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Author Topic: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load  (Read 224331 times)

Offline dani1

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #75 on: July 20, 2007, 12:11:15 AM »
MC,
I have attached a simplified schematic.
Please explain the questionmarks to us. Is it correct?
Did you measured Stefans Amps and voltages?

Thanks! It is great work!
Dani

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #76 on: July 21, 2007, 06:41:33 PM »
ok just to post a stupid question....

first of all though, this is spectacular i really hope that this turns out to be true OU because the idea seems great and MC seems like a pretty cool guy for posting all of this here.

Ok the question, will you be posting the design plans and layout for others to replicate? Or are you going to attempt to patent and keep it closed source as things progress... i really hope not, im so sick of cool projects going underground to never be heard of again its saddening and i'd really love to be able to replicate something like this and say hey this actually worked.

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #77 on: July 21, 2007, 08:16:29 PM »
@dani1

The picture you are referring too has been outdated many months ago. MC had since migrated to his new design shown on Page 7, reply #64, but I think even this picture does not show some of his most recent workovers.

MC comes in, goes out for a while and comes back on and off as his project progresses. But you can see his progression is positive and he is using great ideas.

@cchance

Definitely not a stupid question. This goes to the heart of the intent of the inventor which from my standpoint up to now is one of open source, otherwise disclosing this info and progression here and on youtube thus far has no purpose in a closed intent.

The more people that know about this device the better. Eventually I am sure there will be plans but in any case, if there is a positive third party OU report, he can easilly make and sell the plans so he can re-coup his time and effort. Maybe even sell it in parts like Ikea.

@MC

I hope you are making copies of your build plans and have them held with many people of confidence.

Also, if you plan to go back to the university, ask them in advance how much time they are going to alot for their testing and what calibrated instruments they HAVE on hand. If it is only an hour or so, your testing protocal must be geared to get right to the point using the smallest battery possible. If they plan to keep it runing for several hours, then you have more leaway in what types of testing can be made. Think of this very carefully and in advance. Try and eliminate all possible surprises (battery dead, spare parts in case of a bad short circuit, spare coils, etc.). Lots of tests get blown off because of bad preplanning. Take pictures or a video. Make a drawing of their testing bench, showing test points and instrument settings, etc.

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #77 on: July 21, 2007, 08:16:29 PM »
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Offline JamesThomas

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #78 on: July 21, 2007, 11:07:02 PM »
Are we nearing that place where MC, his videos and website all disappear, and we are left without the critical information necessary for replication?

Why, oh why -- if and when people really have something -- don't they take the time and effort to present the important details so that even an idiot like me could build one? Or has MC done that and I'm just too stupid to see it? Or is this as good as it gets: a confusing box of wheels and stuff? ???

j

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #79 on: July 21, 2007, 11:31:46 PM »
Are we nearing that place where MC, his videos and website all disappear, and we are left without the critical information necessary for replication?

Why, oh why -- if and when people really have something -- don't they take the time and effort to present the important details so that even an idiot like me could build one? Or has MC done that and I'm just too stupid to see it? Or is this as good as it gets: a confusing box of wheels and stuff? ???

j

There will be no more of the good stuff simply because he does probably not have overunity.
Magnacoaster want us to believe that his machine is capable OU but it's most certainly not unless he makes a self runner.
If he had 2700% overunity then it would be a simplest task in the world to create a self runner.
He cannot say that you need "this and that" to make it run and that it prevents it to self run. It's simply not true!

1) Connect a generator to the output shaft.
2) Connect the generator output to an AC-DC power supply with proper output voltage fitting the needs of the motor.
3) Connect the AC-DC output to the input of the motor by a diode.
4) Kick start the motor-generator setup by an external power source.
5) Disconnect the external power source when the motor has reached it's nominal speed.
6) Connect external extra loads at the generator output (Bulbs, resistors) to show the OU capacity of the setup.
7) Now you have a self runner. Every excuse to avoid this setup is bullshit from the inventor and his device is not OU.

Iv'e been reading many posts here at OU forum for a while now and I'm still amazed from the lack of basic electrical understanding.
Over and over some guy reports OU without having a clue how to perform accurate measurements.
And this guy is always wrong and his device is crap. I don't hope Magnacoaster belong in that category.  :(

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #79 on: July 21, 2007, 11:31:46 PM »
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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #80 on: July 21, 2007, 11:59:02 PM »
Ergo:
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I don't hope Magnacoaster belong in that category.


Nor do I. He seems very sincere, and has put a lot of time and work into his project; which is what makes it so puzzling as to why the extra little addition you have stated above is not done immediately upon thinking one might have an OU device. He certainly has the skill and means.

Perhaps it is a cognitive dissonance, were we will jump through every hoop but the simple one that will prove our machine a OU success or not. We would rather use up as much time as possible hoping it is, than close the loop and find it is not.

