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Author Topic: One simple sign that possibly proves over unity.  (Read 3559 times)

Offline Low-Q

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One simple sign that possibly proves over unity.
« on: March 30, 2007, 01:03:34 PM »
I have been thinking on how an OU device would act when the load is less than the output capacity. As we know, any motor running on electricity, fuel, coal, etc. is getting hot when running. The reason for this heat is that less than the power consumption is used for motive force, where the rest is converted to heat. The cooler a motor runs, the higher the efficiency is. When there is no change in temperature when running, the efficiency is 100%. Agree?

So what happens when a motor can be able to output more than 100%? It will cool down! This cooling effect I believe is as bad as the heating effect, as it will to a certain point limit the output. A motor with 200% OU, will when not loaded probably have a temperature drop to 150Kelvin - 200Kelvin in no time. So it need to be loaded to work properly. When magnets is applied, I believe the cooling will damage the magnets.

My statement is: Anyone who claims OU, where the device is not cooling down, are talking falsely.

What do you guys think of this statement?

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Offline lancaIV

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Re: One simple sign that possibly proves over unity.
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2007, 01:21:33 PM »
Point 1: f.e. Aspden,magnets as refrigeration source !

Point 2: A temperature drop would taken out the ambient heat content,
           your motor would work like a chiller,
           later ,when it is a closed space:room,the space would become a
           fridge chamber !   

Point 3: Superconductor-motors are actually working under these conditions !

Rare earth elements,part of the strong magnets, are superconductive .

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Re: One simple sign that possibly proves over unity.
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2007, 02:34:16 PM »
Super conducting magnets, which as you say work under such conditions, must be cooled from an external source which require energy, right?

Anyway, can you agree that a OU engine are running cold? And if it's not running cold, it is not a OU engine?

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Re: One simple sign that possibly proves over unity.
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2007, 02:34:16 PM »
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Offline tinu

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Re: One simple sign that possibly proves over unity.
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2007, 03:14:41 PM »
Not necessarily.
If an engine is running cold, it might be OU; certainly it recommends itself for further investigation. But, generally speaking, an OU machine wouldn?t have to run cold to be OU. Let?s take an example: assume that wind is our OU motive force. A wind mill doesn?t have to run cold. On contrary, the generator, gear box and blades etc. always heat up. Yet, for a living creature that does not sense the wind, it would be OU.

I guess you assumed a thermodynamic engine. Yes, a thermodynamic OU engine would always have to cool down while running. But this would also violate the existing laws and I am not aware of such machine up to date, despite all countless attempts that have been made...

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Re: One simple sign that possibly proves over unity.
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2007, 03:27:51 PM »
To use electricity to create cryo-conditions: in german language

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=DE4035445&F=0

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Re: One simple sign that possibly proves over unity.
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2007, 03:27:51 PM »
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Re: One simple sign that possibly proves over unity.
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2007, 11:21:32 PM »
Not necessarily.
If an engine is running cold, it might be OU; certainly it recommends itself for further investigation. But, generally speaking, an OU machine wouldn?t have to run cold to be OU. Let?s take an example: assume that wind is our OU motive force. A wind mill doesn?t have to run cold. On contrary, the generator, gear box and blades etc. always heat up. Yet, for a living creature that does not sense the wind, it would be OU.

I guess you assumed a thermodynamic engine. Yes, a thermodynamic OU engine would always have to cool down while running. But this would also violate the existing laws and I am not aware of such machine up to date, despite all countless attempts that have been made...

Tinu
"In the absence of light, dark prevails"

If the idea is to make a motor that runs constant, not depending on the unstable wind, you have to deal with thermodynamics. Some how invert thermodynamics, I don't know. Anyway, this type of OU motor, I believe will get freezing cold when not loaded.

I'll be damned! I'm a "Full Member" ;D !!

Br.

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