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Author Topic: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead  (Read 153363 times)

Robb077

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #90 on: June 20, 2007, 04:47:00 AM »
Moab:
I remember seeing Klein's hho welder torch applied to water....no heat generated...but on a brass ball, molten in three seconds....the atoms entered the brass! So I was wondering if the stainless screen was centered in an iron pipe sleeve(using a ceramic spacer maybe), whether it would suck in the hydrogen atoms from the plasma and turn red and heat a lot more water with less power. A possibility for experimentation.
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hkyle

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #91 on: June 20, 2007, 07:58:48 AM »
Good god that is funny...it reminds me of the time when I was meltin lead from a old car battery on the stove in a old coffee can.....lol...lol...the wife walked in on my poor old ass...lol...can't stop laughing...lol...I though I was going to be devorced...lol......
Yes make sure the wife is not around when using the stove for other purpases than cookin FOOD...better yet send her on a trip to make sure the smoke clears and ya get a good chance to clean all the smoke out of the oven...

sorry for interuptin the thread...but that is too funny.

Kyle


Quote from: Moab on June 17, 2007, 12:43:01 AM

here is another way.

Go to the hobby store and get some modleing clay. the kind used for makeing ciramic pots and such. .. Now mix the stuff with water untill its like pudding. Dip the tungston rod in it and let it dry. Do this untill it is about 3/8- 1/2 thick. And let it dry completely. Now this is important. you MUST wait untill the wife is NOT in the house for at least 3 hours.. Take your coated rod and put it in the oven and bake it at the highest setting. Give it at least 2 hrs. while this is bakeing build a small kiln from firebricks. You can get them from a hardware store. Next youll need a Mappgass toarch. and a full can of mappgas. preheat the kiln untill its cherry red. time it with the 2 hrs the wife is away..Now the kiln is hotter than the hinges of haities get the rod and gentily slide it in your homade kiln. dont let the flame from the mappgas-torch blast directly on the rod. This takes a few hours and the wife gets real upset if she catches you messing around with the oven this way. Also you should not leave the kiln until the mappgas is gone. get some beer this takes the edge off the waiteing. And makes the ear beating your gonna take easyier when wify gets home. Cause you know damn well she will know you have been messing around in the kitchen.


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Robb077

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #92 on: June 20, 2007, 01:05:32 PM »
Moab:
Since you are second to Ironhead in having a working model, the pictures you were going to snap would be appreciated. Glad you have been so successful in your working model.
Still curious about whether a sleeve around the plasma, maybe even just ceramic, would absorb hydrogen atoms and provide more heat to the water than otherwise possible.
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Robb077

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #93 on: June 20, 2007, 01:52:23 PM »
Moab:
If you can get a scroll expander (20 lbs, 1 kw of electric power ) to work with the plasma heater, you can power your house with a few of them.
http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/479068/1674
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Moab

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #94 on: June 20, 2007, 02:23:25 PM »
Great link Robbo77.

Yes the thought has crossed my mind.

The heat is created when the HHO recombines back into H2o. I'm not sure how the cell would react with another forign plate or heat exchanger in the cell. I'm positive this will be tested in the future. ::)
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keithturtle

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #95 on: June 23, 2007, 12:43:18 AM »
Yo, Moab:

How critical is the gap from the electrode to the screen?   If' you widen it, does that mean more volts?

I came up with something that will give me that egg-shaped burn area, but still lacking the tight-fitting electrode to ceramic union... 1/8" rod in 5/32" ceramic... has me apprehensive.

Turtle
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IronHead

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #96 on: June 23, 2007, 05:02:48 AM »
Some parts

http://www.plasmatechnics.com/whatsnew.html

Do as you will
IronHead
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keithturtle

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #97 on: June 23, 2007, 08:26:59 AM »
Looks like big volts are available- I'd really like to make the small stuff work first- ya know, crawl before ya walk...

Still building

Turtle
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Moab

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #98 on: June 23, 2007, 02:51:45 PM »
Quote from: keithturtle on June 23, 2007, 12:43:18 AM
Yo, Moab:

How critical is the gap from the electrode to the screen?   If' you widen it, does that mean more volts?

I came up with something that will give me that egg-shaped burn area, but still lacking the tight-fitting electrode to ceramic union... 1/8" rod in 5/32" ceramic... has me apprehensive.

Turtle


You want it in the center of the screen, .001 tolarence is not really nessassary. if your off by -1/32 you should be close enoug. It takes time for the cell to heat up like 20-30 minutes before i get a spark.
SO,
I've been looking at some peices of 316 stainless cut offs in the shop. 2-1/4'' od. Been thinking of trying one in place of the screen. Kind of like a 2-1/4 X3/4'' hoop. in the shape of a ventury. Insolated 316 1/4'' conductor. welded connection to the Hoop. My thought is to give the plasma a small pocket to ride in. ANd the cone shape of the ventury will also provide a close gap at one end and a wider one for when the cell heats up. Now when the flow is started to cool the cell the Ventury shaped cathode should help protect the plasma from blow out. I mean like blowing out a candle,, Blowout.  Always thinking here.. Moab
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IronHead

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #99 on: June 23, 2007, 03:08:22 PM »
I understand  keithturtle . this post was not directed at you , It is however directed to a few that are in the background . They know who they are.
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Moab

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #100 on: June 23, 2007, 04:06:35 PM »
What post? I missed somthing.. And whos in the background? You will learn little, most of the good stuff is being sent E-mail P2P so step up  :-* {_}]

                   0v3r10rD, >:( , 00ps I mean Moab ::)
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IronHead

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #101 on: June 23, 2007, 04:20:57 PM »
I posted about some parts to someone that asked me to. Plasma stuff  thats all.
I am not teaching any of this anywhere at the moment.


But I might. You want to go real time in 3d build and chat .
http://www.spiralmatrix.com/  download the browser (install now)
 My world name is Energy. I have just begun to rebuild the world .
So there is little to see at the moment .But I am in there working on a few things if you want to chat abit.

« Last Edit: June 23, 2007, 04:43:01 PM by IronHead »
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keithturtle

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #102 on: June 24, 2007, 02:07:48 AM »
OK, then... I'm aware of the differing alloys available in SS, chrome, nickel% and all that good stuff... but in this application is 316 a must?  I've got it, gobs of it, but 18 ga don't bend so well, uh huh...

26 ga 304 is also on the shelf, and it bends and forms more easily.   To fabricate that venturi plasma chamber would be a cakewalk outa the thinner stuff, but what would be lost for the process?

Poking along,
Turtle
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Moab

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #103 on: June 24, 2007, 06:02:07 PM »
i havnt built it yet turtle. Been bizzy with other stuff. The venturi was just an idea. and i will test my theory in time. for now the screen will work. But by all means if you are willing to build and test the idea. Be my guest.. :)  Moab.
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keithturtle

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #104 on: June 25, 2007, 01:15:24 AM »
Thanks, Moab.   Got it planned and ready to start pounding metal.

BTW, yer email here don't work... if you get a chance, send me a good address to the turtle.

Thanks, Keith
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