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Ben Waballs

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #285 on: March 26, 2008, 04:22:31 PM »
Kensiko,

Two big posts huh? Do you work in his 'office' (kitchen) also? We notice that whenever he needs a boost he invents people to post good stuff about this farce. You sure write like him: '  loosing chance'
Fred Walter of course you can't visit. You know how a meter works!
After I posted the guru video I was sure people would figure out the rest. But I was wrong. Ignorance is the breeding place, the springpost of opportunity, the pit where the deception is bred. The TRUTH scatters them like roaches.
And yet with no proof whatsoever this site blasts his headline for months, further degrading our image in the world. I constructively suggest that we consider other methods. People come here to decide if free energy is real, and if we have anything. A lot of them leave thinking we are crackpots with nothing. Or suckers that believe anything. So far they are right. Thanks.

kensiko

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #286 on: March 26, 2008, 05:03:01 PM »
Hello Ben,

Funny idea to think I'm Richard. I'm from Quebec, Canada and I speak French. Sorry if I sometimes do not write well in English. Call me on Skype if you want, kensiko23.

What guru video are you talking about? I'm newbie in this forum as you can see.

And I do believe we can extract energy from magnets, that is what we call "free energy" that I know is not free. How long will the magnet last is the big question.


magnacoaster

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #287 on: March 26, 2008, 05:22:38 PM »
why is the world full of people that want to yell the sky is falling ?
« Last Edit: March 27, 2008, 12:05:43 AM by magnacoaster »

Ergo

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #288 on: March 26, 2008, 06:18:53 PM »
dont click on the links above, they appear to be viruses

@magna
What kind of crap lie is this, magna?
The links just point towards earlier discussions in this thread that show the real thruth about your dubious business.
And how could a link within the forum point towards a specific virus.
Shame on you trying to hide the truth.... >:(

@the others
I'm not being negative, but I can distinguish a lie from the truth. You have to be undeceivable when facing bad facts.
No one would be happier than me if we, the OU dedicated people, could develop a real working overunity device.
But I'm absolutely convinced that magna is a scam artist. His device is not the holy graal.
Everything he ever told or showed us and the bad facts of his business plan clearly show his real intentions.
If you (the believing readers) had any real knowledge of physics, electronics and how to judge his reports you
would say the same as me. There is no way his device is for real. Period.

@magna
If you want acknowledgement you must let an independent test lab validate your claims.
Unless you do this your'e just pushing snake oil, a really bad snake oil.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2008, 09:14:01 AM by Ergo »

kensiko

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #289 on: March 26, 2008, 06:26:21 PM »
Ergo I agree with your post.

But, I would like to know what you are talking about when you say "his reports".

I need proof that his system cannot work. I do know magnetism and electricity are interrelated, that what's make me think it is possible. I have the knowledge, you can explain in details.

Ergo

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #290 on: March 26, 2008, 06:52:15 PM »
Just read his lousy "reports" within this thread that is lacking all basic technical understanding.
And how do you explain making a business plan based on a OU device long before having invented
the abolutely neccesary OU device that nobody else have been able to invent? It doesn't add up.
It's like having a geenie in a bottle giving them the "impossible OU" device on demand.

If they instead had stumbled upon the solution to an OU device, continued to develop it until proven
and certified overunity by an independent lab or university and then formed a company, I would
of course believe them. Or perhaps I still need to see a public show where people can take their
own measurements on the fly without limitations.

Until further proof I'm totaly sure time will tell them being another line up of scammers.

kensiko

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #291 on: March 26, 2008, 07:05:02 PM »
Yes that is true, and this is why I count on the Green living show to view his system.

You see, Richard, this is very important for you to be there. If you are not, all hopes will be lost.

magnacoaster

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #292 on: March 26, 2008, 11:44:18 PM »
today i have spoken with the govenment here in canada we are now a green light to use the solar cell as the input energy this means we can get grid units out and the end user can get .042 per kwh as for the green show we are in talks with them now as well as a EV project.

Ben Waballs  how is vancouver ?

you wanted so bad to move there all the time you were here i hope now that got your wish it made you happy ! 
i know i miss having some one get me a coffee every day but hey i can go to tims now myself.
are you living with your folks still ? or that cool little hot artist chick that you spent xmas with ?
judy and andrew are they still in your life ?  and did you ever get your cats from judy ?
i know you were hatching a plan to have some one catnap them did it all work out ?


