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Author Topic: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load  (Read 224366 times)

Offline bitRAKE

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2007, 02:15:38 AM »
This sounds great magnacoaster - I hope you continue to improve your understanding of how it works. Anything information you can share with us here is greatly appreciated.

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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2007, 04:49:12 AM »
i plan to build a new type of gen in the next few weeks to get more power and less pain out of it the same one as the wind guys have that needs to go 100 rpm

Which set of plans are you using? I have an older set of Hugh Piggott's axial flux windmill plans that I bought from http://www.scoraigwind.com

Since your interest is just in the generator (and not the windmill), there are free plans for just the axial flux generator at:

http://www.scoraigwind.com/pmgbooklet/index.htm

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as well as 10,000 in cost that came from my pocket

I've easily spent twice that on alternative science projects in the last 10 years, if you include the cost of specialized tools such as oscilloscopes.

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maybe if we all work togeather then the world would had green power by
now

Speaking of working together... I'm only in Waterloo one day a week on average, but if you'd like, I could drop by one day after work with my oscilloscope and related tools. We could measure what is going on in your pulse motor, measure the power that it uses, and measure the power that the alternator is producing.

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2007, 02:33:25 PM »
@magnacoaster

I wasn't trying to knock you or ridicule you at all. I have been through the same road you have been through with motors, gears, alternators, etc.so I know what your are going through. I also see you have taken out most of your web site material, which is also a good thing since I feel you were jumping the gun somewhat. In terms of the man hours involved I can only agree with you and commend you for your great efforts.

Through my own tests with simple regular gear systems, I have been able to achieve very good results but never OU. As soon as I plugged a 100 watts AC bulb on the inverter, the system would lose about 0.01 volts DC every 4 minutes or sooner, but without a load the system would turn on its own losing 0.01 volts every 15-20 minutes or so.

One of the main points on your system is your alternator which is a self exciting type. This means you need to have at least 1700 rpm before the alternator will even kick in to current production mode. So if you are running your prime mover at lets say 1000 rpm, which I feel if even high for what I saw, you are only giving the alternator 500 rpm on a 2:1 ratio. So the alternator is not even "on" and that is why your system is turning. So you need a minimum of 3400 rpm on a 2:1 ratio to even start the alternator.

Also, your chain and sprocket mechanism will kill any effeciencies you are trying to get by other means because the friction loss involved in the chain entering and exiting the sprocket is so great that you are almost doomed from the start.

Lastly, the prime mover magnet rotor with only one coil will never produce enough torque to turn the alternator in current production mode. As soon as there is just enough current applied to the rotor of the alternator, it will almost seize.

An alternative is what I am presently testing were I purchased three types of internal alternator regulators for my 105 amp CS144 Delco-Remy, one self-exciting circuit, one requiring an external supply to the circuit and another which I simply modified by removing all the circuitry and jumping the internal terminals to allow direct access to the exciter coil so that I can feed it the current level I want. I found that the last option works best since this enables you to apply your own voltage to the exciter coil even when you are lower than 1700 rpm. This permits you to do alot of tests with varying or pulsed voltages, sweep voltages and also capacitor discharged voltages, without going through the alternator's regular circuitry, hence its limitations. Don't forget that an alternator is designed to be rotated via a car engine that has loads of more torque and the necessity to build them at super high effeciencies is not there.

I have included a photo of my modified regulator. By running the jumper from those two terminals, with one side of the brush grounded, the other side can be accessed via the red wire on the regulator plug. So you now have access to the current applied to the coil and you no longer have to wait until you reach 1700 rpm. To do this you have to identify the floating brush, follow it through the regulator conductor in the structure and jump it to the red wire terminal.

