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Offline poynt99

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #420 on: November 22, 2009, 10:27:37 PM »
I'll make an educated prediction, you may have about a minimum of 2 months and a maximum of 3 months to win this prize before someone else does with real unequivocal efficiency.

just my 2 bits.

Jerry 8)

To whom and to what exactly are you referring to?

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #421 on: November 22, 2009, 11:40:10 PM »
 ;D

i dont know guys... nuttin is pretty effieicnet ..  and if i reduce my charge time on the u caps to 15 min or less..  from 14 hours ...  thats a lot of power on 5 of em ... from 1 aa the first time to start it ...

we call this  magic ...   i then recharge the aa battery to over full in 5 seconds ....  loose almost less than nothing form my output caps ...  sorce is over what it was to start with ..  i then will set the aa on the shelf for the next ring ...  it will have a power button ...  turn it on and off ...  this is designed to drive a 1.2kw invertor NON STOP  ;D

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for ever from less than nothing ...  cop?  :D ;D

i will start building them for sale when ever you want them .... THE !CUBE

TOTAL WEIGHT WILL BE UNDER 25 LBS life expectency of cap bank over 100 years ..

output will max at 12vdc 1000amp!  surge..  or constant drain per cap is 105 amp each

1500 cdn    i will build 10 for testing purpouss no invertor ...

i can not afford to have a surplus of materials ...  i have purchesed all i need to build 1 !

i gave you my starter to study prior to public release of THE GOLD RING
« Last Edit: November 23, 2009, 12:02:28 AM by innovation_station »

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #422 on: November 23, 2009, 04:50:35 AM »
Hi All,
many of you were annoyed, when I put advertisement onto my OverUnity.com
forum.
But this action was done to raise some money to keep this forum going and now
I will give back some of the money the advertisement generates to you ALL
and especially to the inventor who brings the breakthrough alternative
easy to build free energy device !
So all members will profit, cause everybody will then know, how to easily
build a real working free energy device.

I will donate now 1000 Euros to the first inventor which will give us a free energy
device and put it into the public domain  and publishes it all freely via open source e.g.
via GPL ( General Public License).

I have pondered the last days, how it could be best done.
I have come to the conclusion, that I will start with the prize money
at 1000 Euros, about 1300 US$ in this moment.

Each month the prize money will be raised by an amount which I will announce here at each month,
coming from the advertisement revenue this site generates and which is
from you all checking out our Google Adsende sponsors.

Also if you wish, you can donate also into the pot of money, so the prize money will
be raised, so it will be getting higher and higher.

If you wish to donate also into the pot of prize money , you could just post over here in the thread
that you wish to donate an amount of money or you could deposit it to me via PayPal
and I will transfer it to a bank account or leave it on a PayPal account for this purpose.

This can still be discussed, how the money will be held best, so it is in a safe place.

I am holding now back 1000 Euros on my private bank account for this purpose.

I just want to get as soon as possible a device into the public domain, so
everybody can rebuild this device.

Here are the conditions, that will apply to win the prize money:

1. You need to build 3 working units, all must work in overunity mode,so to make sure,
it is a replicatable device.

2. Each of the 3 devices must at least put out 50 Watts of contineous electrical AC or
DC power. If your device is more a mechanical or chemical ( e.g. electrolyis or cold fusion
devics) device, you must build also into it the converter to get electrical power out of it,
so it is producing at least contineous 50 Watts of free power without using any fuel
other than water or air.

3. Batteries can be used in it, but must be declared and must not be hidden and
battery lifetime and recharge time must be specified.( If batteries are used as a buffer
the testing time must be prolonged to test, if not just the batteries are delivering all
the output energy).Battery life should be at least 3 years and to change the batteries
should not cost more than 50 Euros ( each 3 years or better after a longer time period)

4. The 3 devices must be shipped to 3 different favourite Website owners in the free
energy news and discussion movement.
One device must be shipped to me at OverUnity.com ( Dip. Ing. Stefan Hartmann)
and the 2 other devices can be shipped for instance to Mr. Jean Louis Naudin
(jlnlabs.org) and Mr. Sterling D.Allan ( freeenergynews.com)
or simular entities, which are able to test and measure these devices and publish
in details the reports about these devices.

5. Patented devices do not apply, cause we want a solution that has no rights yet on it and
which would be free to build by anyone. Commercial replications must pay at least
10 to 20 % license fees to charity organisations
or simular organisations, that "feed the world" and help the poor.
This should be watched by the community to verify that commercial builder companies
really pay these licenses to charity organisations.

