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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: magnacoaster on March 09, 2007, 07:37:35 AM
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total power intake 1 Amp @12 volts
total output 20 amps @ 12 volts
picture is attached
Latest video at:
http://overunity.com/magnacoaster/magnacoaster.avi
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Hi Richard,
So, what do we see on the picture ?
An electromagnet controlled magnet motor driving a generator ?
Is it an alternator with DC output ?
Can you post a video with measurements ?
Many thanks.
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Hi,
I found this link to Magnacoster Motor Company, a wholly owned subsidiary of Magnetic Research and Development:
http://www.magnacoaster.com/magna/
Nothing else... but a promise for video coming soon...
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This is interesting. I am however a little bit skeptic to overunity motors, or magnet motors, where wires (Which is going "nowhere" and "anywhere") are included. Do you have plans, drawings etc. for this motor, magnacoaster?
Br.
Vidar.
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They posted these videos on youtube the other day.
http://www.youtube.com/magnacoaster
Looks like a pulse motor running an alternator or generator charging up a battery.
Rhett
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here is the layout that you need i will also post a new vidoe later today as i was doing a fair bit of work last night on the unit. you have to understand this unit will free wheel up to a speed of about 4000 rpm with no load. i have been playing with different sprockets as well as a new timing cam for the points. in the future will be going to solid state to drive the unit. also this was a big learning curve as the small unit ran great but the big unit had hurtles that needed to be crossed. outside coil temp on run is 190 F coil mask is 98 F as well as you have to use a jump wire in the gm alt. 64 se that will give you stator power right from the start. as well all the bearings have to be taked apart and cleaned as sealed units do not work. i also had to do this with the alt last night as it was built way to tight. make sure you go with the right glue as the magnets are rockets if they come loose. we are in the funding stage right now and plan to make a 14 kw unit that will power a house extra power will go back out to the grid we have a new type of gen head that only needs 100 rpm. this is about to get in there face and for sale to the public
Green energy here we come
Richard
ps:when i do the next video you will see the meter with all my numbers
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Here are some standard power conversion to horsepower figures for reference.
20 watt = 0.026809651 horsepower
240 watt = 0.321715818 horsepower
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Hi Magnacoaster,
Wow, what a simple idea.
So You can run this on 12 watts input, and output is 240 watts, so that is 20 times overunity for a chain coupled generator...sounds too good to be true.
As the alternator is loaded the input current will need to increase to compensate for it.
Have you tried to get 20 amps @ 12 volts out of the alternator and still only require 1 amp input?
Can you connect 3 x 55 watt car headlamp bulbs to the alternator, drive the output to a large 25V 40000uF capacitor and couple this to the input so you have a self running motor?
From the three videos on Youtube, did you have one where the device was self running and no battery connected?
I would like to know more about this with regarding you measurements on input power and output power.
Its a pity the alternator needs such high RPM to become "excited", otherwise you could do away with the gearing.
Rob
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http://www.magnacoaster.com/
He updated his website this afternoon, so you may want to give it another look.
He is located near where I work, so I gave him a call and chatted for a while. Here are a couple of interesting URLs that I got from him:
http://coldelectricity.info
http://www.ecycle.com
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How did you measured 20Amps? Did you attached a load that is draining 20Amps? Or this is recharging current (might overcharge the battery)? Where fits the consumption of the alternator? in those 20 Amps? What are those points? a mechanical switch?
Thanks.
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total power intake 1 amp @12 volts
total output 20 amps @ 12 volts
One can never have too many multimeters. This week Canadian Tire has them on sale for $20, if you want to pick up a few more so you monitor the voltage/amperage in more places when you are testing your device.
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I've been doing some great testing along these lines for quite some time now.
If the battery is reading 14. something volts, you're alternator is not producing 20 amps since the regulator will only put a light riding current on the exciter coil. So your prime mover can turn at 4000 rpm if I am not mistaken. But I did not see anything running at 4000 rpm. At best, what I saw from the video is around 240 rpm and that will not produce anything with the alternator.
Plus once you put a load on the battery, hence on the alternator, like if you put a battery having only 11.5 volts, the alternator will almost seize. A 63 amp alternator at 20 amps has quite a strong drag factor that your prime mover will never be able to move in the way you have your system.
Sorry but I don't buy this at all.
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I agree with watts up, everything shown is so badly presented it does not inspire confidence.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJXsg7bvCLU
This here must possible THE RIGHT VIDEO to the
maschine that was shown in beginnig this thread...
but .....
Pese
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http://ch.to/FE here some news now-
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like everyone out there i to have to learn about things !
if you find it easy to say that it does not work then you can build your own
i am doing the best as this is 2 years of my life into this so far !
also everything you have learned will not work as all the ideas about gears and pulleys
are not right as we wanted to go faster and we had a 12 tooth and 35 tooth we swaped the 12 to a 16 only to see it go slower !
i also want to get all the bugs out before i change it over to a Electronic control as this will make the change over easy as well as not cost me a few hundred everytime we burn out a controller !
i have melted coils here as well as parts that looked good on paper only to find in the real world that there was no way to make them work !
as well i plan to build a new type of gen in the next few weeks to get more power and less pain out of it the same one as the wind guys have that needs to go 100 rpm
that way i can gear it to run and have almost no load on it
our speed right now is not right i have ordered a new sprocket but i cant get it till monday as it was not in stock !
if you want to go and buy all the crap i have bought in the last 2 years you may want to have a deep pocket as i have put in 120,000 in time as well as 10,000 in cost that came from my pocket as well as all the nights that i could not sleep !
the little units you see on here for display will not work the same as the next size up if you start with a 10 mm magnet and go and increase it to 1 inch magnet you will see what i mean !
i never said i have a phd in electronics or in machanics but what i do have is the chance to make a difference and to make my unit work !
maybe if we all work togeather then the world would had green power by now !
Richard
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This sounds great magnacoaster - I hope you continue to improve your understanding of how it works. Anything information you can share with us here is greatly appreciated.
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i plan to build a new type of gen in the next few weeks to get more power and less pain out of it the same one as the wind guys have that needs to go 100 rpm
Which set of plans are you using? I have an older set of Hugh Piggott's axial flux windmill plans that I bought from http://www.scoraigwind.com
Since your interest is just in the generator (and not the windmill), there are free plans for just the axial flux generator at:
http://www.scoraigwind.com/pmgbooklet/index.htm
as well as 10,000 in cost that came from my pocket
I've easily spent twice that on alternative science projects in the last 10 years, if you include the cost of specialized tools such as oscilloscopes.
maybe if we all work togeather then the world would had green power by
now
Speaking of working together... I'm only in Waterloo one day a week on average, but if you'd like, I could drop by one day after work with my oscilloscope and related tools. We could measure what is going on in your pulse motor, measure the power that it uses, and measure the power that the alternator is producing.
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@magnacoaster
I wasn't trying to knock you or ridicule you at all. I have been through the same road you have been through with motors, gears, alternators, etc.so I know what your are going through. I also see you have taken out most of your web site material, which is also a good thing since I feel you were jumping the gun somewhat. In terms of the man hours involved I can only agree with you and commend you for your great efforts.
Through my own tests with simple regular gear systems, I have been able to achieve very good results but never OU. As soon as I plugged a 100 watts AC bulb on the inverter, the system would lose about 0.01 volts DC every 4 minutes or sooner, but without a load the system would turn on its own losing 0.01 volts every 15-20 minutes or so.
One of the main points on your system is your alternator which is a self exciting type. This means you need to have at least 1700 rpm before the alternator will even kick in to current production mode. So if you are running your prime mover at lets say 1000 rpm, which I feel if even high for what I saw, you are only giving the alternator 500 rpm on a 2:1 ratio. So the alternator is not even "on" and that is why your system is turning. So you need a minimum of 3400 rpm on a 2:1 ratio to even start the alternator.
Also, your chain and sprocket mechanism will kill any effeciencies you are trying to get by other means because the friction loss involved in the chain entering and exiting the sprocket is so great that you are almost doomed from the start.
Lastly, the prime mover magnet rotor with only one coil will never produce enough torque to turn the alternator in current production mode. As soon as there is just enough current applied to the rotor of the alternator, it will almost seize.
An alternative is what I am presently testing were I purchased three types of internal alternator regulators for my 105 amp CS144 Delco-Remy, one self-exciting circuit, one requiring an external supply to the circuit and another which I simply modified by removing all the circuitry and jumping the internal terminals to allow direct access to the exciter coil so that I can feed it the current level I want. I found that the last option works best since this enables you to apply your own voltage to the exciter coil even when you are lower than 1700 rpm. This permits you to do alot of tests with varying or pulsed voltages, sweep voltages and also capacitor discharged voltages, without going through the alternator's regular circuitry, hence its limitations. Don't forget that an alternator is designed to be rotated via a car engine that has loads of more torque and the necessity to build them at super high effeciencies is not there.
I have included a photo of my modified regulator. By running the jumper from those two terminals, with one side of the brush grounded, the other side can be accessed via the red wire on the regulator plug. So you now have access to the current applied to the coil and you no longer have to wait until you reach 1700 rpm. To do this you have to identify the floating brush, follow it through the regulator conductor in the structure and jump it to the red wire terminal.
Another point is the gears I was testing. My current tests is with a 24 volts 1/2 HP DC Permanent Magnet Prime Mover with a 144 tooth gear that is driving a 72 or 48 tooth gear on an alternator. I had to have the alternator rotor shaft modified to remove the threading so my gears would fit the shaft. So what I am doing is supplying only 12 volts to the 24 volts motor and using a 1:2 or 1:3 ratio (each one turn of the prime mover turns the alternator 2 or 3 turns) to turn the alternator. I am now looking to modify the DC motor to add two more brushes on the commutator at 90 degrees to the existing brushes, which I will use to try and pull off emf from the rotor via a few caps and send this power back to the batteries. This should lower the current demand on the batteries. Right now though as it stands, I am losing about 0.1 volts every 4 minutes. But this scenario is very promising since it is already successfully turning the alternator which is producing about 14 amps. But this is still not enough to reach OU. I will be looking for a high revolution strong 12volt dc motor for my next tests.
Regardless of the time I spend on this, the learning is great and very important for me to better understand this method. One thing also, I now use a clamp on dc amperage meter about 150$ bucks. I know. But it was the best investment I have ever made. Man it's great to measure dc current on a wim, without the hassle of a standard multimeter 10 amp limit and shunting.
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To solve your heating problem you could increase the number of turns of wire on your coil. That would reduce the amps required to generate the magnetic pulse.
You may have come up with a magic combination of parts.
There is a fellow near me that has a 4 pole ambulance generator charging 4 batteries, being driven by a 10 speed bicycle gear, that is powerd by a 120 VAC washing machine motor, that is powerd by a 12VDC to 120 VAC inverter. He draws off extra power from the inverter to light his cabin. I think he lucked into a magic combo of parts. I told him if any parts even the brushes are moved a few degrees it may all stop workng.
Your GM alternator, the spark on the points and the number of turns on your coil and the gearing any one or a combination may be the magic key to your success.
I would leave the setup you have alone and build a new one as close to the same as your first one to see if it works the same. And then change out one piece at a time to see if you get any impovement. Do not tear apart your working model use it as a baseline.
Rhett
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well i have done more testing and what i have found is
free wheeling i get 3000 rpm mesured in hz with a reed switch
i have changed the coil wire size and it would not work
seems i have the right number of turns as well as the right
wire size
we added a electronic switch on the coil and it changed the amount of heat it made
will be making a few changes to the length of the core in the electromagnet core
will also be making a new generator got the materials today
with a bit of this and a bit of that we hope to have a unit within a week
this unit will not have cores and will produce a bit of power
will keep you posted
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Can you tell us the part number of the alternator you are using and what internal wireing you did to get it to excite right from the start?
I would like to get an alternator and do some testing to see what speed it likes to run at. Then we could compare notes and see if yours acts the same.
Rhett
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here are the links i have been using
http://www.windstuffnow.com/main/gm_alt_mod.htm
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Magnacoaster,
First, thank you for the informaton.
Looking at the first link did you modify your alternator and insert the permanant magnets? or did you just modify a wire inside the regulator?
I would like to try to replicate your design to see for myself how hard it is to do, but if i just go off and get an alternator and some magnets off my shelf that look like they fit i will end up with something all together different and it will not prove anything other than one more plan that did not work.
In science journals people only publish the finished product, and not all the ones that did not work. So the next guy comes along trying to improve it and starts all over doing things that do not work spending years and finally comes up with a minor improvement. This process is holding back progress, the only way you speed it up is by trying to find a guy who worked on the first inventon and paying him to consult so you can bypass all the things that did not work, Or make it a public domain project like linux and it moves forward much faster.
If you are trying to bring to market and do all the research for this product your self then secret is a good plan. If you are wanting to make it a public domain project and then become one of many who produce the generator systems and sell them to the 99% of the public that will never build it for themselfs then the more you share the faster the process will move forward. Share what did work along with what did not. You will also have the combined expertise of all thoes who participate.
Rhett
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the alt we use had a jump wire on the inside it was a gm with a se core on the inside i plan to scrap this and build a wind gen i have the parts and will get some of the work done in the am i also will try and see if i can make copper windings i will have to deal with a heat issue but i think i have a solution
the gm cores are ok for testing but i am thinking that if i go the other way and get more power the best i have seen on the wind sites is 3kw i think there may be a way to get more but im not sure as i dont want to stall out when i turn it
as well i am going to cut the main cores in the coil back as i made a slider so i can adjust the position (i still have to use ny tool and fix the corners )
i got 22 - 2 x 10 inch nylon cores for 50 bucks all i have to do is figure out how i want to lay it out before i go and have it milled and drilled
i also need to get my ass in gear to get a rectifier as i want to have this ready in the next week
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Magnacoaster,
Can you do a few simple tests to better understand your system.
Can you get 2 batteries, One to power the motor side and one for the alternator.
I am not sure if your alternator will put out any power with out a battery to get it started. If it will then a car headlight would be great to have connected to the alternator.
Then measure the voltage accross the battery and amps on the motor side, and then the voltage and amps on the alternator side. Pay very close attention to the polarity of the current flow on the alternator side if you have to use the battery. We need to make sure the current is comming OUT of the alternator and not going INTO the alternator powering the field since you have modified the internals. We want to make sure the current is comming out!
Some times a batterys voltage will increase for a short time when loaded, also the spark energy from your points may also be feeding back raising the battery voltage.
Normally the tourque on the alternator shaft required to produce 240 Watts like you believe you are would stop a flyweight motor like you have. If it really is working like you think then I believe the magic is in the alternator and has nothing to do with your motor side.
Rhett
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i made some new parts today that have helped with the power i have other things in my life as well i have to do all day to !
i will be getting some supplies this week and hope to work more on the weekend
i was in and got my rotor cut for the new gen and the ring for the windings
i went and chatted and found kick ass dieods that will take 200 amps each leg
so it can handle 600 amps @ 12 volts.
as i plan to use a setup i saw on the net and it got 3 kw out going to use there plans
i increased the amount of mass ont he flywheel and it made the motor run faster but i need to get some lead so i can add mor onto thew back end.
as well i was in the wind shop and looked at a battery dump i have a old apc here that can handle 50 amps of output @ 14 vols input (they were going to pitch it as the batterys were all dead)
so i need 64 magnets some copper or mumetal for cores and a milling machine for 6 hours oh and best of all i need 800 bucks to put it all in and have it run
thank god for paydays
Richard
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Thats the problem with this OU stuff it really needs more time and money than most of us are able to give.
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Richard, "Princess Auto" in Kitchener has clamp-on meters. I just bought one yesterday. The meters are no longer on sale, but since they have so many, if you ask nicely, they will sell them at the sale price of $18.88 CDN+taxes.
I know that your present design only involves DC currents, so a clamp-on meter won't be of any use. However the windmill generator that you are making produces AC current, and a clamp-on meter might come in handy when you are testing it.
How is the windmill generator project coming along?
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well its been a long weekend my arms are sore and i have the 10 windings done
i got the material for the backplates and got all the holes in and have all the windings mounted.
i am changing all the plates that hold the motor today should be able to
have it up and running by the morning as i have to run out tonight
so i may have to pull a allnighter to get it done
will make a winder in the morning so i can wind pretty coils the .010 wire
required 150 windings per coil with 10 coils and i got a gm rectifier @ 180 amps
12 volts.
will take pictures and keep you posted
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well i have a few coils built and my arms are sore here is a picture of what we are making now
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here is the coil winder i feel like a monkey as well as im outa wire i have the clockwise ones done i have to build counterclockwise next i used 16 so i will have a few amps the last set i would were not uniform so i scraped them the winder and some electric varnish make for a fun time
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Richard,
Is the black wheel with the multiple coils going to be your generator or is it your motor end?
It looks kind of like your motor end with the neo's stacked on the end of the coils.
The white disc in the center is this a magnetic clutch or are you going to put coils around it and make it your generator?
looks interesting.
Rhett
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on the left is the motor the end on the right is the gen set here is a picture of my coils in the oven if ytou do not coat and seal them they will over heat
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here you see the new coils mounted
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ok so i got it all wired what a mess but it runs will have to wait till monday to get the numbers as i donot have a dc amp meter as well as i have things i want to do all weekend
have a good one
Richard
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Excellent work Richard
Look forward to the results.
Regards
Sean.
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Richard,
Any new news on your project?
I am still interested in how you modified your car alternator to get it to start generating at lower rpm's.
Your new generator section looks very nicely built.
Rhett
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well i am building coils now for the new config
Richard
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on the left is the motor the end on the right is the gen set here is a picture of my coils in the oven if ytou do not coat and seal them they will over heat
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2062.0;attach=7496;image)
Those cookies looks good! What a nice pastry. Let me know when you invite us for coils and coffee :)
Br.
Vidar
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Gonna have to build one of these!
Only thing is, it is possible to use JUST magnets, and no wiring of any kind.
Power? the bigger the magnet, the more power you get.
The 2 magnet design i am working on is nearly finished, when it's running i will
gladly post a video.
The problem of the 'sticky point' is solved by using a BIG flywheel, the magnets
have more than enough energy to compensate. (Gaby-your idea of target magnets
is a good one, will let you know when i figure out the positions), Also, i am fresh
out of magnets!
Going to buy some powerful Neo's when i am in England next month... :D
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what you will find is the over lapping feilds will cause deflection this will cause the motor to not run or develope power as we use the switch to channel the power off and on this makes the magents more controlled.
you also want to watch the type of glue that you use as the wrong glue can have you with a hole in a wall or a body part as our unit goes 3800 rpm and with a 1 inch magnet it would kill you if it came loose.
i have posted some videos over at youtube.com under the name Magnacoastermotors for you to see running units we have yet to put the last video on line yet
Richard
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you also want to watch the type of glue that you use as the wrong glue can have you with a hole in a wall or a body part as our unit goes 3800 rpm and with a 1 inch magnet it would kill you if it came loose.
Sounds like you had a bad experience?
i have posted some videos over at youtube.com under the name Magnacoastermotors for you to see running units we have yet to put the last video on line yet
Have you got a self-running unit yet? Or at least a unit that will keep it's own battery charged?
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we had a magnet go and it was parked thank god as it was a small one 10mm it could have been bad as that unit went 32000 rpm
we have a unit here is stable and recharges battery fine we played with gearing
to get the numbers right if i get it back togeather this week ( made a new part )
i will do a new video to show this config running (i post videos on youtube.com)
Richard
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Richard,
Being a windmill builder for many years now, I can assure you that the open core coil pm ALTERNATERS we build and use are only about 48% efficient. Rember also that they are ALTERNATERS, not DC generators; they are rectified to deliver dc current which is then used to charge battery banks. The reason we use them instead of a automotive alternator, is because we can build them bigger, and to produce useable power at lower rpms, plus most windmill users do not have acesss to electricity to provide a current for eciter coils, and to avoid the use of brushes and slip rings.
Looking at your contraption, if that is a standard gm alternator, UNMODIFIED, (ie PM rotor replacing the induction coils) it also is only at best, 48% efficient in good condition. gear driven, much less than that. It needs to turn at about 700 rpm to prduce any usable amperage at 14+ volts and would require some HP (horse power) to do that. one (1) HP= 748 watts, and that's on paper- 100% efficiency, something that has never been achieved with the best electric motor designs.
The windmill type alternators we build with permanent magnets, while you are correct saying they have very little drag when there is NO LOAD on them, have considerable drag when trying to get usable power out of them.
An 8 foot windmill blade, of which we use 3 (giving us about a 16 foot diameter sweep) produces about 5 hp in a 20 MPH wind. that's about 3,700 or so watts , which in turn is used to rotate the alternator giving us at best 15-20 amps at about 18 volts, barely enough to charge up a battery bank, which in turn is hooked up to an inverter which provides a very modest amount of power, barely enough to run a few lights, a tv, a computer, run a water pump once in a while, and other small appliances.
I don't know how you are measuring the current usages in your device, but I know that it is nowhere near unity,self running, never mind producing enough power to turn an alternator and charge a battery. It's probably running off the battery through a reverse current through the coils.
I don't know what you spend so much money on, but I can scrape together enough salvaged parts to built a windmill for about $150 . retifiers you can either take out of scrape alternators, or buy then for a couple bucks.
Another thing I can't understand is why you need to wind a coil "in reverse". Makes no sense at all. You either wire them in series or parallel, using either the "in" or "out" wire. It is also not required to varnish the coils. They are already coated with a clear insulation. It may help them stay together,(so does tape) but it sure won't prevent "heating".
I see you have spent some time reading windmill sites, so you know we cast our stators in resin to hold everything in place. You should also have learned that nothing used in windmill design comes anywhere near unity. All we try to do is make power using the power in the wind.
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we built a flat generator for the fact it was easy to play with we are also in the middle of getting some new wire that will give us 100% more magnatisum in the coil thus we can absorb more for power.
we are using a recifier to change from ac to dc as well as some other tricks we can compound the magnets on the motor as well as the generator.
we can also play with the output voltage and change the wave to get more power. with all the changes and all the new tech. that has been comming out. we also will be making a new controller as well as we have a new battery on the board that should allow us to charge and discharge faster.
we will also be refining the timming system as well that way we can have the unit run faster if we need to or slower if the unit needs to idle.
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For all the money and time you've spent, and lets not forget all the energy wasted baking coils (and possibly melting the coating and making a short) for no good reason ( which causes global warming according to alarmists (which is all bunk)), you could have bought at least 2 windmaster 400 watt windmaster turbines that come complete with a plug in type grid tie inverter, and a built in charge contoller and powerfull charger. All you would have had to do is stick them up in the wind (not on top of your roof) and bought a few batteries for your battery bank.
You could have then bought a new large screen TV and sat down and enjoyed watching it with the free power the windmaster provides.
Or you could have built your own windmills from scratch like we do with the benefit of not having to make the same mistakes we did. and saved even more money.
Everything you needed to know can be found here:
http://www.scoraigwind.com/books/
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Hi all
What about this generator which generates
electricity on rotor as well on as on stator.
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ok i have a question what is the speed this unit needs to run at ?
what is the mass weight ?
whats the voltage and amps it produces ?
whats the clog factor ?
do u have a website where i can see more about this ?
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ok i added a new video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9yW96g8ueo
http://www.youtube.com/magnacoastermotors
5 amps of pull still on the plus side
wahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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@MC
Like the fact that you chucked the alternator and you added an inertia wheell. You should try and make some real measurements by putting your amp meter through the battery + and give the readings on what's going out of the battery - verus what is being loaded on your generator side.
I am doing tests along these lines also although a totally different approach.
Question, you are using the alternator recitifier, but are you also using the original capacitor in place, or just the rectifier? Also, where are you sending your rectifier ground.
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5 amps of pull still on the plus side
What do you mean exactly by this ?
Do you power all from one single 12 Volts car battery
and the battery is charged by 5 amps, so
the current from the battery is negative all in all,
so just only going back to the battery ?
Or where do you power your motor from ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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i added a air pump into the loop infromt of the meter that shows power out to the battery it can pull as high as 10 amps under load as i loaded it up i still got a positive feed to the battery as well as no slowdown in the motor
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You should try and make some real measurements by putting your amp meter through the battery + and give the readings on what's going out of the battery - verus what is being loaded on your generator side.
i have it setup so that it tells whats going in or out to the battery
battery - amp meter - motor + gen
Question, you are using the alternator recitifier, yes its mounted on the plywood
but are you also using the original capacitor
no we did not use this peice
Also, where are you sending your rectifier ground.
we have it isolated off the case with the wireing going to everything due to the em feilds you cannot use a case as ground as thre case its self will need to be grounded as to not charge up positive as the unit runs right now we have wheels on the case to isolate it off the floor as well as i have shoes on so i dont get a shock !
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magnacoaster,
I have problems understanding your setup:
1. Can you confirm, that you drive the motor with the same battery, that
your generator charges ?
2. Is the current coming out of the battery positive or negative ?
( So to speak , do you discharge or recharge the battery all the time,
when the unit runs ?)(if you just use one battery to power it all..and not 2 batteries)
Many thanks.
Stefan.
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Hi Magnacoaster,
Well done, I like the setup!
Are you saying there is 5 amps charge going back into the battery?
Could you find a smaller scale ammeter, say 10 Amps FSD as 60Amps leaves little resolution at the low end, or better still use a clamp ammeter.
Could you set it up as self running from a large 50v capacitor with no battery?
Just apply 12v supply to get it started.
Have you looked at using a solid state relay in place of the points or is the spark from the points critical to this working?
Rob
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ok i have provided a drawing below
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Hi magnacoaster,
so it seems you are just using one battery only ?
So does the 5 amps flow out of the battery or back into the battery ?
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we have the battery charged its taking 2 amps continus
the 5 amps we pulled was on the pump
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Hi MC,
Bit confusing the "pulling" and "taking", no indication of direction?
Can you put it in simple terms i.e.
Battery supply: 12Volts -2.0Amps (charging although the meter shows this as +2amps).
External load: water pump running at 12Volts +5.0 Amps
Rob
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Battery supply:
12Volts -2.0Amps (charging although the meter shows this as +2amps).+
External load:
air pump running at 12Volts +5.0 Amps
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we have the battery charged its taking 2 amps continus
the 5 amps we pulled was on the pump
So that means, although you drive a pump with 5 amps from the same battery
and you also power the motor for the drive device,
the ampmeter shows -(minus) 2 amps directly at the pluspole of the battery,
so indeed the battery is recharged all the time by the device
and additionally operating the pump and the motor ?
Is this correct ?
Regards, Stefan.
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ok i think you all are not seeing it
i get 2 amps out to the battery (it keeps it toped)
i ran a air pump and it showed no discharge from the battery
it bulled about 5 amps i put it in front of the meter that was hooked to the battery
so no there was no use of the battery just a recharge
i also found a place to wind my new coils they have a winder
and figure it can make 12 within a hour this way they will all be
the same size and thickness
as well i have made a new drive wheel i went looking for a
electronic sensor but have not found one that will do
50,000 opens a minute
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@MC
I think what hartiberlin really wants to know is what we all want to know, and the information you are suppying is non-conclusive of anything (to us) until it is clearly understood.
Example, when giving voltages, you never really have 12 volts, it's always 12 point something. A battery is rarely at 12 on the dot. Also, amperage at 2, it never really 2 but 2.XX. Also, the air pump is at 12 volts and not 12.XX and the amps is never 5 but 5.XX. Unless the 12v 5A is what is written on the pump label as its rated voltage and amperage. So if the air pump is not loaded or not pumping anything, the pump is not drawing 5 amps, but mostly 1 or 2. The amps rating is under load and under load, air pumps will draw current and warm up like anything else.
So from what I am understanding, you are running an air pump, maybe unloaded and it is drawing 1 or 2 amps (maybe not 5), and the generator is devellopping 2 amps. So the gain/loss potential is very small and with a 12 volt car battery, it could take a long time for the battery to lower in voltage if it is in a small loss situation.
Lastly, you are not mentioning the current draw from your two coil drive motor section
or if the battery is running this also.
Sorry to be such a pain or sound negative but all I am trying to do is give you an understanding of what it takes to show people exactly what is happening with your device in a concrete manner so as not to create any possibility of misunderstandings. regardless of where you wisht o show your device, the better you convey your comments and results, the less time you will spend trying to explain yourself afterwards.
I have made a small diagram to show you what I mean. If your set-up is similiar or close, you can do as follows,
1) Set the air pump pressure using an outlet valve so that is will not fluctuate while you take your readings.
2) Take amperage readings at A, B, C and D.
3) Take voltage readings at V1, V2 and V3.
This should be enough to calculate any OU potential. Now if the calculation winds up that the gain or loss is so small. Then it would have to be run for X hours to confirm.
All the best and good work.
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any news on this thing??
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well i tore it all apart and made it from scratch its all made from nylon as well as a new genorator head and bigger magnets i just have to get it all back togeather on the weekend so i can see what the output will be
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ok we have done more testing and have a new plan as of right now
input voltage to motor
12 vdc @ 1.5 amps
output from motor circuit
200 vac @ 2.5 amps
this gives us a 2700 % increase
we have reached unity
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I cannot belive anything of this.
Your statements clearly show faulty measurements.
You haven't really shown how you have performed you measurements nor have you measured
the input vs output voltage and current waveforms on a oscilloscope neither have you used certified instruments.