Another point is the gears I was testing. My current tests is with a 24 volts 1/2 HP DC Permanent Magnet Prime Mover with a 144 tooth gear that is driving a 72 or 48 tooth gear on an alternator. I had to have the alternator rotor shaft modified to remove the threading so my gears would fit the shaft. So what I am doing is supplying only 12 volts to the 24 volts motor and using a 1:2 or 1:3 ratio (each one turn of the prime mover turns the alternator 2 or 3 turns) to turn the alternator. I am now looking to modify the DC motor to add two more brushes on the commutator at 90 degrees to the existing brushes, which I will use to try and pull off emf from the rotor via a few caps and send this power back to the batteries. This should lower the current demand on the batteries. Right now though as it stands, I am losing about 0.1 volts every 4 minutes. But this scenario is very promising since it is already successfully turning the alternator which is producing about 14 amps. But this is still not enough to reach OU. I will be looking for a high revolution strong 12volt dc motor for my next tests.

Regardless of the time I spend on this, the learning is great and very important for me to better understand this method. One thing also, I now use a clamp on dc amperage meter about 150$ bucks. I know. But it was the best investment I have ever made. Man it's great to measure dc current on a wim, without the hassle of a standard multimeter 10 amp limit and shunting.

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2007, 02:33:25 PM »
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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2007, 05:33:12 PM »
To solve your heating problem you could increase the number of turns of wire on your coil.  That would reduce the amps required to generate the magnetic pulse.

You may have come up with a magic combination of parts.

There is a fellow near me that has a 4 pole ambulance generator charging 4 batteries, being driven by a 10 speed bicycle gear, that is powerd by a 120 VAC washing machine motor, that is powerd by a 12VDC to 120 VAC inverter.  He draws off extra power from the inverter to light his cabin.  I think he lucked into a magic combo of parts.  I told him if any parts even the brushes are moved a few degrees it may all stop workng.

Your GM alternator, the spark on the points and the number of turns on your coil and the gearing any one or a combination may be the magic key to your success.

I would leave the setup you have alone and build a new one as close to the same as your first one to see if it works the same. And then change out one piece at a time to see if you get any impovement.  Do not tear apart your working model use it as a baseline.


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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2007, 11:34:36 PM »
well i have done more testing and what i have found is

free wheeling i get 3000 rpm  mesured in hz with a reed switch

i have changed the coil wire size and it would not work
seems i have the right number of turns as well as the right
wire size

we added a electronic switch on the coil and it changed the amount of heat it made
will be making a few changes to the length of the core in the electromagnet core


will also be making a new generator got the materials today
with a bit of this and a bit of that we hope to have a unit within a week
this unit will not have cores and will produce a bit of power

will keep you posted





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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2007, 11:52:07 PM »
Can you tell us the part number of the alternator you are using and what internal wireing you did to get it to excite right from the start?

I would like to get an alternator and do some testing to see what speed it likes to run at.  Then we could compare notes and see if yours acts the same.

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2007, 03:46:43 AM »
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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2007, 03:46:43 AM »
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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2007, 04:54:49 AM »
Magnacoaster,

First, thank you for the informaton.

Looking at the first link did you modify your alternator and insert the permanant magnets?  or did you just modify a wire inside the regulator?

I would like to try to replicate your design to see for myself how hard it is to do, but if i just go off and get an alternator and some magnets off my shelf that look like they fit i will end up with something all together different and it will not prove anything other than one more plan that did not work.

In science journals people only publish the finished product, and not all the ones that did not work. So the next guy comes along trying to improve it and starts all over doing things that do not work spending years and finally comes up with a minor improvement.  This process is holding back progress, the only way you speed it up is by trying to find a guy who worked on the first inventon and paying him to consult so you can bypass all the things that did not work, Or make it a public domain project like linux and it moves forward much faster.

If you are trying to bring to market and do all the research for this product your self then secret is a good plan. If you are wanting to make it a public domain project and then become one of many who produce the generator systems and sell them to the 99% of the public that will never build it for themselfs then the more you share the faster the process will move forward.  Share what did work along with what did not. You will also have the combined expertise of all thoes who participate.

