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Offline Mem

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #90 on: September 18, 2007, 09:07:21 AM »
how did u put them into RV mode ? , is ther a step by step way to do it ?.

<<Here is a simple RV conversion methode. http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/RVMuller.html
The run capacitor: 2 MF 370 VAC (good for 3 phase motors up to 3 HP)  If you need more power output ?
Use bigger value run capacitor like 5, 7, 10, MF etc. Always use AC capacitors 200 VAC minimum.

Have fan
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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #90 on: September 18, 2007, 09:07:21 AM »

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #91 on: October 07, 2007, 07:07:40 PM »
::) ;D

>have i missed the point completely ?.

Never mind the lights or loading the Alt reactive power  ;), We are basically saying to try the attached circuit (Neon its a few posts back), as it is the reported OU self runner. our will be ready for testing this weekend.

Please see my recently-edited post at

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3332.msg52830.html#msg52830

I think someone has been grossly misrepresenting other people's work and owes the forum and the inventor an apology.

Linda

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #92 on: October 08, 2007, 04:01:36 AM »
Note- Ill clear up for the board  if hummbugger us not removed then you can find your result ts else where Ill clear for others in case you are getting suckered into this dick head again (For the last time)

The circuit is reported to have no reflection on the primary battery, David has not loaded the Shaft of his RV, but has stated the bearings are a load, and have allot of friction, it is logical to assume that if the circuit can be run on one battery and charge a secondary with no reflection that it can be self run. (thats what is being stated) obviously.

I have others off list who report to me and don't post here so you are missing out on a allot of informaiton again you can thank this banned user for his distraction and time wasting

He is stupid and does not understand any thing., and or build any thing and is a pest.
he was banned over at EVGRAY and is hiding there now

unless this user is removed then you can count me out of this mess

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #92 on: October 08, 2007, 04:01:36 AM »
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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #93 on: December 28, 2007, 07:19:59 PM »
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Re: rotoverter for power generation works
« Reply #94 on: December 28, 2007, 07:23:35 PM »
 >:(
I'm a newbie to
I don?t sell anything nor do I buy.
I just replicate ROTOVERTER AND IS RUNNING ON MY GARAGE
Stop talking just to appear cleaver.
Energy is not a joke RV is a very promising way
Replication of this very simple experiment is a way to thank for a great gift.
Unless you have other interest on your agenda and cheap energy will reduce
Your ignominious gains!
Regards
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Re: rotoverter for power generation works
« Reply #94 on: December 28, 2007, 07:23:35 PM »
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Re: rotoverter for power generation ( Mortal v/s Immortal man! )
« Reply #95 on: December 29, 2007, 01:33:13 AM »
Isoprobe,
Yes the stage that you are in with your RV experiments are good.

A months or two later: You'll change a little bit, you'll wonder what
you can do with the RV motor?
I went through these steps myself.

About 6 months a go, I talked to local industrial electric motor repair shop
and I told them about my 3 Phase RV motor how it runs with only
20 Watts of power.
I kid you not! They laugh at me. They said we know all about that.
He said. They are  even able to convert (rewind the stator)
3 phase motor's to single phase or viseversa 1single phase to 3 phase.

The guy said: You run the motor with so little energy but you can't do anything
with it, they don't have torque power.

My leaps were sealed, I coun't say any more to him. He knew he's business
only too well.

So we come back to realty check: RV motor conversion idea is okay.
For some small amount of energy saving. 

(The way I see this, you basicly reduce the input power and therefore you save wasted enery during
the proces, is not an overunity or anything like that. It's sort of like using 4 Cylinder car
instead of 8 Cylinder. Yes, you save energy, or else will be wasted!
thats all there is to it.

During idling of the motor, bearly any energy is need it, when it comes to do the work thou,
motor will need emps to get the job done.

Understanding of electrical or electric circuits, machines so on, it's something that
evolves in life. 400 years a go, man couldn't even dream the way of life we have now!

Past centuries, spiritual man and woman, that had vision or a special ability
was burned on a stick. Just like we cook game meat today! Man, killed those
that were little ahead of their time. Let us not do the same to day!

Perhaps we're little more civilized to day. (Not everywhere, thou: If you live in
Iraq, Afghanistan or Palestine and try to defend your country from aggressive
foreign army?s invasion! You can get killed, like so many others dies everyday.

Man has created separation on earth and therefore they can justify
of their actions any way they want. Sort of like, big tree middle of the city square
is more important then giant tree's in Brazil's Amazon. That they get turn into chips...       