This clearly show that you haven't got a clue how electrical measurements are made.
Do you really belive that you have 2700% more output than input whithout questioning your own results without
any doubt or asked for professional certification? Then you are not fit to belong in this forum.
Basic Rules:
1: Don't make judgements yourselves on your results. Let professionals judge them.
2: Show exactly how you made your measurements in every little detail. Unless this is made your reports stink.
3: You should really take some lessons in electrical physics in how to make correct measurements and how to present them.
4: Most important. Make a self runner capable of doing some heavy work besides being a self runner. Show professionals your setup.
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I cannot belive anything of this.
Your statements clearly show faulty measurements.
i did not do my own measurements we had it done by the university
You haven't really shown how you have performed you measurements nor have you measured
the input vs output voltage and current waveforms on a oscilloscope neither have you used certified instruments.
his instraments were certified and we checked them before and after
This clearly show that you haven't got a clue how electrical measurements are made.
well i seem to be the one who has done this and he agreed (prof) with me there was 12 vdc @ 1.5 amps in
and 200 vac @ 2.5 out as we need to have a way to make sure if the battery explodes it can be contained
as well as we need to do more testing to see how to get the most from the voltage
it was running @ 5 nano seconds betweeen waves this was fast power
Do you really belive that you have 2700% more output than input whithout questioning your own results without any doubt or asked for professional certification?
we will be going back within a few weeks as we all need time to digest what we have found as well as to get a handle on a way to slow the wave down and convert the power to useable DC
Then you are not fit to belong in this forum.
you are mister grumpy i see
Basic Rules:
1: Don't make judgements yourselves on your results. Let professionals judge them.
did that
2: Show exactly how you made your measurements in every little detail. Unless this is made your reports stink.
i will be doing this
3: You should really take some lessons in electrical physics in how to make correct measurements and how to present them.
why so they can teach me why it would never work (i have changed a few text books)
4: Most important. Make a self runner capable of doing some heavy work besides being a self runner. Show professionals your setup.
with a change in the windings and some parts we can get 100 amps @ 200 acv out and only put in 12 volts can you do it ?
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@Ergo
Relax will yeh already. No need to blast your horn. MC has been working very hard on his device(s) for months and months now and is showing it here and deserves some recognition. What he made did not materialize out of thin air.
Look at his previous set-up. That small motor on the right is turning that heavy inertia wheel in the center that is turning a chain gear coupled to his generator. The gears are I'd say 3:1 (3 turns of prime mover to 1 turn of generator). The 3:1 ratio matched to the inertia wheel produces alot of energy onto the generator. It seems he is also using a switching system to reduce BEMF on the generator but I could be wrong. Alot of this is Tesla. Everything is slim and not much room for wasted energy as heat developed in a standard generator. The only waste will be the chain gears friction. I don't see any capacitor(s) that could help in capturing BEMF.
@MC
You said "we have reached unity".
That's overunity if you ask me.
Good work man. It must have taken hours and days just to balance those wheels, let alone work your components into them. Fantastic work indeed. A true creator and great precision.
Please describe to us your new set-up or a photo and if possible try to explain how the university was measuring your results. Did they make a block diagram of the set-up and show where and how the measurements were made? See my previous post above.
I saw your other Youtubes, Good work. I know you are excited as we can sense your very exuberant attitude. Keep your good spirit.
A good proof is using a battery, showing that power never goes down and lighting up x watts of light bulbs showing voltage and amperage for x hours. This is a winner. Even better is looping the ouput power back to the prime mover off of a small 12V-4A battery while llighting up some bulbs. The smaller the battery, the better is the proof. Or even looping straight if the system can cut it. You may need an small AC//DC transformer to do this since the out/in voltages may not concur.
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Sorry but I'd really like some proof this time instead of just hearing the same story over and over
from some guy here that reports OU and then there is silence when we ask for validation.
And 2700% OU sound just to good to be true, and so far OU has never been true when tested for real.
I encourage you Magnacoaster to really prove your setup with real data and documents on your design
so it can be replicated and verified by other members at this forum of Overunity.
If you indeed have got "real" overunity then I'm really sorry for flaming you.
In this case you should have the Nobelprise and congratulations from the whole wide world.
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Which university conducted the measurements and what was the student or prof's name? We can easily contact them for a more technical discription of how the measurements were made and what equipment was used to measure.
Just an idea,
~Dingus Mungus
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Hi Magnetocaster,
could you please do the following test and upload a new youtube video ?
Please connect ampmeter after battery and voltmeter across battery and film it while running your unit and then put two 100 Watts incandescent light bulbs
in series to your output and show us, that they light up from the 12 Volts x 1.5 amps input.
Let this run for at least 3 minutes..
Many thanks.
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within the next 2-3 weeks i will be in my NEW lab we will be streaming video from there
i will then hook up cameras More then 2 as well as other equipment for all to see
due to the fact that the motor is putting 200 volts into a 12 volt battery
the bang as the battery explodes will be big (thus why im not running it at the moment)
Richard
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You can step down the output voltage by leaving it as AC run it through a transformer and then rectify it. With a standard 120v-12v 10:1 step down from 200v@2.5a would give you a 20v@25a which would work well on a AGM battery as they are much more efficient at retaining large amperage pulsed recharges.
Just another idea!
~Dingus Mungus
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@MC
Usually you will not be able to charge more than 20% of the battery rated amperage. So if you have a 100 amp battery, you can charge up to 20 amps x 12V = 240 watts. But that is a good problem to have.
I have a question for you. Is it possible to re-wire your generator so it produces only DC. This way you can charge your battery and use DC bulbs as load and you are not losing any power resulting from the conversions of AC to DC. There is always a loss. But then again if you are producing 2100 watts, this may not be that much of a concern.
If you have a photo of your new build, please post it.
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MC,
I have attached a simplified schematic.
Please explain the questionmarks to us. Is it correct?
Did you measured Stefans Amps and voltages?
Thanks! It is great work!
Dani
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ok just to post a stupid question....
first of all though, this is spectacular i really hope that this turns out to be true OU because the idea seems great and MC seems like a pretty cool guy for posting all of this here.
Ok the question, will you be posting the design plans and layout for others to replicate? Or are you going to attempt to patent and keep it closed source as things progress... i really hope not, im so sick of cool projects going underground to never be heard of again its saddening and i'd really love to be able to replicate something like this and say hey this actually worked.
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@dani1
The picture you are referring too has been outdated many months ago. MC had since migrated to his new design shown on Page 7, reply #64, but I think even this picture does not show some of his most recent workovers.
MC comes in, goes out for a while and comes back on and off as his project progresses. But you can see his progression is positive and he is using great ideas.
@cchance
Definitely not a stupid question. This goes to the heart of the intent of the inventor which from my standpoint up to now is one of open source, otherwise disclosing this info and progression here and on youtube thus far has no purpose in a closed intent.
The more people that know about this device the better. Eventually I am sure there will be plans but in any case, if there is a positive third party OU report, he can easilly make and sell the plans so he can re-coup his time and effort. Maybe even sell it in parts like Ikea.
@MC
I hope you are making copies of your build plans and have them held with many people of confidence.
Also, if you plan to go back to the university, ask them in advance how much time they are going to alot for their testing and what calibrated instruments they HAVE on hand. If it is only an hour or so, your testing protocal must be geared to get right to the point using the smallest battery possible. If they plan to keep it runing for several hours, then you have more leaway in what types of testing can be made. Think of this very carefully and in advance. Try and eliminate all possible surprises (battery dead, spare parts in case of a bad short circuit, spare coils, etc.). Lots of tests get blown off because of bad preplanning. Take pictures or a video. Make a drawing of their testing bench, showing test points and instrument settings, etc.
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Are we nearing that place where MC, his videos and website all disappear, and we are left without the critical information necessary for replication?
Why, oh why -- if and when people really have something -- don't they take the time and effort to present the important details so that even an idiot like me could build one? Or has MC done that and I'm just too stupid to see it? Or is this as good as it gets: a confusing box of wheels and stuff? ???
j
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Are we nearing that place where MC, his videos and website all disappear, and we are left without the critical information necessary for replication?
Why, oh why -- if and when people really have something -- don't they take the time and effort to present the important details so that even an idiot like me could build one? Or has MC done that and I'm just too stupid to see it? Or is this as good as it gets: a confusing box of wheels and stuff? ???
j
There will be no more of the good stuff simply because he does probably not have overunity.
Magnacoaster want us to believe that his machine is capable OU but it's most certainly not unless he makes a self runner.
If he had 2700% overunity then it would be a simplest task in the world to create a self runner.
He cannot say that you need "this and that" to make it run and that it prevents it to self run. It's simply not true!
1) Connect a generator to the output shaft.
2) Connect the generator output to an AC-DC power supply with proper output voltage fitting the needs of the motor.
3) Connect the AC-DC output to the input of the motor by a diode.
4) Kick start the motor-generator setup by an external power source.
5) Disconnect the external power source when the motor has reached it's nominal speed.
6) Connect external extra loads at the generator output (Bulbs, resistors) to show the OU capacity of the setup.
7) Now you have a self runner. Every excuse to avoid this setup is bullshit from the inventor and his device is not OU.
Iv'e been reading many posts here at OU forum for a while now and I'm still amazed from the lack of basic electrical understanding.
Over and over some guy reports OU without having a clue how to perform accurate measurements.
And this guy is always wrong and his device is crap. I don't hope Magnacoaster belong in that category. :(
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Ergo:
I don't hope Magnacoaster belong in that category.
Nor do I. He seems very sincere, and has put a lot of time and work into his project; which is what makes it so puzzling as to why the extra little addition you have stated above is not done immediately upon thinking one might have an OU device. He certainly has the skill and means.
Perhaps it is a cognitive dissonance, were we will jump through every hoop but the simple one that will prove our machine a OU success or not. We would rather use up as much time as possible hoping it is, than close the loop and find it is not.
I hope Magnacoaster, the greatest success.
j
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I hope Magnacoaster, the greatest success.
j
Me to, but I encourage Magnacoaster to make the self runner we all want.
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In my opinion MCs setup is just like the electromagnetic wankel of the Tom Bearden website at http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/jap/fig8a.jpg with an attached generator.
Am i right?
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Who knows?
It's almost impossible to tell from the few pictures on the net.
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input voltage to motor
12 vdc @ 1.5 amps
output from motor circuit
200 vac @ 2.5 amps
Hi Magnacoaster.
Have you performed any oscilloscope measurements of the 200VAC output?
How does the waveform look? I'd like to know the shape, duration, rise time and voltage level of the output?
Please post a picture if possible.
I don't get the thing about putting back the output to the battery? This sounds very strange to me.
In a motor/generator design there should be an input to the system and an output of the generated voltage.
Why do you try to direct the output back into the battery????? This makes no sense.
Wouldn't it be easier to just rectify the output and then dump it into a resistor to calculate the efficiency.
When rectifying you should use a large capacitor to smooth the output to get accurate voltage readings.
Input = volt x current
Output = volt x volt / resistor value
Efficiency = Output / Input
I belive this could clear things up regarding the gain of your design! And it's easy for people to understand.
If your measurements show overunity, then please make a self runner as suggested to finally prove your design.
All you need is an AC-DC converter to fit the 200VAC output voltage to 12VDC input voltage. I can help you with this.
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just to put your minds to rest i am alive and well
Back in the lab today and on this test we had a pull of 10 amps @ 200 volts ac
out we were looking at the unit with a scopeand as you can see these are the numbers
as well i will be adding stuff as we go along so you can all be up to date
this picture was off the coil with a load of 10 amps on the rectified voltage it is
taking 12 volts @ 1.5 amps dc
we had a failure as the wire we have in the coil could not handle the amps
we burned out the coil in a few places (new coil back in the box and back in running)
we did not intend to draw off 10 amps it just was stuck in that spot on the slide adjustment
Richard
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Thanks for the feedback.
The scope picture looks kind of interesting.....???
It shows that the output is 350V top to top and triangular at 1.6Mhz.
This also proves that your output measurements of 200V is correct.
The RMS value of 350V AC triangular = 350 / sqrt3 = 350 / 1.73 = 202V RMS
But I'm puzzled by the 1.6Mhz of the AC frequency.
No motor/generator setup I know of could produce such high frequencies.
1.6Mhz would mean RPMs in the range of many millions, which of course is impossible.
There must be some other device rather than a motor/generator setup in your design
that generates these high frequencies? Do you care to tell us? Please!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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we have changed the setup and removed the generator as this power is taken from the feed to the motor after it fires the motor starts with clean DC on startup within 60 seconds running changes to a ac wave seems my drive i created for the motor is also a generator as well we had to add a few diodes in the right spot so we can pull off the power
below is a shot with no load
Richard
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we have changed the setup and removed the generator as this power is taken from the feed to the motor after it fires the motor starts with clean DC on startup within 60 seconds running changes to a ac wave seems my drive i created for the motor is also a generator as well we had to add a few diodes in the right spot so we can pull off the power
below is a shot with no load
Richard
Hi.
Nice of you to provide the information but could you put it into recognizable electrical terms so the readers
at this forum can follow and understand your progress. Please use sentences with points to make it more readable.
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I would have to agree, only I would use different words.
@Magna
The modifications you have made to your AC motor sound extreamly interesting. I'm pleased to see you are taking propper steps in power measurement, but now is a good time for independent varification and open sourceing your work. This will allow for many builders to work with the design, verify over unity in the system, perhaps find other advantages or advance the design with new insight. If its showing any form of excess power any of those things could benifit all of humanity! I hope your experiments are going well for you, and that you make more detailed information available here. I for one would really like to attempt this 3 phase motor modification myself. I have a theory that you like many others recently have stumbled on to something related to the resonant/harmonic frequencies of your device, namely your stator coils.
~Dingus Mungus
P.S. Pictures and diagrams will help us greatly.
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Hello all,
I made a replication of the pulse-motor, magnacoaster is probably using. See the video at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMKJxgkxXps
Seems to be easy, I have to attach a generator to see if there is any ou.
..dani
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I got some bad news for you all....perhaps!?!?.
I found this file "plan.pdf" at my inbox from a newbie calling herself "greengirl".
She have never posted any replies or logged in more than once according to the statistics.
The mail along with the file told me it would give me some insight into Magnacoasters motive.
When reading the file I get the feeling that Magnacoaster wants money, and LOTS of it.
Myself I don't like seeing hungry money plans from a company that does not tell you
anything of real use about their "Free Energy" invention. Feels like the classic scam.
You can read it for yourselves. I have attached it to this reply.
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That PDF looks like old plans... or might they be mass-producing portable generators yet as stated in page 7? :P
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It's just another proof of scam. If they indeed had a working technology when they wrote
this they wouldn't need this much money. An now at this late stage they are trying to boost
their falling reputation by reporting extreme overunity numbers here at OU forum.
Hey, c'mon. They are of course first class scam artists. Stop dreaming and focus on presumably
working OU technologies, like Paul Sprains new big Wankel motor and the Hilden-Brand motor.
They are openminded and don't try to hide to much of their tech. It's pretty straight forward.
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I am aware of many promising technologies with practically transparent development methods over these forums, so what would be the point on scamming through obscurity *in here*?
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I got some bad news for you all....perhaps!?!?.
I found this file "plan.pdf" at my inbox from a newbie calling herself "greengirl".
She have never posted any replies or logged in more than once according to the statistics.
The mail along with the file told me it would give me some insight into Magnacoasters motive.
When reading the file I get the feeling that Magnacoaster wants money, and LOTS of it.
Myself I don't like seeing hungry money plans from a company that does not tell you
anything of real use about their "Free Energy" invention. Feels like the classic scam.
You can read it for yourselves. I have attached it to this reply.
Hmm, it seems he has "$" signs in his eyes, so he can?t really see
what is needed.
There was not yet any conclusive measurement presented, that really shows, that
his unit is really overunity...
In his youtube videos one could really not see,if his device
produced more output than input.
So if they don?t want to go opensource and will patent this,
there is no reason to support them over here.
We are really looking here for the open source free energy
alternative.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi all:
Well, here we go again. Do any of you know the person that dumped the pdf? Only one post and then gone. You do have vids and posts of what he is really doing. I am inclined to see that file as no proof of anything. Hell, I could set up that kind of business proposal in a few minutes. Does he even have such a company name? All to blurry to me.
Until I see more, I am still open on this one. Let the coaster make the move, time will tell the truth of it all.
thaelin
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gyula reply#2,from March 09,2007 and the link :
www.magnacoaster.com/magna/
The business plan,if real, is not the problem(such nice "overestimated" numbers,lovely)
cause everybody can ,for personal use, legal replikate the commercial model(l) !
Free exposition is open source !
S
dL
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I looked in my webbmail connected to my account and there was a path to the attached plan.pdf
www.puterdudes.ca/rdw/plan.pdf
Here is the account of greengirl.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=6045
Perhaps this can help you guys to find the person who sent this to me......
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>:(
If you went to their site, you can expect a ton of spam as it is nothing more than a bot site. As in harvester.
cheers
sugra
look at the page source
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well i want to thank her as i have pulled the file down it was the first plan we had yes im in this for the money as well as to get the unit into use in public
sure i would love to give you all the plans so you can make 25 but i think the millions we will make will help make the world a greener place and that maybe we can get the green house gasses under control .
its about the enviroment and where we are all going is it not ?? and you know to get money you have to offer a profit so that you can get a invester to give you money !
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Magnacoaster, with all due respect, seriously, if I advertised a no fuel, OU device to power your home, but did not have a valid closed-loop system to openly present, how trustworthy and credible would I be in your eyes? and how soon would I expect you to wire money into my account?
Until something new is presented, my sense is that you are an honorable and sincere man, who is suffering from delusion. Generally, to some extent, we all are afflicted with this condition.
j
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and you know to get money you have to offer a profit so that you can get a invester to give you money !
Yes, but this will not work with a revolutionary new energy system, cause you will be shut down
by the oil companies....
So you need to open source it and make money from being famous....!
But most inventors unfortunately don?t understand this...
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Indeed, if once y'all can get a reproducible model out in open source, yer bound to git all the speaking engagements ye can handle.
Question is, could ye afford the bodyguards?
I'd take the opprtunity.
Turtle
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I'm happy to provide their original plan. It will not be removed.
If so, I will upload it again for people to read.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2062.msg42466.html#msg42466
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If it's green $$ in the inventor(s) eyes.
There are quite a few contest that can be found on the web from a few thousand to the millions of producing a device, as claimed.
This to me is when advances in humanity, maybe over come by greed. There are supposed claims of devices that would of replaced the combustion engine, but the devices never made it to market, with suspected pay offs to the inventor. I hope if this claim is true that it does not follow the same path.
personally,
I would prefer to keeping this invention open source, for peace of mind. With having a couple of dozen to a couple of hundred people that can replicate claims of a free energy built device, would allow me to sleep more peaceful at night.
I think we all forget that a device that would upset the supply and sale of gas, coal, and electricity would put billions at risk.
So to only keep this information to myself, would be like having to carry a multi-million dollar winning lottery ticket, but instead of carrying it for a day/weekend, I would have to carry it for month's/year's before cashing in. While watching my back every time I left the house.
Hell, If you didn't profit from such a device, I would be disappointed to the extent that if I did have a working machine, I would guarantee you there would be a check for $1000 sent the next day after installation.
anyway's keep us posted with your progress....
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I'll give you 20,000.00 cash usd if you can show me without a doubt that its ou. And I get to test it, until I am satisfied. Better yet I'll offer you a partnership in manufacturing them.
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hi magnacoaster, do your business. there is nothing wrong in earning money through cleverness!!! Thanks for your assistance.
Be aware, that it is dangerous business, done by an individual only! (many lobbies fighting) and there are more important goals than earning money! (honesty, humanitarity, etc.) Personality is even more important than cleverness! Means nobody should cheat another one. Having good principles and stay to them even when this has disadvantages. And as universal/noble the motivation is, as long satisfaction lasts. Of course, earning money is important and comfortable for living in these days. In an euphoria we are much more willing to forget the rest. But remember, world is good and (very) bad at the same time. Everybody will always be confrontaded with both sides in everything he does. This is for sure. Success depends on a good strategy.
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hi magnacoaster, do your business. there is nothing wrong in earning money through cleverness!!! Thanks for your assistance.
Be aware, that it is dangerous business, done by an individual only! (many lobbies fighting) and there are more important goals than earning money! (honesty, humanitarity, etc.) Personality is even more important than cleverness! Means nobody should cheat another one. Having good principles and stay to them even when this has disadvantages. And as universal/noble the motivation is, as long satisfaction lasts. Of course, earning money is important and comfortable for living in these days. In an euphoria we are much more willing to forget the rest. But remember, world is good and (very) bad at the same time. Everybody will always be confrontaded with both sides in everything he does. This is for sure. Success depends on a good strategy.
Your'e truly a newbie, that's for sure. ;D
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Hi Magnacoaster,
I have no problem with you ideals and profit motivation. I do have a problem with trying to raise 60 million without independent validation, hard data or a patent. If you have what you claim, it would be valued well over 3 billion in licence fees (USD)
With independent validation, hard data, the ammount you need to raise is rather small.
I am not sure why you wish to manufacture as its best to licence out the technology to others who have the resources to ramp it up much faster, and to engineer it for many other applications
Being a member of the NEC I can organise an independent test. I fly around the world and work in new energy fields. I will be in Canada and the states later this month (I already have had 34 flights this year) and can organise a professional validation of your technology. Happy to sign NDA and can supply references as I work with many labs and organisations.
I do wish you the best
Mark
Australia
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@MC
Had I known you were in Kitchener, I could have contacted you this week as I passed near your area.
Your pdf file should never have been made public so be careful of those around you. Be also attentive to the fact that inventors will ALWAYS be hit with the "I am God" syndrome, (Does save the world - save the world sound familiar) and your entourage will be struck with Gold Fever Syndrome. Yes you are not any different if you and those around you are human.
So you will pound the investment pavement, running the investor forums, demos, demos, demos, negotaions with so many money people, with hope going up and down, up and down, and after all that, when you have gotten tired of "the game", someone will come by and offer you x dollars for 51% of the business because you decided to start to big. Then the 51% shareholder will do all he can to make your life miserable and hopefully eventually kick you out. Wihout you, the business will maybe fail and another OU device will bite the dust.
You can have an easier life if you go small, get a starter investment for 20% or 30% of the business but the investor must be hands on. Get the ball rolling and once you have around 100 units working for over 6 months, you will be ready for second level investment and you will command both a much better price and much better control. Plus everytime you guys offer some shares everyones shares will be dilluted including the first investors, so you are all in the same boat, each with an oar.
But when are you guys going to realize that keeping this device open source does not detract from the money potential. On the contrary. If your device requires some special parts, you can make and supply these but leaving it open source will push the tech around the world much faster then trying to find one money man and keeping everything under super control. No matter how hard you try to keep this under wraps, people will make it, companies will try to make it and sell it, so whatever you do, the wave will be much too big for any one person to surf on alone. You are better off open source. But again this is your choice. I just would ask one question. If you are not going open source, why have you come here, shown videos on youtube, shown your device working, shown the progression of changes, etc. Unless of course what you have shown and what you eventually offer will be totally different, but I doubt it. So why come here in the first place. Don't you know that by putting your device in the publics eye, you have put your chances of patenting and keeping it under wraps to detriment. So why?
I can tell you that the investor circuit is cold, cold and oh soooooooo cold. If you have a heart, you will despise this. Money, money, money and only money. That's all they think of. Screw the world and screw even you too is their motto. All they think of is were's the profit. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. The day they see things slowing down, they'll pull the carpet under you in a flash saying, "It is the only smart thing to do".
@all
Who here is ready tommorrow morning to make a unit if MC puts up the plans. How many of you can machine parts? One or two of you. Common. Do you know how long it will take you to make his device.
Since this is a learning OU forum, just design and make your own. What MC has shown here is that an inertia wheel has much more energy coming out of it then the energy required to maintain the momentum. The weight of the wheel, the speed of rotation, the reduced speed of the generator rotation (2:1 or 3:1 gear ratio) all make for a good OU system. Someone else showed the same thing with his small dc motors. I will try the same with a heavy metal wheel on my RV set-up and see what happens. Why not?
If you review Tesla's patent number 511,916 (thanks Erf), he explains in rather unusual details the effects of drag and means to overcome it if both the PM and Alt are well adjusted in terms of their resonance. Actually , this patent goes into much more detail on this subject than any of his others I have reviewed. Other Tesla patents are also in line with MC's device and have been around for over 100 years. Hello...........
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I'm a ex-machinist who makes quite a nice living in the IT field now. I could probably replicate in a week if all data is given and I could obtain all the same materials. If I had to work out alt materials... Maybe a month or two. The funny part is I wouldn't bother at this juncture... What would be the point unless his device measured as truely OU??? It hasn't doen that yet. It seems some members don't grasp that yet. There has been no firm measurements on CoP!
~Dingus Mungus
P.S. I'm really digging our newest member Mark Dansie. Thank you for taking part in our experiment, I hope we can mutually benifit each other in this hunt for an energy answer. Just wanted to say thanks. Good luck and glad to have ya aboard.
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Hello all.
I was contacted again by the so called "greengirl" that provided the link to Magnacoasters business plan.
She left me an email with some more information. You can read for it yourselves. I pasted it below.
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You have just been sent a personal message by greengirl on free energy Free energy overunity forum Freie Energie Tesla.
IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email.
The message they sent you was:
I did indeed send you that file. I didn't mean to disappear afterwards, but alas - I got very busy.
I thought, with your skepticism, that you'd enjoy the plan... in particular the poorly written, poorly spelled plan.
Magnacoaster has a reputation for being a scam artist - into get-rich-quick schemes and looking for any way to make a buck. It can be from looking for investors for half cocked ideas like this, to suing someone for having a slippery sidewalk. He's uneducated, unemployed, has had several failed businesses and is a deadbeat dad (NEVER has he paid child support to the mothers of his numerous kids).
Trust me. I know this man. And I also know the extent he'd go to to retaliate against me if he knew who I was - hence I prefer to stay silent in the background... but people deserve to be warned.
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I think this claryfies the intention of Magnacoaster. He is of course scamming us and his investers, no doubt about that.
Regarding "greengirl" I prefer to thrust her instead of the extreme OU shouting Magnacoaster with no proof what so ever.
Magnacoaster fits perfectly in the definition "Free Energy Scam Artist".
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bla bla bla
she is a relative that has problems with drugs and the law
i have kids all with the same person but green likes to play games
am i working ?
yes most people do that
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Now that is totally gross.
So I guess this is end of story.
Chock another one up for frauds. Getting to be a habit.
But here, us guys cannot know this in advance. I think we trust each other enough and when someone comes in, we look to extend them the same courtesy. It's part of having such an open source forum. We are also open to sours. Rough stuff. That explains when he said he brought it into a university for testing and he did not give any more precisions when we asked him. Touch?.
OK - Now back to work.
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Hello all, its time I chime in for my .02 cents worth...
MC it seems like you are on the right track and would like to see more.
I have to agree with others though that the best way to recoup your money is to "sell Paper" ie; sell non exclusive rights to build one or two copies of up to 5-10 kw in size. and possibly sell a basic parts kit. To date there have only been two patents that have been completely defended, but at the cost of millions. Your best bet is to copyright what you have, and sell plans/ licenses.
Ergo What is your problem? The plan your trying to trash MC over is merely a business plan, projecting what would be needed to produce a modest quantity of his machines. Truthfully $66,000,000.00 is but a spit in the bucket.
Assuming this design is solid and works as claimed, he is making plans for the future.
A scammers business plan looks something like this:
1) Collect money & underpants
2)mumble mumble something vague?????
3)Viola! Profit!
How much money have you lost in investments with MC so far? None I would bet.
You need to have a coke and a smile and STFU.
As for those of you who don't understand directional ammeters like MC is using, they are very inexpensive and quite useful. You should go buy one and play with it.
Kind regards,
zatheros
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And who are you to defend Magnacoster? And this is your first post...I feel you registered here just for this post!
Hey, c'mon. You are probably in cahoots with magnacoaster and now you are trying to turn the tide.
Face it. Magnacoaster is a fraud. There is no doubt about it. And he really fits the scamming business.
Lot's of vague reports and promises and no proof of his claims. His electrical knowledge lacks all basic skills.
Regarding the money, I haven't lost any myself but surely there's lots of other naive people that has.
It's no accident that nobody have ever been able to get overunity from any machine....ever.....
So why should a plain uneducated guy just go and invent 2700% overunity, and this afterwards he has composed his money plan.
You'd better go back to the hole where you came from ZathEros. Don't try to turn the tide. Magnacoaster is history.
Sorry if I offended somebody else besides Magnacoaster and ZathEros.
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bla bla bla
she is a relative that has problems with drugs and the law
i have kids all with the same person but green likes to play games
am i working ?
yes most people do that
you really are clueless aren't you?
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Hehehe! ;D
Magnacoaster is toast. 8)
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well thanks tell me more !
i am sorry have to get back to work
maybe you need to go and read all the the tesla info
http://www.tesla.hu/
or can you read ?
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bla bla bla
she is a relative that has problems with drugs and the law
i have kids all with the same person but green likes to play games
am i working ?
yes most people do that
you really are clueless aren't you?
@Greengirl
Would you mind,doing your private War at Home.
I guess,that nobody cares about the History of Magnacoaster.
