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Author Topic: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets  (Read 30178 times)

eavogels

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Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« on: February 24, 2007, 04:13:07 PM »
Dual Piston Device.
I have done experiments with shieldig of repelling magnets by inserting thin plates of iron between them. When the iron is thin enough, the repelling magnets stop repelling and are not holding the shield too tight.
I have a simulation on my web site: http://fdp.nu/dualpistondevice/default.asp to see timing and placement of levers. This device will give a change to test with differrent shields and shield shapes.
Eric.
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Liberty

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2007, 04:55:11 PM »
Will your simulation work if you instead of using only one solid metal shield, use two or three parallel thin metallic shields with a small air gap space in between the thin metal shields?  Using layers of shields makes a more effective magnetic shield.

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eavogels

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2007, 06:26:15 PM »
Quote from: Liberty on February 24, 2007, 04:55:11 PM
Will your simulation work if you instead of using only one solid metal shield, use two or three parallel thin metallic shields with a small air gap space in between the thin metal shields?               
Your reply made me realise that I forgot to tell an important information about the simulation. I only simulated motion, not forces. I just simulated how I had to place the crank and the levers, in order to let the shield move at the right time, with the right speed. One can adjust a lot by just making a lever a bit longer or shorter.
The simulation does not include magnetic forces since I don't know how to do that. So the shield with the parallel path is certainly a shape that have to be tested.
Eric.
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eavogels

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2007, 01:49:42 PM »
I found a device that is based on the same principle.
See the attached clip. I hope I can get it split into seperat pictures.
Eric.
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Omnibus

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2007, 02:49:44 PM »
Who made this device? Can you post a link?
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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2007, 03:11:04 PM »
the video is good but it's maybe a big hoax with hided battery inside the big wood block
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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2007, 03:18:45 PM »
First of all let's see who made this device and where it's displayed. Of course, it has to be independently reproduced to verify it's a genuine self-sustaining machine.
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eavogels

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2007, 04:19:07 PM »
I found a clip on youtube, quality was not too good since the video was made with a cell phone.

The device was shown at the Kunstlaber Augsburg in 2004
If the filmer remember right it was done by some professor that was sick and tired of not seeing anything like this anywhere, even though the technology has been there for quite some time....

The filmer has not Free Energy interest so I could get more info.
Perhaps a German member can find out more about this German event?

The reason I'm interested is that the mechanical setup can help me with my device. Even though I couldn't find anyone interested, my small hand held test tells me that there is a potential in the dual piston device.
Perhaps I need to build 2 constructions with pisons, on both sides of the flywheel. I'm still convinced that all movement has to be synchronized with as less parts as possible.


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Omnibus

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2007, 06:15:48 PM »
So, this is again claimed to be simply a sculpture, as is Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile, isn't it? Because Science is uncomfortable with such experiments all this passes for 'art'. Who is the 'artist' anyway? Can anyone shed some more light on this? How come no one paid any attention to that device, especially those from the overunity crowd?
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eavogels

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2007, 07:01:32 PM »
I have no answers. I don't have the intention to defend the clip either. I just found it and shared it. I thought it was a good idea to post the clip since I saw a connection with my own device.
Eric.
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Omnibus

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2007, 07:36:24 PM »
That's great that you found this clip. I was just wondering how it has remained unnoticed until now. If that's genuine that will be it. It is the best self-sustaining device I've ever seen. Hope we don't get disappointed again.
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FreeEnergy

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2007, 10:05:36 PM »
Quote from: eavogels on March 31, 2007, 01:49:42 PM
I found a device that is based on the same principle.
See the attached clip. I hope I can get it split into seperat pictures.
Eric.

wow this looks amazing! (http://hackersclub.net/unity/e107_images/emotes/default/joy.gif)
thanks for sharing
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tropes

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2007, 12:29:33 AM »
Quote from: Omnibus on March 31, 2007, 07:36:24 PM
That's great that you found this clip. I was just wondering how it has remained unnoticed until now. If that's genuine that will be it. It is the best self-sustaining device I've ever seen. Hope we don't get disappointed again.
I don't think there is any claim or pretense of over-unity or self-sustaining with this device. To the contrary, it appears that the center shaft and wheel are powered by an outside source.
Peter
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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2007, 01:02:22 AM »
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I don't think there is any claim or pretense of over-unity or self-sustaining with this device. To the contrary, it appears that the center shaft and wheel are powered by an outside source.
Peter

That isn't evident. Only closer inspection can prove this conjecture. First things first, however. Who is the constructor of this device and how can one get in touch with him?
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tropes

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2007, 01:25:21 AM »
Quote from: Omnibus on April 01, 2007, 01:02:22 AM
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I don't think there is any claim or pretense of over-unity or self-sustaining with this device. To the contrary, it appears that the center shaft and wheel are powered by an outside source.
Peter

That isn't evident. Only closer inspection can prove this conjecture. First things first, however. Who is the constructor of this device and how can one get in touch with him?
If over-unity is not claimed by the builder, then the only conjecture is on your part.
Peter
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