Well, here is a test for you, too. And this test will tell you where you're in
your own spiritual evolment and self mastery. (not every one is ready for this)

Yes, at below video this pank, looking guy has developed powers
 undreamed by most mortal man. This trully applys here; The truth will set you free!
But first will piss you off! That's the reason why people think, he uses trick's.

There is no trick, that, this guy uses! The best thing I can tell you, study this guys
life and you'll know more about he's abilitys and he's powers. If you do so
prepare to be further shocked! Thats why he calls himself "Mind Frick"

He defys: To days science, gravity, time, space, death, life and more...  Check him out...

The point is: We are trapped in false reality, and we don't even know it.
Sort of like a dream, that we don't know that we are dreaming...
We think this life is the ultimate. Fasle!
Sort of like a: Baby would think that kindergarten is the ultimate place to be.   
Without further due
 Check this out guy here, then you'll see what I mean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne2DtbB608E


Mem.




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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #96 on: March 13, 2008, 03:25:34 AM »
is this what weve all been waiting for ?....or maybe i dont understand( im pretty good at not understand ing).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhB9rdpnyBI

what i think im seeing in its most basic description is that it takes 3x 100wbulbs of power to out-put 11x 100wbulbs of power so getting about 8x 100wbulbs of power for free?...or have i missed the point completely ?...i know some of you will prolly say go back and read all the crap and pdf's but all i get from that is a sore head...is there a way to explain this or whats going on here for simple everyday ppl who are generally kinda cluless ?( like my self).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhB9rdpnyBI

check out this vid, im curious why no one is jumping on this and trying it out , it seems that this has just been forgottin about, does it work or not ?. its hard to tell from just one or two ppl replicating it, has any one else tryed this ? the questions ive asked in this thread seem to have not been answerd, there just talked around with no real info, its been a few months so here i am asking again.

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #97 on: March 13, 2008, 07:47:49 AM »
is this what weve all been waiting for ?....or maybe i dont understand( im pretty good at not understand ing).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhB9rdpnyBI

what i think im seeing in its most basic description is that it takes 3x 100wbulbs of power to out-put 11x 100wbulbs of power so getting about 8x 100wbulbs of power for free?...or have i missed the point completely ?...i know some of you will prolly say go back and read all the crap and pdf's but all i get from that is a sore head...is there a way to explain this or whats going on here for simple everyday ppl who are generally kinda cluless ?( like my self).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhB9rdpnyBI

check out this vid, im curious why no one is jumping on this and trying it out , it seems that this has just been forgottin about, does it work or not ?. its hard to tell from just one or two ppl replicating it, has any one else tryed this ? the questions ive asked in this thread seem to have not been answerd, there just talked around with no real info, its been a few months so here i am asking again.

hello b0rg13. i'm posting the same "compilation" i posted on the thrapp thread, to add to this thread too.
i too am very surpirsed that the resonance revoery methods are not being taken and run with. peter lindemann already notified us all that the power factor correction  tuning of capacitors  to create energy savings  is in use  on some technologies, and is just a nice start to start getting into the reactive power generation. theres some people who have verified, even on overunity.com that reactive power does get generated, however, for some reason they havent sat down and extracted it (oouthere  is one, hence why i replied on thrapp and in this thread). peter lindemann also said that it cant be extracted, but look what happened.
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To comment on the rotoverter...yes it appears to be o/u but the power cannot be extracted.  My unit was at best about 1,100 watts in and 3,600 watts out.  But, if you tried to run light bulbs with it, it consumed the 1,100 watts plus the additional load as well.  That's why it disappeared, everyone came to realize this or else everyone of us that tried would be running our house on these units.
Rich