If he is presenting his useable Free Energy Mashine to us,we will
open all doors to him.
At least i dont care,weather he was in prison or not.
The same is about child support.
If the law with you,you will get everything you need from him.
If Magnc. keeps the Key to free Energy in his Hands,than he is a really
importand Person.
If he is succsessfull with his konstruktion,than he will
have enough incame to pay for his duty.
We don t need destruktion in this Forum
helmut
It does not help you to destrukt his Image.
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well i want to thank her as i have pulled the file down it was the first plan we had yes im in this for the money as well as to get the unit into use in public
sure i would love to give you all the plans so you can make 25 but i think the millions we will make will help make the world a greener place and that maybe we can get the green house gasses under control .
its about the enviroment and where we are all going is it not ?? and you know to get money you have to offer a profit so that you can get a invester to give you money !
Please stop the flamewars over here.
If MC is in for the money as he says,
I would suggest, not to invest any money, until MC puts up a real good
public demo, where one can really see, that it puts out overunity energy or is a selfrunner.
Otherwise this is an open source energy forum and so devices which
are not put into the open source are not very welcome here...
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@ Magnacoaster,
What is purpose of the friction clutch in your generator in your first build? If your generator section has no back torque due to load this is not required. This will cause losses in power in my opinion.
IF you are serious and have a working model, post us some build instructions and let us help you perfect it and/or test it, it will still be yours (open source) but will give you credence with investors since you will have independent validation of your design. You could even pick and choose who you provide the designs to here at OU in order to limit your exposure if you are worried about losing rights.
@all
For those who do not know what a friction clutch is, it is typically used in minibikes and go karts and will not engage until a certain RPM level. It can be tweaked by adjusting its springs, (centrifical force is what is used to cause it to engage).
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we had been asked by a investor to put a load on the motor so we used the clutch
to build up speed then bring on the alt.
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with a change in the windings and some parts we can get 100 amps @ 200 acv out and only put in 12 volts can you do it ?
no haha, your kung fu is clearly better as mine. :D
Maybe you can let us know how we are doing on the magnetic flux switching topic.
my thanks in advance.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3025.msg44360.html
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we had been asked by a investor to put a load on the motor so we used the clutch
to build up speed then bring on the alt.
OK, that makes sense. How about the other question I brought up?
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Please stop the flamewars over here.
Why don't you click the delete button? Or do you think it's just the Vatican editing wikipedia (http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2007/s2006972.htm)? ha-ha??
Lets look here?
hi magnacoaster, do your business. there is nothing wrong in earning money through cleverness!!! Thanks for your assistance.
Be aware, that it is dangerous business, done by an individual only! (many lobbies fighting) and there are more important goals than earning money! (honesty, humanitarity, etc.) Personality is even more important than cleverness! Means nobody should cheat another one. Having good principles and stay to them even when this has disadvantages. And as universal/noble the motivation is, as long satisfaction lasts. Of course, earning money is important and comfortable for living in these days. In an euphoria we are much more willing to forget the rest. But remember, world is good and (very) bad at the same time. Everybody will always be confrontaded with both sides in everything he does. This is for sure. Success depends on a good strategy.
Your'e truly a newbie, that's for sure. ;D
How is this not rude? In any way it's not informative, it's nonsense. You are posting nonsense Ergo, why are you making me read nonsense??
And who are you to defend Magnacoster? And this is your first post...I feel you registered here just for this post!
.....there is nothing you have posted that even remotely interests me. You are not looking at anything given to you but you are looking for a way to debunk it. For your information: The world is owned by a hand full of bankers. I know you really feel sorry for them but IMHO it's nonsense. You invest your money, I invest mine. I don't need you to babysit my investments for me?? I know you feel sorry for the millionaire's but it's the biggest bullshit I ever hear. ROFL!!
No one knows how M$-Windos works either, they stance it out of plastic for 10 cents per pop. That we do know. Lets just buy it ok?
I'm sorry but I have to assume you are here to post as much bull as possible. I have bothered to read your postings before making this acusation. I have now exposed your scam. References to kissing OU goodbye, the real world, heck you even write about eating magnets. Thanks for waisting our time you deserve much credit for it. It was quite a sadening read.
This is good for you.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5300142475723291102
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I have repaired the links magnacoaster posted. No one else noticed they didn't work? And you guys claim you want to understand what he is doing? O_O I was already so confused....
It's...It's.. a pulse motor! LOL!! You have all seen at least a dozen of those. What is so hard to understand about it? Is the thought it really works so indigestable to you guys?
here are the links i have been using
http://www.windstuffnow.com/main/gm_alt_mod.htm
<A HREF="http://www.ecoinnovation.co.nz/product.php?group=8">((Product Page))EcoInnovation.co.nz</A>
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<A HREF="http://www.allstarmagnetics.com/contact/quote_order.asp">Allstar Magnetics, Inc. - Quote-Order Form</A>
<A HREF="http://www.bergey.com/">Bergey Windpower Co., the world's leading supplier of small wind turbines</A>
<A HREF="http://www.coldelectricity.info/">Blank</A>
<A HREF="http://bluegiant.com/contact.html">Blue Giant Equipment Corporation</A>
<A HREF="http://www.cadem.com/download/download_netlite.htm">cad cam, wireless dnc, cnc turning, cnc milling, cnc Production tracking, cnc program verification, CAD CAM for education</A>
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<A HREF="http://www.teledynerelays.com/reps/canada.asp">Canada Distributors - Sales Representatives</A>
<A HREF="http://patents1.ic.gc.ca/intro-e.html">CIPO - Canadian Patents Database</A>
<A HREF="http://www.1728.com/diam.htm">CIRCLE AREA, SPHERE AREA, SPHERE VOLUME, CYLINDER AREA AND CYLINDER VOLUME CALCULATOR</A>
<A HREF="http://tyler.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2007/1/17/2659733.html?message=">Clean Break EEStor passes testing milestone</A>
<A HREF="http://www.convertworld.com/en/power/">Convert Power</A>
<A HREF="http://www.deetag.com/index2.html">DeeTag Limited</A>
<A HREF="http://www.ecycle.com/evdrives.html">eCycle, Inc. EV, HEV and UAV Drives</A>
<A HREF="http://freeenergy2000.tripod.com/grayreproduction.htm">Efficient Power Supply Suitable For Inductive Loads</A>
<A HREF="http://www.electroauto.com/">Electro Automotive Electric Car Conversions</A>
<A HREF="http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/energynet/">EnergyNet (Index)</A>
<A HREF="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=553061720631716456&hl=en">Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile - Google Video</A>
<A HREF="http://www.fuellesspower.com/">Free energy motors and generators</A>
<A HREF="http://www.fuellesspowergenerators.com/Order.htm">Fuelless Power Generators</A>
<A HREF="http://www.gammamanager.com/certific.html">Gamma Manager</A>
<A HREF="http://www.coldelectricity.info/Generator.html">Generator</A>
<A HREF="http://www.overunity.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=5cc9fed245b23e933c9f0a6589463af1&topic=1988.msg25117#msg25117">Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w-o batteries !#msg25117</A>
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/simplemotor/hemotor.htm">How It Works Hall Effect Motor</A>
This link says "how it works" !
<A HREF="http://www.powerstream.com/Amps-Watts.htm">How to Convert Watts to Amps Simplified -- Converting Amps to Watts the easy way</A>
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<A HREF="http://www.compositefactory.com/">http--www.compositefactory.com-</A>
<A HREF="http://www.espimetals.com/tech/Tech-%20Permalloy%2080.htm">http--www.espimetals.com- Permalloy</A>
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/measuringshaftpower.html">http--www.geocities.com-koneheadx-measuringshaftpower.html</A>
<A HREF="http://www.homepower.com/files/beginner/WindPowerBasics.pdf">http--www.homepower.com-files-beginner-WindPowerBasics.pdf</A>
nice lookin wind doc.
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<A HREF="http://www.nteinc.com/relay_web/pdf/RS3.pdf">http--www.nteinc.com-relay_web-pdf-RS3.pdf</A>
<A HREF="http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/NGD18N40CLB-D.PDF">http--www.onsemi.com-pub-Collateral-NGD18N40CLB-D.PDF</A>
<A HREF="http://www.power-io.com/library/databulletin/hdd-family.pdf">http--www.power-io.com-library-databulletin-hdd-family.pdf</A>
<A HREF="http://www.teledynerelays.com/pdf/industrial/DS.pdf">http--www.teledynerelays.com-pdf-industrial-DS.pdf</A>
<A HREF="http://www.teledynerelays.com/pdf/industrial/s60dc40.pdf">http--www.teledynerelays.com-pdf-industrial-s60dc40.pdf</A>
<A HREF="http://www.ieso.ca/">Independent Electricity System Operator (IESO)</A>
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<A HREF="http://www.powerthis.com/inverter_sizing.html">Information on sizing power inverters, along with power calculations</A>
nice converter
<A HREF="http://www.infratech-usa.com/library.html">Infratech Literature Library</A>
<A HREF="http://www.irispower.com/newsite/faq/faq1.html">Iris Power Engineering</A>
<A HREF="http://kundelmotor.com/">Kundel Motor</A>
Ah, this is very close to how it should be done. (+ much pun)
<A HREF="http://www.thermo.com/">Lab Equipment, Industrial Equipment, Analytical Instruments, Software, LIMS, Service Thermo Scientific</A>
<A HREF="http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/electricCircuits/Ref/REF_9.html">Lessons In Electric Circuits -- Volume V (Reference) - Chapter 9</A>
<A HREF="http://www.engconcepts.net/List_Of_Rectangle_Magnets.asp">List of Neodymium Rectangle Magnets</A>
<A HREF="http://www.engconcepts.net/List_Of_Sphere_Magnets.asp">List of Neodymium Sphere Magnets</A>
<A HREF="http://www.magnatech-engineering.com/news/Hammermill/">Magnatech Engineering, Inc - News and Articles - Replace Hammermill</A>
<A HREF="http://www.mdius.com/30amprelay.php">Mercury Displacement Industries, Inc. 30 AMP Relay</A>
<A HREF="http://www.milesplatts.co.uk/l00700.htm">Miles Platts - Home</A>
<A HREF="http://www.mullerpower.com/index2.php">MullerPower.com ... Bill Muller Motor-Generator</A>
<A HREF="http://www.mushield.com/contact.html">MuShield Magnetic Shielding - Contact Us</A>
<A HREF="http://www.indigo.com/magnets/gphmgnts/metric-neodymium-rare-earth-magnets.html">Neodymium Magnet Strongest Rare Earth Magnets for Science and Engineering</A>
<A HREF="http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2062.new.html#new">new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load#new</A>
<A HREF="https://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/locateSalesSupport.do">ON Semiconductor</A>
<A HREF="http://www.onlineconversion.com/frequency.htm">Online Conversion - Frequency Conversion</A>
<A HREF="http://www.energy.gov.on.ca/index.cfm?fuseaction=english.renewable">Ontario Ministry of Energy Renewable Energy</A>
<A HREF="http://www.powerauthority.on.ca/Page.asp?PageID=1224&SiteNodeID=120">OPA - Generation Development Generation Development</A>
<A HREF="http://www.powerauthority.on.ca/Page.asp?PageID=376&ContentID=880&SiteNodeID=123">OPA - Generation Development Ontario Projects - Map and Legend</A>
<A HREF="http://www.ontarioelectricityrfp.ca/">OPA RFP</A>
<A HREF="http://www.forcefieldmagnets.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=100">osCommerce</A>
<A HREF="http://www.overunity.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=5cc9fed245b23e933c9f0a6589463af1;www">overunity.com The international free energy research forum</A>
<A HREF="http://www.stanford.edu/~hydrobay/lookat/pmg.html#sect-2">Polyphase Motor-Generator Page</A>
<A HREF="http://www.pwrx.com/ContactUs.aspx">Powerex Contact Us Thank You</A>
<A HREF="http://www.nteinc.com/relay_web/pdf/RS5.pdf">relay solidstate -relay_web-pdf-RS5.pdf</A>
<A HREF="http://www.power-io.com/products/hdd.htm">Solid state relays, ssr, dc relay contactors</A>
<A HREF="http://www.sapiensman.com/step_motor/#pm">Stepping Motors , step motor , stepper motor theory</A>
<A HREF="http://www.teslamotors.com/engineering/security.php">Tesla Motors - security</A>
<A HREF="http://www.ieso.ca/imoweb/siteShared/future.asp?sid=ic">The Future</A>
<A HREF="http://www.thermalceramics.com/home.html">Thermal Ceramics - A World Force In Heat Management</A>
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<A HREF="http://www.airx.com/">Welcome to Air-X-Changers</A>
<A HREF="http://www.aleph-usa.com/rs_detail_hyr-2003-2.asp">Welcome to Aleph America</A>
<A HREF="http://www.itic.com.tw/HTMLENGLISHSITE/INDEXENGLISH.htm">WELCOME TO ITIC</A>
<A HREF="http://www.kitsault.com/history.htm">Welcome to Kitsault</A>
<A HREF="http://builditsolar.com/Projects/Wind/wind.htm">Wind Power Generators -- Windmills</A>
<A HREF="http://www.otherpower.com/wisc06.html">Wind Turbine Construction Seminar, 2006</A>
<A HREF="http://www.windpower.org/en/tour/wres/pow/index.htm">Wind Turbine Power Calculator</A>
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Now it appears Magnacoaster is not just reading all those websites, he is also buying things from them and building things. Clearly he is looking to make it work better and if he claims it's already working then you should just accept that as his claims. Frauds are easy to spot. They make claims without doing anything. Just look at the debunkers and you know enough. Lazy the way they are. Being a debunker is about as far away from being an inventor as a demolition worker from an architect.
BTW,
isn't mr Flynn doing the exact same stuff? And what about Mr Bedini? Does anyone remember Mr Newman? etc etc etc ???
Are pulse motors that scarry?
If you want to laugh really hard at how stupid this situation is you check this:
http://www.tilleyfoundation.com
"Tilley Charger" in his circuit is actually nothing but a GM 120-amp alternator.
Wow, so it was just pulsing it self! Amazing, I woudn't believe it if it wasn't done a thousand times already. Some con huh?
See this short video.
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/fraud/video/Jan2002/claims_first_invention_sold.rm
So he was on foodstamps and some one bought him out, he regreds meeting this individual to this very day.
# Have an offer for 2 million billion dollars from GE to buy technology 'sight-unseen' -- all of it; everything.
[Contradiction: (1) GE says no such offer was ever given. Their legal department is considering the appropriate response to the bogus claim. (2) Would GE buy anything 'sight unseen'?]
So, GM denied they wanted to pay to cover it up. Yeah, thats what I would do if I wanted to cover up something. ROFL What did you expect them to say??? "yes we offerd this man big money to keep his tech away from the public" Something like that? HAHAHA!!! Don't make me laugh!!!
http://educate-yourself.org/fe/carltillyraided29jul03.shtml
2003 11:33 AM Subject: Re: update on Tilley?
Hi Jerry,
We are alive and well.....no charges have been filed yet .....we are still active....in fact we built another car and shop device (out of state) and almost ready for the final test and that will be verified out of state by a well known group of people.
Actually when the state came in and took the items they did not take the spare parts....they took the boat and ATV.......... The Boat had no motor as it had been removed for repair, the ATV device was off along with one of the charging devices for the car and the truck....they were setting on the counter when they stormed in.
In other words they had not a clue what they were looking for. The shop device was also taken but they left the batteries, the Inverter, the control Center and the Charge controller. These items are far from Tennessee now.
If they intend to test it they need more parts as it takes two for each car....the boat has no motor, the car needs one more charging unit, the truck needs two charging units and the building device needs the inverter, control center, battery bank and charge controller.
They also took away the computer and some records. They did not take any prints or drawings of the device.
The story by Mr.. Allan that they took everything that was not nailed down is a lie. They took only the large items and some paperwork. All
the spare parts and needed items were not taken.
Carl Tilley
ach so!
05/18/06 - Carl Tilley Update - Independent investigation questions invention
In 2003, he told Channel 4 that his car, his ATV and even his boat never need gas, and they don't need to be charged. Tilley convinced investors to give him $400,000, implying a big pay-off was close.
"We do have one offer right now to buy, sight unseen, all the technology, for two billion," claimed Tilley in 2003. Since our first series of stories, the TBI raided the Tilley compound and confiscated his electric inventions.
The state then hired Dr. Saeed Foroudastan, an MTSU civil and mechanical engineer, to do an analysis of the Tilley Black Box and Electric Vehicle. Dr. Foroudastan had high hopes that Tilley was onto something big, but was disappointed when he started doing research on the technology.
He tested the DeLorean that Tilley said could make it to California. But during the test, the vehicle ended up not being able to make it out of town and ended up traveling only 18 miles.
Dr. Foroudastan tested Tilley's the magic box and it died after just 64 minutes. He concluded Tilley's invention "borders on science fiction" and that his claim is "intentionally fraudulent or grossly misguided."
In September, Tilley was sentenced to two years probation for the sale of unregistered securities. Fuller hoped Tilley would get a tougher sentence, but he could not get a fraud conviction.
No investors would testify against Tilley.
http://www.mtsu.edu/~sforouda
Fuller hoped Tilley would get a tougher sentence, but he could not get a fraud conviction. No investors would testify against Tilley.
You read that part?
"During our handling of this case, we never found a single investor who was willing to come into court and say they had been defrauded," said Brian Fuller, Assistant District Attorney.
"No investors would testify against Tilley"; makes sense to you?
So, the state cant mind it's own business? eh?
Mr. Tilley stuck a magnet in his altenator. Thats how dumb we are! You, me and everyone else posting and reading!!! LOL !!! All idiots! HAHAHA!!! *pounds head on desk* Lets not make excuses, It's to late for that. I suggest we go back to living in trees. Those where the days.....
Anyway, this guy knows how to build it.
http://www.mtsu.edu/~sforouda
I'm now going to rub this doc in his mailbox.
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/flux-switching/text/teleportation-of-domain-walls
Somebubby stop me! LOL
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Yes, I can be harsh in my opinions and statements but I'm also a hopeful sceptic and I'm so tired of all those
who report crap or hide stuff at this forum. This is an open source forum and I don't like fakers or any
people that wont report their findings or test methods. Many here don't even know the difference between
voltage, current and power. This is OK. We all have to learn. But when they don't let us take part of their
test results and methods to see if they made any errors I get angry. >:( And I dare to confront them as well.
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Yes, I can be harsh in my opinions and statements but I'm also a hopeful sceptic and I'm so tired of all those
who report crap or hide stuff at this forum. This is an open source forum and I don't like fakers or any
people that wont report their findings or test methods. Many here don't even know the difference between
voltage, current and power. This is OK. We all have to learn. But when they don't let us take part of their
test results and methods to see if they made any errors I get angry. >:( And I dare to confront them as well.
Yeah...that's it...tell 'em Ergo!
And if he doesn't. I will! Let's hear it for the curious, open-minded but slightly pissed off and disgusted skeptics! We've had enough and we're not gonna take it anymore!
Humbugger says BAH! with a smile.
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Ok .. I have been reading a lot of the forms here ..
The guy comes here and shows his stuff .. answers questions ..
Maybe not the way you want him to!
But does .. and show pictures .. shows scope readings .. seems willing to share info .. and what does he get ?
Nothing but mocking... ridicule... hate... anger.... you name it.
I have seen MANY people leave here ( and delete their posts ) because of this.
He obviously has spent hundreds or thousands of hours and who knows how much money...
It?s a real shame you arm chair thinkers can?t get off your asses...
And spend the hundreds or thousands of hours and who knows how much money...
And build it yourself you lazy ass fucks.
You may be right? That he is out to make money!
You may be right? That he isn?t an electronics wizard like all you bad ass fuckers.
You may be right? That he is full of shit.
What if .. What if you?re wrong ?
Nope? Don?t matter .. It is way easier to dismiss and ridicule.
I am ashamed to be part of this form.
You guys need to close this form and go write a book on how great you are.
And how you know everything .. and can do anything.
This will be my last post here ..
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@ warlock
That?s it! That is my opinion too!
@ hartiberlin
Ich besuche dieses Forum seit einiger Zeit und ich tue dies gerne. Nicht zuletzt, weil ich bisher immer der Meinung war, da? die Leute hier im Forum die meiste Zeit h?flich und respektvoll miteinander umgehen. Mittlerweile ?ndert sich meine Ansicht aber, denn es kann nicht sein, da? Leute wie MC, die etliche tausend Stunden an Zeit und erhebliche Geldbetr?ge investieren auf diese Art und Weise vergrault werden! Es ist nach dieser Investition mehr als korrekt, wenn er mit seiner fertigen Maschine irgendwann einmal Geld verdienen will. Wenn MC dann noch seine Daten hier komplett ver?ffentlicht ist doch wohl allen geholfen, oder? Ich arbeite seit einigen Jahren an zwei verschiedenen Maschinen und hatte eigentlich vor diese auch hier zu ver?ffentlichen, wenn ich aber dann solche Tiraden ?ber mich ergehen lassen mu?, habe ich schon keine Lust mehr dies zu tun.
Wieso d?rfen solche Leute wie Gaby de Wilde, die mit einer unbeschreiblichen Verachtung ?ber andere herfallen, hier ?berhaupt noch einen Buchstaben eintippen?
@gaby de wilde
Wieviel Crack mu? man sich eigentlich jeden Tag einpfeifen um solch einen orientierungslosen Schwachsinn von sich zu geben, und das nicht nur in diesem Forum?
In der Hoffnung, da? diese Forum wieder auf sein altes Niveau kommt,
sonnige Gr??e Hardy
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@gaby de wilde
Please stop harrassing other users.
If user magnacoaster wants to market his device it is
okay with me.
But then we should let him just do this and care about other
ideas who can be used in open source.
Don?t hit on these people, who don?t want to open source their
work.
It is just their decision and maybe it will work for them,
maybe not, but they have choosen to go this way.
There are now enough possibilities out there to get free energy
via the open source way, so why harrass people, who don?t want to
go this way ?
Regards, Stefan.
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It is just their decision and maybe it will work for them,
maybe not, but they have choosen to go this way.
There are now enough possibilities out there to get free energy
via the open source way, so why harrass people, who don?t want to
go this way ?
Regards, Stefan.
Well, possibly because the very same main page of this forum claims it to be "The International open source free energy research forum" and that's what people coming here would expect to find instead of undocumented processes and obscure methods. But who am I to remind that to its creator. ::)
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While its a great idea to try to make money on Free Energy devices...
Sorry, but Its never going to work.
Govt. is under control by the International Bankers, otherwise known as
the Illuminati. Who also manage to have control of the Oil and gas
systems... as well as the Tax money from that system.
They own just about any kind of big industry you can think of... so
any attempts at production will be met with a slew of problems.
Either you will be token out before production (shot, poisoned, etc..),
or cant get patents (corrupt govt.), cant get the financing (cause
they own the banking system), cant get certain materials for production
such as steel (cause they own that too)... cant get production models
shipped (cause they are paying the drivers to lose the cargo),
units are malfunctioning.. (cause workers are causing defects, or
materials are defective, or products are being intercepted in shipping
and being tampered with) Cant get units across the boarders or
waters. I could go on and on and on.
Watch "Tucker The man and his dream" for even an Inkling about this
stuff... which is a true story. And that was well long ago, and today
its even worse.
The best bet would be to provide plans to make working units to the
public. And or to sell parts / kits, for reasonable sale prices.
In reality, its much more dangerous to keep the device a
secret... because the inventor will die.. and so will the
device with them.
Give it away to humanity... and strip the evil controllers of
their power over us. Set up a donation link, and Id bet
youll be set for life once people see that the thing works
for them.
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hmmm,could the inventor of this open source it so that if the design requires tweaking it would be better and people would have plans to build for private use and also for private sales and sales of electric to the power company.
it would be a handy income for all, rather then millions.
as for the people who with hold the ideas and important facts etc,they can open source it instead of a person takeing all the ideas and then getting no where,
as for the illuminati, yea energy machines around 1900's to 2007, so when is the people with these machines that they know produce more out than in , going to open source it, so people will be able to use them for longer survival?
1 to 2kws would suit me....
its just up to who wants to open source or not,
if he can't market his device, then he should open source it at least.
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well i see green peace is voting for me as well
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While its a great idea to try to make money on Free Energy devices...
Sorry, but Its never going to work.
Govt. is under control by the International Bankers, otherwise known as
the Illuminati. Who also manage to have control of the Oil and gas
systems... as well as the Tax money from that system.
They own just about any kind of big industry you can think of... so
any attempts at production will be met with a slew of problems.
Either you will be token out before production (shot, poisoned, etc..),
or cant get patents (corrupt govt.), cant get the financing (cause
they own the banking system), cant get certain materials for production
such as steel (cause they own that too)... cant get production models
shipped (cause they are paying the drivers to lose the cargo),
units are malfunctioning.. (cause workers are causing defects, or
materials are defective, or products are being intercepted in shipping
and being tampered with) Cant get units across the boarders or
waters. I could go on and on and on.
Watch "Tucker The man and his dream" for even an Inkling about this
stuff... which is a true story. And that was well long ago, and today
its even worse.
The best bet would be to provide plans to make working units to the
public. And or to sell parts / kits, for reasonable sale prices.
In reality, its much more dangerous to keep the device a
secret... because the inventor will die.. and so will the
device with them.
Give it away to humanity... and strip the evil controllers of
their power over us. Set up a donation link, and Id bet
youll be set for life once people see that the thing works
for them.
Not omly the Illuminati down up to bankers and money
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=6433985877267580603
take from PESE-LINK-Collection:
www.pese.cjb.net
Pese
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You are Ignorant Magna.
You think you are the only one who ever built a free energy machine?!
There are already many discussed on local news footage and forums, whos companies
can not get their working products produced.
Many over the years have been told to cease. Others who tried further
were killed.
The idea that the govt wants Free clean energy is a RUSE. The powers
that be dont want that. They want the money taxation that comes from
energy that you must pay for. As well as all the interconnected
industries and taxations.
IE: You must buy gas, so you must pay
taxes on gas. You might buy some beer at the station... which
gets taxed. The station itself is taxed, as is its employees work.
The lighting of the building needs is taxed. The phone calls
to the stations vendors is taxed (or taxed on their end). The station
must pay for various licenses. And so much more. Multiply that
by trillions. Then see an inkling of why you will Never see free energy.
Do you think Greenpeace has the capability to produce and build commercial
free energy motors?! Nope. Who does? The powers who wont allow
it to exist.
And any company who tries to help you make it, who does not realize the
invisible strings attached to them... will soon fail as well. If not because they can
not get the raw materials needed... but because they have been threatened
as well.
All in all, you will never succeed in making money with free energy.
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@Zero
Well said, thats why i want it to be private building and prehaps private sell of free energy machines break even or a bit of profit sounds sound to me(Through a trusted chain of people then spreading outwards to other people , i.e. starting with close family members who you would likely not mess them about then friends of family members and outwards) then you do not have to go through patents, heh open source it is, whatever overunity design as long as its not hard for a amature mechanic.
And things like Greenpeace and all that, also less car emissions, its all hypocritical and that's likely how zero sees it as well.
however there are other free energy devices like wind power and solar and solar stirlings but they are tip of the icebergs and don't constantly produce the same power at times due to environment,the reason prehaps why wind power or solar got out in the market place is prehaps its obvious enough that it will work,to a simple mind, like hey wind can turn that , and drive a generator to produce some electric.
however there is this free electrons receiver which can charge a battery and insulated wire acts like a capacitor and the longer the wire the more power so to speak.
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2534
i don't understand how one could build that really,because i don't really have mechanical knowledge more like computer knowledge but i am going to have to study the parts, and how it would be set up....,
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This link gives a diagram with a better understanding of how to build one.
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/capacitorcharger.htm
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well i want to thank her as i have pulled the file down it was the first plan we had yes im in this for the money as well as to get the unit into use in public
sure i would love to give you all the plans so you can make 25 but i think the millions we will make will help make the world a greener place and that maybe we can get the green house gasses under control .
its about the enviroment and where we are all going is it not ?? and you know to get money you have to offer a profit so that you can get a invester to give you money !
I believe the only downfall to all the free energy devices, have been rooted to money or greed. I'm not judging you coaster, and I can understand you spent a great deal of time and resources on this, and I'm not asking you to give the design out.
The track record for successful devices put into the public realm so far? --> 0 . Imo no free energy device will ever be allowed into the public realm by any company or manufacturer. Its gonna take nothing short of a open-source miracle.
Do you think the power companies are gonna stand by while you manufacture a device which can put them out of business? There's two sides as I see it.
1. Create a working design and sell it, make some paper money that the fed created out of thin air. Never see that design again..But "you" will still be rich.
2. Open-source it all over the internet, make no money, but possibly save planet earth from impending doom caused by dirty, natural resource depleting methods of energy production.
Thats the problem with the human race, we think in terms of "I", and not as one...
Call me an arm-chair critic if you will, but I have been trying to make a magnet motor, and have spent hundreds on magnets, plastic, bearings and other crap. If I come up with a working design, better believe the plans will be posted on every forum I have access too. :P
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I am sorry, I just posted what I found. I never have tried it to see if it works or not. It sounds like it would work and I think that if a larger magnetic field was used it could draw more to make the charging process faster.