Richard

FunkyJive

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #293 on: March 26, 2008, 11:55:36 PM »
I await the outcome from the "Green Show" with interest, as before that it's impossible to claim or counter-claim - despite the considerable wealth of knowledge in science that we collectively possess.

However, I would agree that any business proposition based on un-proven technology and highly-questionable patentability is a non-starter. It would first be absolutely essential to demonstrate to a patent examiner that such a device is novel and new, and not prior art as detailed in any other invention in history. Citing similar ideas that may have been proven and published by Tesla, Faraday, Bedini, Bearden, or by any other scientist in any journal, would threaten to critically undermine the novelty claims in any such patent.

Even with a provisional application and evidenced novelty, a massive leap of faith on the part of an investor would be necessary to even support prosecution of a patent to full PCT - as the business plan suggests would be required. For a few   speculative high-risk investors this may be achievable - but only with conclusive and independently-verifiable evidence of over-unity - without exception.

However, amongst the MANY searching questions, any investor would also be asking "Am I sufficiently sure that this invention is novel and new, and what will it cost to sustain protection of the invention and my investment"?

Any patent - even a full PCT, is subject to legal challenge at any time following its grant - by any individual or company anywhere in the world, possibly looking to safeguard vested interests in similar technologies (or even fosssil fuel   ;) ). Defending ones-self in the courts would most definitely become a crippling expense, and often the only motive for such a challenge. There is insurance that one can obtain to defend patent challenge, though it's rather difficult to anticipate how insurers would assess risk - and the resulting costs are likely to be extremely high, if obtainable at-all.

Even if all were proven and things are working just great, there are other questions that arise such as "Is this the best and most cost-effective way to achieve this result"? or "Is this the only  way to achieve free energy"?

Although the cost of any high-priced device could be justified from a cost-savings perspective, don't forget the inevitable global competition in the marketplace - with only patent protection and/or registered designs to deter the manufacture of lower-cost domestically-accessible products. Also, from a "market value" perspective, a clever ground-breaking design that achieves over-unity would not automatically win the day against a less-controversial "Free Energy" device that efficiently derives energy from appreciable  available sources that a sceptical market could more readily accept. Such an example would be the Tesla approach, reportedly developing huge amounts of energy from solar disturbances in the Earth's field - operating with no moving parts and offering market opportunities in the manufacture of a small, solid-state "Control box". I have seen reports of successful implementations of such technology, with one notable example yielding between 5kW and 7kW (night/day variable) power from just 82ft of wire stretched between two poles!  Furthermore, with high market demand, how much would the control boards for such units cost to manufacture in China or eastern Europe for example, and how quickly could an awaiting market be flooded with such products?

Notwithstanding the added need of safety certification and type-approvals, my considered approach would therefore be to grow such a business gradually if necessary, investing personally in the first unit(s) and then re-invest the capital to grow the business as sales mature to evidence demand. If demand out-strips supply and available resource, you would then have an excellent case to present to an investor (or bank for an immediate bridging loan) for floating capital, based on informed projections from demonstrable business and market demand.

With considerable experience in patenting and marketing myself (with a mid-90's PCT to my name, and enough successful and  failed attempts to draw plenty of experience and wisdom from), I just cannot believe that ventures of this kind are compatible with a "Big Bang" model to investment and growth proposed in the publicised business plan.


That said, I would dearly love to see any such invention prove conclusively, once and for all, that over-unity is indeed possible. I would admit to a leaning in this direction, though remain open and objective to either of the two possible outcomes.

With the benefit of doubt in the current project I would say "Good luck Magnacoaster", and don't  miss that show !!!   :)


All the best,

FunkyJive

« Last Edit: March 27, 2008, 01:59:52 AM by FunkyJive »

supersam

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #294 on: March 28, 2008, 03:18:41 AM »
at@all

just hide and watch, he will not make toronto!

lol,
sam

ps:good luck MAGNA!

AbbaRue

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #295 on: March 31, 2008, 10:22:18 AM »
I always used to say the real test of a true OU device is to have it run by itself for longer then is possible with the
amount of power fed into it to get it working.
But I have come to realize that it's possible that a true OU device may not be able to run itself because of laws 
that conflict between input and output. (That's the best way I know how to put it).