hello rich. i refer to these posts from peterlindemann:
1)
"I applaud Hector for encouraging people to run these experiments, but the RotoVerter is an EFFICIENCY technique, not an OU technique. The Reactive Power circulating in the LC tank circuits can be converted to Real Power, usig methods discovered by Tesla, but that is another matter entirely." (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1507-roto-verter-2.html#post16707)
2) then peter refers to tesla's 6 method of conversions for getting the reactive power out, ( http://www.energeticforum.com/16933-post53.html)
3) then peter refers to hector's virtual current circulation video:
"The video of Hector is a perfect example of why I believe what I do. He is showing that the RV motor side is running on 175 WATTS of Real Power, and the generator side is producing 208 volts and 7.6 amps, or 1508 VARS of Reactive Power, measured to and from the Capacitor load on the generator. He refers to this as "circulating current" which is exactly what it is. This film shows ZERO WATTS of Real Power coming out of the generator. Reactive Power does NOT produce any Back EMF in the generator, so the motor is still operating at, essentially, no load. There is no way (shown here) to use the power from the generator to run the motor. I am not trying to be a "pain in the ass", I am trying to help you form a clear picture in your mind of what is possible and what is not." http://www.energeticforum.com/17173-post87.html
4) http://www.energeticforum.com/17204-post89.html  i try and write about stuff about the recovery circuits to peter  to see how he reacts (he did mention tesla's recovery methods)
5) peter: "Thank you for this post and the link to the "neon peak recovery circuit". THIS APPROACH HAS MERIT!!!!! Going back to what I posted about Tesla's "Method of Conversion", clipping the VOLTAGE PEAK of a resonant tank created by an AC generator feeding a Capacitive load, IS the first method he discusses. The trick is to clip the top of the voltage rise JUST AS THE CURRENT DROPS TO THE ZERO POINT. In a 60 cycle system, that gives you about a millisecond to clip. Under these circumstances, this system WOULD tap Radiant Energy (voltage without current) just as Hector apparently claims." "The discussion about "false triggering" of the SCR's is interesting. My guess would be that the "false triggering" is coming from the neon bulb more than the SCR. 50% failure rate on a commercially available semi-conductor device seems excessive."
and here's the clincher
"I now see that there is more to the RV project than just Power Factor Correcting a 3-phase motor. This recovery process will work in ANY situation where an AC generator is supplying Reactive Power to a capacitive load." http://www.energeticforum.com/17211-post90.html
this was the most remarkable about-turn  i've ever seen. this is when it started getting interesting. oouthere, i really recommend you start looking into extracting the reactive power. if you got far enough to create it, why not just extract it?
6) "My goal will be to understand what this technology is and what it's historic roots are. At this point, my understanding is that it all relates back to Tesla's brushless induction motors, and his "Method of Conversion" processes for cracking Radiant Energy out of Resonant AC tank circuits. If you have found practical ways to accomplish this with off-the-shelf technology, then it is AWESOME."  http://www.energeticforum.com/17250-post99.html
7) a huge post from ashtweth in response to the thread http://www.energeticforum.com/17269-post106.html
8) peter lindemann reacts: http://www.energeticforum.com/17278-post108.html


anyone + oouthere pretty please, look into it.



btw, has anyone else noticed that  john bedini also speaks of reactive power extraction, etc?  ir efer to these 3 merlib posts (they're small archives, i spent a bit of time looking at what lindemann+bedini say about reactive power, cos  if  bedini talks about reactive power extraction, lindemann refers to tesla's reactive power extraction, and the Rotoverter technology's virtual current/reactive power  can be extracted with the circuits - as has been shown,  then these 3 things need to be put together, analyzed and applied. i am glad things are moving forwards now.
http://merlib.org/node/5544 - Peter Lindemann: Reactive Power and Radiant Energy and John Bedini's materials
http://merlib.org/node/5508 - John Bedini: Reactive Power is the clue to Monopole, Hendershot, Moray..


get the RV going, extract the VAR, and post about it. here is a good PDF which contains quite a lot of
various extraction circuits. http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Chapter2.pdf (go towards pages 35-40 etc, you'll see when the resonance recovery circuits start bumping in.

all i can say is, godspeed!

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #98 on: March 13, 2008, 11:33:09 AM »
Mem wrote: "Check this out guy here, then you'll see what I mean"

Hi mem, don't mix up the magician's abilities with the search for Free Energy. First is occultism. They pay whith their soul for it. Second is real nature!

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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #99 on: March 13, 2008, 01:01:18 PM »

get the RV going, extract the VAR, and post about it. here is a good PDF which contains quite a lot of
various extraction circuits. http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Chapter2.pdf (go towards pages 35-40 etc, you'll see when the resonance recovery circuits start bumping in.

all i can say is, godspeed!

Hi Esa,

Just a small correction on your otherwise excellent contribution: the pages on extracting circuits are between pages 24-35, so some ten pages earlier than you wrote above.

Thanks,  Gyula

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« Reply #100 on: March 19, 2008, 04:14:15 AM »
thank you! i never meant to mislead people on posting the "kinda thereabouts" page, and will correct it for future posts :)
i hope someone is having a feast reading the recovery circuits..

