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Author Topic: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator  (Read 21224 times)

Offline tao

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Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« on: March 20, 2007, 04:02:23 PM »
(moved over from this thread: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2093.msg26072.html#msg26072 )

Ok guys... Heres the deal.

I was going to keep all my research and work quiet, until an unspecified time. But I feel this TYPE of generator almost speaks for itself, so there isn't really much HIDING or SECRETS that can be kept with it, lol.

So, without further adou, here is the KEY mechanism to this design.

Now the world knows, if it didn't already!

I made this image MANY months ago, just so you know.

It should be self explainable.................................

I have named it: The 'Zen Generator,' due to it's circular shape, the same type of shape that is popular is the Zen arts...

Enjoy...

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2007, 05:57:41 PM »
(moved over from this thread: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2093.msg26072.html#msg26072 )
here is the KEY mechanism to this design

Have you built any prototypes?

If so, can you post some pictures? What sort of results have you gotten: power in, to turn the magnet, versus power out, from the coil?

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2007, 06:52:44 PM »
I think what will happen is the flux from the magnet will not split evenly when the coil is conducting - like the Flynn effect.  Some of the flux will be coerced or repelled by the coil, throwing the system out of balance.  It is an interesting concept though.  Are you going to build one to find out?

db

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
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Offline AhuraMazda

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2007, 10:14:04 PM »
Have a second look at how the winding is shown on the toroid. Why do you think they are not perpendicular?

AM

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2007, 02:51:37 AM »
those yoke coils from a TV don't have a round cross section, but might be a quick way to test the effect. I'm still playing with the ones I have here - looks like I might have to rewind the coils. I'm using some little rare earth magnets and a 3V motor from the scrap bin.

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2007, 05:45:16 AM »
@AhuraMazda

Hmm......

How about they are slanted to create a "slanted bias" in the magnetic flux of the toroid.

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2007, 06:35:18 AM »
Wire wrapped on a cylinder is slanted as well - the artist's intent is not clear. Could the slant be the required slant to wrap a layer of wire?

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Offline Paul-R

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2007, 04:03:32 PM »
A rather different idea, but maybe you should see this
motor by Stefan Marinov. Figure 1, page 3.
www.monstein.de/paraphysics/Marinovmotor/v05n3wes.pdf
It might add something useful to the debate.
Paul.

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2007, 04:50:13 PM »
Hi Tao,
this is nothing new.
Steven Sullivan has got a patent for it and he reported about 1500 Watts
output versus about 1200 Watts input already a few years ago,
when he was still reachable via email.
He posted also a picture of his setup,
if I remember correctly.

Unforntunatly he never came back and reported any further progress.

Search for his company Omnidyne or something like this..

Maybe it went Black projects ?

It was one of the best anti-Lentz law designs so far.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
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Offline tao

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2007, 04:59:54 PM »
I know this is nothing new, see my posts in the other thread.

I am not claiming anything new. I am merely showing people the complete principle in a new thread, with very logical reasonings and a nice image ;).

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2007, 12:58:29 PM »
Looks nice Tao.  Keep up the good info.  We all could use a little more Zen!

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2007, 10:45:47 PM »
Wouldn't this generator provide more current and less voltage when loaded? The permeability of the iron will decrease if the coil is loaded, the magnetic field will follow the part of the toroid with no coil when the coil is sort cut, hence the missing back torque. At the same time no energy is generated in the coil. Hmmm... I think we again are walking on a dead end (or blind alley if you like).

Vidar

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2007, 02:23:40 AM »
The ONLY way that the permeability of the iron will decrease is IF the coil is outputing energy!

So, you can't have one without the other.

The only way the flux from the magnet will move is IF there is energy being output on the coil. A changed permeability is a direct result of output current in the coil, period, there is no other way that the flux is going to distort like that.

So, there is either energy being output on the coil OR the flux in the toroid IS NOT distorting, period...


Wouldn't this generator provide more current and less voltage when loaded? The permeability of the iron will decrease if the coil is loaded, the magnetic field will follow the part of the toroid with no coil when the coil is sort cut, hence the missing back torque. At the same time no energy is generated in the coil. Hmmm... I think we again are walking on a dead end (or blind alley if you like).

Vidar

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2007, 04:08:32 AM »
Yeah, saturation seems to be the limiting factor. Would a powerful slow magnet be better than a fast weak magnet? Should the coil cover half the toroid or less?

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Re: Zen Generator - A No Back Torque Electromagnetic Generator
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2007, 05:13:14 AM »
As of right now, I feel the coil should cover up to an arc of 0-60 degrees...


Yeah, saturation seems to be the limiting factor. Would a powerful slow magnet be better than a fast weak magnet? Should the coil cover half the toroid or less?

 

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