Rhett


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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2007, 05:58:06 AM »
the alt we use had a jump wire on the inside it was a gm with a se core on the inside i plan to scrap this and build a wind gen i have the parts and will get some of the work done in the am i also will try and see if i can make copper windings i will have to deal with a heat issue but i think i have a solution

the gm cores are ok for testing but i am thinking that if i go the other way and get more power the best i have seen on the wind sites is 3kw i think there may be a way to get more but im not sure as i dont want to stall out when i turn it

as well i am going to cut the main cores in the coil back as i made a slider so i can adjust the position (i still have to use ny tool and fix the corners )

i got 22 - 2 x 10 inch nylon cores for 50 bucks all i have to do is figure out how i want to lay it out before i go and have it milled and drilled

i also need to get my ass in gear to get a rectifier as i want to have this ready in the next week

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2007, 11:01:35 PM »
Magnacoaster,

Can you do a few simple tests to better understand your system.

Can you get 2 batteries, One to power the motor side and one for the alternator.
I am not sure if your alternator will put out any power with out a battery to get it started. If it will then a car headlight would be great to have connected to the alternator.

Then measure the voltage accross the battery and amps on the motor side, and then the voltage and amps on the alternator side.   Pay very close attention to the polarity of the current flow on the alternator side if you have to use the battery. We need to  make sure the current is comming OUT of the alternator and not going INTO the alternator powering the field since you have modified the internals.  We want to make sure the current is comming out!

Some times a batterys voltage will increase for a short time when loaded, also the spark energy from your points may also be feeding back raising the battery voltage.

Normally the tourque on the alternator shaft required to produce 240 Watts like you believe you are would stop a flyweight motor like you have.  If it really is working like you think then I believe the magic is in the alternator and has nothing to do with your motor side.

Rhett

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2007, 04:27:16 AM »
i made some new parts today that have helped with the power i have other things in my life as well i have to do all day to !

i will be getting some supplies this week and hope to work more on the weekend

i was in and got my rotor cut for the new gen and the ring for the windings
i went and chatted and found kick ass dieods that will take 200 amps each leg
so it can handle 600 amps @ 12 volts.

as i plan to use a setup i saw on the net and it got 3 kw out going to use there plans
i increased the amount of mass ont he flywheel and it made the motor run faster but i need to get some lead so i can add mor onto thew back end.

as well i was in the wind shop and looked at a battery dump i have a old apc here that can handle 50 amps  of output  @ 14 vols input (they were going to pitch it as the batterys were all dead)

so i need 64 magnets some copper or mumetal for cores and a milling machine for 6 hours oh and best of all i need 800 bucks to put it all in and have it run

thank god for paydays

Richard

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2007, 11:17:55 PM »
Thats the problem with this OU stuff it really needs more time and money than most of us are able to give.

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2007, 06:45:03 PM »
Richard, "Princess Auto" in Kitchener has clamp-on meters. I just bought one yesterday. The meters are no longer on sale, but since they have so many, if you ask nicely, they will sell them at the sale price of $18.88 CDN+taxes.

I know that your present design only involves DC currents, so a clamp-on meter won't be of any use. However the windmill generator that you are making produces AC current, and a clamp-on meter might come in handy when you are testing it.

How is the windmill generator project coming along?

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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2007, 07:22:11 PM »
well its been a long weekend my arms are sore and i have the 10 windings done
i got the material for the backplates and got all the holes in and have all the windings mounted.

i am changing all the plates that hold the motor today should be able to
have it up and running by the morning as i have to run out tonight
so i may have to pull a allnighter to get it done


will make a winder in the morning so i can wind pretty coils the .010  wire
required 150 windings per coil with 10 coils and i got a gm rectifier @ 180 amps 
12 volts.

will take pictures and keep you posted


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Re: new magnetic motor goes 2000 rpm without load 1000 rpm with load
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2007, 03:47:16 AM »
well i have a few coils built and my arms are sore here is a picture of what we are making now

 

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