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Offline gfcgamer

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ELSA- Energy Life Saving Answer
« on: May 06, 2005, 06:25:00 AM »
Stefan, not just idea, If submarines exist, it Really Works!

Here....
http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/forsale/plans/elsa/ELSA.htm

Please someone do -ELSA Movies- to me spread across world using E-mule.

This device is about to run refrigerators, ventilators, overcrafts, without eletrical sources.
Im running out of money now. Here in Brasil, this device is REALLY CHEAP! Not for me...
We can trow away that freon bomb of refrigerator or any eletrical bombs that kill water.
We can forget about using eletricity to run ventilators.
We can make similar using Helium shutles making some kind of free overcraft device.
We can make similar using high voltages making lifters pulling down and up -AIR-
We can spin something capturing air and releasing downward spining. Making a ovni device that uses no energy.
I was Trying to mix ELSA with Alextee perpetual motion using isopor shutles instead magnets.

kowaaaaai.

« Last Edit: May 12, 2005, 07:22:20 AM by gfcgamer »

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Re: ELSA- Energy Life Saving Answer
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2005, 08:38:28 AM »
ELSA will not work! You assume that the cylinder will expand after dropping down into water. But the water pressure is greater at the bottom. The pressure will rise 0.433 PSI for each foot of depth. So at say 35 feet the pressure will be a little over 15.15 PSI above atmosphere pressure. When the piston expands the inside air pressure drops. To expand to douple size the pressure must drop to half. So the pressure inside the cylinder before expansion must be about 30.3 PSI. When expanded the cylinder displaces 32 pounds of water. Assuming the cylinder's cross sectional area is one square foot then the cylinder will lift about 34 cubic feet of water 6.15 inches above the surface. The 6.15 inches of water produces a pressure of 0.22 PSI. This is no where near enough to re-compress the air back to 30.3 PSI needed at the bottom to expand the cylinder. You would need a column of water close to 70 feet high.

If you used a pressure multiplying cylinder you could convert the 32 pounds of water into 1 pound of water at about 16 feet high which would give you about 7.1 PSI, still not enough to re-compress.

You might think a vacuum would work but then you need to pull the cylinder to expand it which requires the same energy as compressing it.

Jim_Mich

Offline terry5732

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Re: ELSA- Energy Life Saving Answer
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2005, 06:54:54 AM »
Besides those little problems JIm, the expanded cylinder is not buoyant as it has the weight of the water column trapped above it.

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Re: ELSA- Energy Life Saving Answer
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2005, 06:54:54 AM »
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Offline gfcgamer

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Re: ELSA- Energy Life Saving Answer
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2005, 05:35:34 PM »
1>>? ? ? ?MODIFY YOUR WRONG POST THAT SAY -doesnt work-? THIS IS SCARING PEOPLE THAT HAVE INTENTIONS ON TRY.? >:(
2 >>? ? ? SUBMARINES DON?T LIFT UNDER OCEAN WATER PRESSURE? ->(im thinking of you as oil companies manipulator)? ? >:(
3>>? ? ? ?AS TERRY SAYS -WATER IS NOT TRAPED ON THE TUBE. ;)
3 >>? ? ? FINISH READING THE ELSA RELATED MATERIAL FIRST BEFORE SAY ANITHING !? ? >:(
4 >>? ? ? RIDICULOUS! to say anithing like that make this discartable.? ? >:(

(For DIFFERENT ELSA  WTH TRAPPED WATER DEVICE ALSO WORKS!? Just setting away a new format of shutle that lock the top before reach the botton, and use pressure of water passing trough a donut to botton of shutle to self expand again using valves to keep air!!!)  
Aslo remember that the OUT TUBE IS THINER. Water WILL go up for sure.

Read this!
http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/forsale/plans/elsa/751.gif

We need to do the COMPLETE SETUP before have SURE of anithing.