Hi Esa,
Just a small correction on your otherwise excellent contribution: the pages on extracting circuits are between pages 24-35, so some ten pages earlier than you wrote above.
Thanks,  Gyula

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« Reply #101 on: March 22, 2008, 08:28:54 AM »
Mem wrote: "Check this out guy here, then you'll see what I mean"

Hi mem, don't mix up the magician's abilities with the search for Free Energy. First is occultism. They pay whith their soul for it. Second is real nature!

Joh70, 
Do you believe what you say is true?

For a man to gain higher mastery to manipulate mater and time and space with his new gained abilitys.

That maybe called with bunch of names, such as occultism, yogic powers, magician etc? what ever the name used matters not.   

One thing for sure: True adept have no desire to demonstrate his ability, never! Perhaps young adepts are like a ?kid? needs lots of attention.

As far as the price of the gift goes?

Well, if you got the powers from the dark side of the spirit realm? You are right on Jon70!

But if you earn the rights and forces of Light (Holy Spirit) bless with many gifts I feel you are safe!
This doesn?t mean that even a rightly earned gift can?t be misused, surely it can!
Perhaps one has to have the wisdom and the discernments of the spirits before anything.
 
As as a free energy researcher I admit my weakness sometimes I drift into other realms
Mem>>

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« Reply #102 on: March 22, 2008, 08:38:38 AM »
i was recently re-watching "Energy From The Vacuum Part 2" with John Bedini - and in it, at the start, is the EnergenX promotional video from 2000, where Bearden describes one of the Bedini devices  as  being made to  produce reactive power - and that then transformed into actual energy.

this seems to be exactly the conversion rpocess that needs to happen in the RotoVerter  Reactive Power Recovery Circuits that are being spoken about  quite a bit.

your thoughts on recovering Reactive Power?

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« Reply #103 on: March 25, 2008, 06:38:45 PM »
The RV conversion is interesting because it converts to resonance. Tesla said something like "if it wasn't for resonance then electricity would be rather boring".

In practical RV terms the savings are really only on the light to medium load running. As the load increases the run cap has to be increased to make up for the power required.  It can save money though where you have a legitimate need for a motor. People with a pool for example run a 1hp pump motor for 8 to 12 hours a day taking like 800 watts and the motor runs so hot you cant touch it. In RV mode the speed comes up and the power drops to about 100 watts and then it runs cold saving the bearings from overheating and drying out.

When you see whats happening the coil inductance is increased by taking on more windings which allows for a smaller run cap and the supply in is shared between the phase in virtual mode.

However the loss of any type of OU is lost in the generator configuration.  Thats why Thrapp appears not to use an RV run motor but all the cap coil tweaks are done in the gene not the run motor. This is 100% opposite to what the RV crowd is doing where their gen motor is then wired to a really small inductance by parallel up the phases and set the lowest voltage setting. This must be wrong as Thrapp can prove its wrong by his clearly OU self running setup.

Thrapp clearly shows a massive cap bank on his gene but in addition the inductance looks huge too due to the size of the windings. There are similarities though. He is using an inverter which is modified to frequency and voltage and the bulb bank has another box on it too for what seems like more power factor correction. I think Thrapp describes the gene as a variable frequency generator. The trick always seems to be resonance.  Get the inductance to appear small even though in reality its large by thousands of turns and exchange it for extremely large caps to get the  C I in resonance.

The best thing about this in my mind from an experimenters point of view is that one can take ordinary motors and show excellent power savings that can do something useful. This is much better then a Bedini bicycle wheel going round thats does very little and where build standards are often really shabby and still wont do OU.

The same happens with the Newman motor. Make the inductance of the coil massive so the current is tiny and large voltages will start flowing.  The efficiency looks great but it is never recoverable to drive another motor.

If Thrapp is something to bear witness too then the OU loop trick is not in the run motor but in the gen motor. If the gen motor cant produce more electricity out then mechanical going in the OU loop is dead.


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Re: rotoverter for power generation
« Reply #104 on: July 25, 2008, 06:30:09 PM »
I know this is a stupid question - but I am having an impossible time finding the wiring for the rotoverter/3 phase motors. I have acquired some unused older GE 3 phase motors, but I cannot find anyplace showing which wire color off the motor is for what, so I am at a standstill.

Can anyone help me by just showing/telling which color wires are which on the 3 phase motors? I have got the capacitors for my variable bank and start up, but can't go farther without this simple (and probably stupid) problem being solved.

Thanks

 

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