"The negative side of the battery is hooked to a good earth ground and a 1 to 3 KV capacitor (a few picofarred type like those found in the horizontal section of a television chassis) is hooked from ground back to the wire where the top of the sparkplug is connected."
The underlined text is where I think you got confused. It should have said "where the coil wire would be connected to the top of the coil"
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Please remember that criticism of any effort is important. This makes you identify flaws in the system or flaws in the approach to the problem.
Also it would be wise to post any problems you are encountering so that others may offer suggestions to overcome them.
Anyone who criticized your work does not mean they are working for the government or the big industry. They are as keen to see the alternative energy becoming a reality.
But, they are too eager and too impatient to see this become a reality, without realizing the hardwork and the money that is needed to experiment and improvize.
My .02 cents.
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well im alive and well and still working hard (new lab in kitchener i have retired my kitchen table)
we have made a few changes and bought some new testing equipment and found out lots of new things along the way
in the testing we found out what makes us work as well as what makes us not work ( failure is cool )
hope you all have a good xmas
as soon as we have a unit for release we will let you all know
Richard
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please provide photos and information of latest test results
can you also provide detailed schematics of this project so i can replicate,
thank you
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well we are in the middle of a update on the website
hope all is well
Richard
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@Zero
Well said, thats why i want it to be private building and prehaps private sell of free energy machines break even or a bit of profit sounds sound to me(Through a trusted chain of people then spreading outwards to other people , i.e. starting with close family members who you would likely not mess them about then friends of family members and outwards) then you do not have to go through patents, heh open source it is, whatever overunity design as long as its not hard for a amature mechanic.
This is EXACTLY how it must be done!
Let us suppose we have a system to run a car directly from water.
We would install these systems on cars, one at a time, in our own garages and workshops. We would NOT go to the media looking for publicity. We would be very secretive about it.
First, we would convert our own vehicles. Then, we would convert our close friends' and relatives' vehicles. Then, we would convert our neighbors' vehicles.
Of course, the media would eventually learn of it, but by then, there would be so many people using this technology, that it would be too late for the "Powers That Be" to put out the fire!
And while we are doing this for our vehicles, we would simultaneously be equipping our homes with generators to remove them from the "grid" and stop having to pay for electricity, oil and gas.
THIS is how the REAL "energy revolution" that we need to free ourselves from the enslavement of the energy barons must be fought. This is guerrilla energy warfare!
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Interesting...
http://magnacoaster.com/magna/html/pricing.html
Seriously, did you get any threatening phone calls yet?
Best wishes!
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Well done Richard for getting it too market.
But the prices...... OUCH
Think it will be cheaper for me too use a generator running on vegetable oil rather than the prices quoted..
Good luck on convincing the Rich people of this world to think Green.
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Don't worry about prices. Magna Coaster is a scam.
New updated website, but no impartial test results, their business is just like Perendev.
Nice words, great promises, but no products and a very fishy guy behind the scenes.
I wouldn't bet a cent on Magna Coaster.
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Anyway think what you want as we have been working hard and have all our equipment ready to go
our plant will not be ready for 3 months as we have to wait for a few parts to be delivered so we can
go into automated production.
we have a 2500 SQ unit that we move into the end of this month and have a new mill on order as well
we can pump out 5 to 10 units a day to start then more as we get better at it.
we have a new North American dealer coming on in the next few weeks they will handle sales
in there stores about 150+ stores in total yes this will help alot.
as for where is all our test data ?
well i have it and im not going to post it i think when we get a house up on timers in the next 30 days and we have it
with cams in every room live on the net will that work ?
i am taking my time as i want to make sure its ready to go and all done right nope i am in no rush as
if there is one thing missed then there will be a problem.
we are putting ads in now to hire 1000 workers at the new plant
had a meeting with the federal goverment over a month ago they got the word as what we are doing
and there ok with it as its jobs and right now we need them here
have we been aproached to be bought out ? YES what did i say ? NO
all the top people are in place and ready to start work as soon as i feel that all the loose ends are tied up.
Richard
maybe i should put a video up on youtube the test where i use a dead battery ?
what would you like to see ?
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@magnacoaster,
Have you patented your system? If so, what is the patent name and number?
What is the prize tag for a typical 10KW/h unit for the end user?
Groundloop.
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ok check out the web site www.magnacoaster.com prices there now
for the people who need more www.youtube.com/magnacoastermotors
yes we are patent pending in the USA now.
Welcome to my world is it time for a change yet ?
Notice on my site the letter from Arnold S.?
Richard
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That video was totaly inconclusive.
If you really want us to belive a word you say I dare you to invite Mark Dansie.
He is a member of NEC and has offered to help out with the independent validation.
Being a member of the NEC I can organise an independent test. I fly around the world and work in new energy fields.
I will be in Canada and the states later this month (I already have had 34 flights this year) and can organise a professional
validation of your technology. I do wish you the best
Mark
Australia
I'll bet anything that you won't dare to confront a real independent and professional validation of your claims.
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what the university was just not enough ?
tell him to send me a email he can come to the anouncment and see it as well
there will be people there who will have all the test equipment hooked up
oh but that will not be ok cause you want to have it all your way ?
grow up and see the light (no pun intended)
Richard
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I'll contact him and hopefully he's got the time to come see your "device" and also
take measurements of his own without interference from your staff.
Is that OK with you?
what the university was just not enough ?
tell him to send me a email he can come to the anouncment and see it as well
there will be people there who will have all the test equipment hooked up
oh but that will not be ok cause you want to have it all your way ?
grow up and see the light (no pun intended)
Richard
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He's been contaced.
I dare you not to turn him down.
Let him freely perform any measurements neccesary.
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ok check out the web site www.magnacoaster.com prices there now
for the people who need more www.youtube.com/magnacoastermotors
yes we are patent pending in the USA now.
Welcome to my world is it time for a change yet ?
Notice on my site the letter from Arnold S.?
Richard
Richard,
I've just finishes reading this thread and also the information provided on your web site.
I'm all in for the free market idea and I can't see any problems with a firm earning money,
but the prize tag on your typical unit for home usage is way too high for the average family.
As stated on you web site you estimate a 10 year life span on the system. If we take the
initial cost of you system and add the cost of 10 batteries and 2 x 10KW/h inverters for
powering a home then the cost of all this makes it so high that the savings to be off the
grid for 10 years is non existent. In addition to this is also the life span for batteries.
Normally one should expect to change batteries every 10 - 15 years.
Is there any plans to further develop your system to run without batteries powering
an inverter (or two) direct? Also, du you have plans for mass producing units for home
usage so the the prize tag will be low enough so that a typical family can afford to
buy you system?
I think that most people will not buy a system that takes 30 - 40 years of usage before
any real savings can be done.
Groundloop.
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ok check out the web site www.magnacoaster.com prices there now
for the people who need more www.youtube.com/magnacoastermotors
yes we are patent pending in the USA now.
Welcome to my world is it time for a change yet ?
Notice on my site the letter from Arnold S.?
Richard
Hi Richard,
many thanks for posting the new video.
Looks pretty good, if your dead 12 Volt battery can now
power almost 550 Watts of load and also powering
the drive motor...
Well done.
So I guess you just drive your magnet rotor much faster
with the drive motor and the gear and just use the right airgap
to not drag down the magnet rotor too much ?
Probably here your idea is the speed the rotor induces
voltage into the pickup coil sitting ontop your magnet rotor ?
As the higher the speed is, the higher is also the induction voltage and the
power output of the coil, although the coil looks pretty small...
So now with your new box unit you say on your web page
you have a solid state design in an oil bath ?
Have you found a way to energize your magnets with
just a solid state driver and use just also a solid state pickup
coil above it ?
So no rotating magnets unit anymore ?
Looks good, if there is really only solid state parts.
Maybe you can also post a video of this new unit again with
starting with a dead battery ?
You say, that you use now as input 12 Volts at 60 Hz,
so do you need a converter from your 12 Volts battery to
supply the 60Hz AC ?
And you say you get 5 to 10 Mhz frequency out from your
coil and that this must be converted to run the battery charger or
inverter ?
So will these converters also come with your box ?
Yes,I also thinkyour devices are a bit expensive.
So maybe you could just try to build a smaller one
for maybe constant 300 Watts output for around 500 to 1000 US$.
As you would not need all the time the 300 Watts in your household
but insomehours much more,e,g, if you cook or take a shower,
the constant 300 Watts could charge up a battery bank, so that you later
could draw from the batteries also for instance 5 to 10 KWatts peak power
for some short time, if you need to cook or heat water for instance..
Anyway, interesting to see Schwarzenegger respond to your
email, but it looked like a standardanswer and not related to
your invention.
Good luck with all the business setup and please keep
us posted about your progress.
Regards, Stefan.
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So I guess you just drive your magnet rotor much faster
with the drive motor and the gear and just use the right airgap
to not drag down the magnet rotor too much ?
no the motor was the gen on that unit it all came from the one place
Probably here your idea is the speed the rotor induces
voltage into the pickup coil sitting ontop your magnet rotor ?
no i used the voltage injected into the coil to multiply the voltage and the amperage
As the higher the speed is, the higher is also the induction voltage and the
power output of the coil, although the coil looks pretty small...
the coil is small there is no need to have miles of wire as its just a waiste
So now with your new box unit you say on your web page
you have a solid state design in an oil bath ?
yes we use the oil to cool the coil.
Have you found a way to energize your magnets with
just a solid state driver and use just also a solid state pickup
coil above it ?
magnets are rare earth no need to energize them at all
So no rotating magnets unit anymore ?
there is no reason to move anything as you can make power with no movment
Looks good, if there is really only solid state parts.
only thing that moves is the oil pump
Maybe you can also post a video of this new unit again with
starting with a dead battery ?
unit on the bench needs the regulator put on as we keep boiling the battery
i have the parts will make it this week
You say, that you use now as input 12 Volts at 60 Hz,
so do you need a converter from your 12 Volts battery to
supply the 60Hz AC ?
no the timing device will keep the freq. stable.
And you say you get 5 to 10 Mhz frequency out from your
coil and that this must be converted to run the battery charger or
inverter ?
no it can go right into the battery it will make the battery last longer
as it does not have the heat buildup
So will these converters also come with your box ?
we are going to have a deal with a inverter and battery man. these will be a kit
avaliable local in north america
Yes,I also thinkyour devices are a bit expensive.
So maybe you could just try to build a smaller one
for maybe constant 300 Watts output for around 500 to 1000 US$.
As you would not need all the time the 300 Watts in your household
but insomehours much more,e,g, if you cook or take a shower,
the constant 300 Watts could charge up a battery bank, so that you later
could draw from the batteries also for instance 5 to 10 KWatts peak power
for some short time, if you need to cook or heat water for instance..
its $2 a watt and it does not need acres like solar
Anyway, interesting to see Schwarzenegger respond to your
email, but it looked like a standardanswer and not related to
your invention.
we sent him a invetation to visit our plant and be there when we anounce the plant opening in the fall
of this year.
we are also working on a refit kit for autos no plug in think it will be big ?
Good luck with all the business setup and please keep
us posted about your progress.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Richard,
if you can get it down after some first production runs to
around 1 US$ per Watt that would even be better..
Surely the first run will be sold more expensive
as it is in most cases, when new products surface.
Well, I am amazed, that you can generate now power from
a stationary coil.
Is it now some kind of overunity transfomer, where you feed
in some small wattage and get a bigger wattage out ?
So in this picture:
(http://www.magnacoaster.com/magna/assets/images/front.jpg)
the very left unit was actually a generator and not the drive motor ?
Then just the small copper coil was the pulse motor with the
black plastic-magnet wheel below ?
Many thanks for answering and the video was
really impressive powering all these
loads from a very dead battery...
Regards, Stefan.
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P.S. Hi RIch,
have you been able to run your units yet just on charged capacitors
insteadof needing a lead-acid battery ?
So can they power themself without a battery ?
Many thanks.
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Rich good job
The clutch was a good idea.
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Hi Rich,
was this unit:
(http://www.magnacoaster.com/magna/assets/images/DCP03115.JPG)
Just also only using the electromagnet to propell the black plastic-magnet rotor
and the axis of it drove an alternator to produce current for the battery ?
So you needed less power for driving the electromagnet than the alternator
puts out ?
Can you please verify this statement ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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ok i was trying to understand some of the questions and i see where the problem is there is no gen hooked up period !
we are using the motor to run and charge the battery period see attached pic.
we have not used caps as there not recyclable and explosive when they blow as my lab has no windows it could get pressure
and i don't need to bleed if one blows.
Lead acid is the way to go as its recyclable. and its about making it green is it not ?
the next unit has no moving parts other then the oil pump as it moves the oil. We had a set of points that was used to control the power but i was able to build a neat little circuit to replace that as it had a bit of noise and was making me crazzy in my lab.
i am also working on a new box to hold all the parts so the unit for the house can be used as well in the car or truck.
only difference in the unit is the output boards as i can limit the power out these boards.
These will be sealed in epoxie so there will be no way anyone can make any changes thus i have no concerns about customers getting in and changing things.
Richard
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Regarding the picture:
(http://www.magnacoaster.com/magna/assets/images/DCP03115.JPG)
So did you just switch off with the electromagnet the magnetfield of the
neodym magnets behind it, so you could control the repelling of the
rotor magnets and thus turn with little input power the rotor
to generate power with the alternator ?
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Hi Rich,
our posts just crossed.
Please do a reload of the page
cause I was refferring to the older unit.
With your newer unit shown on your current youtube video:
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2062.0;attach=17740)
with the 2 white plastic motor/generator ? combinations,
which one is the motor and which one is the generator ?
Is the smaller white right disc the motor and the bigger left one disc the generator ?
Many thanks.
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i see where you are all confused as i understand now where you have been looking
we do not have a gen as in the regular meaning we use a coil and magnets it
changes the voltage, Amps and freq. of the power its a single coil with a magnetic feil wrap
we inject power in and also pull the power off on the same line.
we have the patents pending as well as a few addons
Richard
the old unit used the rotation to run the timing only it had the big wheel as a weight
so that it had a constant speed. the single coil is all you need as the round logs are only 35 % efficiant
our unit seems to make lots of power more then we can pull off. the problems we have had
made me a little nuts as there have been a few !
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i see where you are all confused as i understand now where you have been looking
we do not have a gen as in the regular meaning we use a coil and magnets it
changes the voltage, Amps and freq. of the power its a single coil with a magnetic feil wrap
we inject power in and also pull the power off on the same line.
Hi Rich many thanks for the answers.
So what is a magnetic feil wrap ?
Is it some kind of magnetic particle wrap around the coil ?
we have the patents pending as well as a few addons
Richard
As you now have secured it as a patent,
maybe you tell us a bit more about it or
show at least a new video of the new unit ?
the old unit used the rotation to run the timing only it had the big wheel as a weight
so that it had a constant speed. the single coil is all you need as the round logs are only 35 % efficiant
our unit seems to make lots of power more then we can pull off. the problems we have had
made me a little nuts as there have been a few !
I see.
I had another look at the cables on the big red case device with the one coil
with neodym magnets behind it and the black magnet wheel.
It seems the electromagnet is just energized only via the 12 Volts battery
and the contact points in this unit.
So it seems you just only pulse the 12 Volts from the battery through the
electromagnet and then it drives the wheel
and at the same time comes out the
BackEMF of the coil and produces your huge output ?
So you probably also rely on the sparking
of the contact points..right ?
Does your new solid state unit also has such
a sparking on-off-switch for the coil ?
As we have seen in this thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4124.0.html
you can generate a huge amount of BackEMF energy
via a sparking contact from the right coil,
I wonder, if it is not the same principle in your case
also amplified, cause you have stacked even the
neodym magnets onto the core...
So these things are probably the same and you just have
only multiplied it with using these very strong neodym
magnets still on your core..
Many thanks.
Regards,Stefan.
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i watched that video the only problem is he will make the magnets brittle due to the power going into the magnets this was not a great idea.
no i do not have to use spark gap it will run on the new timing device just fine
we use the vortex's off the magnets to drive the voltage and amperage higher
i will shoot a video this week as i hook the unit all up ad run it for a few days here in the lab maybe
i can even get a live video feed going so you can watch the unit in action.
right now i am so swamped with all the suppliers i have to deal with to get our
production run ready to go and the new shop setup and running.
yes some times there is more to life then living in my test lab
Richard
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i watched that video the only problem is he will make the magnets brittle due to the power going into the magnets this was not a great idea.
no i do not have to use spark gap it will run on the new timing device just fine
we use the vortex's off the magnets to drive the voltage and amperage higher
i will shoot a video this week as i hook the unit all up ad run it for a few days here in the lab maybe
i can even get a live video feed going so you can watch the unit in action.
right now i am so swamped with all the suppliers i have to deal with to get our
production run ready to go and the new shop setup and running.
yes some times there is more to life then living in my test lab
Richard
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Hi Richard.
Many thanks for your infos and help.
It is great to see, that you have succeeded to put out a true overunity device. Surely, it is more important for you now to organise the production, but when you still have some time this or next week, just try to put up a youtube video from the new device.
Live streaming is a pretty hassle, so a good video shot from a tripod camera might be the easiest and best thing for you. Otherwise, if you like to show live video, go to:
www.ustream.tv
or
live.yahoo.com
and stream from there.
It is free to use and you will have a big audience.
So all in all I wish you good luck and can`t wait to see the new device in operation.
Many thanks again.
Regards, Stefan.
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Okay, I have downloaded the old video from
youtube and converted it to DIVX.com AVI codec
with MP3 audio
and it is now here:
http://overunity.com/magnacoaster/magnacoaster.avi
( about 16 Mbytes)
The camera work is a bit shaky
but it is amazing how much power you can draw
out of the device although it is only
powered by an almost dead car battery
and there is only a coil and a few
neodym magnets.
I am going to link the video to the first page onto
this thread and put the thread up as the top news
thread now as one can see, that this is a great overunity
output factor !
Many thanks Richard for making this available and looking forward
to your new device with solid state switching.
Regards, Stefan.
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@hartiberlin
so it seams that this device is really a few logical parts:
1) the very strong magnetic field already in place by the neo magnets being switched by the coil. This is the "bridge".
2) the BEMF is collected from the coil
3) the spinning of the wheel is activated by the "bridge" that is created by coil and very strong neo magnets.
4) the timing, as the wheel spins, causes the neo magnets to contact with another point where the BEMF can be multiplied (as demonstraded on the thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4124.0.html that you mentioned).
Is this what you realized? is there more?
Fausto.
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no what i did was to get 99 % of the power out with a new design circuit and some wild new parts that you cant get off a shielf
also got a coil in there and not a nickle and got cooling as well
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Hahahhahaa... It is nothing more than a clever switching on and off of the little coil at the right moment. And to prevent that the backEMF of the coil brakes the spin wheel, he has very long distances between the neodym magnets.... ( ~ 60 ? between them)
So lenz law is not broken, he is only going around it.
Very clever. Respect.
Am I violating against any board rules if I make a circuit diagram public ?
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@Frederic2k1
go ahead, if you think you have found the answer
how he did it.
Yes,it seems to be that Richard has found a way to
use the Lenz law in a usefull way instead of breaking or dragging down the
rotation.
I am already very cuious,how he can do it now in his new
device without any motion at all only with solid state parts..
Seems he has found a way to tap the magnetic field power
from permanent magnets
with very low input power and delivering much higher
electrical output power.
Regards, Stefan.
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ok Stefan,
I will go ahead ;)
Attachted are two pictures.
The pictures are self-explaining.
I am already very cuious,how he can do it now in his new
device without any motion at all only with solid state parts..
Yes, I'm too. ;)
(http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/6915/dcp03115uc1.jpg)
And here the possible-circuit diagram:
(http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/2830/magim3.png)
kind regards
Hendrik
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Hi Frederic2k1,
yes, you are right,
I think this is the circuit diagram.
But as Richard said,
he might not have a motor to run the rotor,
but the black magnet rotor is just only pushed by the electromagnet itsself !
So you can forget the motor.
It seems not to be needed.
It seems he is generating all the output power from the BackEMF
of his coil being switched off at the right iming point and
the stacked magnets on the core seem to help
push then some more induction through it,
so the BackEMF energy output pulse must be very high
and thus it returns more power to the battery than it is drawing
from it.
It probably depends very much of all the timing and spacing
of the magnets and of the right coil parameters,
what Richard have also already told us in earlier postings,
as he said, he just got the coil wire size and dimensions right now
and other dimensions andwire sized would not work.
So this effect can only be got by finetuning all the components
and choosing the right dimension and distances of the elctromagnet,
magnets and RPM speeds and point contact materials, etc...
At least it is really an amazing video, seeing him to draw about 500 Watts
contineously from a dead car battery !
Well done Richard !
Regards, Stefan.
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P.S: I wonder, if it wouldn?t be better to have a very fast diode graetz
bridge for the BackEMF pulses to recharge the battery...
But as these Back EMF pulses are mainly flowing into the direction of the
battery it is a negative current, so the current direction is back into the battery
as I have seen, when I experimented with my Newman coils
as you can see for instance here:
http://overunity.com/newman/spike2.JPG
There is shown the input current from the power supply into a Newman coil.
As you can see, the current is negative in this big negative going spike
( The scope groundline is in the screen center)
Regards, Stefan.
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Stefan,
why did Richard say, that he hasn't got a motor in his setup ? I can see at least one in this picture:
(http://www.magnacoaster.com/magna/assets/images/front.jpg)
And when you compare the red wire going to the motor, it is the same wire which is used in the setup with the red case behind the spin wheel at my post with the circuit diagram, marked with "motor input +" and "motor -".
Take a look at the video, where he connected a drill, a lamp and the jigsaw, to start his setup he only switch the on/off button and the wheel does immediately start to spin up. I don't belive that you can have such a smooth run-up with only one little coil.
I think the setup is somethink like a cheap generator without lenz law effect, just overunity...
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The picture you have shown is where Richard said,
that it is a modified alternator.
Read again all and his last postings.
This was an earlier device with the modded alternator.
Also he wrote in his last postings,
that the white bigger disc is
just a flywheel to keep the RPM constant
and you also see him gining the small
white wheel a push,so it acceleretes at the start.
As it seems he is now only using
some solid state coil with some
kind of solid state magnetic particle wraps or
other solid state magnet parts near it,
he seems not to need anymore any moving magnet
fields...
Regards, Stefan.
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Ok, but I agree particularly.
In the newest video (where he give the white wheel a push, I confess to that) you can also see the "motor" with the red wires. At 0:13 - 0:19 at the right site of the screen.
kind regards
hendrik
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Thane Heins may have an opinion on this subject http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.0http://
pc
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ok Stefan,
you are right, there is really no motor inside. I had overlooked it sry :)
kind regards hendrik
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The 300kw generator has the ability to produce 290kw per hour constantly.
The units comes complete with alternator control panel and case .
Alternator: Hitachi, Bosch or AEG are used, depending on the type, volt and amp rating vary.Output
European standard : 400 volt 3 phase 451 amps depending on type of alternator.
3 x 240 volt outlet sockets.
1x 400 volt outlet socket.
Direct mains connectable
EMM Motor: output 300kw continuous through a 2x1 ratio gearbox. 300 Kw emm generato
SKU/Item Number: 0091097
Weight: 350kg + depending on configuration.
Dimensions: 1.6m Long x 1.2m Wide x 1.4m High
Continuous power
No blackouts
No fuel
5 years guarantee conditional
Price: 38.000 Euro ex tax and Delivery
Motors are never sold outright; a sale/lease agreement gives the person the use of the equipment for 5 years which is prepaid, thereafter a nominal fee is payable monthly to maintain the lease agreement, this monthly fee is normally in the region of 100-600 Euro per month, depending on the size of the unit, this fee will include a maintenance contact http://perendev-power.com/emot300.htm (http://perendev-power.com/emot300.htm)
i got this here http://www.users.on.net/~lekh/free.html (http://www.users.on.net/~lekh/free.html)
sorry if its old news
pc
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from what i understand this perendev guy will take your cash and never give you a gen, also i dont think any one has ever seen a working model from him yet.
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Magnacoaster,
Why is your account on youtube now closed? Is there a new one? Thanks
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from what i understand this perendev guy will take your cash and never give you a gen, also i dont think any one has ever seen a working model from him yet.
maybe con is in the legal terms of ( Motors are never sold outright )
thanks for the warning
pc
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from what i understand this perendev guy will take your cash and never give you a gen, also i dont think any one has ever seen a working model from him yet.
As far as I understand, Perendev motors have been sold to parties in the former Soviet Union. There was someone here some time ago who was assuring me that the three motors they bought from Perendev for their factory in Kazakhstan, I guess it was, were all working as advertised and the guy even invited me to visit and see it with my own eyes. This exchange is somewhere in the discussion here in this forum but I can't remember where. Of course, we've heard so much crap that such claim can't be worth more than the latest ones, those of @alsetalokin or of @xpenzif, among many others.The only way these claims to gain any legitimacy is to ensure that independent parties reproduce them and publish the results in peer-reviewed literature. Nothing short of that.
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from what i understand this perendev guy will take your cash and never give you a gen, also i dont think any one has ever seen a working model from him yet.
Yes,the Perenddev stuff is a totally other company and they seem to be fraud,
as they did not deliver paid products...
Don?t confuse Magnacoster with Perendev.
Hmm,yes, his Youtube account is gone.
Luckally I saved the video as AVI...
But his website is still online at:
http://www.magnacoaster.com/magna/
Regards, Stefan.
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from what i understand this perendev guy will take your cash and never give you a gen, also i dont think any one has ever seen a working model from him yet.
Yes,the Perenddev stuff is a totally other company and they seem to be fraud,
as they did not deliver paid products...
Don?t confuse Magnacoster with Perendev.
Hmm,yes, his Youtube account is gone.
Luckally I saved the video as AVI...
But his website is still online at:
http://www.magnacoaster.com/magna/
Regards, Stefan.
See, I doubt even that in view of the fact that there haven't been corroborative reports. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think corporate interests should have priority when the scientific legitimacy of such claims is at stake. Business interests always come afterwords. What is there to protect in something whose only business value is based on psychological manipulation of the potential buyer?
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I checked out that link and wow, I have to say, I am very suprised that nobody has torn this apart yet. The video is (was) highly in question as they focus more on showing that drills run on ac etc. than any aspect of the machine. If its bedinis work then they cant patent anything, if you look at their site is is extremely amateurish. The pricing is $7,000 for a
500 - 3500 W Single Vorktex ChargerRated 52A @ 48V 1-3 Batteries or more (not included)
and the other end of their extreme price list is this one: 250 KW
20 Vorktex Chargers Rated 420A @ 450 volt 20 Batteries or more (not included $500,000 !!!! BATTERIES ARENT INCLUDED FOR MY HALF MIL!!
Come on guy!
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you are right
replication is the best way
pc
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I checked out that link and wow, I have to say, I am very suprised that nobody has torn this apart yet. The video is (was) highly in question as they focus more on showing that drills run on ac etc. than any aspect of the machine. If its bedinis work then they cant patent anything, if you look at their site is is extremely amateurish. The pricing is $7,000 for a
500 - 3500 W Single Vorktex ChargerRated 52A @ 48V 1-3 Batteries or more (not included)
and the other end of their extreme price list is this one: 250 KW
20 Vorktex Chargers Rated 420A @ 450 volt 20 Batteries or more (not included $500,000 !!!! BATTERIES ARENT INCLUDED FOR MY HALF MIL!!
Come on guy!
It seems you didn?t understand the impact and message of the
video at:
www.overunity.com/magnacoaster
The video was to show,
that a DEAD car battery, where you can NOT draw any current from it
for powering an inverter is now able to run constantly a REALWORLD 500 Watts
load ( a drill, a saw and a lamp together)
and at the same time recharge the battery !
So the overunity power comes exactly out of their device.
All the marketing and sales of course is their decision
and it depends on their strategy how they handle it.
Too bad they don?t Open Source it,
but maybe it will be soon in production and you can soon
buy one. We will see.
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@richard
watchout! here come the "MIB"! i can show you a way to save you and your investors alot of money. you might want to just do a complete walkaround video, at one time no editing. and show the box of tricks doing what you say it will do. it seems that this will be the best marketing ever.
lol
sam
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Will that run an electric golf cart? That would be a great test of the device.
Nice work.
Brad
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Quote:
It seems you didn?t understand the impact and message of the
video at:
www.overunity.com/magnacoaster unquote
Thanks for adding your input Stefan, much appreciated. I do understand the impact of the message and the video, and perhaps I didnt express my observations clearly enough. High points:
1) the video shows two amateurs in their garage with a dead battery.
2) they spin a little bedini type wheel to get the process started.
3) then they hook up the dead battery and run all the tools lights etc. Literally within seconds of starting the wheel.
Thats basically the high points. So, what do we have? We have a video from nowhere (again) that shows something that there is no way anyone can verify. It is so easy to fake this kind of video, that it proves nothing. In fact, that is the only one. And their youtube account is closed (like xpensif's).
Lets say it works. How? If its bedinis, then they have found something that nobody else has so far. If that little wheel is powering that inverter that fast, then they have something magical, not scientific. The only way you can power that inverter is to run 12 volts through the cables that are supposedly charging the battery, which is directly hooked to the inverter. Even if you use radiant, or back emf, or step charging, or neutrino capture, or sulfation in the battery at the time of charge run cycle.
