector of the world economy along with the NWO.

I think that it is mistake to think that you can reverse engineer the SM device from the information provided so far.  From the examples of work done trying to reproduce the Sear Effect Generator and the Ed Gray motor it seems that success depends on providing a fair bit of your own creative input rather than trying to use the inventor's own statements and patents as an infallible guide.  Therefore if someone does build a working energy coil it will be unique and different from the SM device.  For that reason we should not exclude ideas like the Electric Soliton Oscillator just because there is no evidence that the SM device incorporates these principles.  For all we know the ESO maybe a better solution than the one developed by Steve because it may resolve the instability and overheating issues he described.

This is something that could change the course of history so it would be criminal not to make use of the information provided by Steve and others. The time has now arrived to stop talking and start experimenting.  Since there is no published literature on the subject the electronics hobbyist would be at no disadvantage compared to the professional engineer.  Just be open to experience and don't ignore things that do not conform to theory.

A good place to start with experiments is this beginners guide to Solitons and NLTLs

http://wug.physics.uiuc.edu/courses/phys303/303Exp/Soliton/Soliton.pdf

Here is some simple maths and suggestions for experiments using only a function generator and oscilloscope.  Don't have any equipment?  Try using an old PC as a function generator and oscilloscope.  Here are some links that tell you how.

True RTA Audio Spectrum Ananlyser
http://www.trueaudio.com/rta_abt1.htm
 
Scope2k4
http://home.planet.nl/~m.f.hajer/scope2k.htm

Oscilliscope For Windows
http://polly.phys.msu.su/~zeld/oscill.html
 
Free PC Function Generator Usinfg Sound Card
http://www.marchandelec.com/fg.html

Let's have some ideas about how we could generate transients as explained by Steve.  He said something about feeding two coils on a transformer with out of phase AC in order to make 'hash'. Can anyone suggest experiments to demonstrate this?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 03, 2007, 09:25:31 PM
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on March 30, 2006, 07:07:21 PM
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The quotation by Kosh on the 20th March may have been from the valve amplifier manual but clearly what is being described is not overunity.  All that it explains is how filaments in valves can experience mechanical damage at the moment that current is first applied. I know that this may seem presumptious comming from someone with little technical experience but I think that all this discussion about a so called 'kick' is leading us nowhere.  I am not convinced that this kick, whatever it is, is the mechanism by which energy is extracted from the earth's magnetic field and I do not accept Steven's comments on the subject as being authoritive.  He maybe right or he may not really understand how his device really works.

What is clear from his letters to Lindsay is that he is generating  a train of transients so we should get some textbooks to learn more about electrical transients and in what way they are influenced by the environment.  Are they made by thermal noise in semiconductor junctions, background cosmic microwave radiation or lightning for instance?  In my opinion the transients cannot add up to provide sufficient overunity to supply one killowatt from a coil.  Rather the fundemental principle at work here could be that illustrated by the Mikell device, ie a pulsed vortex magnetic field beamed into the ionosphere.  The same principle that is at work with the Adams motor for instance.

Maybe we should accept that the so called 'kick' is just a 'red herring' as we say in England.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 03, 2007, 09:25:48 PM
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on April 13, 2006, 05:40:48 PM
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On March the 20th Kosh may have quoted the valve textbook when he wrote about how mechanical damage occurs to filaments of valves due to a reaction force being developed between the current and the Earth?s magnetic field.  This is hardly overunity as the energy is supplied by the current source and not the Earth?s magnetic field.  Energy can be supplied by the Earth?s magnetic field but in this example I believe that it  cannot be explained by standard electrical engineering theory involving cutting lines of flux.  Rather the Earth?s magnetic field should be seen as mediating in the exchange of energy between the Earth and the Sun.  I have concluded that the Earth does not directly receive much EM radiation from the Sun, but rather packets of magnetic energy in the form of source free magnetic vortices are trapped by the Earth's magnetic field which acts as a vast solar energy collector.  How light, heat and other EM radiation could be formed can be demonstrated by considering the luminous effects that occur when UFOs take off.  UFOs utilize counter rotating magnet assemblies like the Mikell device and as these spin faster a range of colours is seen culminating in white.  In fact the whole spectrum of EM radiation is emitted as air atoms are ionized and excited.  Once they observed this the black project scientists understood how the Sun really generates EM radiation - not from nuclear fusion but rather from turbulence in it's magnetic field interacting with it's atmosphere.  In support of this hypothesis is the fact that the planets with considerable magnetic fields also have luminous atmospheres.  The Sun has the most powerful magnetic field and also the most luminous atmosphere.

