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Title: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: kadora on March 04, 2007, 05:06:45 PM
I have found this strange magnetic effect
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling magnet
Post by: kadora on March 04, 2007, 05:18:18 PM
hi all

Sorry I had a problem to send picture
and by a mistake I deleted text.
So as you can see magnetic array repels the
iron ball with such power that the ball can levitate.
At the place where the iron ball levitates is zero flux.
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling magnet
Post by: bitRAKE on March 04, 2007, 05:31:57 PM
I like the five fold symetry. Can you please draw diagram and label magnetic poles?
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling magnet
Post by: hartiberlin on March 04, 2007, 07:27:52 PM
@kadora,
interesting effect !
Did you magnetize the iron ball, before you did put it into the
glas tube ?

What is the magnet polarity ?

Many thanks.
Maybe you can post a short videoclip too ?

Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling magnet
Post by: rotorhead on March 04, 2007, 07:37:07 PM
hi all

Sorry I had a problem to send picture
and by a mistake I deleted text.
So as you can see magnetic array repels the
iron ball with such power that the ball can levitate.
At the place where the iron ball levitates is zero flux.

So many questions ...

How did you lower the ball into the tube? I'm sure you didn't drop it.
How stable is it?
Can you remove the glass tube and the ball will remain?
What happens if the magnets are moved closer to center?
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling magnet
Post by: barbosi on March 04, 2007, 08:29:49 PM
Hi,

Is the metalic base feromagnetic?
The transparent tube is passed through a hole in the middle?

Can you post a movie?
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling magnet
Post by: FreeEnergy on March 04, 2007, 10:45:20 PM
need more indepth explanation please. also a video clip would be nice.
how is it that the iron ball repels? if you did magnetize the iron ball how much of magnetization is in the iron ball? thanks.

peace
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling magnet
Post by: Onevoice on March 05, 2007, 04:48:31 AM
Are either the ball or the disks diamagnetic?
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling magnet
Post by: bitRAKE on March 05, 2007, 05:42:55 AM
Is the ball supported by air pressure? ;D

I'm just kidding. Playing with some square magnets on an iron plate with all the south/north poles facing up creates quite a powerful field in the center. Another magnet through the center will flip as it passes the zero flux. I can feel it - really cool effect. Tried 3,5,7 sided shapes and 5 works the best.
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling magnet
Post by: huhh on March 05, 2007, 07:12:32 AM
  Hummm.. that picture kinda reminds me of the Hubbard Coil.
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling magnet
Post by: kadora on March 05, 2007, 11:28:45 AM
Hi
I am glad you are interested in my array.
Now answers to your questions.

Ball was removed from old ball bearing and is not
magnetized.
Discs are normal samarium cobalt magnets facing
the same poles up.
If you push magnets closer to each other iron
ball goes up.
When you remove glass tube ball is atracted to
the closest magnet.
The base is soft iron plate coated by zinc.
I will shut a movie maybe today afternoon or tomorrow.

P.S.
HARTIBERLIN please can you change title of this subject
from Magnetic array repeling magnet to
Magnetic array repeling iron because I am ashamed
by my stupid mistake.
thank you
regards Kadora

.
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling magnet
Post by: mikestocks2006 on March 05, 2007, 02:48:32 PM


Ball was removed from old ball bearing and is not
magnetized.

Hi kadora, great observation, nice work!

Is the ball plain steel, or StainlessSteel non magnetic?

If it's easy and you have access to it, can you try non magnetic SS or a Brass ball?

Thanks
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling magnet
Post by: rotorhead on March 05, 2007, 10:58:13 PM
Kadora,

Could you please verify:

When the tube is removed, the "ball is attracted to the closest magnet" (not repelled towards the farthest/weakest magnet)?

Thanks
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling magnet
Post by: FreeEnergy on March 05, 2007, 11:13:52 PM
P.S.
HARTIBERLIN please can you change title of this subject
from Magnetic array repeling magnet to
Magnetic array repeling iron because I am ashamed
by my stupid mistake.
thank you
regards Kadora

.

