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IronHead

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2007, 12:35:15 PM »
Sure , try it.
It's a very good idea

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2007, 06:35:47 AM »
@kokomoj0;
I bought the green tip rod at my local Linde supplier-one fer  <$6.00 USD.   If you cain't get a deal near you lemme know and I'll mail you one.

On that ceramic, I have in my hand a machined piece of 304 stainless, used as a water sampling strainer component.  It has a 5/16" bore, and ~6/32 set screws in the side.   Man, it oughta be perfect to pour some ceramic in that thang fer the rod... gotta git me some liquid rock...

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2007, 03:28:18 PM »
@kokomoj0;
I bought the green tip rod at my local Linde supplier-one fer  <$6.00 USD.   If you cain't get a deal near you lemme know and I'll mail you one.

On that ceramic, I have in my hand a machined piece of 304 stainless, used as a water sampling strainer component.  It has a 5/16" bore, and ~6/32 set screws in the side.   Man, it oughta be perfect to pour some ceramic in that thang fer the rod... gotta git me some liquid rock...

Turtle

the biggest green tip rod i can get is like 5/16ths, not sure bigger is better but one would think it would last longer between adjustments.

i am also tossing around the feasability of putting a ceramic cooling jacket around the outside to slowly force water around it to help with the longevity and possibly shape the burn.  with the liquid rock that now becomes a possibility me thinks.

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2007, 06:20:35 AM »
Is the tungsten rod directly in the water? the frenchman atomized the hydrogen covered with a water jacket. Help with the confusion. Thanks.

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2007, 03:58:15 PM »
@Robb, kokomoj0 is attacking this from the direction of a source of heat I believe, with the gas output being an added benefit.
I've been toying with retro-fitting my Weil-Mcclain boiler myself, since I've got some nice beefy Transformers out of rack mountable UPS's.

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2007, 04:43:04 PM »
rapttor:
The frenchman I referred to was the scientist Naudin. You still didn't make it clear. Is the tungsten directly surrounded by water or is it in a closed hydrogen cannister like Naudin.

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2007, 05:15:36 PM »
My bad Robb, Jean-louis yes he's a very under-rated man, very smart & brilliant person. The water is in direct contact with the Tungsten Electrode, I want to say the best scenario being one is fully submerged, the other is only 1/2 inch or so under the water's surface.

I'll check my notes to verify...
sorry bout' the half -assed previous reply

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2007, 05:27:06 PM »
Thanks much for the clarification. Remarkable proof of the nature of atomic hydrogen

I am as much interesting in learning about radio frequency water disassociation...an engineer posted "salt water fire" on youtube, using equipment intended to cure cancer.
Burning socalled brownsgas in a nearly closed container will also produce a plasma!

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2007, 05:41:48 PM »
That would be John Kanzius, yeah I'm familiar with the video's you are reffering to. IronHead the originator of this thread has done similar work but found a sweet-spot in liberating the HHO from h2O, which when you hit the critical point, he found out first hand just how much power & energy is really in Water. Stick with us... we'll get there at some point down the road, when we are all on the same page as far as understanding the process better.

Just from I.H.'s work I've gained a whole new respect for the "electrolysis" process.

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2007, 05:54:00 PM »
Thanks for the insight. I agree with the potential of water!
Question...is the water under pressure? or just being circulated by a pump.

I didn't understand that IronHead was liberating so much hho but rather after the heated water.  Seems he just lets the hho gas into the atmosphere. Is this a great way to make hho?

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #55 on: June 15, 2007, 02:07:35 PM »
Maybe someone should offer a "kit", which includes power supply, rods, etc and sell with 100% markup, which is fine with me, since I hate shopping. Instructions are a nice inclusion too :) Ironhead should be a partner....Need to get alot of these out there so people will begin to believe it works.

IronHead

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #56 on: June 15, 2007, 07:59:02 PM »
Thanks for the insight. I agree with the potential of water!
Question...is the water under pressure? or just being circulated by a pump.

I didn't understand that IronHead was liberating so much hho but rather after the heated water.  Seems he just lets the hho gas into the atmosphere. Is this a great way to make hho?

This is not a good way at all to make HHO . This is a low current heater.
Most of the HHO is burned in the plasma field converting the HHO back to H2O
If you condense the steam or vapor as well this system uses as you might guess very little water.Some HHO will escape the plasma  cell it is a good idea to burn this off and use its heat as well in your design.

If you really want this thing to rip then try and get the rod to vibrate at 42khz using whatever means possible.
IronHead



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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #57 on: June 15, 2007, 08:58:33 PM »
Ironhead:
Thanks. Great concept for low priced heating! Working to "do it"
Regarding the rod and screen, the tip of the rod is in the screen? or projecting out the end....maybe centered would be my guess. If you have a picture, that would be great too. How do you coat with ceramic? tubing?

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2007, 09:33:31 PM »
Basic plasma cell. Ceramic tubing over Tungsten is the best way to go for shielding.
Note if you are using house power RF choke the AC line. The screen in the cell will also absorb some RF.


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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2007, 09:41:59 PM »
Great picture. What are you using to pulse the dc?  Have a price on the parts without tubing and radiator? 
Maybe a fish tank will work for the water tank.