SO I came up with a solution to this type of problem.
Build 2 copies and have the output from the one run the second one and then have the second one run the first.
I can see conditions that would make this the only way to do it.
Also building 2 working units will prove it can be duplicated.
I mention this because I don't trust any measuring devices no mater how accurate they claim to be.
The only sure test of OU is to have a closed system that once started requires no additional input.

The only exception would be a device that clearly puts out far more then is put in.
Like having a device run by a couple of AA batteries powering a 1000 Watt baseboard heater. 

From what I have seen on these videos, if this device really works you should be able to connect 10 AA batteries to it and
use it to run that drill and the jigsaw.  Unless you cut the video, it showed the system running the drill as soon as you started it.
It would be almost impossible that the battery could have recharged that fast to run the drill so the device must have been running it.

So this device could very easily run the drill and jigsaw after being started by 10 AA rechargeable batteries.
And you wouldn't have to worry about blowing anything up, the rechargeable batteries would work just like the dead car battery.

I understand how using capacitors wouldn't work, because caps. don't regulate voltage.
They would just keep charging to a higher voltage until they match the voltage output of the circuit.
But a battery can only be charged to the voltage it is designed for, so it acts as a voltage regulator.
Also a caps. voltage drops continuously as you draw power from it, but a battery maintains it's voltage for some time.



MagnaTruth

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #296 on: April 02, 2008, 08:19:00 PM »
Hi Richard.

This is Jo here. Not sure who the Ben Waballs dude is, but glad you remember me in any event.

For all of you on the outside, I am the copyright holder, cameraman and occasional commentator on the now famous video that shows the old magnacoaster unit running using a "dead" battery.

I have asked Mr. Willis to remove the video from youtube and stop using it as a marketing tool, and he has ignored my request.

Mr. Willis is aware of the fact that this video proves nothing, as others in this thread have documented. He has been repeatedly advised of the fact that no conclusions can be made from this "test".

While I wish Mr. Willis well, and hope that he succeeds in his quest for O/U, I must question why he must post this video from last year when he is trying to prove the validity of his current system.

Perhaps it is because his most recent post, which "demonstrates" his system, ends after about 20 minutes when the 11 lightbulbs that someone else counted go dark and the inverter appears to sound its "low battery" alarm.

Oddly enough, this is roughly the length of time that a charged car battery will power such a load.

These are the videos uploaded 3 weeks ago, and he may edit out that portion now as it may hurt business, but I have copies if anyone wants to see them unedited.

Over unity power generation is a reality, and I have seen it. But not on the magnacoaster videos.

Proof of O/U means accurately measuring real power in and real power out, not phantom power.

Perhaps you can show us something more worthy of your talents.

Good luck.

PS Richard, thank you for your "concern" about my personal life, but please keep this discussion on topic.



today i have spoken with the govenment here in canada we are now a green light to use the solar cell as the input energy this means we can get grid units out and the end user can get .042 per kwh as for the green show we are in talks with them now as well as a EV project.

Ben Waballs  how is vancouver ?

you wanted so bad to move there all the time you were here i hope now that got your wish it made you happy ! 
i know i miss having some one get me a coffee every day but hey i can go to tims now myself.
are you living with your folks still ? or that cool little hot artist chick that you spent xmas with ?
judy and andrew are they still in your life ?  and did you ever get your cats from judy ?
i know you were hatching a plan to have some one catnap them did it all work out ?


Richard


kensiko

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #297 on: April 02, 2008, 08:36:30 PM »
Hello MagnaTruth,

So you are saying that his system doesn't work, isn't it? But you also say you saw O/U power generation, but where? With Richard's system?

b0rg13

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #298 on: April 02, 2008, 09:03:23 PM »
the proof has been there all along for this device, no real video, no one is allowd to go check it out with meters and stuff,dosent want to open source it, but wants a CRAP load of money, its been screaming scam from the begining. ::)

MagnaTruth

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #299 on: April 02, 2008, 09:41:29 PM »
I would love for Richard's system to achieve what he believes to be its potential.

I have seen O/U but not from Richard's systems.

The  video was my first exposure to such systems.

I have a much higher threshold of proof today.


Hello MagnaTruth,

So you are saying that his system doesn't work, isn't it? But you also say you saw O/U power generation, but where? With Richard's system?