That little wheel will never do it in that time frame. Period. They would be using mofsets or transistors if they needed that kind of power from that little wheel, which is only a timer I might add. It doesnt matter anyway. Its a front piece. They built a bedini, couldnt get it to work, and then dreamed this up so they could feel special. Nothing new. And nothing new presented either. Good mind food though.
No need to even reply to this. Lets just wait for two or three weeks, (or more like days) and see what happens. Time shakes the nuts hard. We all want the same thing, to bring free energy as its called now to the public. Great job Stefan and thanks!
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1) the video shows two amateurs in their garage with a dead battery.
2) they spin a little bedini type wheel to get the process started.
3) then they hook up the dead battery and run all the tools lights etc. Literally within seconds of starting the wheel.
Finally there's someone else here that can see what I have been seeing for the whole time.
1) Yes, they are two real amateurs with no engineering knowledge (I can tell by their reports)
2) The battery cannot take a load as fast as the video show, to be able run these machines.
3) The power is clearly coming from the cables, but it's not generated by their "OU device"
4) There is a hidden power source delivering the power through the battery charge cables.
The whole idea presented by "Magnacoaster" smell bad. Why make up a business plan before having
developed the neccesary but impossible "overunity device". Their whole bussiness idea is based on this device.
Their plan to be found here--> http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2062.msg42466.html#msg42466
Its just like saying "Hey, let's start a company that delivers real dinosaur house pets from the past."
"And afterwards when the company is up running, they right out of the blue invent a timemachine on demand...."
Hey, C'mon, of course the Magnacoaster guys is faking it. It's just so obvious.
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I hadnt seen the pdf until you brought it up just now. Thank you. If you look not too carefully at their 'plan' its hilarious. Words are mis-spelled, and almost all of it is dedicated to getting enormous amounts of money. All employees will get free medical and free lunches. Lots of other funny stuff I wont bother with here.
Amazing how two cheesy barefoot kids in their garage can get people started. They will be hounded and ridiculed and when it gets a little hard, (like now) they will disappear. Just like xpensif.
They should have just built the bedini like he said to do it, and got a real job. Their mistake is that they think people that believe in free energy are suckers. I can assure you, that they are some of the most educated people there are. They will find out.
NEXT!:)
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I hadnt seen the pdf until you brought it up just now. Thank you. If you look not too carefully at their 'plan' its hilarious. Words are mis-spelled, and almost all of it is dedicated to getting enormous amounts of money. All employees will get free medical and free lunches. Lots of other funny stuff I wont bother with here.
Amazing how two cheesy barefoot kids in their garage can get people started. They will be hounded and ridiculed and when it gets a little hard, (like now) they will disappear. Just like xpensif.
They should have just built the bedini like he said to do it, and got a real job. Their mistake is that they think people that believe in free energy are suckers. I can assure you, that they are some of the most educated people there are. They will find out.
NEXT!:)
Yeah, you're mentioning the disappearance of @xpenzif. However, you're forgetting @alsetalokin. How 'bout that "Mike" from the Bedini thread? How 'bout Torbay or that Danny from Ohio? Or that one from Toronto with the gravity wheel. Abducted by aliens? Hardly. MiB's? Well, let's get serious. CoE can be violated, Johannes Taisnierius' device (SMOT, that is) proves it beyond doubt. Oviously, however, we can barely expect its more practical application to come about due to the efforts of amateurs and garage enthusiasts.
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copycat of the Perendev Motors scam ???
pc
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copycat of the Perendev Motors scam ???
pc
Don't know what to make of Perendev yet. He's hiding behind corporate umbrella same as Steorn. The ones I mentioned above seemed to play the game of open dissemination of the principles their purported motors are based on. Recall how seemingly agreeably @alsetalokin or that Bedini "Mike" were cooperating.
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did you see the support letters(latter)http://www.magnacoaster.com/magna/html/suppot_letters.html (http://www.magnacoaster.com/magna/html/suppot_letters.html)
Template latter from arnold schwarzenegger
hopefully something good will come from this effort
pc
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did you see the support letters(latter)http://www.magnacoaster.com/magna/html/suppot_letters.html (http://www.magnacoaster.com/magna/html/suppot_letters.html)
Template latter from arnold schwarzenegger
hopefully something good will come from this effort
pc
You gotta be kiddin'. You call this self-serving letter a letter of support. What planet are you living on? The cited letter of the Governor of California has nothing to do with the effort of this or any other researcher. The goal of this letter is to advertise how much the Governor has done on an issue promoted politically as the topic of the day. Had there been a different topic of the day you'd read how much the Governor has done to resolve the issues concerning that other topic of the day. These form letters are usually written by the staff and the politician in charge never even knows about their existence. If these people are for real they shouldn't rely on such standard correspondence to make themselves legitimate. There are well established avenues which are to be followed for a claim to be recognized scientifically. Writing to the Governor and receiving a form letter from him isn't one of them.
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Omnibus i cudut of put it better my self
hopefully something good will come from this effort (on this subject on the forum)
pc
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Hello easily deceived folks :)
Forgive me for being a little less serious, but I chuckle a bit seeing another Bedini/Adams style motor, or whoever else followed in the path.
THEY WORK !!!
You say, WHAT? Yes, I'm very serious. They work just fine like he showed in the video. A "dead" battery can run and spin devices quite easily, but it's not over unity.
Here's the explanation:
A "dead" battery is not really all dead, it still has a lot of charge, but the internal resistance becomes really high. So when you put a load with a low resistance on a source with high resistance, it kills the voltage (think of a voltage divider, and it will become apparent).
However, if you match the load to the source resistance, then you can continue to extract energy efficiently from the battery, until it's dead as dead can be. (the inventor did mention 90% efficiency) So, a pulsed motor performs the impedance matching just fine. You can even have an all solid state device to do the same thing.
Notice the "inventor" did not want to run it with CAPACITORS. That's the real test! So far only Mike (HMM) at gn0sis.com seemed to have made a free energy motor style device, and he used capacitors!
So, don't be fooled by "dead" batteries, they're not really dead !!!
EM
P.S. Here's a diagram with some calculations to illustrate.
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Yeah right,
Thats clearly not whats going on here. Look at their posts for magnacoaster. They were too ignorant to make a bedini work, so they tried to scam everyone. Hell, they cant even spell! Their writing is hilarious. And where are they now? He logged on two days ago, not a peep. But you can bet they are watching this!
But at least stefan gets free advertising from it, right? So its all good.
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@EM
Yes you are very right. The fact that the drive side (with magnets and 1 coil) has a much bigger diameter (more torque), then the small center sprocket going to the generator will produce good results.
What pisses me off is in our modern age of 2008, how the f*&k can you produce such a stinkin video just boggles my mind and that is what bothers me the most. How can you be so stupid to produce such crap, or to be so out of touch with reality as to accept such a low quality, and afterwards expect accolades. These guys are living in never never land. I am sorry to be so blunt but I have had it with crap. You can spend all the months and years you want in your hole, but when it's time to come out, YOU BETTER MAKE IT CLEAR.
Geez, the guy is barefoot, in shorts, bad lighting, no content, just f*&?in crap. So if he can agree to such low standards, then he deserves nothing. Sorry but enough is enough. He came here on day one with a good idea, but he will be the reason of his one demise. Some people never learn, or, they have a sadomasochist side that continually pushes them to make life hard for themselves. Just crap. He should sell his design to a company that knows what the hell to do with it, or, post it as open source and get the f*&k out of the way. Enough is enough.
By the way, patent pending, OK what's the number.
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Thanks EMdevices for sum clarity on this subject
pc
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I have been quiet watching this thread.
I call bullshit. This is another lost hope and dream. Lets see some real data.
Schematics anyone? oh wait, theres a hamster in that wheel! Ahh, that explains it.
The best part of that video was the guys T shirt which reads
"fat people are hard to kidnap!" and I would be willing to bet the only truth
to the whole video.
Move along people, nothing to see here.
Kent
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The best part of that video was the guys T shirt which reads
"fat people are hard to kidnap!" and I would be willing to bet the only truth
to the whole video.
Well,
I guess this video was probably not shot to show
the device to a worldwide publicum,
probably just as a personal documentary or to show the
main function to a few friends.
This is probably also,
why they pulled it off from Youtube.
I agree with EMdevices,
that you can pull out some more energy
out of a battery, when you match the impedance,
BUT they have shown to pull out about 500 Watts
constantly for several minutes in this video.
This would mean at 12 Volts pulling out about 42 Amperes
constantly...
Before it was not possible to pull out at all maybe a few amps
to start the inverter.. so the battery was really dead.
So I don?t know, either it was faked somehow, so that he
hiddenly connected another 12 Volts power source
or the device is for real and really delivers so much energy.
Just via impedance matching alone it can not be explained
to pull so much power from the dead battery for several minutes.
Regards, Stefan.
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This would mean at 12 Volts pulling out about 42 Amperes
constantly...
Stefan, did they measure the 42 Amperes in the video?  I don't remember seeing it, but I'll tell you, if a battery is starting to go dead the inverters will not work, they realy depend on that current.  What I do remember seeing is the drill and jigsaw running idle. (not loaded down) This does not consume much power at all, its when they are loaded that they realy start drawing that current. And if you noticed, when he started to drill the wood, it woldn't work to well and he kept saying stuff to excuse the situtation. He has quite a bit of inertia built up in the motor and as he was drilling in short spurts, the motor seemed to stall, then he would pause for a second to let it build back up in speed and tried drilling again.ÂÂ
Here's another way to think about this situation. ÂÂ
A large battery internal impedance will only rub us of power if current flows.  It's those I^R losses.  Now, even when we are matched,  we still waste half the power.  Now, we can be more efficient in extracting that power from the battery, with a very high impedance load so only a little bit of current flows and our I^2 R losses are as small as possible.  But the average power goes down. However, if we need pulsed power, we can get a lot of it.  Imagine you let the charge leak slowly out of the battery into a capacitor, then short the capacitor. That would be a burst of power.  In this case, the power leaks slowly into INERTIA of the motor, then he uses that power to drill in short bursts so he won't stall the motor.  But as far as running a motor without being loaded down, that doesn't draw much current. So seeing a jigsaw and a drill just spinning is not an indication of power.  I bet those two things alone draw less then one watt in idle mode.
Having said all that, there is still some merit to this kind of setup, and that is to extract the very last drop of energy from a battery.
EM
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EM,
just take your hand drill and jigsaw and
measure the input current while you drill or saw.
Probably not lower than 5 Amps at 110 Volts...
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Stefan, I agree, when in operation (or loaded down) those devices can draw quite a bit of current, hence power.
So, do we know what speed his flywheel was running at?ÂÂ
If we can get that figure, we can approximate the energy in the flywheel, and see how much power he can put out in short bursts.
EM
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EM,
Maybe you should watch the video first all the way through before you 'enlighten' us. The point is, first he hooks a dead battery to the inverter, and it wont even come on. Then he hooks his little bitty bedini wheel to it, (very poorly made also) and it runs the drill etc. That little wheel is never going to make those drills run in that time frame through that battery, never.
It shouldnt be hard to track these guys down. Thats what they are deathly afraid of. Their site has all the info you need. Just send an email saying you are ready to buy one of their units!:) They will fall all over themselves to write you back.
If they have the balls to proclaim what they have then there is no reason not to have them stand up and be recognized. As he illiterately said, its about the environment, right?:)
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Ben, I watched the video all the way through. I'm trying to save you money. If you don't find my advice and insight usefull, I'm sorry.
Best of luck to you.
EM
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The point is, first he hooks a dead battery to the inverter, and it wont even come on. Then he hooks his little bitty bedini wheel to it, (very poorly made also) and it runs the drill etc. That little wheel is never going to make those drills run in that time frame through that battery, never.
And Ben there lies the problem, their poorly made video allows enough time while the thing is running up in speed to allow someone to hook up another battery to the circuit. I don't think this could be construed as a FE device. Allot of us have spent litterally THOUSANDS of dollars trying to duplicate these machines and so far have had little or mostly no results.
My bet is nothing becomes from this except legendary status for the "inventors" while everyone chases the gold at the end of the rainbow.
If it is real. it needs to be open sourced so that people can duplicate it and verify that is real. without verification there will be no investment money, and absolutely no futher development. Anyone that has been in this long enough knows that anyone who tries to go commercial never gets the idea out the door.
just my .02
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@all,
you might want to notice there must have been some editing over time in the video. at some point he went and put on shoes. i didn't ee him do this in the videobut he has shoes on at the end of the video, was that the next day or the next week? he, han't changed the t-shirt or shorts. eooh!
lol
sam
ps: magnacaster surely you can do better than this video! it really wouldn't take much, if you want that kind of money. sorry if this seems sceptical, unreasonably, but someone once told me, "the first impression, is usually the one people remember!" please keep that in mind.
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Just take a look at the proto hildenbrand motor. That kind of workmanship would go far. You dont go to a job interview in shorts and tshirt and bare feet for sure. First impression is seventy percent of the battle.
thaelin
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Looking at magnacoasters profile, you will see that he checks in every day. Strange huh? Not posting anything to all the questions, but reading them all? Also, read his posts, they are very funny in an illiterate way. I bet this character has had a lot of problems with people in his short uneducated life. Where you at, magnacoaster? We know you are here...
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well i have no idea why i come and go could be i have the site tabed in browser so it opnens every time i open a window
UPDATE:
new unit is running in my lab works well will do a video up and let you all see in the next day
have a bit of tweaking yet to do but its ready to go.
move into our traing facility in Kitchener in march as soon as the other tenent gets out we can start hiring people
and we can get into production.
New unit is quiet and seems to like the electronic parts i used to make the circuit no more points
what a difference.
Richard
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Richard good for you !!! I'm really looking forward to that video. Chet
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@magnacoaster
I think you should try and find a student that studies in marketing and/or cinematgraphy or something to give you a hand in making your video. Plan every part of your video. Write the script. No joke man. This is f*&&in important. I never said your device does not work and that's the reason I am so pissed off because you are not giving it the justice it deserves. But dammit man, you will take care of all the finer details of your device but when it comes to "show and tell", you're flunking the grade. Please make this one the good one. All the way back on page one of this thread we had already covered this question. Make your video so a child of 10 years old can understand. Then us 12 year olds will for sure. lol. THEN THE WORLD WILL FOR SURE.
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ok so i watched the video a few times. at some point he does say hold on ive got to put my shoes on. so thus solving the whole "where did the shoes come from". ive done my homework and seen all possible outcomes. THIS GUY IS REAL AND HE HAS MADE WHAT HE SAYS HE HAS MADE. we are just so used to being lied to that we expect everyone to be lieing. stop being afraid to take this leap people. this is legit. but then again me saying it isnt going to make you believe any easier. check out this guys website. look into what he is saying and cross reference it with what he is doing. it all matches and adds up. perhaps the reason for him not having it on the shelves yet is because of narrow minded people running things out there and not wanting to hear what he has to say. think about it,,,this is going to TOTALLY change everything we know , everything we do. who would want that,,,change is scary (for children yes) :P
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i see i missed the one where you asked about my shirt ?
i had over 20 as people who know me know my shirt collection
i have 10 plus still as well as a few others but when you are in this business you have to make people laugh
i get the hole has the oil people not come and tried to buy you every day .
here is a picture of my shirts.
ps the hole shoe thing was cause i had to put them on i forgot and did not want to get a shock that day !
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;)
ps the hole shoe thing was cause
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Magnacoaster, can we learn your patent app.number or file ?
I searched for "magnocoaster" in canadian patent web site but didnt see.(http://patents.ic.gc.ca)
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Well we are two days passed on the video as promised?
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we are all waiting
pc
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my 2 days are differewnt as i have a life outside my company i have been away and will be back in the office on monday
Richard
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I searched for "magnocoaster" in canadian patent web site but didnt see.(http://patents.ic.gc.ca)
"magnacoaster" is the alias he uses on overunity.com and I would be very surprised if he used it on a patent application.
Try doing a patent search using his name, Richard Willis.
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RICHARD, the suspense is killin me I'm on the edge of my seat ,Chet
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if that wont kill you the price of his machine will ;D
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Yes I have seen the price sheet .However the enthusiasm of Richard is obvious ,and working with Vince is incouraging I may be naive ,but I have been down this patent road before ,this is your time to make a difference Richard thanx Chet
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excuse me I ment to say working with this forum [not vince] CHET
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Well I guess his days are much longer days than the 24 hour ones we are used to. But thats ok. We will be glad to see the video when it does come out. Here is another video done by the same guy, Richard. I have a copy of it in case its pulled (for stephans files).
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=puterdudes
I think that its important to give credit when due, and theres no need to be shy about your accomplishments. When the world finds out about your free energy device, (we have) as well as the other ones on your other sites, (like atombuster.com) they will want to shower you with accolades. Here is a photo for the people that want to remember this enormous occasion. Congratulations Richard, or Guru. Cant wait to see the video!
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Here is a good formula.
The length of delay in making another video is directly proportional to the increased quality of the presentation. lol
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making the video will happen we again took the copper off the output board so i built a new one
guess what i did it again so i made a real heavy one now i can pull all the amps i want out
i will go in thuirsday and finnish the board
Richard
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Richard Thanx for the update ,Chet
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we also are looking at the green living show in toronto i wonder if it would have lineups ?
i think i could share the spot light with them !
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Well, let me throw in my enthousiastic reaction :)
Great stuff Richard!
Please post your videos when they are finished, and
I for one and I think everyone here would really love
to see pics of your device, and obviously schematics
would be very much appreciated.
Especially your recent post on making it "heavier"
so you can pull all the amps you want is intriguing.
Keep it up! ;D
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Yes your definitely preachin to the choir over here Chet
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ok i have upoloaded a new video on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX3VYsVBBes
am in the lab working as i need to play with the timming a bit more and its again snowing
Richard
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looks good 8)
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that's not proving anything new
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Richard its nice to see you have the heat on in the lab great stuff on core on core Chet
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Richard your video would be slightly more impressive to show that when the battery was unhooked the lights went out. Also disconnecting the inverter to show the power is really going though that too and finally by including a couple of meters here and there so we can see charge current voltages on the circuit. All we can see right now is a box on the table with a car battery and 11 lamps that it probably connected to the the grid. You need to show where ever possible that is NOT the case.
A good final show of power would be to slow down your generator by hand so show loss of power and the lights dimming. This will help diminish claims that the box of tricks is simply hooked up to grid power.
If you need guidance on better demonstrations of power then look at Steven Mark TPU vids where he goes out of his way to try and convince everyone there is no trickery involved. Thats means a good camera pan around for secret wires, connecting up the various components and inclusion of meters so we can see the amps and volts produced.
Finally no one will bite the bullet till you get this independently tested and verified.
In case im wrong then well done!
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Bolt I could be Mistaken but I believe his device made the transition from mechanical to solid state some time ago Chet Richard do the green show in Toronto
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Richard,
a good man once said, no matter what you show them there will always be critics. and the closer you are to completing the dream the more the dogs (critics) will bark. Keep the good race going. never mind the critics. im sure your not the first inventor that pple questioned. i know your on the right pathway keep on going forward
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well the light bulbs will not run on power that is 1khz in freq. do you know why ? i do
also there is no plug into the grid . we are going to do the green living show in toronto
we are working with them now.
Richard
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What kind of crap statement is this? >:(
Any regular resistive bulb will run on any frequency. It's the RMS current responsible for the heating of the wire.
And 1KHz is not a high frequency. If you had something like several hundreds of megahertz I could accept
some of the power being emitted like from an antenna.
And now you talk of 1KHz. In the past you talked of megahertz...
There is something very very wrong here. You mechanical design cannot jump in extremities like this.
It should be limited by physical factors. Unless youv'e been lying all the time about this.
I'm just sorry that Mark Dansie haven't contacted you to set a date for independent verification.
But I guess this will never happen. Then your story would be history......
well the light bulbs will not run on power that is 1khz in freq. do you know why ? i do
also there is no plug into the grid . we are going to do the green living show in toronto
we are working with them now.
Richard
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i want sure that was solid state now but it wouldn't take much to include unplugging a few items and demonstrating that the power is coming from the battery to start with. Having said that i used to run an inverter connected to 4 batteries and this produced enough power to run 11 power saving bulbs, tv, fan, washing machine, microwave, laptop, modem, wireless router and water pump for up to 12 hours when used carefully!
When you have lived in a third world country you be surprised what you can squeeze out of a few batteries:)
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I have just read the whole thread from beginning to end, watched the videos, seen the t-shirts etc
One thing I don't remember reading is any decent input/output measurements.
The 'new unit' video (1 min 48 sec) shows; A clock, a scope with pulses at 59khz, a battery, an inverter, a flight case with pcb's and wires.
And the 'proof' is 11 light bulbs that "someone else counted"
????
The 'run on logi cam' video shows the same clock (is this a time dependant demo?) with the second hand stopping between 3:15 and 3:20 and AC/DC playing on the radio
????
What have I missed?
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People amaze me. Ergo, you are the only one to get a gold star. Remember xpensif?
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Hi Richard,
Any chance of seeing some input measurements from the battery and the output power from the inverter using a true RMS meter?
Otherwise what you have there is a very large un-interupable power supply, I have one of those at home, its about the size of a sandwich box including a battery and could power all of your lamps quite happily.
http://www.belkin.com/uk/activebattery/specs/
Its all about input/output measurements.
You could connect the battery to the inverter with the bulbs connected and measure the current/voltage from the battery then add your box into the circuit and look at the difference.
Ohh....and the word "support" has an "r" in it, I checked ;)
Regards
Rob
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Hi Richard, all
Last night after reading and watching a few videos of your device plus one from the Lutec 1000 (Thanks Rob) :) I thought maybe there was a chance this could be true. All the while there was this nagging feeling in my mind saying there is something wrong with this picture. After sleeping on it and thinking about it while running this morning I finally figured out the problem with magnetic motors in general.
First let me say that I am skeptical but agnostic and welcome advances in technology. While I believe all 'over-unity' devices to be at best an inventor's obsession and at worst a hoax to make money, I gladly entertain the notion of 'free energy' and will similarly be happy to admit my error if proven wrong. I can and would treasure serving as a skeptical (but fair) third party tester for anyone wishing to have proof of their device up to my level of knowledge in a place of their choosing. My knowledge isn't all encompassing of course but I believe my electrical engineering background allows me to test the feasibility of devices like this.
In trying to understand complex devices I break them down to the simplest implementation possible. If an idea does not work in the simple case it will most likely not work in the complex one either - though of course not every time. The thing that threw me off for a while is the notion of the electro-magnet. Since I don't know enough about their electrical needs in comparison to their output power I couldn't evaluate the idea. What I do understand though is simple physics and electrical engineering.
So in a magnetic device as simple as possible one would have an ordinary rod type permanent magnet that could spin about the vertical axis in a perfectly balanced manner. Let's say the North pole is 'up' and the South pole is 'down'.
Now let's place another identical permanent magnet such that the two North poles are in line with each other. We should feel a repulsive force wanting those two ends to separate - this is the first power put into the system that must be measured in order to find out if indeed there is 'free energy' coming out. This can be done with a simple torque wrench and some handy math.
If the apparatus is then released the magnets will repel and since they are constrained by the pins will begin their circular motion. We all know where this ends - at an equilibrium point where both magnets are perpendicular to their positions when the experiment began. If they had maintained or increased their angular momentum and continued to rotate we would indeed have 'free energy'.
Ok. So now let's say, what if you have them 90 degrees apart so that the top magnet is at the 12 and 6 o'clock position and the lower magnet is at the 9 and 3 o'clock position - wouldn't that have the intended effect of having them constantly push each other around their axis points? For a moment yes but that is simply because it would take some energy to put them into that position. Once that amount of energy was dissipated they would find an equilibrium point and the experiment would be over.
I truly encourage Richard and everyone else to keep trying their ideas because it is how we all learn. The problem is - in this case anyway - people are trying to relearn what has been proven wrong for over a century. There are no 'over unity' devices except for energy/mass conversion - and even then it is truly not an over-unity device.
My fervent hope is for us to somehow tap into an inexhaustible supply of energy such as gravity, solar, geothermal, Earth's magnetic field, etc. There is where our 'free energy' has always been and hopefully someday where it will come from.
Skeptical but agnostic and hopeful...TC
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Richard when is the Toronto show Chet
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Hi Chet,
http://toronto.greenlivingshow.ca/
So that would be April 25 - 27 2008
Exhibitor categories are:
Energy, Green Building, Transportation, Environmental Education, Home & Garden, Eco-Fashion, Health & Wellness, Food & Beverage, Eco-Tourism & Recreation, Environmental Non-Government Organizations (ENGOs) and Green Business.
Looks like a good show for those living in Toronto - I would certainly go if I lived locally.
Skeptic-tc,
You mean Lutec?
Hi Richard,
Is your device anything to do with running a coil in a vacuum?
I notice that this picture off your website looks like it could withstand a vacuum.
(http://www.magnacoaster.com/magna/assets/images/test_bench.jpg)
Regards
Rob
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MEG thanks for the info Im Quite a drive away NYC USA but if Richards going and demonstrating How could I resist thanx again Chet
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@Ramset:
Make sure to tote your passport with you. I tried to visit BC here in the PNW and was refused exit. Fancy that.
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2 of these other posters are magnacoaster. Anyone guess who it could be?:)
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well one is me the other is the girl that answers my phones.
as for unplugging the battery and running without it in there it needs a storage device.
im not a big fan of caps as if they have a problem they will blow and this can cause dammage.
the battery is also can be recycled where as the caps and all these new batteries can't
there is a new battery coming out we are waiting for the info on it as its a nano unit
i was told they can charge it for 4 hours and get 40 hours of power back out !
if this is true it would mean that we can use 2 the size of a computer tower
and run the car no problem.
when i move to my new unit in the next few weeks i will start a streaming cam
and put the unit off in a corner with a area around it all empty and just let it run
this way you can sit and watch it for days.
we have the new case almost ready and from what i was told it looks great
no front cover as of yet but i have to get the guy who makes it pretty to work on it
im sure it will look cool.
things are moving ahead problem is the world seems to be one step behind
we were to move on the 15th and the unit will not be empty until the 1st.
then we can get in and get our new milling machine setup and running
as for getting a true reading i have to get my hands on a fluke meter its about 5000 bucks i
want them to bring one out and show me it works before i buy one as i have a drawer of
meters that cannot measure the amperage and the meters just blank out read the fine print
as if you put power above the meters range then you caused the dammage and they will not fix them.
we have a digital scope and its not in my shop as it had a melt down and it does not
work anymore i have sent it back 3 months ago for repair .
i have also seen my probes for the heat blow out meters as they pickup the static
and send it back to the meter good thing i see it before i blew the meter out.
the clear covered unit was great to work with but as we pull a vacuum to remove the air from the oil.
this way as you run the coil will not build up a air pocket. as the magnets will attract the air in a liquid.
the use of the vacuum cracked the plastic and the oils was leaked from everywhere. we were able to use a
lazer heat gun on it to get a reading. we also got some new clear 1 inch lexan and the problem is the
gun cannot read the heat as the atoms block the true reading.
got a new brass pump and a motor to drive it so we can have a steady flow of oil go across the coil
as the oil cools the unit as well as stops static buildup. the motor had to move slow enough so that there
would not be a interferance in the magnetic feilds. also we had to find a oil that does not eat the coating on the wires.
as well it had to be thin enough so it can pick up the heat.
as for batteries we are using the new jell filled battery and it is ok with the power input
its a few more lbs then the unit from the car but no worries about it leaking.
i am also working on the timing circuit again to see if i can tweak a little more out of it
i know that wave i need to use to run the unit. the timing device i have now is close
so we can get the max output. the wave in controls the power output if the wave is wrong
then you will have less power. i had more control of this in the points unit as i could
just change the angle on the cam and change the wave. now i have to change the parts.
i have used some on the electrical programs out there to simulate the run but the problem is
most of them lack the depth to adjust when you change the parts on the screen. we change
the part in the real world and then we see things we di not see in the program.
the other issue is the heat from some of the parts in the program it does not show
any heat numbers. this is not true in the real world so we have to change the heat sink.
sometimes there is more there then we can disapate and then we have to go back
and change to a different part.
we are going to cut the core plastic size down as we made the unit big for when we did not have
a pump running full time. this will make the unit smaller and also weight less.
the coils have been and will be a challange as if there not done right and you do not
use the right coating then you will have a coil that will not run for more then a few hours.
when you shut the coil down it can cause a rub on the wires on the inside of the windings if you have
not made it right. thus on restart you will blow the coil and it will cause a 20 amp
draw on the timing circuit. there goes what you had as a timing device.
the output power needed a bigger board as it melted - burned the copper off the regular pcb
i have a company that says they can make them so i will see if they can get me a sample for testing
the one i have made from solid copper works well.
other problems we had in the past are gone i have all the suppliers ready to go and we can produce the units
once we move to our new unit. (come on april 1) we are also in talks with a owner of a bigger unit 100000 SQ.ft.
to go to the next level of production. this will be in cambridge. there will be a few more people there to help
produce the units in that factory as well as all the new convayors and load stations. these like most things take time
to get plan and setup.
hope i have answered all this weeks questions chat to you all later
Richard
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Hello , I see that on youtube an explosion of such divices have appear over night . The good thing about them is that they find solution to our divice over here . A guy that have invented quite a big noise device like Richard`s dive is using CAP`S for repowering the divice , So conclusion: Hang up 30 Caps and after they are charged remove the battery like this guy did . So beng .. NO MORE BATTERY in the device but a little bit bigger .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYmrQ8q0F98&feature=related
So Richard what do you say . You tried it ?