The hypothesis I have put forward at this forum is that free energy devices pump the ionosphere until a resonance is achieved with a magnetic vortex directing these magnetic particles back to the device as a magnetic current or 'cold electricity'.  The curious thing about the Mark device is that it appears to output RF current judging by the flame like discharge made by a short circuit shown in the video.  This suggests that there is more than one way of extracting energy from the ionosphere.  You ought to carefully study this paper that puts forward the hypothesis that it is possible to pump the ionophere with verticaly reflecting antennas to obtain RF energy:

RF Energy via Solar/Ionospheric Resonance
http://home.netcom.com/~sbyers11/RFenergy_iono.htm

Byers has put forward the hypothesis that the ionosphere acts as a massive solar energy collector which can be stimulated with RF emissions to reflect energy back to a transmitter using a technique similar to Masers.  Atoms in the ionosphere are ionized by solar UV photons and put into a higher higher energy state which represents stored solar energy.  He proposes a system whereby a source of RF energy can be amplified by the stimulated emission of photons of the same frequency and phase as the source as these excited atoms drop to lower energy levels.  Since the ionosphere reflects radio waves there would be a frequency at which standing waves would developed inside this resonant cavity and feedback would lead to amplified coherent radiation within it.  The flaw with this proposal is that the frequency of the hyperfine structure of air atoms would be in the gighertz range which would require a cavity much smaller than that between the Earth and the ionosphere.  However, Byers does support his hypothesis with a spectrum analyzer graph of an ionosounding test which shows a resonance at 5.456 Mhz with a broad sholder of stimulated emissins from 5.3 Mhz to 6 Mhz.

Another paper worth studying is this one from the Swedish Institiute Of Space Physics:

Stimulated Electromagnetic Emissions
http://www.physics.irfu.se/SEE/

This paper describes experiments in which powerful radio transmitters were used to induce turbulence in the ionosphere and study wave-plasma interactions.  The electric field component of the radio wave induces variations in the electron density at intervals of one wavelength resulting in longitudinal waves called Langmuir waves.  Part of the incident wave is reflected back at a higher frequency implying an energy gain since the energy of a wave is proportional to it's frequency.  Here is an interesting quote that may have some relevence to the Mark device:

'The pump waves used in the experiments were circularly polarised and depending on the direction of rotation of the field components, clockwise (ordinary) or anticlockwise (extraordinary) the effect could or could not be observed. This indicated that the magnetic field was an important contributor to the observed scattering effect.'

We know that the Mark device emits a rotating wave because the correct orientation of the coil depends on which hemisphere the device is located at.  This can be explained by the Coriolis effect.  This is the apparant deflection of a moving object in a rotating frame of reference such as, in this case, the Earth's magnetic field.  The analogy might not be valid because the Mark coil does not look much like a radio antenna, but I could be wrong.

Another way in which the Earth's magnetic field could be a source of energy could be connected with the action of solar electrons trapped in the torroidal Van Allen radiation belts.  The Earth's magnetic field bend the paths of charges so that they move perperdiculary to the field lines, i. e. in circles or spirals around the field lines, of which the frequency depends on the charge and the mass of the particle in question. Since these circulating electrons accelerate towards the centre of their motion they emit radio waves called 'cyclotron radiation'  Pump waves corresponding in frequency to this cyclotron radiation electrons tend to further accelerate the gyro motion, just like a forced harmonic oscillator.
I do not know if any of this is really relevant to understanding the Mark device but it may point the way to further research.  Here are some links you may find useful for background reading
:
Magnetic Fields Of the Planets
http://www.es.ucl.ac.uk/research/planetaryweb/undergraduate/dom/magrev/magtoc.htm

Living Reviews In Solar Physics
http://solarphysics.livingreviews.org/

The Sun's Magnetic Field
http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/solarmag.html

Magnetism Is Key To Mystery Of the Sun
http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlkop/magmyst.html

Do magnetic waves heat the solar atmosphere?
http://academic.evergreen.edu/z/zita/talks/2003Portland/03APS.ppt

Mikell Device
http://www.fdp.nu/mikelldevice/thedevice.asp

Magnetic Energy To Heal the Planet
http://www.magneticenergy.co.uk

http://www.geocities.com/magneticdiscoveryclub





Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 03, 2007, 10:23:58 PM
Hmmmm.....

Sounds like he was on the tract that BEP, myself and others have been discussing.

Good confirmation we might be headed in the right direction.

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Grumpy on July 03, 2007, 10:34:32 PM
In summary:

RMF

Boyce has this in his device too, as did MArinov's MAGVID and numerous other devices...

The effects that occur at higher frequencies of rotation - the phase change - the uncurling of the field (which probably pisses it right off) - time dilation - temperature variations - the shearing and skewing of the torison field with the magnetic - make your hair stand on end...

@-[MARCO]-
the three individual segments will produce a varation in phase by their position - much like a great number of poles - might want to fire that one back up with a true mobius core rather than bifilar cancelling...

EDIT:
(more post from Freedomfuel on OUPoer.com)
http://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=124

EDIT:
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:weEsQKEFBioJ:amasci.com/freenrg/tors/tors24.html+rotating+torsion+field&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

Freedomfuel mention some excerpts from Wilbert Smith's "The New Science" which introduces "tempic" fields and their relationship to electric and magnetic fields (Google it).  Tempic is same as torsion and same as scalar terms - they do not cancel out but add.  Some have connected torsion fields to neutrinos, but who knows.  Neutrinos have spin and magnetic moment, but no charge.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:mkuNkF1OB0QJ:amasci.com/freenrg/tors/tors3.html+rotating+torsion+field&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:amG8IUuea_IJ:amasci.com/freenrg/tors/doc17.html+Yurovitsky+magnetic+field+generators&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us



Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: z_p_e on July 04, 2007, 02:43:22 AM
Nice range of posts from Freedomfuel.