6. The inventor will get the prize money from me, if all 3 devices work at the website owners
and will still work after 3 months of time.
3 Months should be long enough to study and verify the 3 units and also do extensive
tests and measurements with them and first replications would be then already available
from the community.
The verification tests will be published widely all over the internet to spread quickly together
with the blueprints PDF File building instructions.

7. The device should not cost more than 500 US$ in part- and material-
prices to build and the inventor must also supply a DOC or PDF file with pictures
and building instructions and an explanation how he thinks that it works.

8. The inventor of the devices must build 3 devices from his own money and
loan these 3 devices to the 3 website owners for the 3 months test periods and
after this he can choose, if he wants to get the 3 devices back or would
like to sell these 3 devices to the test website owners to keep for themself.
The inventor needs to ship the 3 devices on his own costs to the 3 website owners.
If he can supply convincing videos in advance of the functioning of his 3 devices,
shipping charges can be paid by me, if he is low on money.


Please post your comments over here and also how we could best handle the "money
into the pot" transfer , if you also can afford to donate some money for the OverUnity Prize.

P.S: As I currently don?t have much time to fiddle around with graphics software,
I also need an artist, who is quick with animation graphics.
I need a Flash or animated GIF picture with a nice "logo" of a pot of Gold
or simular animated picture which we could use freely for this prize
and which displays the animated text "OverUnity Free Energy Prize".
Maybe a pot of gold on which sits the free energy device
which blinks and lights the text and this text in a half circle over it and
lighting up...
If you can donate such a nice animated picture you can put your name into the logo somewhere so you will be credited.

Please email me privately if you can donate such an animation logo graphics.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan Hartmann. ( admin of OverUnity.com )


I modified now the conditions on the 5th of October 2008 to lower the output power conditions,
so we will have sooner someone, who applies for the Prize.
See the new fixed conditions over here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5707.0

I hope this will get us faster to our goal of a free energy device.

Regards, Stefan.


Stephan  I am making a video so i wont have to pay shipping on My massivly Ou device . It is Very easy to build and cost 100 us dollars . the device is  The worlds first AA battery heater/light  . . the only parts are one 2n2222a transistor one 2 k resistor , one 10 k pot  one 102 capacitor. some #26 wire a one inch torroid some white leds one ultracapacitor 650f 2.7 volts and one Everready rechargable Ni-mh AA battery rated from 2500ma  to 2800 ma  . To complete this unit i will be selling the boards that make up that make the circuit self run . TBD . and some Nichrome wire and a switch . Simple . To describe the unit again  Its a Standard joule Thief circuit with a tank circuit comprised of a resistor capacitor and a pot . . this circuit has been calculated as have a cop of 2,26 with an out put over 3000 amps @ 2.5  -2.6 volts maximum amps are 3500 amps short circuit. . I will take you up on the offer for the prize as i doubt anyone here can come colose to such a simple heater /light generator of this kind . I discovered this and i so claim and take you up on the free shipping although you can make this unit easily yourself in 5 or 10 minuits with the parts readily available anywhere . If you really need me to make you one then i will . But i need the free shipping so so the units will be on loan only . you have an option to buy My unit . the others do not have that option to keep it . I will nail down the self run circuit shortly with help from some other contributing members who are making circuit boards for this device . the total unit will  be less than 6 inches Square and run for the life of the Ni-mh battery . 3-5 years they are readily available for less than 10 dollars per 2 aa batteries that this unit will run on .  If i win the prize i would like to share it with a group of people here that has inspired me to release the very first PROOF of OU in its simplistic and most powerful form . The only Condition is This . TO PREVENT COPYCAT ENTRIES NO ONE IS ALLOW TO ENTER THE CONTEST USING AN ULTRACAP  OR JOULE THIEF . i DISCOVERED IT INVENTED THIS DEVICE  FIRST AND ALSO IT CANNOT BE A FAIR CONTEST IF SOMEONE COPIED THE CONCEPT . As i told you there are other ways more efficiant to getthe same results and faster but for this demonstration it is a simple JT and a 1 volt aa battery . Later on this can be scalled up as ist is doing to provide more start and output power . Iam sharing the prize money with him a few others . COP is Calulated as 2,26  and with My start bcap volta normally sitting at .5 volts 2,26  and as a consertive calculation according to poynt99 ,because the bcap is never fully discharged  i start at .5 volts on it . COP 2, 16
thanks .

