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Author Topic: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets  (Read 26347 times)

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2007, 12:25:02 PM »
Here is a photo and a video of another replication of the believe motor. This set-up didn't work.

One of the (significent) differences between the believe motor and my dual piston device is that the believe motor has the shield moving at one speed, while the levers in the dual piston device have most force, when it is needed: during pull back.

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2007, 12:25:02 PM »

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2007, 11:00:49 PM »
Well that prototype has its timing all messed up, and way to much extra drag. The timing is no where near the timing of the other video.

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2007, 01:11:02 AM »
The constructor of the "believe motor" has to be contacted for details about his machine, including timing. As I said in a previous posting, I wrote to the gallery in Augsburg where the motor has been on display but the only reply I got was that they have received my message. Couldn't someone, especially our German friends, get in touch with these people and find out who the contructor is and where to find him. Stefan, couldn't you do it? I guess everyone would be very grateful if you could. Thanks.

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2007, 01:11:02 AM »
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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2007, 02:09:29 AM »
Sorry,
I didn?t read this thread earlier.
I will try to contact this exhibition guys.

Can you please send me the phone number you had of them by email ?
Many thanks.

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2007, 06:51:18 AM »
The timing on the 1st motor had the magnets closest just as the end of the metal plate was passing their center point, which allowed the pull on the plate to degrade easier as the plate continued out of the field and the magnets backed off. The workmanship on the prototype looks top notch. With a few adjustments they can get it to its highest efficiency, which might or might not yield results. Like I said I am fairly certain I could see pulleys off the end of the center shafts with belts on them, that might have been for a flywheel underneath the box, or an electric motor. The system was gear reduced so who knows.

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2007, 01:50:33 PM »
Well that prototype has its timing all messed up, and way to much extra drag. The timing is no where near the timing of the other video.
I ask the builder about the timing and this is what he answered:
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In my opinion the timing as it currently is is indeed not optimal, but certainly not completely messed up.
The reason why the motor doesn't run as I see it is because it costs too much energy to withdraw the plate from the magnetic field.
I tried timing my prototype as in the movie but now the motor shows the worst results.
Why?
-when the plate is at the center of the magnets when the magnets are at their closest position, it costs the maximum power that can build up in the machine to withdraw the plate from the magnetic field which is now the strongest.
-even when the plate has just passed the magnets there is still atraction from the magnets to the plate.
 
For this reasons it is necessary to time the magnets a bit later.
 
The extra drag is completely adjusable  and can be removed completely, so the plate would be the only drag left (without the circles around it).
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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2007, 03:34:26 PM »
I just called Ms. H?ther there and she was not aware of this device, but said, that she only works two years there and they have many expositions. was there any date posted, when this device was shown ?  Then she could look it up.

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2007, 03:49:19 PM »
Okay, the inventor is:
www.svenhahne.de from Cologne, Germany.

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2007, 04:01:59 PM »
Hi All, I just called him on his mobile phone and he said, it was a fake. It was an Art-project and thus the title, The Belive-machine....
He used a hidden accu for powering it.He will soon come to this forum and post more infos, as he did it as a thesis work to try out alternative energy in the first place.
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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2007, 06:50:09 AM »
stephen, very prompt and thorough leg work. As far as the protoytpe I would suggest that the magnets be closest when there is only half of the plate between them, and most of the plate has already past the magnet, and for kicks one might try a bit of bismuth at the end of the plate to help release the steel from the field of the mag. Just a thought.

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2007, 09:02:42 PM »
Here is a PDF. It's a long document and only the last 3 pages are about the believe machine.
But since we now know it's a fake, so this info won't help. Back to the Dual Piston Device again.
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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2007, 02:34:21 AM »
@eavogels,

Where does it say in the document (the pdf you attached) that it's a fake?

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2007, 06:22:59 AM »
@eavogels,

Where does it say in the document (the pdf you attached) that it's a fake?


Well, 2 messages earlier in this thread Stfan wrote that he talked with the builder personally by phone, and the man told him it was powered with a battery and just made as artwork.

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Re: Dual Piston Device with Permanent Magnets
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2007, 07:39:20 AM »
Not that I don't trust Stefan but I want to hear this from the constructor himself. The text you posted reminds me a lot of Finsrud. He says almost the same things as in the text you posted. And yet at other times you can hear him say other things too. He won't let you dismantle the device and verify what's in it just like this fellow here and yet he denies there is a hidden motor. The same way this guy seems to deny it in his written statement. Finsrud was telling me that if someone says it's a perpetuum mobile he'll deny it but if someone says it's not a perpetuum mobile he'll deny it too. Go figure. All these guys come across as frightened as hell. What has scared them so much beats me.

 

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