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hakware

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #210 on: February 25, 2008, 10:10:37 AM »
I have been quiet watching this thread.

I call bullshit. This is another lost hope and dream. Lets see some real data.
Schematics anyone? oh wait, theres a hamster in that wheel! Ahh, that explains it.

The best part of that video was the guys T shirt which reads
"fat people are hard to kidnap!" and I would be willing to bet the only truth
to the whole video.

Move along people, nothing to see here.

Kent

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #211 on: February 25, 2008, 02:23:14 PM »


The best part of that video was the guys T shirt which reads
"fat people are hard to kidnap!" and I would be willing to bet the only truth
to the whole video.


Well,
I guess this video was probably not shot to show
the device to a worldwide publicum,
probably just as a personal documentary or to show the
main function to a few friends.

This is probably also,
why they pulled it off from Youtube.


I agree with EMdevices,
that you can pull out some more energy
out of a battery, when you match the impedance,
BUT they have shown to pull out about 500 Watts
constantly for several minutes in this video.
This would mean at 12 Volts pulling out about 42 Amperes
constantly...

Before it was not possible to pull out at all maybe a few amps
to start the inverter.. so the battery was really dead.

So I don?t know, either it was faked somehow, so that he
hiddenly connected another 12 Volts power source
or the device is for real and really delivers so much energy.

Just via impedance matching alone it can not be explained
to pull so much power from the dead battery for several minutes.

Regards, Stefan.

EMdevices

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #212 on: February 25, 2008, 02:41:20 PM »
Quote
This would mean at 12 Volts pulling out about 42 Amperes
constantly...

Stefan, did they measure the 42 Amperes in the video?   I don't remember seeing it, but I'll tell you, if a battery is starting to go dead the inverters will not work, they realy depend on that current.   What I do remember seeing is the drill and jigsaw running idle.  (not loaded down)  This does not consume much power at all, its when they are loaded that they realy start drawing that current.  And if you noticed, when he started to drill the wood, it woldn't work to well and he kept saying stuff to excuse the situtation.  He has quite a bit of inertia built up in the motor and as he was drilling in short spurts,  the motor seemed to stall, then he would pause for a second to let it build back up in speed and tried drilling again. 

Here's another way to think about this situation.  

A large battery internal impedance will only rub us of power if current flows.   It's those I^R losses.    Now, even when we are matched,   we still waste half the power.    Now,  we can be more efficient in extracting that power from the battery, with a very high impedance load so only a little bit of current flows and our I^2 R losses are as small as possible.   But the average power goes down.  However,  if we need pulsed power, we can get a lot of it.    Imagine you let the charge leak slowly out of the battery into a capacitor, then short the capacitor.  That would be a burst of power.    In this case,  the power leaks slowly into INERTIA of the motor, then he uses that power to drill in short bursts so he won't stall the motor.    But as far as running a motor without being loaded down, that doesn't draw much current.  So seeing a jigsaw and a drill just spinning is not an indication of power.   I bet those two things alone draw less then one watt in idle mode.

Having said all that, there is still some merit to this kind of setup, and that is to extract the very last drop of energy from a battery.

EM

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #213 on: February 25, 2008, 02:46:57 PM »
EM,
just take your hand drill and jigsaw and
measure the input current while you drill or saw.

Probably not lower than 5 Amps at 110 Volts...

EMdevices

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #214 on: February 25, 2008, 02:56:10 PM »
Stefan, I agree,  when in operation (or loaded down) those devices can draw quite a bit of current, hence power.

So, do we know what speed his flywheel was running at? 

If we can get that figure, we can approximate the energy in the flywheel, and see how much power he can put out in short bursts.

EM

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #215 on: February 25, 2008, 03:45:17 PM »
EM,

Maybe you should watch the video first all the way through before you 'enlighten' us. The point is, first he hooks a dead battery to the inverter, and it wont even come on. Then he hooks his little bitty bedini wheel to it, (very poorly made also) and it runs the drill etc. That little wheel is never going to make those drills run in that time frame through that battery, never.
It shouldnt be hard to track these guys down. Thats what they are deathly afraid of. Their site has all the info you need. Just send an email saying you are ready to buy one of their units!:) They will fall all over themselves to write you back.
If they have the balls to proclaim what they have then there is no reason not to have them stand up and be recognized. As he illiterately said, its about the environment, right?:)




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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #216 on: February 25, 2008, 04:17:37 PM »
Ben,  I watched the video all the way through.  I'm trying to save you money.  If you don't find my advice and insight usefull, I'm sorry.