Albert
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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #423 on: November 23, 2009, 11:21:58 PM »
Hi Albert,
I hope you can show the contineous output of at least
1 Watt infinitely without the batteries getting discharged after a few days.
Looking forward to see a video and your measurement results.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #424 on: November 24, 2009, 03:32:45 AM »
Hi Albert,
I hope you can show the continuous output of at least
1 Watt infinitely without the batteries getting discharged after a few days.
Looking forward to see a video and your measurement results.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Np . I will provide 1 one watt led with specs for the led also along with an indicator led on the secondary ..Video in the next few weeks . very  busy ..and the vampires (are sucking the life out of me to boot ;)I understand the skepticism but what i don't understand is why no one builds one and proves me wrong along with all the negitive comments i am getting ? flamed left and right by justa few .It is as easy as making a pie so why not make a pie ? there are no varables / nothing "tricky" .
Albert

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #425 on: November 24, 2009, 04:46:32 AM »
Stefan,

How will you measure this GJT to ensure at least 1W of power is being supplied by its output?

I would not rely on the specification of an LED. LED's can run on a wide range of voltage and current inputs, above its minimum. You can run a LED off 20mW or so (i.e. 10mA @ 2V).

I would suggest dispensing with LED's as an output power indication in favor of a 0.5W or 1W suitable value* carbon resistor. Do a control test with a DC supply and see what temperature the resistor is at with 1W input power. Then monitor the resistor's temperature for the DUT test to ensure it remains at that temperature, or higher. *A value that results in a temperature rise of say 20 to 40ºC above ambient.

As a side note, the applicant would be wise to tweak the submitted device to put out the amount of power he thinks will make the device last the 3 months and still maintain the minimum 1W output.

An AA battery should be able to source 1W of power for about 3.75 hours (assumed 1.5V output). This control test being with a standard Ohmic load, for example a 1.5 Ohm resistor. At this point, the battery would have fallen to a certain percentage of its full charge voltage. The battery however is not fully depleted of its energy.

It should be noted that using this same battery in a step-up circuit such as the JT, the time duration of this 1W output power can be extended quite a lot for two reasons:

1) The average load current on the battery is lower than with the control test, and

2) The JT facilitates access to more of the battery's stored energy, depleting it far beyond what the control test will while still being able to maintain the 1W power output.

I estimate therefore, that the AA battery would be able to charge the 650F cap from 0V to 2.6V about 8 to 10 times using the JT to charge it.

So I would suggest the temperature monitored resistor as the output power indicator (use a thermistor attached to the resistor), and see how long the GJT can keep the heat on. This will require some tweaking of the switching circuit which dumps some of the cap's energy back into the battery, such that it does so before the resistor's temperature drops below the required minimum.

For a 1W constant load, I will be surprised if this circuit (powered by a 2500mA AA battery) lasts more than 10 hours, which is a little shy of 3 months.

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #426 on: November 24, 2009, 05:42:47 AM »
Hey Poynt,

Assuming that whatever variation of a JT circuit tested makes exclusive use of an inductive collapse going through a diode as the power output of the device, then there is an alternative way to monitor the power output of the DUT.

If you replace the ultracapacitor or whatever the load is in the "charging battery" (or blinking LED) position with a resistor in parallel with a large capacitor, then you can simply monitor the capacitor voltage and derive the power dissipation across the known resistor.

In this case the value of the resistor is somewhat arbitrary, but you might want to use a value that results in a capacitor voltage of perhaps between two and five volts.

It is very simple, just take spot measurements of the capacitor voltage at your chosen interval, and that's it.

A simple spreadsheet could be used to do the energy integration as an option also.

No heat issues - change the low-pass filter from a thermal one based on the thermal capacitance of the load resistor to an electrical one - a big cap in parallel with a "drain" resistor.  Use a multimeter!   ;D

MileHigh

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #427 on: November 24, 2009, 06:05:54 AM »
MH,

That's probably a viable method as well.

However, I just try not to change the circuit too much in order to keep the folks happy. I think the thermal method would work quite well, with minimal disruption to the operation of the circuit.

In this case they like their ultra-caps, so I left that part untouched.

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #428 on: November 24, 2009, 06:23:05 AM »
I understand the skepticism but what i don't understand is why no one builds one and proves me wrong along with all the negitive comments i am getting ? flamed left and right by justa few .It is as easy as making a pie so why not make a pie ? there are no varables / nothing "tricky" .
Albert

I already told you that I will, and told you that I bought the 650F bcap. The seller can't teleport the bcap to me, so be patient.

We're all looking forward to seeing your video.


Stefan, we all look forward to you & others verify the real machine in person!