Im warrior...Im not afraid OF D**M MULTINACINALS at all, yet will need to try kill people like me.
 IM BURNING WITH ANGER! >:(
« Last Edit: May 07, 2005, 06:25:01 PM by gfcgamer »

Offline gfcgamer

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Re: ELSA- Energy Life Saving Answer
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2005, 06:04:01 PM »
Besides those little problems JIm, the expanded cylinder is not buoyant as it has the weight of the water column trapped above it.

Yes. I was so anger that I even not saw your post, have posted as if he have some reason...
There are comercial interest? in hide this device.

Im dreaming with a video of this working device.
 I don?t have a cent. Live with my family.
Terry, quick, show to everyone this device. It is already patented.
Once is ready, Lets post some devices videos here. Thanks.

I WISH TO HAVE a air-circulator made of elsa that move a piston trough a ligh tube an air compressor with sides holes.
A Natural-no-need-energy-device ventilator. (Many people wish to kill me ?cause that)
« Last Edit: May 07, 2005, 06:27:25 PM by gfcgamer »

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Offline SeaWasp

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Re: ELSA- Energy Life Saving Answer
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2005, 03:20:12 PM »
Regarding this device, I am with Jim on this one. Jim is correct regarding the increase in water pressure as you descend. It won't work. And regarding submarines... Once they reach a certain depth they drop like lead balloons! They rely on their engines to raise them up... Not air!

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: ELSA- Energy Life Saving Answer
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2005, 11:34:27 AM »
Quote from: FreeEnergy
yeah i meant to send you this link instead:
http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/forsale/plans/elsa/755.gif


Hi,
how is the air removed from the free moveable compressable piston atthe top ?

How is the air pumped down to the buttom to fill the piston with air ?
This takes also a lot of energy and it might be lesss, than what you win
when the piston pumps up the water into the upper reservoir...

But interesting idea, I must admit !

Regards, Stefan.

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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: ELSA- Energy Life Saving Answer
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2005, 03:25:53 PM »
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from what i can understand the piston is never pumped with air because it is a sponge/foam kind of piston, it moves up the cylinder pushing water up into tank. the water that was pushed up is a lot heaver than the foam piston, this way you have more energy to push the foam-piston back down somehow to restart the whole prosses? what do you think?

That also would not work,
cause the upper water reservoir would move then down in height to
be able to push down the foam piston again.
So you would loose the potential energy of the water reservoir at the top...

There is always a catch, why these designs don?t work.
Believe me, I have tried it half a year to ponder about simular water systems
and all looked good at the first sight, but failed after deep analysis.

The only thing which might work is an imbalanced wheel which
has storage springs in it, so the movement of the weights inside the wheel is stored
just to imbalance the wheel and the springs will pull back the weights again,
so the weights are just oscillating inside the wheel to shift lever arms
and this just imbalances all the time a wheel
like the Bessler wheel and generates mechanical energy via the imbalancing.
But as the weights just only oscillate inside the wheel and imbalance it all the time,
there is a constant gain
from gravity field and the wheel can move on like the original Bessler wheel.

Regards, Stefan.

Offline truth

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Re: ELSA- Energy Life Saving Answer
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2008, 11:09:41 AM »
Too bad his links don't work any more.

People are still trying to sneak that bucket of air into that pressure.

Submarines do work, but the power consumption is enough to require a nuclear reactor.

0.433 PSI per foot of depth? Is this figure correct and accurate?

Are they all this angry?


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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: ELSA- Energy Life Saving Answer
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2008, 06:39:55 PM »
I'm glad there are some people starting to think more clearly about buoyancy drives.

"Are they all this angry?"
Maybe not, but they sure can be persistent.

"0.433 psi per foot of depth?"
Sounds good to me. I figure one atmosphere per 33 feet. So 14.7 psi / 33 feet = 0.445 psi/foot, which is "close enough" for government work, as they say.

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Re: ELSA- Energy Life Saving Answer
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2008, 07:42:43 PM »
@ tinselkoala,

Thanks for the clarification, sir.


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