Tri some big amp`s powerd caps . Maybe they ownt blow up like before .
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"well one is me the other is the girl that answers my phones. "
LOL!
Yeah, even with secret help the excitement is really rippin up these boards lol~
Glad you guys see through this. ..
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Try it with electric water heater or kettle that will prove there is real power coming out of the machine the convertion of electric to heat is almost 1to1 showing the machine under constant load all the time
that would impress even the most skeptical.
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I think richard is way past the sceptic page Chet
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Skeptic_tc wrote:
My fervent hope is for us to somehow tap into an inexhaustible supply of energy such as gravity, solar, geothermal, Earth's magnetic field, etc. There is where our 'free energy' has always been and hopefully someday where it will come from.
Hi Skeptic.
I am conducting experiments and tests in levitation and propulsion, and have very good reason to believe that free energy may be derived from Zero-Point Energy (due to commercial sensitivity I apologise in advance for not being able to reveal specific information), not the conventional forms that most would currently understand and appreciate.
In short, you can change the energy state of electrons to create what are known as "photons" (such as forcing a current through a tungsten filament), but force a diversion in the natural free path of an energised electron as-well and something very interesting happens - which I believe bears relationship to ZPE. Gravity, themal, solar, magnetic (etc) would actually become the tangible effects of ZPE that we can all see and appreciate.
EHT pulses through an electrolyte for example could achieve this at atomic level, resulting in observable resonance as ZPE attempts to regain entropy. You therefore have to support this resonance and not dampen it (typically somewhere between 1 and 6MHz for a lead-acid battery).
Richard - First, kudos to you sir for the time and effort that you have expended on your device, and the apparently positive results in your video footage (you could do with a better camera-man though ;D). However, though I may be wrong (please excuse me if I haven't studied the entire thread), I would suspect that you may need the lead-acid battery to effectively self-charge from a cyclic resonance observable across the terminals during each charging cycle, whereas a regular capacitor may not lend itself nearly as well. I would be interested to know whether you have had to tune your device with applied capacitance to resonate with your charging coils, or change your coil inductance(s) to resonate with the battery?
On a side-note (again, please excuse me if already covered elsewhere in this thread), I saw the use of inverters in the original video, though as they are electronic devices they would have a brown-out (low-voltage drop-out) dropout level, so not the best demonstration of linear charge and discharge.
Nevertheless, as I say, I have seen enough myself to believe that over-unity is entirely possible and, after you've been at the game of new science long enough, certain patterns emerge which puts your level of understanding considerably beyond traditional science - though you'll probably have discovered this yourself already ;)
My very best wishes - and good luck !
FunkyJive
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Hi Funky,
I've read a bit about ZPE but cannot make sense of it from my admittedly layman's perspective of the physical world. I understand your comment about electrons jumping from their 'normal' energy level to an energized state and the subsequent realease of a photon of an equivalent amount of energy when it drops back to it's normal 'rest' state from my high school physics classes. What I don't understand is how you take an 'energized electron' and force it somewhere else and how that might make more energy than was used to make it energized in the first place.
I have seen quite a few videos of devices claiming to have more energy out than in and have problems with each of them for different reasons depending on how they went about 'proving' their claims. The fundamental problem I have with all of them, though, is that they violate the second law of thermodynamics - although some claim that they do not create energy and instead tap into an existing energy field and focus it to do work for us. That is certainly a plausible explanation of 'free energy' but I have yet to see a device that actually does that except for solar panels that convert photons of particular frequencies (usually in the visual portion of the EM spectrum) into electron flow.
I will learn more about ZPE simply because I do not know everything and want to learn more. As a firm believer in the established methodologies of the scientific community, though, if any of these devices were truly possible I believe they would have been reproduced by now (I do not subscribe to the big company conspiracy theories because there is plenty of money to be made using devices such as these.) Until I see device I can use I will continue to be as skeptical to the claims of 'free energy' as people were in the olden days to snake oil and elixer salemen.
Obviously I am a minority in this forum and no one likes people who rain on their parade. I encourage everyone to consider me a source of inspiration and strive to prove me wrong. I would absolutely LOVE someone to do it. There are a lot of problems in this world that 'free energy' could help solve.
And I reiterate, I will happily test anyone's device at a facility of their choosing if they truly want a skeptical eye to make sure it is operating as they think it is. That is after all how peer reviewed science works.
And secondly reiterating, I would be ecstatic to admit my error on TV, YouTube, here - ANYWHERE.
TC
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Hi TC.
First, make no mistake that we're all learning about the world around us, and like yourself I don't profess to have all the answers - merely that my observations to-date have reinforced personal beliefs that are necessary to prove to yourself. It is most important above all else to remain not necessarily sceptical, merely open-minded so as not to inhibit hitherto unrealised possibilities.
OK, just a little backgrounder (as I and others understand it)...
ZPE is an all-pervading force that all matter in the known universe is subject to (just for purposes of explanation let's call it a "field"). We all live in it, but we can't quantify it by traditional means as we have no point of reference by which to measure differentials against this all-encompassing force which endeavours to sustain entropy. We may well see its effects though, and then hypothesise over its existence to explain tangible effects that we can observe.
However, a medium it most certainly is, such as when photons travel through space. Ever wondered what a magnetic field actually is, or what a photon is, despite having taken advantage of its effects the world over? Well, I would suggest that a photon is not a particle or a wave (despite evidently possessing both properties), but is something akin to a rotating smoke ring that travels through the air. However, in the case of a photon, it is the Zero-Energy field that conveys its energy from one tangible point to the next, and an electron transferring to its low-energy state is the ZPE field accepting the transfer of energy (i.e. recovering entropy in the energised particle). This then creates a wave disturbance in the ZPE field (i.e. the energy is distributed away), so that energy can be conveyed from one physical form to the next (for example, a lamp energising a photo-voltaic cell), and the very reason why photons appear from "nowhere".
Magnetic fields are actually a polarised, rotational property of ZPE, where we experience resultant forces which transcend non-metallic solids (aka "insulators"), whereas the property of metals (readily releasing orbital electrons to ineract with the influence of the rotational field) can develop either flux concentration or an electrical current with relative movement between the conductor and the field (otherwise all charges remain in balance).
However, there is one particular property that is rarely appreciated in the physical, tangible world, and that is of time itself. Work done equates energy with time, but change time itself and things become rather different ;) Now if you create a disturbance in the ZPE field, then you are creating a distortion in relative time - affecting all matter that is subject to the ZPE field. This is where relativity plays its part.
For example, imagine a time "bubble" if you will, and you throw a ball through this bubble, to emerge from the other side. Now if the time bubble is exerting a significant forward shift in time, then the ball would first travel towards the bubble at a given speed, go through the bubble at a much greater speed (from an external observer's viewpoint ;) ), and then emerge from the other side at the same speed as when it entered. Traditional formulae would therefore suggest an input of additional energy to speed it up through the time bubble (i.e. to get from A to B more quickly), where in actual fact it is time-shift that gives rise to this effect.
Consider also "Intertia". So obvious isn't it - you try to push a large heavy object along but it doesn't want to move. Now consider ZPE and you'll be on the way to understanding inertia and what it actually is. Then you have gravity - yet another physical effect of ZPE - realised in a different way.
Perhaps I should stop there, but maybe something for you to think about. The trick however is understanding how to actually yield a shift in the time domain by influencing ZPE and, unlike trying to overcome inertia with conventional thrust, this is the secret to propelling a mass at the speed of light ;)
All the best,
FunkyJive
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well i have no idea about the fact if we are super charging the battery as it looks like from the latest testing the gel battery may not be a winner as if you can not broadcast it into the hole battery then we need to do a rethink.
we have also found that we can run up into 250 Khz range on the charge no problem.
the latest electronic timing of the pulse had a problem i have gone back to the old style
and ran it and its working ok.
now i have to figure out all the speeds and get a cooling pump motor that can do the hole thing.
was looking at a smaller pump and what it can do but the numbers would mean that the pump would
have to run at full speed so that is a no go.
we are working on a new casting and layout this should make a weight difference also a smaller case may be in order. as well its going to have the bigger magnets so we should be able to up the out put voltage, amps and speed.
biggest problem i have seen is gone (the coils made me nuts) we just pulled a coil that was run hard and it was ok no burn out on the inside of the pack anywhere. seems the circuit board on the output did not like it 10 or 11 100 watt bulbs and 10 or 20 off and ons and there goes that board. new board has a lot more copper i now can see why people like Otmar and others have to make there own boards. the new board will be able to handle 1000 amps or more i have been told wahooooo !
the new output boards are slick i am going to get one in the next 2 - 3 weeks for testing i hope ! it has heat sync. built into the board can carry all the heat no problem. there will be a learning curve on these new boards.
we are now talking with the powers at be about the payback to grid tie units here in ontario. as it stands we can use a solar panel and provide the front end power and pump it out. this would mean that people can get 0.42 cents per KWH here in ontario.
we will be able to sell a 250 KW unit here in ontario and it will have payback in the first year. this looks to be a uphill battle im sure that we can win. can't wait to see what there next step will be.
our next step will be to make the unit for the EV market we can take the power and use it to drive the car just how far can we go ? i was asked about a 60 caddie and i was just not sure we may need a few batteries on that one.
we are not in the new shop yeat as the last tenant has yet to move out i hope some time around the first week of the month we can get into our new place.
we are working on getting a unit into a store in guelph i just need a few hour to work out the deal then there will be a unit onsite running 24 - 7 as well as doing sales for us.
as far as why i dont want people coming and going into my office now well that is easy i have a life and would like to work less hours as i do have a family. if i let everyone come and visit i would not get any work done and then like this last weekend i would be there and not with my kids.
as for my life i am still living ok i still need a vacation but maybe in a few weeks i can go and take one.
funny thing i saw on TV tonight was medium it shows the guy inventing a solar panel that will run on moon light
maybe he is working on the same dream i have ?
Richard
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Thanks for the explanation Funky. I did a search before on ZPE and a wikipedia page showed up - I perused that and was about to look at other pages when I noticed you had posted. I will definitely look at some more pages and think about your post overnight as well.
Some of the things you talk about are things I have considered before as well but usually when I air my ideas to a co-worker who has a doctorate in physics he shows me the error of my ways. After doing some more research on my own I will surely be seeking his opinion.
As I said before, I wish everyone all the best in these areas of study as it has the potential to change civilization - but I will hold to my healthy skepticism until proven wrong. As you said though, I always do try to keep an open mind - especially if I do not understand the claims. This ZPE has definitely intrigued me just as the magnetic motors intrigued me at first. I will be actively researching this idea to educate myself. I am looking forward to learning more.
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Magnacoast wrote:
we are now talking with the powers at be about the payback to grid tie units here in ontario. as it stands we can use a solar panel and provide the front end power and pump it out. this would mean that people can get 0.42 cents per KWH here in ontario.
we will be able to sell a 250 KW unit here in ontario and it will have payback in the first year. this looks to be a uphill battle im sure that we can win. can't wait to see what there next step will be.
Please be very VERY careful indeed about creating too many enemies (which you'll already have if you have a marketable solution that can be easily realised). Many times we all refer to those MIB's, but I am being very serious. Many free-energy and "over-unity" devices that I am aware of have come and disappeared into obscurity - along with their inventors. Tesla had the same experience when he ran up against aspirant profiteers from fossil fuel dependency, and if this can happen to a leading scientist then this could happen to anyone - particularly as the world economy is driven by it. Started too quickly then the powers that be (governments, profiteers, etc) will do everything in their power to quash it.
For example, I am aware of other means to generate practically limit-less amounts of power directly from solar activity, using an electrostatic field energised from a phase-locked self-resonant driver developing resonance with solar energy acting upon earths outer atmosphere (please excuse my simplistic terminology), though this is the subject of future experimentation.
The net result is to develop a self-fulfilling sympathetic resonance - requiring power to be dissipated (i.e. as may be distributed to homes) so as to dampen it. Simplistically, imagine the earth surrounded by an electromagnetic bubble (AKA the polar field), and then create (i.e. drive) another EM bubble on the surface of the earth so that the created EM field interacts with the earth's bubble, and then resonate the created bubble with that surrounding the earth. Power will drop off by somewhere between twenty and thirty percent due to the reception of ripples transferred across the outer atmosphere at night, though who's counting when you have incredible amounts of free energy to dissipate? However, this is not new at-all and something that Tesla had discovered, so no surprises that it's disappeared into obscurity, with the conditioning of the scientific community so as to rubbish such an incredible notion. I'll stop there ;)
TC wrote:
Some of the things you talk about are things I have considered before as well but usually when I air my ideas to a co-worker who has a doctorate in physics he shows me the error of my ways. After doing some more research on my own I will surely be seeking his opinion.
Hopefully your co-worker has the strength of character and conviction to look outside the box and hypothesise on things that traditional science fails to acknowledge. By all-means seek his opinions and advice, though never allow yourself to be swayed by another's opinion (no-matter how highly educated) until you have studied and proven (or dis-proven) things for yourself.
Good luck my friend ;)
My apologies for drifting off-topic, though with so many inventors and experimenters developing a better understanding and (successfully) knocking established beliefs I thought this needed to be said.
All the best,
FunkyJive
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Hello Magnacoaster:
I am very excited about your new invention. I live in Sarnia, On. which is just 2 hours from Kitchener.
I also have relatives that live in Kitchener.
I hope to someday see your invention in person. If you every have an openhouse for a few people.
I could stay with my relatives for the weekend and drop by.
I would also be interested in purchasing one of these units.
My email address is hwlenter@mnsi.net
Great work! Harold.
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Hello Magnacoaster:
About the heat problem, have you looked at those solid state refrigerator units.
Perhaps there is a way to use one of these for cooling and then you won't need the oil and pump.
It just needs a small fan on the outside of the heatsink to remove the heat.
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having it cool is ok the problem is that you need the oil to kill the static buildup on the wire
without the oil the static in the pack builds up and causes a burn on the wire then you have a dead coil
i understand there is a gas we can use but the gas and the plastic have a problem
i am after the KISS rule as if there are less parts i do not have to worry about
breakage and wearing out things as well as with a gas there is polution with a contained oil there is no waste
Richard
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Hello Magnacoaster:
I know you have gotten many suggestions on testing and taking measurements.
But one test that is very important to do before going into full production, if you haven't done this test yet.
You need to take your device for a car ride into the country far from any airport radar, radio transmitters,
microwave and cell phone towers, and any high tension power lines.
If your device still gets the same level of output then and only then can you safely say you have it.
A few years ago someone built a unit that used a special coil and magnets that produced enough energy to run
120 volt devices. He was very excited and thought to start marketing the product too. Even lined up investors.
It turned out he lived close to the local airport and the reason he was getting all this power was because his device
resonated with the airport radar system and tapped off energy from it. Lots of it.
Airport radars put out a lot of energy.
Also read about another case were a farmer built a device that produced power,
he had high tension lines close to his farm and was tapping energy from the lines.
Nether one of these units worked when they were a good distance from the power source.
Taking a car ride with your unit and making measurements will accomplish another task,
it will prove the unit could be used to run mobile devices like cars.
Awsome stuff going on here.
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well the fact i am under ground would not mean anything ?
we have tested this in a few places
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ABBA do you have any links to the farmer story [for research of course] Chet
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Magnacoaster wrote:
having it cool is ok the problem is that you need the oil to kill the static buildup on the wire
without the oil the static in the pack builds up and causes a burn on the wire then you have a dead coil
i understand there is a gas we can use but the gas and the plastic have a problem
i am after the KISS rule as if there are less parts i do not have to worry about
breakage and wearing out things as well as with a gas there is polution with a contained oil there is no waste
Hi Richard.
If the use of oil were to ever become an issue (though if oil is OK then I would subscribe to the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" rule), one alternative might be coil treatment with a static-dissipative spray coat, though such compounds tends to have a limited life and could potentially impact on back-EMF to some degree (which itself would accelerate breakdown of the coating and reduce efficiency). This might therefore depend on your planned maintenance intervals.
You might alternatively explore employing a small air ioniser within the enclosure to effectively dissipate static charge for the entire circuit? Air ionisers are used in the electronics industry at ESD-sensitive workstations for this very purpose, and there'll doubtless be the small amount of power required to drive it :D
Not knowing the construction however I can only speculate on the possible strategic placement of static-conductive materials, or use of alternative low-charge plastics in the construction, so that should static charges develop then this doesn't result in a high-capacity discharge from large charged surfaces.
All the best,
FunkyJive
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I live in Sarnia, On. which is just 2 hours from Kitchener. I also have relatives that live in Kitchener. I hope to someday see your invention in person. If you every have an openhouse for a few people.
I work in Waterloo. If he ever does give an open house, I'd like to be there too, with my multimeters, ampmeters and scopemeter.
I asked once about coming by and helping measure input/output, back when he originally started posting here, to help verify that he was getting a real overunity effect, but he wasn't interested in independent verification at that time.
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Interesting! This device started out looking like a bedini motor then ended up looking like a TPU or perhaps a MEG.
Is anyone else getting any resaults?
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That's true, I can't wait until I get my hand on one system like that. I would plug my computer first with my UPS and this system with a power converter giving the infinite energy. After that I would plug my refrigerator, then my freezer... and I would see my electricity bill going down ;D
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Have you all forgotten about this? Please....read the whole thread before dreaming about his "NOT" free energy >:(
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2062.msg42466.html#msg42466
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2062.msg44635.html#msg44635
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2062.msg42811.html#msg42811
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2062.msg77521.html#msg77521
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2062.msg78364.html#msg78364
Rule #1: Never thrust a person mumbeling strange theories, not providing any real proof
or letting an independent organization freely validate his claims.
Rule#2: Always obey Rule#1.
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Ergo, I will need proof that it's not working. Until now, you have no proof.
You are like my co-worker, thinking everybody in the world is bad, everybody only wants to make money.
Unfortunately, this behavior is not helping humanity.
If his system works, I think you will be sorry. If it doesn't, than we will continue our searches. He won't make money out of us without proof that his system works. Soon he will be in Toronto at the green living show. If he will be there, I don't think he will try to hide things, he will show the results. Why a person with a system that's not working would be crazy enough to show it in front of a crowd ? Loosing chance of making his big money.
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Kensiko,
Two big posts huh? Do you work in his 'office' (kitchen) also? We notice that whenever he needs a boost he invents people to post good stuff about this farce. You sure write like him: ' loosing chance'
Fred Walter of course you can't visit. You know how a meter works!
After I posted the guru video I was sure people would figure out the rest. But I was wrong. Ignorance is the breeding place, the springpost of opportunity, the pit where the deception is bred. The TRUTH scatters them like roaches.
And yet with no proof whatsoever this site blasts his headline for months, further degrading our image in the world. I constructively suggest that we consider other methods. People come here to decide if free energy is real, and if we have anything. A lot of them leave thinking we are crackpots with nothing. Or suckers that believe anything. So far they are right. Thanks.
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Hello Ben,
Funny idea to think I'm Richard. I'm from Quebec, Canada and I speak French. Sorry if I sometimes do not write well in English. Call me on Skype if you want, kensiko23.
What guru video are you talking about? I'm newbie in this forum as you can see.
And I do believe we can extract energy from magnets, that is what we call "free energy" that I know is not free. How long will the magnet last is the big question.
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why is the world full of people that want to yell the sky is falling ?
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dont click on the links above, they appear to be viruses
@magna
What kind of crap lie is this, magna?
The links just point towards earlier discussions in this thread that show the real thruth about your dubious business.
And how could a link within the forum point towards a specific virus.
Shame on you trying to hide the truth.... >:(
@the others
I'm not being negative, but I can distinguish a lie from the truth. You have to be undeceivable when facing bad facts.
No one would be happier than me if we, the OU dedicated people, could develop a real working overunity device.
But I'm absolutely convinced that magna is a scam artist. His device is not the holy graal.
Everything he ever told or showed us and the bad facts of his business plan clearly show his real intentions.
If you (the believing readers) had any real knowledge of physics, electronics and how to judge his reports you
would say the same as me. There is no way his device is for real. Period.
@magna
If you want acknowledgement you must let an independent test lab validate your claims.
Unless you do this your'e just pushing snake oil, a really bad snake oil.
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Ergo I agree with your post.
But, I would like to know what you are talking about when you say "his reports".
I need proof that his system cannot work. I do know magnetism and electricity are interrelated, that what's make me think it is possible. I have the knowledge, you can explain in details.
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Just read his lousy "reports" within this thread that is lacking all basic technical understanding.
And how do you explain making a business plan based on a OU device long before having invented
the abolutely neccesary OU device that nobody else have been able to invent? It doesn't add up.
It's like having a geenie in a bottle giving them the "impossible OU" device on demand.
If they instead had stumbled upon the solution to an OU device, continued to develop it until proven
and certified overunity by an independent lab or university and then formed a company, I would
of course believe them. Or perhaps I still need to see a public show where people can take their
own measurements on the fly without limitations.
Until further proof I'm totaly sure time will tell them being another line up of scammers.
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Yes that is true, and this is why I count on the Green living show to view his system.
You see, Richard, this is very important for you to be there. If you are not, all hopes will be lost.
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today i have spoken with the govenment here in canada we are now a green light to use the solar cell as the input energy this means we can get grid units out and the end user can get .042 per kwh as for the green show we are in talks with them now as well as a EV project.
Ben Waballs how is vancouver ?
you wanted so bad to move there all the time you were here i hope now that got your wish it made you happy !
i know i miss having some one get me a coffee every day but hey i can go to tims now myself.
are you living with your folks still ? or that cool little hot artist chick that you spent xmas with ?
judy and andrew are they still in your life ? and did you ever get your cats from judy ?
i know you were hatching a plan to have some one catnap them did it all work out ?
Richard
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I await the outcome from the "Green Show" with interest, as before that it's impossible to claim or counter-claim - despite the considerable wealth of knowledge in science that we collectively possess.
However, I would agree that any business proposition based on un-proven technology and highly-questionable patentability is a non-starter. It would first be absolutely essential to demonstrate to a patent examiner that such a device is novel and new, and not prior art as detailed in any other invention in history. Citing similar ideas that may have been proven and published by Tesla, Faraday, Bedini, Bearden, or by any other scientist in any journal, would threaten to critically undermine the novelty claims in any such patent.
Even with a provisional application and evidenced novelty, a massive leap of faith on the part of an investor would be necessary to even support prosecution of a patent to full PCT - as the business plan suggests would be required. For a few speculative high-risk investors this may be achievable - but only with conclusive and independently-verifiable evidence of over-unity - without exception.
However, amongst the MANY searching questions, any investor would also be asking "Am I sufficiently sure that this invention is novel and new, and what will it cost to sustain protection of the invention and my investment"?
Any patent - even a full PCT, is subject to legal challenge at any time following its grant - by any individual or company anywhere in the world, possibly looking to safeguard vested interests in similar technologies (or even fosssil fuel ;) ). Defending ones-self in the courts would most definitely become a crippling expense, and often the only motive for such a challenge. There is insurance that one can obtain to defend patent challenge, though it's rather difficult to anticipate how insurers would assess risk - and the resulting costs are likely to be extremely high, if obtainable at-all.
Even if all were proven and things are working just great, there are other questions that arise such as "Is this the best and most cost-effective way to achieve this result"? or "Is this the only way to achieve free energy"?
Although the cost of any high-priced device could be justified from a cost-savings perspective, don't forget the inevitable global competition in the marketplace - with only patent protection and/or registered designs to deter the manufacture of lower-cost domestically-accessible products. Also, from a "market value" perspective, a clever ground-breaking design that achieves over-unity would not automatically win the day against a less-controversial "Free Energy" device that efficiently derives energy from appreciable available sources that a sceptical market could more readily accept. Such an example would be the Tesla approach, reportedly developing huge amounts of energy from solar disturbances in the Earth's field - operating with no moving parts and offering market opportunities in the manufacture of a small, solid-state "Control box". I have seen reports of successful implementations of such technology, with one notable example yielding between 5kW and 7kW (night/day variable) power from just 82ft of wire stretched between two poles! Furthermore, with high market demand, how much would the control boards for such units cost to manufacture in China or eastern Europe for example, and how quickly could an awaiting market be flooded with such products?
Notwithstanding the added need of safety certification and type-approvals, my considered approach would therefore be to grow such a business gradually if necessary, investing personally in the first unit(s) and then re-invest the capital to grow the business as sales mature to evidence demand. If demand out-strips supply and available resource, you would then have an excellent case to present to an investor (or bank for an immediate bridging loan) for floating capital, based on informed projections from demonstrable business and market demand.
With considerable experience in patenting and marketing myself (with a mid-90's PCT to my name, and enough successful and failed attempts to draw plenty of experience and wisdom from), I just cannot believe that ventures of this kind are compatible with a "Big Bang" model to investment and growth proposed in the publicised business plan.
That said, I would dearly love to see any such invention prove conclusively, once and for all, that over-unity is indeed possible. I would admit to a leaning in this direction, though remain open and objective to either of the two possible outcomes.
With the benefit of doubt in the current project I would say "Good luck Magnacoaster", and don't miss that show !!! :)
All the best,
FunkyJive
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at@all
just hide and watch, he will not make toronto!
lol,
sam
ps:good luck MAGNA!
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I always used to say the real test of a true OU device is to have it run by itself for longer then is possible with the
amount of power fed into it to get it working.
But I have come to realize that it's possible that a true OU device may not be able to run itself because of laws
that conflict between input and output. (That's the best way I know how to put it).
SO I came up with a solution to this type of problem.
Build 2 copies and have the output from the one run the second one and then have the second one run the first.
I can see conditions that would make this the only way to do it.
Also building 2 working units will prove it can be duplicated.
I mention this because I don't trust any measuring devices no mater how accurate they claim to be.
The only sure test of OU is to have a closed system that once started requires no additional input.
The only exception would be a device that clearly puts out far more then is put in.
Like having a device run by a couple of AA batteries powering a 1000 Watt baseboard heater.
From what I have seen on these videos, if this device really works you should be able to connect 10 AA batteries to it and
use it to run that drill and the jigsaw. Unless you cut the video, it showed the system running the drill as soon as you started it.
It would be almost impossible that the battery could have recharged that fast to run the drill so the device must have been running it.
So this device could very easily run the drill and jigsaw after being started by 10 AA rechargeable batteries.
And you wouldn't have to worry about blowing anything up, the rechargeable batteries would work just like the dead car battery.
I understand how using capacitors wouldn't work, because caps. don't regulate voltage.
They would just keep charging to a higher voltage until they match the voltage output of the circuit.
But a battery can only be charged to the voltage it is designed for, so it acts as a voltage regulator.
Also a caps. voltage drops continuously as you draw power from it, but a battery maintains it's voltage for some time.
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Hi Richard.
This is Jo here. Not sure who the Ben Waballs dude is, but glad you remember me in any event.
For all of you on the outside, I am the copyright holder, cameraman and occasional commentator on the now famous video that shows the old magnacoaster unit running using a "dead" battery.
I have asked Mr. Willis to remove the video from youtube and stop using it as a marketing tool, and he has ignored my request.
Mr. Willis is aware of the fact that this video proves nothing, as others in this thread have documented. He has been repeatedly advised of the fact that no conclusions can be made from this "test".
While I wish Mr. Willis well, and hope that he succeeds in his quest for O/U, I must question why he must post this video from last year when he is trying to prove the validity of his current system.
Perhaps it is because his most recent post, which "demonstrates" his system, ends after about 20 minutes when the 11 lightbulbs that someone else counted go dark and the inverter appears to sound its "low battery" alarm.
Oddly enough, this is roughly the length of time that a charged car battery will power such a load.
These are the videos uploaded 3 weeks ago, and he may edit out that portion now as it may hurt business, but I have copies if anyone wants to see them unedited.
Over unity power generation is a reality, and I have seen it. But not on the magnacoaster videos.
Proof of O/U means accurately measuring real power in and real power out, not phantom power.
Perhaps you can show us something more worthy of your talents.
Good luck.
PS Richard, thank you for your "concern" about my personal life, but please keep this discussion on topic.
today i have spoken with the govenment here in canada we are now a green light to use the solar cell as the input energy this means we can get grid units out and the end user can get .042 per kwh as for the green show we are in talks with them now as well as a EV project.
Ben Waballs how is vancouver ?
you wanted so bad to move there all the time you were here i hope now that got your wish it made you happy !
i know i miss having some one get me a coffee every day but hey i can go to tims now myself.
are you living with your folks still ? or that cool little hot artist chick that you spent xmas with ?
judy and andrew are they still in your life ? and did you ever get your cats from judy ?
i know you were hatching a plan to have some one catnap them did it all work out ?
Richard
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Hello MagnaTruth,
So you are saying that his system doesn't work, isn't it? But you also say you saw O/U power generation, but where? With Richard's system?
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the proof has been there all along for this device, no real video, no one is allowd to go check it out with meters and stuff,dosent want to open source it, but wants a CRAP load of money, its been screaming scam from the begining. ::)
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I would love for Richard's system to achieve what he believes to be its potential.
I have seen O/U but not from Richard's systems.
The video was my first exposure to such systems.
I have a much higher threshold of proof today.