I remember reading some of them way back. The guy has a good brain, that's for sure. Too bad he "lost it" at the end though.

Darren
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 04, 2007, 05:14:55 AM

@-[MARCO]-
the three individual segments will produce a varation in phase by their position - much like a great number of poles - might want to fire that one back up with a true mobius core rather than bifilar cancelling...


the coil i am building has no mobius nor bifilar coils.

M.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Grumpy on July 04, 2007, 05:32:21 AM
You da man, Marco!  Light that bird's ass on fire!  Yeah!

No need for mobius or bifilar unless field of collector "interferes" with that of rotation.

Dare I say that "bifilar series" (not cancelling) might make sweet RMF coils since they create a very strong field - sure can't hurt.

$#!+ - probably find antigravity instead of electricity - LOL !!!

EDIT - just for you, Marco: see attached

Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: joe dirt on July 06, 2007, 02:37:07 AM
Quote

the coil i am building has no mobius nor bifilar coils.

M.

Are you thinking a Flux/electric capacitor ? watch the potential energy of a cylindrical
 cap turn into kinetic-induction, maybe?

it would fit with the television story,s (if there was any, i can,t seem to find one) but
 nevertheless rotating an electric field but not discharging it (destroy the dipole) can
 this create a self organising field ? yes,

http://www.mdatechnology.net/outreach/tech_update.aspx?art=3607

 and would fit in with anomalies about the old televisions...

If anybody has a plasma globe try placing a "ring" around it, see if you can make it
 swirl around...

It seems this this guy has the same thoughts

http://home.iprimus.com.au/longhair1/chap10.htm

i don,t have the time right now to read all the posts (more long work days) but this
 site is smoking...
Good Work Gentlemen and Ladies
Dirt
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: giantkiller on July 06, 2007, 06:16:24 AM
Hi all,
I made no smart remarks to SM.  ;)
There was the issue about not touching the ring, the cage, and the permanent damage to his fingers and hands, and the damage control circuit. Mannix replied on this issue also. I showed respect to all, stopped immediately and built the damage control ciruit and the cage. I then replaced the GK4 with a dummy load to test the damage control circuit. I have since rejumpered the coil for sequential rotational firing. I have not turned it on since then. Everything that I tested after that has been frought with danger. ;) It is so easy to do the wrong thing I now have to find the right thing to do.

--giantkiller. With great respect to all...
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 06, 2007, 10:14:19 PM
hi GK
i never understood the cage because Steven did mention it won't work in a small box.
or were you using a diffrent cage with openings in it?

Marco.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: giantkiller on July 07, 2007, 04:49:05 AM
hi GK
i never understood the cage because Steven did mention it won't work in a small box.
or were you using a diffrent cage with openings in it?

Marco.

Only for testing with safety, my friends.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 07, 2007, 05:55:07 AM
i do not undestand..
if you elliminate the effect by using a box then you won't see it right?

M.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Motorcoach1 on July 07, 2007, 10:27:21 AM
@ Marco you can use a box (Farad cage )but the effects will not be as  great or up to power,it will be without it . In the testing stage there are many harmful effects in the research that may and can hurt you !  just be aware of what your doing  and the frequencies that your working at. beee safe thats all we are saying
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: turbo on July 07, 2007, 12:40:01 PM
if that is true i should have been dead by now.
i tested quite alot of coils and i have never noticed anything harmfull exept for the suspected RF noise.
Pherhaps you are talking about X-rays

Marco.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT - key ingrediant for a working TPU
Post by: Dingus Mungus on July 10, 2007, 09:11:26 AM
I had seen in the live tests that were done the produced RF noise disconnected USB devices 5 feet away. While I'll agree the TPU is no where near as dangerous as people are making it out to be, thats a lot of RF noise to just hang out in... Especially with sensitive equipment that we need for propper measurements. A faraday cage is a pretty good idea to insulate yourself against any RF or even microwave being produced. Altho I should point out again that I belive the size of the mesh determines the frequency bandwidth the mesh will protect against.

@Marco
Does the device recieve a external frequency?
I mean besides the powered input frequencies.
Has an energy blocking effect via cage been observed already?
A propper cage and a "kicking" ring would need to be tested to know.

I'm hoping to have a good scope and HF pulse generator here soon.
Being killing my hands winding "just for fun" coils in the mean time.

~Dingus Mungus
Title: Tubes inside the TPU?
Post by: NewAge on July 14, 2007, 11:43:42 AM
Hi!
Sorry for the interuption, but does it mean that I should put the TUBES inside the TPU? Would there be enough space for that?