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Title: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: innovation_station on March 28, 2007, 04:25:15 PM
agin i did this many many years ago


in fact i built this in high school

it will run on 30 lbs of air

it agin is simple

no oil no heat just air

it worked verry well too

i have left this alone for a long time but if you want to build it i can tell you how

simply take a 4 stroke lawn mower engine

and do 1 thing to it

take the cam shaft out have some one weld 2 more lobes on it so the cam i dubble lobed

put it back togather

put the piston a tdc and drive air in the spark plug hole and  pesureize the crank case

bascily all you are doing is moving the air around

with the cam being dubble lobed it allowes the valves to open and close on every up and stroke of the piston

agin verry simple the only problem i had at the time i built this was to control the input air

so i just blew it in all the time

ran great and for lubrication put oil just a little in with the air

not much more to come on this

i had an engine that was finished

but have moved so many times since then and it has become lost agin not hard to build

is
Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: Low-Q on March 29, 2007, 11:09:24 PM
With compressed air as fuel, you're again limited by the laws of physics. When pulling out too much energy, the decompressed air will cool down quite quick, and left there is no pressure to run the engine. And you are depended on external heat to make it run further. Before that you must use plenty of energy to compress the air. One important thing to consider when having plans for a free energy device is o look at the energy required to make it. How much will this process damage rivers,  and the air with pollution?
Solar energy is a source of energy, which source is the reason why everything else on this planet is running. Why take a roundabout way, when you have limitless of energy, free, from the sun itself?

Br.

Vidar
Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: innovation_station on March 30, 2007, 12:10:41 AM
i built this peticular engine when i was 15 years old i am now dubble that and i have done nothing more with it just thought that i would post it to show that it could be done easly


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Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: Draco Rylos on April 10, 2007, 07:18:05 PM
@Low-Q

Ease up on the man, I had an idea similar to that back when I was a about the same age up until I was about 18 or so. I didn't think about how to control the air going into the cylinder at the time though. To me it was a wild idea that i hoped that I would be able to get to work but after time lost interest in it.
Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: pese on April 15, 2007, 07:38:07 PM
LIKE this ?

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Generator_from_Ambient_Air_by_Kim_Zorzi

Pese
Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: innovation_station on April 16, 2007, 05:25:36 AM
sorry pese not at all like that but that is realy cool!

a 5 hp lawn mower motor 4 stroke gas engine

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Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: pese on April 16, 2007, 07:51:37 AM
sorry pese not at all like that but that is realy cool!

a 5 hp lawn mower motor 4 stroke gas engine

ist



The next cool" idea :

http://www.free-energy.ws/pdf/Teal4024421.pdf   B. Teal
http://www.free-energy.ws/pdf/Teal4093880.pdf   same - revised

G.Pese
Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: innovation_station on April 16, 2007, 08:16:08 PM
verry nice
i will be working that way somtime in the future i have a much better understanding of magnetics and how they can be used  ;)


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Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: AbbaRue on July 11, 2008, 07:01:18 PM
Looks like someone has already worked out the bugs on this idea.
Check out this link:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4217016.html
We all need to work together to get this technology into all countries.
Wind and solar power could be converted directly into compressed air instead of into electricity.

Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: innovation_station on July 11, 2008, 08:06:17 PM
happy to see it

it is simple to do

that was a great idea on the wind to air pressure

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Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: AbbaRue on July 11, 2008, 08:23:06 PM
Check out the historical record of this technology:
http://www.theaircar.com/acf/air-cars/compressed-air-history.html

And another link:
http://weeksmd.com/?p=862
Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: AlanA on July 11, 2008, 09:34:53 PM
Hi innovation_station,

the miracle isn't a compressed air engine, the miracle would be a compressed air engine with a self-filling tank.
See: www.aircaraccess.com. Air engines were built in the past in America and Europe.

Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: ramset on July 12, 2008, 01:16:36 AM
1st I was thinking that the spark gap in water deal would make a great air compressor to run an air motor  of course I will try this as I already started to build a test chamber to test the power or those plugs  Chet PS the idea being a self filling tank
Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: therealrasta on July 12, 2008, 02:36:41 AM
Some dude made a working car that ran on compressed air a long time ago.. Wish i could find a vid.....

Well here is one.. But not the one I was talking about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFbKINlXzRk
Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: hydrocontrol on July 12, 2008, 03:53:29 AM
Some dude made a working car that ran on compressed air a long time ago.. Wish i could find a vid.....

Well here is one.. But not the one I was talking about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFbKINlXzRk

They are making an air car now.

http://www.theaircar.com/acf/
They used to have a much for informative web site a few months ago now it has turned more into an investment site. Use the web archives to browse
http://web.archive.org/web/20070818200610/http://www.theaircar.com/

Here is a promotional news video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4

Here is an animation of how the engine works to give the best torque curve.
Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: greendoor on July 12, 2008, 04:38:41 AM
IMO - here is the best way to convert any ICE to compressed air (theoretical - I haven't done it, but i'm sharing ideas for the benefit of anyone wanting to experiment).

Take the head off your existing ICE and throw it, and the fuel system, and the ignition system, away.
Replace the head with a piece of sheet steel - i'm thinking 20mm thick.  Drill holes for the head studs and a hole over the centre of each cylinder bore. 

Screw an electric solenoid operated pneumatic valve into the holes over each cylinder.  Using pneumatic fittings, create a manifold and connect these up to your compressed air cyclinder. 

All you need to do now is wire up an electric control system that will open the solenoids for a specific amount of time at the top of each power stroke.  Speed will be controlled by how long each solenoid stays open.  No air is wasted - and since we have thrown away the valve train - we can operate on all downstrokes, turning 4 stroke ICE into 2 stroke.  OR maybe have the electrical option of only using every second downstroke as a means of lowering power and saving air.

Of course - this is very much under-unity.  But the benefit is we could retrofit this to ANY ICE - petrol or diesel or gas - it doesn't matter. 

We can develope alternative energy solutions for compressing the air at home.  I'm favoring water arc explosions as my prefered over-unity solution to charging compressed air cylinders ...

Title: Re: internal combubtion engine to run on compressed air
Post by: innovation_station on July 12, 2008, 04:59:33 AM
1st I was thinking that the spark gap in water deal would make a great air compressor to run an air motor  of course I will try this as I already started to build a test chamber to test the power or those plugs  Chet PS the idea being a self filling tank

now that is an awsome idea !!!!!

im still working on so many darn things .....


i hope to have some compleated things soon .. :)

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