I hope Magnacoaster, the greatest success.

j

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2007, 12:05:18 AM »
I hope Magnacoaster, the greatest success.
j

Me to, but I encourage Magnacoaster to make the self runner we all want.

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2007, 12:05:18 AM »
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Offline dani1

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #82 on: July 22, 2007, 08:19:49 PM »
In my opinion MCs setup is just like the electromagnetic wankel of the Tom Bearden website at http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/jap/fig8a.jpg with an attached generator.
Am i right?

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #83 on: July 23, 2007, 07:49:32 PM »
Who knows?
It's almost impossible to tell from the few pictures on the net.

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #83 on: July 23, 2007, 07:49:32 PM »
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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #84 on: July 25, 2007, 11:51:39 AM »
input voltage to motor
12 vdc @ 1.5 amps

output from motor circuit
200 vac @ 2.5 amps

Hi Magnacoaster.

Have you performed any oscilloscope measurements of the 200VAC output?
How does the waveform look? I'd like to know the shape, duration, rise time and voltage level of the output?
Please post a picture if possible.

I don't get the thing about putting back the output to the battery? This sounds very strange to me.
In a motor/generator design there should be an input to the system and an output of the generated voltage.
Why do you try to direct the output back into the battery????? This makes no sense.
Wouldn't it be easier to just rectify the output and then dump it into a resistor to calculate the efficiency.
When rectifying you should use a large capacitor to smooth the output to get accurate voltage readings.
Input       = volt x current
Output     = volt x volt / resistor value
Efficiency = Output / Input

I belive this could clear things up regarding the gain of your design! And it's easy for people to understand.
If your measurements show overunity, then please make a self runner as suggested to finally prove your design.
All you need is an AC-DC converter to fit the 200VAC output voltage to 12VDC input voltage. I can help you with this.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2007, 08:48:01 AM by Honk »

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #85 on: July 27, 2007, 03:54:20 AM »
just to put your minds to rest i am alive and well

Back in the lab today and on this test we had a pull of 10 amps @ 200 volts ac
out we were looking at the unit with a scopeand as you can see these are the numbers

as well i will be adding stuff as we go along so you can all be up to date

this picture was off the coil with a load of 10 amps on the rectified voltage it is
taking 12 volts @ 1.5 amps dc

we had a failure as the wire we have in the coil could not handle the amps
we burned out the coil in a few places (new coil back in the box and back in running)
we did not intend to draw off 10 amps it just was stuck in that spot on the slide adjustment

Richard

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #86 on: July 27, 2007, 08:40:46 AM »
Thanks for the feedback.

The scope picture looks kind of interesting.....???
It shows that the output is 350V top to top and triangular at 1.6Mhz.
This also proves that your output measurements of 200V is correct.
The RMS value of 350V AC triangular = 350 / sqrt3 = 350 / 1.73 = 202V RMS

But I'm puzzled by the 1.6Mhz of the AC frequency.
No motor/generator setup I know of could produce such high frequencies.
1.6Mhz would mean RPMs in the range of many millions, which of course is impossible.
There must be some other device rather than a motor/generator setup in your design
that generates these high frequencies? Do you care to tell us? Please!!  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #87 on: July 27, 2007, 11:47:40 AM »
we have changed the setup and removed the generator as this power is taken from the feed to the motor after it fires the motor starts with clean DC on startup within 60 seconds running changes to a ac wave seems my drive i created for the motor is also a generator as well we had to add a few diodes in the right spot so we can pull off the power

below is a shot with no load

Richard

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #88 on: July 28, 2007, 10:19:50 AM »
we have changed the setup and removed the generator as this power is taken from the feed to the motor after it fires the motor starts with clean DC on startup within 60 seconds running changes to a ac wave seems my drive i created for the motor is also a generator as well we had to add a few diodes in the right spot so we can pull off the power

below is a shot with no load

Richard

Hi.

Nice of you to provide the information but could you put it into recognizable electrical terms so the readers
at this forum can follow and understand your progress. Please use sentences with points to make it more readable.

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #89 on: July 28, 2007, 01:11:52 PM »
I would have to agree, only I would use different words.

@Magna
The modifications you have made to your AC motor sound extreamly interesting. I'm pleased to see you are taking propper steps in power measurement, but now is a good time for independent varification and open sourceing your work. This will allow for many builders to work with the design, verify over unity in the system, perhaps find other advantages or advance the design with new insight. If its showing any form of excess power any of those things could benifit all of humanity! I hope your experiments are going well for you, and that you make more detailed information available here. I for one would really like to attempt this 3 phase motor modification myself. I have a theory that you like many others recently have stumbled on to something related to the resonant/harmonic frequencies of your device, namely your stator coils.

~Dingus Mungus

P.S. Pictures and diagrams will help us greatly.

 

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