Paul

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #429 on: November 24, 2009, 06:32:06 AM »
[Never mind. I was just thinking out loud.]

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #430 on: November 24, 2009, 06:46:38 AM »
Hi Poynt,

If you dig into the spec for the ultracap you will probably find something about internal leakage current such that they self-discharge to a certain extent.  I am not sure if it is linear.  I am pretty sure I read up on supercaps and how they work.  They work in a manner akin to a charcoal filter, with a lot of surface area per unit volume, with one of the trade-offs being leakage.

It blows my mind that you can get a 650 farad capacitor, even if it is low voltage.  Can you say electromagnetic rail gun?

Anyway, there is always the issue of the number of time constants the coil is switched on in a given JT circuit and if you are dissipating too much energy resistively.  Fun fun!  lol

If I had a 650 farad cap and assuming that leakage was not an issue, I would put an inductor across it such that it resonates at about 1 Hz.  Then check each day with a scope and see how long that baby lasts!  Then I would make an assassin's electromagnetic rail Bic pen gun!  Nerd heaven!  lol

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« Reply #431 on: November 24, 2009, 03:44:11 PM »
MH,

The leakage current for the 650F model is a whopping 1.5ma  :o

LOL, .99

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #432 on: November 24, 2009, 04:04:21 PM »
Stefan,

How will you measure this GJT to ensure at least 1W of power is being supplied by its output?

I would not rely on the specification of an LED. LED's can run on a wide range of voltage and current inputs, above its minimum. You can run a LED off 20mW or so (i.e. 10mA @ 2V).

I would suggest dispensing with LED's as an output power indication in favor of a 0.5W or 1W suitable value* carbon resistor. Do a control test with a DC supply and see what temperature the resistor is at with 1W input power. Then monitor the resistor's temperature for the DUT test to ensure it remains at that temperature, or higher. *A value that results in a temperature rise of say 20 to 40ºC above ambient.

As a side note, the applicant would be wise to tweak the submitted device to put out the amount of power he thinks will make the device last the 3 months and still maintain the minimum 1W output.

An AA battery should be able to source 1W of power for about 3.75 hours (assumed 1.5V output). This control test being with a standard Ohmic load, for example a 1.5 Ohm resistor. At this point, the battery would have fallen to a certain percentage of its full charge voltage. The battery however is not fully depleted of its energy.

It should be noted that using this same battery in a step-up circuit such as the JT, the time duration of this 1W output power can be extended quite a lot for two reasons:

1) The average load current on the battery is lower than with the control test, and

2) The JT facilitates access to more of the battery's stored energy, depleting it far beyond what the control test will while still being able to maintain the 1W power output.

I estimate therefore, that the AA battery would be able to charge the 650F cap from 0V to 2.6V about 8 to 10 times using the JT to charge it.

So I would suggest the temperature monitored resistor as the output power indicator (use a thermistor attached to the resistor), and see how long the GJT can keep the heat on. This will require some tweaking of the switching circuit which dumps some of the cap's energy back into the battery, such that it does so before the resistor's temperature drops below the required minimum.

For a 1W constant load, I will be surprised if this circuit (powered by a 2500mA AA battery) lasts more than 10 hours, which is a little shy of 3 months.

.99
this idea is, with respect, asinine. why would you change something designed to create light into something that creates heat just for measurement purposes?
this is a poor approach and i might add, lazy. if the DUT is designed to create light, then measure that. don't go swapping parts out and pretending it behaves the same. a led is not a resistor... converting/perverting it to something that is easier, more convenient for you to measure is 'lan dan jiang'...

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Re: OverUnity prize money 15825 US$ total until now
« Reply #433 on: November 24, 2009, 06:32:03 PM »
Hi,
I would test it
1. in comparison with the same LED being driven by DC voltage,
so optically comparing the brightness level, which is pretty exact with
the human eye.

2. by using a calibrated resistor, which will heat up calorimetrically
some destilled water and see, how much heat energy this will
put out over time.
This is also a very precise measurement and can be used to see, how much
temperature difference the water will have afther the test and this way
you can calculate the energy spent to heat the water and thus the output
energy of the JT circuit.

P.S: Gadget should do these tests already by himself before applying for
the OU prize.

Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #434 on: November 24, 2009, 09:28:18 PM »
The heated resistor and water is along the lines I was proposing Stefan. ;)

Just ensure that the 1W minimum power output is achieved by using a DC control.

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P.S: Gadget should do these tests already by himself before applying for the OU prize.

Precisely. Will he?

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