Hello MagnaTruth,
So you are saying that his system doesn't work, isn't it? But you also say you saw O/U power generation, but where? With Richard's system?
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Ok the situation is clarifying slowly. Thank you for posting MagnaTruth.
I still want to understand Richard's behavior. As you saw him, I think you could help us.
Why someone would create electrical-mechanical systems during one year, posting photos and talking in this forum, to finally trying to get money out of something that doesn't work? Doesn't he realize that without any proof, he won't make any money? Why is he lying? That's the main reason why I trusted Richard more than any other company creating O/U systems.
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Clearly there are individuals that yearn for respect, based on dreams of who they wish to become, but I personally have very limited pitiful tolerance for such people - the likes of which do the true objective experimenters and achievers a profound dis-service. There are doubtless a great many such individuals out there and perfectly understandable why some of the most hardened sceptics become so polarised in their views.
However I and I'm sure most would welcome a healthy degree of scepticism to challenge and expose such people, to the benefit of others making real discoveries, and who are brave enough to lay themselves bare to criticism whilst the onus of proof uncomfortably rests with them. Time will inevitably identify successful people and those who were right all along and pour scorn on the fakers and dreamers, and the truth will certainly emerge regarding this particular device. I await the outcome with not-so-baited breath :-\
Sadly though I fear that the many dreamers will prevail in their vain attempts to become what they are not, and a lesson to be learned about balanced, healthy scepticism and true objectivity in the quest to "prove" and "believe".
All the best,
FunkyJive
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Perendev has made lots of money and never delivered anything but promises.
Sadly, there are many companies in the O/U "business" that follow their business model.
Time will tell how honorable Richard and Magnacoaster are, but his failure to remove my copyright material makes me uneasy.
Ok the situation is clarifying slowly. Thank you for posting MagnaTruth.
I still want to understand Richard's behavior. As you saw him, I think you could help us.
Why someone would create electrical-mechanical systems during one year, posting photos and talking in this forum, to finally trying to get money out of something that doesn't work? Doesn't he realize that without any proof, he won't make any money? Why is he lying? That's the main reason why I trusted Richard more than any other company creating O/U systems.
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joe im so confused as you say his failure to remove my copyright material makes me uneasy.
do you have a contract that allowed you to make a video of me did you pay for me to appear ??
you can only own a video of me if you paid me and have a contract you know this !
as for the output and the power you know the answers joe so i will not fight you cause you think you are always right !
anyway i think if joe told the truth you may find out a hole bunch of things about him and what his true motives are / were !
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@magnacoaster I would like to know how large each of the 4 different models will be.
Like do I need a forklift to carry the dreamhome version?
Could you post approximate size and weight for each of these units.
Thanks.
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Richard
The fact is that you are using a video filmed by me on my camera for my personal use and using my voice over my specific objections and without compensating me. Copyright and other non-technical issues will be resolved in another forum.
You know with absolute certainty that this video proves NOTHING and yet continue to point to it as "proof". This could be interpreted by some as a deceptive business practice.
It should be easy to post a video that proves your new system's capabilities. After all, you claim to be in the business of selling the units.
As for the "power I know", I sincerely hope that you have made progress in the last few months because as I have come to understand the physics of magnetic pulse generators and the measurement of their output, I saw NOTHING to make me believe your current claims.
It takes more than a form email response from Arnold and some new diagrams to prove a technology.
Others have raised serious technical concerns before in this thread and been ignored. It would appear you have chosen to deflect the issues I raise and indulge in personal attacks.
I will no longer respond to your personal attacks. They have no place in a technical forum.
I hope you have solved your problems and deliver your first units soon.
joe im so confused as you say his failure to remove my copyright material makes me uneasy.
do you have a contract that allowed you to make a video of me did you pay for me to appear ??
you can only own a video of me if you paid me and have a contract you know this !
as for the output and the power you know the answers joe so i will not fight you cause you think you are always right !
anyway i think if joe told the truth you may find out a hole bunch of things about him and what his true motives are / were !
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Richard
The fact is that you are using a video filmed by me on my camera for my personal use and using my voice over my specific objections and without compensating me. Copyright and other non-technical issues will be resolved in another forum.
I understand that you are not the only individual with a copyright claim against him. In fact, I believe the "Magnacoaster" logo itself has been used without permission by the copyright holder.
What I do find interesting is his reactions to critics - accusations of those having a personal vendetta against him when any form of professional accountability is requested. It seems that you have an axe to grind with him. If you look back a few pages you'll see that I am a drug addict who is in trouble with the law. Quite interesting, since I've never met the man and he can't possibly know anything about me. I know only what is available on the internet - it would be interesting to know more about what happens offline in these delusions of his.
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it would be interesting to know more about what happens offline in these delusions of his.
Trust me greengirl, it is not that interesting.
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Interesting discussions going on here! :D
I just hope we get an answer soon on the question we all ask ourselves.
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Sounds like a good time for another video Richard Chet
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@All
I believe that Richard needs to step up and disclose a better video and results (measurable) and a way his device can be independantly tested by dis-interested third parties. Otherwise I feel he will go the way of the DoDo and the other non-existant OU devices.
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Hey Carl
I think you are right, at least one person should replicate to see if it works.
By the way your pic is gone again ;D
M.
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The net result is to develop a self-fulfilling sympathetic resonance ... surrounded by an electromagnetic bubble ... and then create ... another EM bubble ... and then resonate the created bubble with that surrounding the earth.
However, this is not new at-all and something that Tesla had discovered,
Hi Funky,
I would like to learn more about this if possible. It sounds like a small scale experiment could be performed using an inductor (coil) to create the large EM field (simulating the Earth's bubble) and another inductor to 'beat' (resonate) against it.
It sounds like a transformer with a source on each side. Can you explain more - if not, maybe you can point me to Tesla's theories? Perhaps I can help?
TC
P.S. I'm not worried about the MIB. ;)
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@marco,
I know, my web server is in the basement and the kids knocked the power cord out, no biggie.
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The first point I?d like to stress is the fact that in order to attain any form of over-unity, I believe you need the least amount of outside interference (i.e. : friction, heat, gaseous interaction, gravitation, magnetism, vibration) unless you explicitly use it the in the course of your energy conversion. I think that?s the idea with that air-tight container.
In any case, most of the stuff I imagined and drawn on paper is based on how to mitigate these interferences. As a matter of fact I concluded a while ago that oxygen was a major obstacle. It encourages heat and friction, so air-tight is a must if you don?t benefit from the excess energy created.
My other point is directed mostly to the ?scientific types?. I was a science maniac as a kid. But I eventually fell off the wagon, after discovering the dark side of science ? if you listen to your scientific guru for too long, what science doesn?t know, doesn?t exist. And eventually you clash with reality ? things happen but you don?t believe in them because you can?t explain them. It?s exactly the opposite of what true science is supposed to be. Instead of breeding open mindedness, it breeds the vilest of dogmas. Science is good and beneficial. Too much science is destructive.
So in conclusion I must say I don?t really care about this little soap opera of a battle you are having here. What I do mind is will this invention (even if in the end it isn?t true OU) bring down our energy bills and make this planet cleaner? What I also object to is the fact that some people waste a lot of bandwidth expecting a single answer to this problem when there are probably millions. Wise up and focus!
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Hi celeri,
It's not that there is too much science - it's that human beings want to believe in something and some believe that what constructs science has determined are indeed the last word and others challenge those constructs.
It's a human condition not a scientific one.
I, for one, believe in the 'law' of energy conservation. No "OU" device will ever be created - according to my beliefs. What may be created, from my perspective, is a device which taps into existing forces of nature, sunlight, magnetism, gravity, etc.
If I am proven wrong with sufficient explanation (I also believe in cause and effect therefore the operation of the device will be able to be modeled with mathematical abstractions) then I will have to change my beliefs.
Everyone has beliefs and those with an open mind are able to accept that those beliefs may be wrong. Those with a closed mind refuse to change their beliefs even when given overwhelming proof. It is not a 'science type' versus and 'non-science type' - it's stubbornness versus curiosity and those are human traits.
I agree that there are stubborn and arrogant people in the scientific community but I believe they are vastly outnumbered by the genuinely curious and would be thrilled (as I would be) if something 'new' were discovered. Similarly, I believe there are stubborn and arrogant people in the OU community (who can't be a little arrogant if they believe they are smarter than Einstein and the thousands of brilliant people who discovered and have proven time and again the first law of thermodynamics.)
In the end, we all need proof of something before we will spend our hard earned money on it or else we realize we are taking a risk. I don't take a risk when I buy a car because I know it's going to work (or else it will be replaced with one that does.) I will never give someone on this forum money for a 'working device' unless I can afford to lose that money - would you?
If you would then you are indeed not a 'science type'. If you wouldn't then you are a science type because demanding 'proof' is science.
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Uhh,
I live in Florida Dickie. I have no idea what you are talking about, but its funny how you react to the truth.
I do however know for a fact that you are a scammer, and that green girl is totally RIGHT. Your guru video is a joke, you have a house with your parents that you use as your 'factory'. You have scammed and lied to people your entire life, and they cant stand to see you screw people out of anything. You wont be able to, you cant even spell. Why is the phone number listed not yours? Everything you do is crooked. Smelly. Now the world knows it, and there are others here to SHOW what you do. That video isnt even yours! Amazing! Now go away little man, and take your failed bedini bs to your parents.
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And WAY TO GO MANGNATRUTH! For exposing this liar~!!!!! Way To Go!!! We need more people like you.! It will end here now, the way it should! And dickie will run away and hide, any takers on that bet?
Sorry Im not the guy you thought I was. Dont attack people asking for proof. Makes you look immature and ignorant.
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Sounds like a good time for another video Richard Chet
There are several videos of the Thane Heinz motor on YouTube. Same kind of idea.
-Mike
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hello there,
what i see by the motors linke this one at the post here and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvB3PiPBozU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYmrQ8q0F98
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Lnhs7caCo&feature=related
they have always an extern motor which connectes the magnets...
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MagnaCoaster, come up with a working device or get the hell outta here.
@ Ergo,
Or anyone else, has anyone heard or read anything else about Enecom.com and the SPEGG/Waranlinc wheel? I've read that it is a good possibilty that it is a scam.
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test,just wanted a link back to this thread.triffid
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:-X this guy is an absolute fraud. this so called motor only works for at most 10 hours. so what happens is this, you pay upfront for this unit. he goes sits in his office and makes it then bills you for the remaining amount then he ships it to you. oh no it gets better than this, then after not even one day it burns the coils out, or stops all together. if it was legit and on the up and up there would be first no typos on his website, a factory already, i mean come on people hes been pluggins this crap for over a year now out here and we have yet to see a finished product. the only thing we have seen is pictures which prove nothing at all and a video from over a year ago. and did he not brag he was going to the green show in toronto ontario. ok which of us went,,,did we see him there, noooooooooo. i certainly did not. if it actually worked it would already be on the market am i wrong or am i wrong. if it was legit the world would have known about it already. like hello,,, can you say crazy person with a wacked out dream. im sorry i need to actually see this on the market in order to believe it is legit and even then that probably proves nothing at all. keep dreaming and oh buy a dictionary would you already, how unprofessional it looks to have as many typos on your website as you do.
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@monkeyman
You bring up some very good points. If it was legit, it would surely already be on the market. I have not visited his web site lately. He could have some spelling mistakes. Having them is one thing, not correcting them is another. But just as a word of advice. Maybe you should capitalize the first letter of your sentences also before you jump at someone else. It would have added some more credibility to your own concerns. Not doing so may send the wrong signal that we are not worthy ourselves of enjoying proper punctuation. I think we are.
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Yes sorry to affend with my lack of capitalization. It was neither an attempt to insult nor reflect my own lack of grammar EQ. With that being said, if you have a company that has supposed world wide viewing would you or would you not take special care to recheck and recheck. It would appear that magnacoaster has had a bring your child to work day and they are so pleased with their bosses 5 year olds results that they have kept the website as it. I find in unprofessional and childlike.
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@MagnaCoaster,
Can you design/build a "toy" version of your creation that continuously runs a small lightbulb, and at the same time powers itself to keep running (closing the loop).
If so, how much would you sell a device like that for? I know I personally would probably shell out a few hundred dollars for a little OU proof-of-concept toy.
PwrDream
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I don't think it's gonna see the day.
I believed Richard until the green show at Toronto, he never said anything about being there, so I think he just stopped updating his web site and trying to convince people over here.
Let's forget about him.
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i guess i'm a little late to the discussion here.
i see magna has taken his interest to another forum that questions him less....
http://cr4.globalspec.com/member?u=12357
also - re: green show in Toronto...
there is the "green living show" which is a large event, and not the one magnacoaster was going to be at. I found a smaller "green festival" this spring. the flyer had him listed as an exhibitor, but the web site had removed him before the event. i talked to someone who was there, and they didn't know anything about magnetic motors being there.
apparently, the difference between the 2 shows is that the small festival is free, but the big one is not. and the cost to be an exhibitor at the big one is about 10x the 200 bucks for the festival.
http://www.toronto.ca/greentorontofestival/pdf/gtf_flyer.pdf
web site says he's going to be on the dragon's den? i looked it up - it's a show for people who want investors to buy there ideas. it airs in the fall i think.
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yes it does air in september he got the only million dollar deal from them but the investor hasnt seen it work past the few minutes on the show so who knows if he will stick to the deal when he sees it doesnt work past a day
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO5ASxjwi14&feature=related
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Richard still goes, it's impressive how he is persevering. There is one new video, that is proving nothing again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i11CjtN-ss
Also, his web site has been updated, now he really praise itself. I still hardly understand his motivations...
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This seems like a simple motor.. so it is not more than 100% efficient? Has anyone else worked on a motor like this?
Thanks,
Jason
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Heh, Knew it, 6 Months later. and nothing. I called it right then.. BS!
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ok so want to see the real thing ?
8pm monday night CBC dragons den
they will post on there web site as well
www.cbc.ca/dragonsden
let me guess you still wont trust the TV guys ?
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Richard
congratulations!!
Chet
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let me guess you still wont trust the TV guys ?
I don't thrust you and certainly not the TV guys that haven't got a clue
how to perform accurate testing and skillfully examine your contrapment.
This is not their profession and they are a bad choice for anything else
than making movies. I'll see your show but I guess it will be another
crappy video that proves nothing but thin air.
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Hey great going...I never miss the Den.
I'll be watching for sure tomorrow nite.
Regards...
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Hi all,
I just looked at his contraption and no way this will work. Is he telling us that his pulse motor can output at least 2 to 3 HP? That GM Delcotron alternator needs about 5 HP to output it's 60 amps rated capacity, so it needs about 2+ HP for the 20 amp advertised. 2000 rpm no load and 1000 rpm outputing 20 amps... No way...
Move along, nothing to see here.
Take care,
Michel
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Hi all,
I just looked at his contraption and no way this will work. Is he telling us that his pulse motor can output at least 2 to 3 HP? That GM Delcotron alternator needs about 5 HP to output it's 60 amps rated capacity, so it needs about 2+ HP for the 20 amp advertised. 2000 rpm no load and 1000 rpm outputing 20 amps... No way...
Move along, nothing to see here.
Take care,
Michel
Ahumm...LOL
The show is being aired tomorrow night so.....
Michelinho are you sure you seen the latest Magnacoaster setup? I've been watching this thread for awhile and noticed some changes along the way so I'm not convinced yet.
I personally am pulling for his newest setup and anxiously waiting to see if any of the "Entrepeneurs" bite on the Magnacoaster "ptich" tomorrow night. The fact that the magic show works or not is not important, it's if "Magnacoaster" ends up in the "Winners" or "Contenders" list in the "Where are they now" list.
In a year from now the Dragon's Den delegates should have done their "Due Diligence' by then (Hopefully sooner) and then they're will be the testing to market of the device handled by professionals if there's a profit to be made ??? That's where the Fit Hits the Shan ;)
Either it ends up on the market as a gas less generator for the same price as a gas powered generator or it doesn't, simple as that :)
The fact that Magnacoaster came back and posted leads me to think that the pre-taped show turned out to be accepted by the dragons ;D
Regards,
Paul
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Hi Goat,
I just went through the whole post... Reads like a Red Green Show.
That last movie really made it for me. The casket is an appropriate name for his "device".
The first pictures in this thread made it for me. The Delcotron powered by a pulse motor and the insane contention that it was producing 20 amps driven by a pulse motor and a loose chain drive. He even used the original Delcotron rectifier bridge. It started with a con job, where else do you expect it to go than in a casket.
total power intake 1 Amp @12 volts
total output 20 amps @ 12 volts
Take care,
Michel
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Hi All
Well I just watched the episode and he got accepted for 50% of his on-grid power generation in Ontario with Brett Wilson who is owner of a large energy company in Alberta, IF the technology proves to function as advertised!
As mentioned before in my previous post, these guys are successful entrepreneurs so now it's the wait and see for a follow up in the where are they now section.
He also mentioned that he's in talks with GE and a couple of other power companies in the US.
I'll update the link to the video later.
Regards,
Paul
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Name dropping is his game. Being "in talks" carries as much merit as his personal letter from Gov. Ahnold.
There's an awfully big IF there. And it's surprising that someone who had a business plan requiring $60,000,000 for start-up of manufacturing is selling off 50% of a power plant / distribution method on a product he's not even manufacturing on a mass scale.
No one actually inspected the technology there. And someone contacted me regarding the university testing, saying the "professor" didn't deserve to be paid and essentially lied for the money. Someone else PM'd me to say that the unit stopped running after a few hours... no sustainability. One of these people clued me in to Richard's previous big deals - apparently his "company" once upon a time was building stadium seating for the Olympics... except the Olympics came and went and he had no part of it.
There's a dark and mysterious past about this guy. I think many were right not to trust from the start.
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You can guarantee if he joins up with GE or the likes, he can kiss it goodbye. They
will continue to ding him for more share and when he hits 49 percent, hes out. Just
like Boeing did to Flynn Tech. He is just along for the ride now. No say.
Glad for him tho. I will wait and see. He just needs to not let the dollar sign blind him
to the real agenda. Same old story.
thaelin
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@magnacoaster
Judging from all the newbie's here who offer nothing but senseless criticism and who have probably never done an actual experiment--- I think you may really have something here ;D LOL. It's funny how all these amatures come out of the woodwork the minute an invention shows any sign of success. I just ignore there nonsensical banter and go about my business of succeeding in what they say is impossible. I think everyone here should ask themselves what these supposed critics have offered to the discussion ------ nothing is your answer, absolutely nothing.LOL
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@ All
This was just posted at http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6267.msg143348#msg143348 but I found it relevant to both threads.
The video is available at http://www.cbc.ca/dragonsden/video.html run the Season 3 episode 11 video, Richard's presentation starts at approximately 7:00 minutes into the show.
I sincerely hope that Richard proves his technology worthy to replace the nuclear, coal, gas, or whatever other options we have and start producing power in a clean safe manner.
I'll worry about the gas less generator to run my house on the cheap at wallymart later ;)
Regards,
Paul
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Hi Thaelin
I just tried the http://www.cbc.ca/dragonsden/video.html link and it's functional, maybe they were doing web site maintenance when you tried.
Regards,
Paul
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well one is me the other is the girl that answers my phones.
as for unplugging the battery and running without it in there it needs a storage device.
im not a big fan of caps as if they have a problem they will blow and this can cause dammage.
the battery is also can be recycled where as the caps and all these new batteries can't
there is a new battery coming out we are waiting for the info on it as its a nano unit
i was told they can charge it for 4 hours and get 40 hours of power back out !
if this is true it would mean that we can use 2 the size of a computer tower
and run the car no problem.
when i move to my new unit in the next few weeks i will start a streaming cam
and put the unit off in a corner with a area around it all empty and just let it run
this way you can sit and watch it for days.
we have the new case almost ready and from what i was told it looks great
no front cover as of yet but i have to get the guy who makes it pretty to work on it
im sure it will look cool.
things are moving ahead problem is the world seems to be one step behind
we were to move on the 15th and the unit will not be empty until the 1st.
then we can get in and get our new milling machine setup and running
as for getting a true reading i have to get my hands on a fluke meter its about 5000 bucks i
want them to bring one out and show me it works before i buy one as i have a drawer of
meters that cannot measure the amperage and the meters just blank out read the fine print
as if you put power above the meters range then you caused the dammage and they will not fix them.
we have a digital scope and its not in my shop as it had a melt down and it does not
work anymore i have sent it back 3 months ago for repair .
i have also seen my probes for the heat blow out meters as they pickup the static
and send it back to the meter good thing i see it before i blew the meter out.
the clear covered unit was great to work with but as we pull a vacuum to remove the air from the oil.
this way as you run the coil will not build up a air pocket. as the magnets will attract the air in a liquid.
the use of the vacuum cracked the plastic and the oils was leaked from everywhere. we were able to use a
lazer heat gun on it to get a reading. we also got some new clear 1 inch lexan and the problem is the
gun cannot read the heat as the atoms block the true reading.
got a new brass pump and a motor to drive it so we can have a steady flow of oil go across the coil
as the oil cools the unit as well as stops static buildup. the motor had to move slow enough so that there
would not be a interferance in the magnetic feilds. also we had to find a oil that does not eat the coating on the wires.
as well it had to be thin enough so it can pick up the heat.
as for batteries we are using the new jell filled battery and it is ok with the power input
its a few more lbs then the unit from the car but no worries about it leaking.
i am also working on the timing circuit again to see if i can tweak a little more out of it
i know that wave i need to use to run the unit. the timing device i have now is close
so we can get the max output. the wave in controls the power output if the wave is wrong
then you will have less power. i had more control of this in the points unit as i could
just change the angle on the cam and change the wave. now i have to change the parts.
i have used some on the electrical programs out there to simulate the run but the problem is
most of them lack the depth to adjust when you change the parts on the screen. we change
the part in the real world and then we see things we di not see in the program.
the other issue is the heat from some of the parts in the program it does not show
any heat numbers. this is not true in the real world so we have to change the heat sink.
sometimes there is more there then we can disapate and then we have to go back
and change to a different part.
we are going to cut the core plastic size down as we made the unit big for when we did not have
a pump running full time. this will make the unit smaller and also weight less.
the coils have been and will be a challange as if there not done right and you do not
use the right coating then you will have a coil that will not run for more then a few hours.
when you shut the coil down it can cause a rub on the wires on the inside of the windings if you have
not made it right. thus on restart you will blow the coil and it will cause a 20 amp
draw on the timing circuit. there goes what you had as a timing device.
the output power needed a bigger board as it melted - burned the copper off the regular pcb
i have a company that says they can make them so i will see if they can get me a sample for testing
the one i have made from solid copper works well.
other problems we had in the past are gone i have all the suppliers ready to go and we can produce the units
once we move to our new unit. (come on april 1) we are also in talks with a owner of a bigger unit 100000 SQ.ft.
to go to the next level of production. this will be in cambridge. there will be a few more people there to help
produce the units in that factory as well as all the new convayors and load stations. these like most things take time
to get plan and setup.
hope i have answered all this weeks questions chat to you all later
Richard
If I read this correctly, it appears that the heart of the unit is a output power coil in oil (for cooling) with one or more control coils and magnets on each end. The timing would seem to be critical to allow the output to be more than the input. The input to the control coil would seem to be in the 12 watt range? (Sounds like Jack's valve?) 12v @ 1 amp input to 12v @ 100a output? In a movie he mentioned 59 or 5.9khz for the frequency of pulsing. Seems he ran this setup on his first style motors, using the magnets on the motor and the magnet stack on the end of the coil to pulse the coil.
Has a setup like this been tested before for overunity? It has a better chance of working since the magnet stacks are closer to the power coil as opposed to the MEG. I would guess that the control coil is left open when not pulsed so as to not create a magnetic field that will oppose power generation. However, the 'static' is probably from leaving the control coil open during BEMF cycle, resulting in a shorted coil after a time of use. The oil probably helps with insulation from high voltage BEMF spikes.
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I have the same problem.
Can somebody, who has downloaded the video put it up on youtube please ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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There was no demonstration of the unit on the show...there was a pitch, and an agreement in principle based on performance...to be proven at a later date.
They usually follow ups on any deals reached on the show...as that was the show's seasonal finale, we will have to wait until next season to see what if anything developed.
Regards...
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If this magnet/coil setup can run between 5khz and 6khz, it has a striking similarity to the Stephen Marks TPU. The coil that gets hot is a similar symptom that the TPU had as well. :o
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Richard,
I have seen you on youtube - Dragons Den - Magnacoaster.
I believe you. Joseph Newman and many others has shown
it is possible. I wish you all the best with your business.
Just don't let them fool you. Be as wise as you are.
It is a shame you won't share your knowledge with us right now,
but probably we will soon get there. :)
If this magnet/coil setup can run between 5khz and 6khz, it has a striking similarity to the Stephen Marks TPU. The coil that gets hot is a similar symptom that the TPU had as well. :o It is not strange that is gets hot. Am I right? :)
You are right. It looks very close.
Tomasz
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Richard opens the books on his website.
Lots of Pics in his Galery.
And he explains about the historic and physical background of his development.
http://www.vorktex.ca/page/277176203 (http://www.vorktex.ca/page/277176203)
helmut
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That picture sure is tiny actually unreadable to me,can't make out anything on it. But I guess the important part is the pulsing behavior.
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Those are some really nice looking batteries on his site too. Those AGM batteries are pretty nice and heavy duty looking.
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SOME PEOPLE NEVER LEARN any lessons do they?
His invention will NEVER see the light of day. Here is SOME of what SM had to say about free energy SUPPRESSION!!
Do a Yahoo search on DEAD SCIENTISTS.
Don't miss the meeting at the FBI OFFICE at the very bottom.
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Dear Lindsay,
I would disagree with you about one point. Being that I believe there to be a concerted effort to delay any potential technology entering the market place by those who my be adversely affected. My first invention was a Highbred electric automobile way back in 1978. I knew that the automotive heat stroke engine was unbelievably inefficient. Calculations told me that it only took about 15 horsepower to keep a vehicle on the highway at 60 mph but we needed 40 hp or more to accelerate the vehicle. To accelerate it well we needed 100 HP. So if we design the automobile with a large hp engine to accelerate the vehicle adequately we waste a great deal of energy when the large heat pump engine is only required to produce 15 hp to cruise at 60 mph on the highway.
My solution was to find the smallest and most efficient engine I could possibly find and couple it to a storage system which could be used for and to provide for acceleration to cruising speeds.. The idea was simple and elegant at the same time. I found my first experiments very encouraging. I took a 20 hp 4 stroke gasoline engine coupled to a 48 volt generator coupled to two banks of storage batteries coupled to a 48 volt aircraft starter motor connected to the transmission of a ford Fairmont automobile.
The Ford worked well. It did not have blazing acceleration but was definitely adequate. You could drive it around town all day and on the highway at 60 MPH it would burn 1 gallon of fuel for every 50 miles you traveled. That is very good for a 3800 Lb. Ford at 60 MPH which on it's best day would have only achieved about 18 mpg. I had proven my idea would work so I set out to refine it. I needed a more efficient primover and I needed a more efficient electrical conversion system. I found a wonderful 2-stroke gasoline engine that would put out 25 hp on one gallon for 3.5 hours.
I then coupled that engine to 4- twelve volt automotive alternators run in series into 4-12 volt banks of batteries. Now I had a super efficient gasoline engine with a very efficient electric energy conversion system.
The car now accelerated very well using the extra power stored in the battery banks and cruised at 65 MPH using 18 HP and leaving an extra 5 to 7 HP output from the 25 hp Gasoline engine to keep the batteries charged up to capacity for acceleration when necessary. I added a governor to control the gasoline engine to throttle back when necessary and save fuel. You could drive it over town and high way all day. It worked wonderfully and achieved 320 MPG when driven on a trip from Los Angeles to Las Vegas Nevada, a distance of several hundred miles. The car was a great success publicly and I invited Chrysler, Ford and General Moters to come to see the car.
They all sent representatives to see the vehicle, but I was surprised because they did not seem very impressed at all. I thought I had discovered the solution to the energy crises and they didn't even want to study the car I built. They were polite and they all asked me if I wanted to work for their companies but none of them were excited at all. I couldn't understand why until I met a very impressive fellow named Delorian. Yes the ex-president of Ford who tried to manufacture the Delorian motor car in Ireland. After visiting with him and meeting his chief engineer, Zora Duntoff, the father of the Corvette, I learned that the automotive companies already knew how to make Highbred automobiles and so did not need my design! This was back in the 1970's and they are just now coming out with highbred electric automobiles for sale to the public.
I find it terrible that these new automobiles are only getting 50 MPG! That was my first lesson in discovering what I thought was a break through in technologies. When I asked Mr Delorian and Mr. Duntoff why they were not making automobiles that could get 100 MPG they told me that it involved complicated economic issues involving the oil industry and the world economic system. . .And so here we are today. Obviously things haven't changed much.
I told you about all this so would have a better idea of my back ground and experiences in the past.
Sincerely,
SM
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Dear Lindsay,
I have some very important things to tell you. First. My attorney left several messages for me over the last week. I finally called him on Friday and he informed me of the fact he needed to set up a meeting with me in his office in as soon as possible and that I needed to be prepared to meet with someone from the federal government.. I was shaken to the bone! He also told me that I was not to mention my future meeting to anyone including the following: Paul, anyone with UEC, anyone on the Internet including you, my family, the press, or anyone in the communication business, my elected representatives and etc.