Best of luck to you.

EM

hakware

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #217 on: February 25, 2008, 08:03:58 PM »
The point is, first he hooks a dead battery to the inverter, and it wont even come on. Then he hooks his little bitty bedini wheel to it, (very poorly made also) and it runs the drill etc. That little wheel is never going to make those drills run in that time frame through that battery, never.

And Ben there lies the problem, their poorly made video allows enough time while the thing is running up in speed to allow someone to hook up another battery to the circuit. I don't think this could be construed as a FE device. Allot of us have spent litterally THOUSANDS of dollars trying to duplicate these machines and so far have had little or mostly no results.
My bet is nothing becomes from this except legendary status for the "inventors" while everyone chases the gold at the end of the rainbow.

If it is real. it needs to be open sourced so that people can duplicate it and verify that is real. without verification there will be no investment money, and absolutely no futher development. Anyone that has been in this long enough knows that anyone who tries to go commercial never gets the idea out the door.

just my .02

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #218 on: February 25, 2008, 11:17:07 PM »
@all,

you might want to notice there must have been some editing over time in the video.  at some point he went and put on shoes.  i didn't ee him do this in the videobut he has shoes on at the end of the video, was that the next day or the next week?  he, han't changed the t-shirt or shorts. eooh!

lol
sam


ps: magnacaster surely you can do better than this video!  it really wouldn't take much, if you want that kind of money.  sorry if this seems sceptical, unreasonably,  but someone once told me, "the first impression, is usually the one people remember!"  please keep that in mind.

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #219 on: February 26, 2008, 01:57:05 AM »
   Just take a look at the proto hildenbrand motor. That kind of workmanship would go far. You dont go to a job interview in shorts and tshirt and bare feet for sure. First impression is seventy percent of the battle.

thaelin

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #220 on: February 27, 2008, 04:40:16 PM »
Looking at magnacoasters profile, you will see that he checks in every day. Strange huh? Not posting anything to all the questions, but reading them all? Also, read his posts, they are very funny in an illiterate way. I bet this character has had a lot of problems with people in his short uneducated life. Where you at, magnacoaster? We know you are here...

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #221 on: February 28, 2008, 01:45:36 AM »
well i have no idea why i come and go could be i have the site tabed in browser so it opnens every time i open a window

UPDATE:

new unit is running in my lab works well will do a video up and let you all see in the next day
have a bit of tweaking yet to do but its ready to go.

move into our traing facility in Kitchener in march as soon as the other tenent gets out we can start hiring people
and we can get into production.

New unit is quiet and seems to like the electronic parts i used to make the circuit no more points
what a difference.


Richard

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #222 on: February 28, 2008, 02:13:00 AM »
Richard good for you !!!  I'm really looking forward to that video. Chet

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #223 on: February 28, 2008, 05:04:39 AM »
@magnacoaster

I think you should try and find a student that studies in marketing and/or cinematgraphy or something to give you a hand in making your video. Plan every part of your video. Write the script. No joke man. This is f*&&in important. I never said your device does not work and that's the reason I am so pissed off because you are not giving it the justice it deserves. But dammit man, you will take care of all the finer details of your device but when it comes to "show and tell", you're flunking the grade. Please make this one the good one. All the way back on page one of this thread we had already covered this question. Make your video so a child of 10 years old can understand. Then us 12 year olds will for sure. lol. THEN THE WORLD WILL FOR SURE.

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #224 on: February 28, 2008, 06:35:08 PM »
ok so i watched the video a few times. at some point he does say hold on ive got to put my shoes on. so thus solving the whole "where did the shoes  come from". ive done my homework and seen all possible outcomes. THIS GUY IS REAL AND HE HAS MADE WHAT HE SAYS HE HAS MADE. we are just so used to being lied to that we expect everyone to be lieing. stop being afraid to take this leap people. this is legit. but then again me saying it isnt going to make you believe any easier. check out this guys website. look into what he is saying and cross reference it with what he is doing. it all matches and adds up. perhaps the reason for him not having it on the shelves yet is because of narrow minded people running things out there and not wanting to hear what he has to say. think about it,,,this is going to TOTALLY change everything we know , everything we do.    who would want that,,,change is scary  (for children yes) :P