You can do that yourself i think, just go to the http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2040.msg24890.html#msg24890 and click on Modify
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: kadora on March 06, 2007, 07:45:30 AM
Mikestocks
The ball is plain steel. Out of array is attracted
by permanent magnet.
In the array can levitate anything produced
from magnetic material - screws , nuts ,symmetrical
and unsymmertical objects.
Non magnetic materials dont work.

Rotorhead
Good question , when the tube is removed
then the motion of ball is so fast that i am not
sure if is repeled or attracted but seems attracted.

FreeEnergy
Thank you for your advice.
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: acidbreaker on March 06, 2007, 09:50:57 AM
anybody from canada here  ;) ?
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: mikestocks2006 on March 06, 2007, 03:35:36 PM
Mikestocks
The ball is plain steel. Out of array is attracted
by permanent magnet.
In the array can levitate anything produced
from magnetic material - screws , nuts ,symmetrical
and unsymmertical objects.
Non magnetic materials dont work.


Good to know, so there are no standing eddy loops(waves) created that would effect levitation of electrically conducting but non magnetic materials.

Did you try by any chance with a non ferromagnetic base support plate eg plastic or wooden base?
Thanks.
The effect maybe very significant towards OU designs.

Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: kadora on March 06, 2007, 06:45:12 PM
I didnt try non magnetic base
i will try it this weekend.
I checked magnetic flux with
hall probe and under levitating
ball is - flux , above ball +flux
and in the place where  ball is
there is zero flux.
Maybe in that place is easy
to switch magnetic flux or......
Anybody can send his idea or
suggestion to this forum and
together we could find a "sweet solution".
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: mikestocks2006 on March 06, 2007, 07:59:59 PM
I didnt try non magnetic base
i will try it this weekend.
I checked magnetic flux with
hall probe and under levitating
ball is - flux , above ball +flux
and in the place where  ball is
there is zero flux.
Maybe in that place is easy
to switch magnetic flux or......
Anybody can send his idea or
suggestion to this forum and
together we could find a "sweet solution".
Thanks!.
Very interesting that you have the N poles facing up and right under the ball you get -flux readings. Did you measure at the same approximate area the flux readings without the ball present?

This would be a nice one to model in 3D. Anyone here has the ability to do so?
Thanks
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: love2all on March 08, 2007, 04:04:17 PM
Hi Kadora,

the steel ball can well have been magnetized by the earths magnetic field. For example, when it was standing in one and the same position for a long time.
That happened to all my older screwdrivers hanging in my toolbox. As I'm living in Germany at 53?N the North of the earths magnetic field is quite steeply down, not only north.

Nevertheless a very nice effect, but it has nothing to do with diamagnetism, IMO.

BTW, greetings to all of you, I'm new here, just coming over from the Steorn.com/forum.  :)
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: Low-Q on March 08, 2007, 05:45:31 PM
I have found this strange magnetic effect
Hi,

I can confirm that this works. There is a very weak repelling effect barely enough to elevate the steel ball. A ring magnet (Loudspeaker magnet) do the same thing. Imagine how the magnetic fields is performing on a ring magnet.
Then place a virtual steel ball in center above this magnet. The magnetic fields will, at a certain distance over the magnet, magnetize the steel ball in an suitable way to make it "floating" in the air. A weak push downwards on the steel ball, will force it right in between the magnets. It had been fun trying to "rectify" the magnetic field, forcing it to push the steel ball right through the ring magnet, and beyond the same point at the opposite side of the ring magnet :)
In a closed loop, imagine how it would work;)

Br.

Vidar
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: Craigy on March 08, 2007, 07:32:05 PM
what would happen if mounted horizontally? i.e fix the ball to a rotor, and see what happens when the ball passes perpendicular to the array. would it just stick to one side of array, or would it escape?
i bring your attention to this video posted here ages ago, again using a steel ball, is this video related to what we see here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnbiWsLJKgE
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: love2all on March 08, 2007, 08:53:34 PM
Hi again Kadora,

i have tried it, and it works also with new bearing balls. I used 3 piles of 2 15mm Neos in a jar lid and an 8mm BB.
Very nice indeed, yours is the fame!

On Steorn forum there is a Thread for this "Nifty magnetic induction experiment." by konduct. He and others, also Craigy, who experimenter who posts here have replicated the experiment too. Cool man!