It sounded as though he was reading a list off to me. He said that, he was. I told him i was a little scared to show up. He said that he understood my fear but it would be in my best interest to get into his office Monday and he would do his best to protect me. I asked him what i needed to be protected from? He said he had to respond to the authorities about their concerns regarding my possible breaking of federal laws.
He said that the charges could be very serious against me and he needed to keep things from getting out of hand.
He told me that he convinced them (the federal authorities ) that I was not intentionally breaking any laws or going against their wishes in any way. He assured them that he would get me into his office for them to talk to and they would see for themselves that I am a nice little guy who would never knowingly break the law. So off i went this morning to my attorneys office in hopes of not getting arrested and placed into prison. I don't think I would like prison, Lindsay...
The first thing there I was taken into a room by my attorney and told what not to say to the Feds. Also, I was told what to do if I was arrested, etc. So I was fully scared to death!!! Next, I was taken into the meeting. Therein was my attorney and his secretary with note pad in hand. I was introduced to three gentleman in business suits. One was from the FBI, ( Federal Burrow of Investigation ), one was from the Atomic Energy Commission of the federal government and the other
was from the Federal Department of Justice, Washington DC. I now had to go to the bathroom at this moment of my life more then ever!!!
I sat down and listen to the man from the FBI remind me that I had been given a document from the federal government several years ago informing me of the fact that I no longer had control of my power technology because it had been deemed to be in the interests of the American people for it to remain in the control of federal authorities and that I was not to talk about it directly with other people, especially nationals of foreign countries without permission from the folks in
Washington DC.
He also reminded me that to do so would be breaking the law and committing a federal offence, which is a big thing here in America. He went on to tell me that he was there in official capacity as an investigator from the FBI to see if i had indeed broken the law. Why had I broken the law? Because I had been discussing my technology with other people without the permission of the folks in Washington DC. I asked them how they knew that I had spoken to people about my technology and they told me that: First of all, it was not MY TECHNOLOGY. I had no rights concerning it at all. It is under the control of the federal government for the benefit of the people of the United States.
Second, The ownership of the technology is highly questionable.
Third, Do not play games with us Stephen, you know we know that you have been discussing the technology with anybody who will listen! They further accused me of deliberately posting information on the Internet. I said that I absolutely had not! The man from the FBI said that i had been collaborating with a foreign gentlemen in Australia to post information and therefor had been involved in a conspiracy to dispense information which is against the law for me to
do.
Then he pulled out a rather large stack of papers which turned out to be copies of everything posted Internet wise about my technology for the last ten years or whatever. Then my attorney interjected and they got into a long discussion which I didn't listen to very much. I was looking at the man from the Atomic Energy Commission and noted he had a kind face. He smiled at me and we began to talk. He told me that he admired my work very much. He told me that he thought of me as a fellow scientist. He told me that as scientists we had an obligation to protect people from our findings or things we discover if they may be generally harmful to them or the public at large.
He told me that it was the duty of conscientious scientists to keep the black genies in the bottles so as not to harm society any more then necessary. He mentioned the Atomic bomb and how much better the world would be if it never had been invented, right? I said , right! He went on to discuss my technology in detail and reminded me of the destructive capability when the devices reach harmonic perfection. I told him that was a good analogy, or way of putting it. He told my that he didn't think I wanted to be responsible for giving out information making it possible and moreover inevitable that someone would make a big crater of a hole where their house used to stand with resulting death of themselves and possibly their families and neighbors too. He finally finished up with, And for God sake, with the terrorists hunting for weapons of mass destruction, why on earth would you want to hand them something like this to use to kill perhaps many millions of people? Do you think Moslems are not interested in this technology? They have a lot of oil so they would be interested in it for another reason wouldn't they Stephen? I agreed with him and told him I hadn't thought of it in that perspective before.
I told them all that I wasn't trying to do anything wrong at all. I didn't realize the implications of the possible results of talking to you about the technology. I told them that you were an engineer and interested in the scientific possibilities of the discovery only. The agent from the FBI said that I had no real way of knowing who you were and what you might actually be up to did I? I agreed with him. He said that they read everything going into and out of your computer wether or not anything is posted on that web site we guys like so much... He said that the Australian government was allied with the United States regarding this matter and that the Australian authorities would deal with you as need be. However, lets hope it does not become necessary shall we? Yes of course I said? I said, I never meant to get into trouble with this.
I told them I just felt bad because of all the nasty things people were saying about me and that i starting talking to you and you said that you would try and tell the straight story about me and the technology. I have a right to defend my self don't I? The answer was, NO! I am not entitled to defend myself. What i need to do is, to feel good about doing the right thing. I need to do what my government tells me is good for me to do. I need to develop pride in making the correct decision to keep quiet about technology that may hurt other people or even help terrorists to kill many, many others. I was told that With knowledge comes responsibility!!! I told them I never intended to do anything wrong. I was sorry. I asked them to please forgive me and not to put me in prison. They said they could prefer charges against me at any time but are reluctant because of my well meaning attitude as displayed during the meeting.
They told me that It would be a good idea if I told you to post information saying that I had no intention of revealing anything about my experiments or how the demonstrations were accomplished to the extent that they convinced so many people of their authenticity. That the demonstrations were more for amusement then anything else and that I am making it very clear that I never intended to convince the public at large. People attempting to duplicate anything they have seen in my demonstrations will not be able to do so and should not try. I asked them if I had their permission to tell you about today and they said yes of course. So........... that is what happened to me today. How was your day Lindsay?
Sincerely,
SM
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That picture sure is tiny actually unreadable to me,can't make out anything on it. But I guess the important part is the pulsing behavior.
@ Broli
From what I see of the picture it is not their Vorktex unit but a comparison of a standard electrical generator and all the parts that make it up.
There is a remark at the bottom of the picture that says "This was the old way to make power looks like a lot of parts ! " so I take it as the comparison of the standard generator compared to his units that require no movement.
Regards,
Paul
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@ Broli
From what I see of the picture it is not their Vorktex unit but a comparison of a standard electrical generator and all the parts that make it up.
There is a remark at the bottom of the picture that says "This was the old way to make power looks like a lot of parts ! " so I take it as the comparison of the standard generator compared to his units that require no movement.
Regards,
Paul
@Broli @Goat
Please have a look at the Photo Galery page http://www.vorktex.ca/page/230944205 (http://www.vorktex.ca/page/230944205)
There are some Pics that describe , how he was doing the first setup and get succsess.
He finaly states, that there is a frequency of several thausend Herz needet , to get the device working.
The one pic shows just a motor as usual.
What i came up with was a coil pack that when pulsing the coil it pushed the magnetic feild off the coil pack then as the wave from the pulse stoped we could collect the back energy from that same wire and use it to power a battery. With my design and testing i found parts that worked with a certian wire as well as certain magnet sizes. The fact remains all i am doing is causing a magnetic feild to cross over the wires in a coil and then use that power to charge the battery.
and then
Ok so then i came along and discovered that there was a secret to the magnets and the wire as well as the coils. What i found was that a wave to pulse into the coil is not a normal wave. The wave we use helps us getmore power back out of out coil setup. the power going into the coil pack is between 1000 - 2000 Hz. Most people when they build my style of unit use a regular wave form and try to remove the power and that is the problem. You need to think outside the box. People im sure you can do it if you try real hard and have lots of free time.
helmut
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Well it appears the Dragons Den deal fell through. Since Magnacoster (Robert) is either a fool or a liar I'd be curious to hear from him why he couldn't get the capital from Brett.
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Hey FunkyJive,
I couldn't help but notice the descriptions you gave about photons like smoke rings etc. were pretty much word for word what Stan Deyo talks about in these videos,
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=nP4zQ4R8vJg
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ubka5f1vUC8
and so on...
Are you actually this guy? Naturally when someone eludes to 'top secret' projects that they can't tell us more about I get suspicious of why the 'teaser' info was presented as their own in the 1st place.
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Hmmm, I hope Richards knowledge and level of understanding can keep up with his ego, LOL.
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Anyone here planning on buying a unit? Will post results if it works as claimed?
-Mike R.
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I have a better device to sell. It is magneticly frozen ice with no input except the magnetic field. It is only 400.00 dollars and has a 100 percent guarantee. Just send it back to me within 30 days, with all of the ice still in its frozen condition and I will send all your money back, less the 400.00 dollars you paid me. USING THE DEVICE WILL VOID THE WARANTEE. IF THE ICE IS NOT FROZEN WHEN YOU RECEIVE IT, YOUR WARANTEE IS VOID. You have to pay the postage if you return it.
Similar to Magnacoasters guarantee posted below this one, but far better.
PS I HAVE SOME T SHIRTS TO SELL ALSO: They say: FAT PEOPLE MAKE BETTER TARGETS.
We offer a 30 day money back guarantee from date of purchase.
The unit must be deemed in good working order by our staff before the return will be processed.
Any unit that was damaged from improper installation will not be accepted as a return unless there has been a repair made on the unit to replace any and all parts that may be damaged. Buyer to pay any and all shipping and or duty charges back to our plant of any unit in need of repair.
1 year guarantee against manufacturer defects Vorktex power unit.
This does not cover units that have been changed or modified. We are not responsible for units that are damaged due to improper hookup. We are not liable for any damage to batteries or inverters due to improper hookup. We are not liable for any damage to batteries or inverters due to improper sized units and batteries. We are not liable for any damage in shipping. We are not liable for any loss due to loss of power or operation of the unit. Tampering and or altering the unit in any way void’s the guarantee. Buyer to pay any and all shipping and or duty charges back to our plant of any unit in need of repair.
Aims Inverter carries a 1 year from Aims direct.
Coils in the Vorktex unit will carry a 3 year limited guarantee against manufacturer defects
This does not cover units that have been changed or modified.
We are not responsible for units that are damaged due to improper hookup.
We are not liable for any damage to batteries or inverters due to improper hookup.
We are not liable for any damage to batteries or inverters due to improper sized units and batteries.
We are not liable for any damage in shipping.
We are not liable for any loss due to loss of power or operation of the unit.
Tampering and or altering the unit in any way void’s the guarantee.
Buyer to pay any and all shipping and or duty charges back to our plant of any unit in need of repair.
Call us before you ship any part so as we can give you the correct way to package and ship defective parts back to us as well as shipping information
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If this magnet/coil setup can run between 5khz and 6khz, it has a striking similarity to the Stephen Marks TPU. The coil that gets hot is a similar symptom that the TPU had as well. :o
Is Magnacoaster using same poles, say N to N, facing each other to cause the current to flow in the coils when pulsed?
Will this cause demagnetizing of the NIB magnets, over say several months, of constant pulsing N to N fields to the magnets?
-Mike R.
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I see he did the show last week but this is getting worse every time i take a peek. Why bother going to a show with a non working prototype unit behind plastic screen? Why does the booth look like this was setup in 20 seconds flat? Why carry on using big boxes with tacky stickers on them looks like a 5 years old toy box?
Where are all the orders and shipments sent out since February? How many more "NEW" timing boards can be made? Why has the giant factory plans employing 4500 staff still at 2 people one year later? How come the new premises has transpired into a small lock up with rent about 20 bucks a week?
Why does his website look like it was made by a teenager back in 1995?
Does any of the above look like a rapidly expanding business with solid OU technology?
Anyone have any answers?
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"Anyone have any answers?"
Sure, I have answers. Here are some: Don't buy free energy devices from someone who wears "Fat People Do (or Are) XX" tee-shirts to a business meeting with a potential million dollar investor.
Don't buy free energy devices that need batteries to run.
And, finally, don't believe YouTube videos without independent confirmation.
Magnacoaster's entire attitude is one of contempt for the suckers. I'll bet he laughs his way to the bank, just about every day. The only things of value he's got are the tee-shirts. They make pretty good dog blankets.
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@ Bolt
This may not be the answers to your questions but I thought I'd post it in case it might make sense to someone here on the forum....
From http://www.vorktex.ca/page/277176203 :
"The secret to our units is best described as the following :
Power if pulsed into coils in the right format can remove the fields from the windings.
The magnetic field will return and cause a higher voltage and amperage then the pulsed power.
You need to remove the AC power on the output as you can only output DC to the battery.
The battery is used as a treatment for the Frequency of the power as it is pulsed DC.
Richard's Version
How it Works Laymans terms
Our Revolutionary Patented Process:
We pulse an electrical charge into a set of coils that are wrapped by neodymium magnets.
This pulse dissipates the internal field of the magnets.
When the pulse stops, the magnetic field returns creating a supercharged electric output.
We then collect this high output back from the coils.
This high output of power is then rectified and returned to the battery that it came from.
Don's Version"
I find it interesting that a couple of things mentioned like "Power if pulsed into coils in the right format" and "wrapped by neodymium magnets" might hold some value as opposed to the normal way of pulsing coils but then again it's all speculation at this point until we see "One unit" being tested by a reputable source :)
Still holding my breath and slowly turning blue..... :P
Regards,
Paul
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"Our revolutionary patented process"
Can anybody tell me the patent number?
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There is none. Richard is to cheap to actually apply for a patent.
But saying there is one might trick some easily fooled invester.....
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Hi All
Sterling D. Allan has updated information on the latest "Magnacoaster Vorktex nearing commercial rollout" at http://pesn.com/2009/07/10/9501552_Magnacoaster_Vorktex_products_nearing/ which includes an audio interview and also a link to the patent at http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20090528&CC=WO&NR=2009065219A1&KC=A1 which includes schematics and information that may be of use to some in trying to figure out how this device works.
Thank you Sterling D. Allan and Richard Willis for the update :)
Regards,
Paul
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This guy is still going unlike his unproven devices
Now he's saying he has developed a new coil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXG299jSrVw&feature=channel_page
Bang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9OR_7ufcSE&feature=channel_page
14 videos on his channel page
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Magnacoastermotors&view=videos
z z z z z
cat
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Attached is the patent in a html document.
I've embedded the images with the pertinent text to make it easier to read through.
There appears to be errors in Fig 1 & Fig 6 related to the output bridge. Surely he is not purposely reverse biasing the diodes.
Also I did some initial test of the circuit and have not seen anything interesting so far. Still much to try.
-Duff
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Attached is the patent in a html document.
I've embedded the images with the pertinent text to make it easier to read through.
There appears to be errors in Fig 1 & Fig 6 related to the output bridge. Surely he is not purposely reverse biasing the diodes.
Also I did some initial test of the circuit and have not seen anything interesting so far. Still much to try.
-Duff
I looked over the schematic and, frankly, don't see anything that looks like it will work. I say this because I've done a fair amount of experimenting with MEG setups.
The problem I found with the MEG is that switched magnetic current (from a permanent magnet) does NOT produce electricity through a coil. I switched magnetic current through the core of a coil in a variety of configurations, but it would never produce any power. I could see the switching pulse quite clearly, but there was no difference in output when the magnet was removed from the circuit. I even switched the magnetic current mechanically, with the same negative result. However, as soon as there is any movement, current is generated.
Based on my experience, I believe that magnetic current from a PM will not produce electricity in a coil without some sort of mechanism to alter the phase of the B and H fields. For the same reason that DC is not created by wrapping a coil of wire around a magnet, the MEG fails to produce power.
The "law" that states that changing magnetic current in a core induces power is not entirely correct. If it were, a square wave would not pass through a transformer, which it will. The "law" would be more precise by stating that current can be induced through a transformer as long as there is a phase differential between voltage and current in the input signal. As soon as this phase differential disappears, as in DC, the transformer ceases to work.
This is the same with any MEG. Unless a mechanism, such as movement, is found that can change the phase of the B and H fields, no extra power can be created.
Perhaps this mechanism has been discovered by Magnacoaster and purposely left out of the patent, I don't know. Nevertheless, I have experimented with an almost identical setup in the past and obtained no results.
This is one of the reasons I question Bearden's apparent success with the MEG. In his incessant ramblings, he fails to mention the simple facts I have presented above. Anyone who has ever tried to build a MEG has run into these issues. The MEG is not a complicated device, yet he makes it sound like some exotic machine. Why doesn't he explain the working of a MEG in simple language? He either figured out a way to shift the phase without movement, or he's full of it (I chose the latter until proven otherwise).
Anyway, that's my two cents.
Cheers,
Ted
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You are totaly correct in your findings, Ted.
If you wonder why a MEG doesn't work then please have a look at the explanation below.
All ferromagnetic materials has a magnetic min/max level and this is called the B/H hysteresis curve.
A magnet inserted into a transformer circuit will shift the B/H curve of the ferromagnetic material.
In dynamic mode (pulsing) you repeatedly have to force the shifted B/H curve back and forth past zero level.
This takes just as much power as you gained by inserting the magnet.
But wait....it gets even worse. When you insert a powerful neodymium into a transformer you
actually force the ferromagnetic core close to saturation in each pulse cycle and this causes a
lot of power loss on every pulse repetition. These losses are a lot higher than a regular transformer
that is working safely away from being saturated.
There you have it. A magnet boosted transformer, aka MEG, will always perform less good than any
regular transformer.
Simply put:
You can't redirect the static flux from an inserted magnet without spending the same amount of
electrical energy in the coils. Gain ZERO
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You are totaly correct in your findings, Ted.
If you wonder why a MEG doesn't work then please have a look at the explanation below.
All ferromagnetic materials has a magnetic min/max level and this is called the B/H hysteresis curve.
A magnet inserted into a transformer circuit will shift the B/H curve of the ferromagnetic material.
In dynamic mode (pulsing) you repeatedly have to force the shifted B/H curve back and forth past zero level.
This takes just as much power as you gained by inserting the magnet.
But wait....it gets even worse. When you insert a powerful neodymium into a transformer you
actually force the ferromagnetic core close to saturation in each pulse cycle and this causes a
lot of power loss on every pulse repetition. These losses are a lot higher than a regular transformer
that is working safely away from being saturated.
There you have it. A magnet boosted transformer, aka MEG, will always perform less good than any
regular transformer.
Simply put:
You can't redirect the static flux from an inserted magnet without spending the same amount of
electrical energy in the coils. Gain ZERO
Hi Ergo,
I'll have to disagree with your hypothesis based on my own experience. While what you say about saturation has some merit, it does NOT take as much energy to switch a magnetic path as is contained in the flow. Joe Flynn has proven this, among others, in his Parallel Path research. Theoretically it's about a 4 to 1 gain in physical force measured as attraction between metal objects due to the electrical control signal alone compared to the switched circuit. Reality is closer to 3 to 1, but this is still a significant gain.
The reason the MEG doesn't work is not due to hysteresis loss or saturation issues (which I am well aware of). In my opinion it rather has everything to do with phase differential of the B and H fields. I have proven this to my own satisfaction through experimental results and encourage others to do likewise.
Joe Flynn and Jack Hilden Brand have both developed this principal into functional motive devices for all to see, yet it is still almost completely ignored in academia. Not that this surprises me, but rather it is but one more reason to look beyond accepted academic dogma in order to discover new technologies.
Cheers,
Ted
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I'm well aware of both the HildenBrand and Flynn motors but they have never been proven overunity.
There's several replications on the Flynn device and it seems like you getting a free meal.
But none of those replicants took the importance core area into play.
If they had tested twice the core area they would have noticed that it would render the same
force as having half the area and a magnet inserted at the same amount of power input.
When it comes to generating magnetic fields then there is only three things that matter.
1) Using a closed loop whithout any airgaps whatsoever, aka the toroid shape.
2) The permeability of the core. higher is better.
3) The ferromagnetic core size, larger is better.
I have tested both the HildenBrand valve and the Flynn concept numerous times.
In all occasions I found the same force being generated when using twice the core area.
In my book there is no overunity to be found from either HildenBrand or Flynn.
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This video shows
a special MEG with 240 % efficiency:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-avdbf9B1w
For more info go to this thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4300.0
Regards, Stefan.
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Sorry to hear your test results didn't show you anything Ergo. Fortunately mine did, so I need no further convincing. :)
Cheers,
Ted
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Sorry to hear your test results didn't show you anything Ergo. Fortunately mine did, so I need no further convincing. :)
Cheers,
Ted
If you refer to the boosting "Flynn" effect in your tests then please make the same tests with
twice the core area and no magnets. Then you'll see.... :D
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If you refer to the boosting "Flynn" effect in your tests then please make the same tests with
twice the core area and no magnets. Then you'll see.... :D
I think we may be talking apples and oranges here. There are hundreds of different ways to switch and redirect magnetic current. Many exhibit no practical advantage and some produce a loss. It all depends on what the purpose and application are intended to accomplish.
Permeability and hysteresis have little to do with the core principal of Faraday's law which states: "The induced electromotive force or EMF in any closed circuit is equal to the time rate of change of the magnetic flux through the circuit".
This "law" as stated is conditional. I found that "magnetic flux" is not all the same thing. Faraday's law only holds true as long as the voltage and the current are out of phase, which is nearly always the case in an AC circuit (especially through an inductive load such as a transformer).
However, DC won't produce induction only because the voltage and current are in phase, not because of the lack of change. This has nothing to do with permeability or core size.
Magnets are similar in this respect. Electrical current will only be induced in a coil if the magnet is moving with respect to the coil. Movement alters the phase of the B and H fields, just like AC alters the phase of voltage and current.
When magnetic flux from a permanent magnet is switched through a coil, without any physical movement involved, NO electrical current is produced in the coil from that magnet. I proved this through numerous configurations where magnetic flux from a PM was positively switched through a coil with absolutely no current induced in that coil. In my mind, this absolutely refutes Faraday's contention that it is the change in current that is the only condition for induction.
Which is why I question the MEG. Under "normal" conditions it doesn't work, even though theoretically it should. That is not to say that a way to alter the phase of the B and H fields without movement has not been found. Perhaps it has. This, to me, is the holy grail of MEG building.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the possibility of gain in a switched magnetic configuration either. While trying to get a MEG to work, I found a lot of different ways to switch flux around. Some quite intriguing.
Cheers,
Ted
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@Ted Ewert
"The induced electromotive force or EMF in any closed circuit is equal to the time rate of change of the magnetic flux through the circuit".
This "law" as stated is conditional. I found that "magnetic flux" is not all the same thing. Faraday's law only holds true as long as the voltage and the current are out of phase, which is nearly always the case in an AC circuit (especially through an inductive load such as a transformer).
However, DC won't produce induction only because the voltage and current are in phase, not because of the lack of change. This has nothing to do with permeability or core size.
I would have to agree, it should be understood that if you keep doing the same old things you can expect the same old results. As well, most of what we call "Laws" do have conditions attached to them, that is you must continue to do the same old things in the same old ways for the laws to apply fully. This is why acadamia has failed to produce results, because while they may be good at memorizing what has already been done they lack creativity. The creative mind will seek understanding then build on this to seek creative means around the problem at hand. The creative minds may not be "lawbreakers" but they most certainly bend them to the extreme, LOL.
Regards
AC
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Hi Ted, could you please post some examples, what you found out exactly ? Please specify the used circuit and how you powered it and what the output was. Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Ted, could you please post some examples, what you found out exactly ? Please specify the used circuit and how you powered it and what the output was. Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Here's a simple circuit that illustrates my point.
See image here: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6688/megcircuit.gif (http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6688/megcircuit.gif)
In the unpowered state, magnetic flux flows and is contained within the iron loop. The iron is polarized according to the polarity of the magnet.
The coil is bifiler wound, with one winding being used as the power coil and the other as the load coil. The power coil is driven by a voltage suitable to overcome the force of the magnet (which can be surprisingly low).
When the coil is energized, and a magnetic field is developed counter to that of the magnet, magnet flux from the magnet ceases to flow all the way through the iron. Instead, it is blocked since the polarity of the iron core has been reversed by the energized coil.
When power to the coil is removed, the magnet naturally reestablished the original flux path through the iron by reversing the polarity of the core. Once the polarity is changed, full current once again flows.
The load coil has dutifully recorded this event, which is monitored through a scope and a load power meter. What is seen on the scope clearly shows the power pulse to the coil, but nothing else. There is no signal or power induced once the electrical pulse in the power coil ceases. According to Faraday, there should be electrical current generated in the load coil when the magnet reverses the polarity of the core and reestablishes full flux flow. But there is nothing. I also tried the same circuit with a piece of iron in place of the magnet and got identical results. The magnet made no difference.
This is a simple setup that clearly illustrates why the MEG, in its most common form, doesn't work. Having a magnet stuck on the end of a coil doesn't produce current because there is no movement between the magnet and the coil. Likewise with the MEG.
I encourage anyone interested to replicate this simple circuit and independently verify the conclusions stated above. If anyone can find a way to alter the phase of the B and H fields, as through movement, you'll have free power forever with even the simple circuit shown here.
Cheers,
Ted
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Hi Ted,
I have read your thoughts and findings on the MEG with interest. Years ago I built a MEG as per the Bearden / Naudin setup but I found a COP of 0.86 or so only.
I also realized as it is shown, it is a normal transformer, cannot work otherwise.
I would like to read your take on the so called Bulgarian MEG version where one or two of the permanent magnetic pathes that are closed in themselves like in the MEG are cut by another and independent magnetic pathes that are also closed in themselves. This way the input and output coils cannot induce directly into each other (like in the MEG) because they are placed into the two different magnetic pathes.
I believe induction between the input and output coils can happen only by saturating the core in one of the magnetic pathes, thus the other path "sees" a big magnetic resistance due to the "airgap" thus created. At least this is how I imagine the working principle, see the first post in this thread here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4300.0
Can you agree with this principle? IF your understanding is different on this Bulgarian setup, I would love to read it.
Also, I am aware of magnetic amplifier circuits of the 50s (or max the 60s) when the core included (rectangular or round) holes with coils to excite a certain part of the core, causing local saturation at that part, hence increasing the magnetic resistance. Is this a good approach to apply for building a real MEG-like setup, I wonder?
Thanks, Gyula
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@Ted Ewert
I would have to agree, it should be understood that if you keep doing the same old things you can expect the same old results. As well, most of what we call "Laws" do have conditions attached to them, that is you must continue to do the same old things in the same old ways for the laws to apply fully. This is why acadamia has failed to produce results, because while they may be good at memorizing what has already been done they lack creativity. The creative mind will seek understanding then build on this to seek creative means around the problem at hand. The creative minds may not be "lawbreakers" but they most certainly bend them to the extreme, LOL.
Regards
AC
Good point, I agree. While it's foolish to throw the baby out with the bath water, believing that scientific "laws" are immutable is equally ridiculous.
Science is still in it's infancy. There are vast possibilities open to the discerning mind. Creative experimentation leads to greater understanding of natural processes. Theory is fine, but you have to build it to really understand it. The MEG is a good example of this.
Cheers,
Ted
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Hi Ted,
I have read your thoughts and findings on the MEG with interest. Years ago I built a MEG as per the Bearden / Naudin setup but I found a COP of 0.86 or so only.
I also realized as it is shown, it is a normal transformer, cannot work otherwise.
I would like to read your take on the so called Bulgarian MEG version where one or two of the permanent magnetic pathes that are closed in themselves like in the MEG are cut by another and independent magnetic pathes that are also closed in themselves. This way the input and output coils cannot induce directly into each other (like in the MEG) because they are placed into the two different magnetic pathes.
I believe induction between the input and output coils can happen only by saturating the core in one of the magnetic pathes, thus the other path "sees" a big magnetic resistance due to the "airgap" thus created. At least this is how I imagine the working principle, see the first post in this thread here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4300.0
Can you agree with this principle? IF your understanding is different on this Bulgarian setup, I would love to read it.
Also, I am aware of magnetic amplifier circuits of the 50s (or max the 60s) when the core included (rectangular or round) holes with coils to excite a certain part of the core, causing local saturation at that part, hence increasing the magnetic resistance. Is this a good approach to apply for building a real MEG-like setup, I wonder?
Thanks, Gyula
Hi Gyula,
I haven't built or tested the Bulgarian MEG so I don't know if it works or not. It's an interesting design and looks like it may have possibilities. Perhaps the circular core acts as a phase shift network of some kind.
I don't claim to be any sort of expert on the MEG, I just know that the simple switching of flux from a PM through a coil doesn't produce squat.
Maybe the Bulgarian has solved this problem with his arrangement. Has anyone built a copy?
Ted
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Hi Ted,
Thanks and there is a replication by member Getca, see here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4300.msg134670#msg134670
Gyula
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a new video from Richard and a new device, looks like the old one didn't work after all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9XdEVsHOQA
cat
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@Powercat,
well at least he stated in his video there was a lot of build-ups, a lot of let downs and a lot of trash.
i still see the battery is there. If it ran for a month with a load on the battery he might have something, not an hour.
PS obviously the last one didnt work
as always
kind Regards
Mark
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This is a simple setup that clearly illustrates why the MEG, in its most common form, doesn't work. ...
and the theory of fields explains it.
You have just a superposition of a constant field (from the permanent magnet) and a variable field (from the coil). As the emf in a coil depends only on the change of the magnetic flux, all is happening as if the constant field was inexistant. To remove the magnet and replace it by a piece of material of same permeability but not magnetized does not change the results. Then it is obvious that the output coil can provide energy only from the input coil, and that the magnet has no role here.
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Hi Mark
PS obviously the last one didnt work
Yes,that's the one he went on Dragon's Den with, now who is going to believe anything that this guy claims.
Looking more and more like Richard is a conman
All the best
cat
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What happened to Richard Willis?