A magnet expert posting on the Steorn forum "neo" and others say. that the BB is immersed in the flux of the magnets and becoming a temporary magnetic monopole.
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: love2all on March 08, 2007, 09:03:44 PM
It is very interesting when the whole setup gets tilted upside down. On the way tilting it is observable, that the BB stays put in its heighth WRT magnet array. After 180?, when held precicely the BB stays, so there must be attraction involved too.
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: love2all on March 08, 2007, 09:45:22 PM
Not much going on here.
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: rotorhead on March 08, 2007, 10:16:40 PM
Additional experiments and discussion at:
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=51221
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: mikestocks2006 on March 08, 2007, 10:43:26 PM
Very good, now it only needs another sphere same size  diametrically oposite to exacty balance the plater and spin it very fast.
OU is alsmost at hand. Try the array top and bottom ( above bellow the plane of rotation), and  around the ball!

Almost there folks almost there.!!!! :)

what would happen if mounted horizontally? i.e fix the ball to a rotor, and see what happens when the ball passes perpendicular to the array. would it just stick to one side of array, or would it escape?
i bring your attention to this video posted here ages ago, again using a steel ball, is this video related to what we see here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnbiWsLJKgE
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: love2all on March 08, 2007, 10:59:18 PM
Very good, now it only needs another sphere same size  diametrically oposite to exacty balance the plater and spin it very fast.
OU is alsmost at hand. Try the array top and bottom ( above bellow the plane of rotation), and  around the ball!

Almost there folks almost there.!!!! :)

what would happen if mounted horizontally? i.e fix the ball to a rotor, and see what happens when the ball passes perpendicular to the array. would it just stick to one side of array, or would it escape?
i bring your attention to this video posted here ages ago, again using a steel ball, is this video related to what we see here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnbiWsLJKgE
Wow, you are a fast one, aren't you?  :o
Read on, please.
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=51221&page=3#Item_31
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: FreeEnergy on March 08, 2007, 11:08:17 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=572357384700683012
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: mikestocks2006 on March 09, 2007, 01:18:54 AM
Love2all if you read this thread from the beggining, kadora started it and many others including myself have been working on it for few days now...

Thanks for the link though.

Very good, now it only needs another sphere same size  diametrically oposite to exacty balance the plater and spin it very fast.
OU is alsmost at hand. Try the array top and bottom ( above bellow the plane of rotation), and  around the ball!

Almost there folks almost there.!!!! :)

what would happen if mounted horizontally? i.e fix the ball to a rotor, and see what happens when the ball passes perpendicular to the array. would it just stick to one side of array, or would it escape?
i bring your attention to this video posted here ages ago, again using a steel ball, is this video related to what we see here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnbiWsLJKgE
Wow, you are a fast one, aren't you?  :o
Read on, please.
http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=51221&page=3#Item_31
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: buzneg on March 09, 2007, 03:50:22 AM
the metal ball becomes a magnet in the feild. The flux lines straighen out some in the iron, making in effect (for simplification) two small magnets in it, so the 2 north poles of the small magnets are at a degree facing each other, but when you move it down the pole that causes them to strenghen a little, and turn towards each other, N-N like. When you move it up the pole the regular attraction effect takes over.
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: FreeEnergy on March 09, 2007, 05:36:10 AM
so how can we use this effect exactly to harness free energy?
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: Dansway on March 09, 2007, 05:50:22 AM
How about a balanced "push - pull" system?  Using two systems facing each other and a slider on a rod in the middle...

Dan
Title: Re: Magnetic array repeling iron
Post by: Low-Q on March 10, 2007, 07:04:59 PM
so how can we use this effect exactly to harness free energy?
This is a question I also have asked myself. Where the ball is resting, is a sticky point and nothing else. I don't think this will do any work. As far I can see, a monopole is the only thing which might work. The ball in this case have in this state four poles, two N and two S where equal poles are facing the magnets respective poles in both directions, so the ball is trapped in middle of repelling forces - hence the sticky point, is what i think after testing a small magnet in the same position where the ball is. However, the ball is free to move sideways, and it is not possible to turn the thing up side down and expect the ball to hang in that point without the support tube - so it is not an effect by diamagnetism we see here.

Br.

Vidar