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Author Topic: Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor  (Read 502101 times)

Offline callanan

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Re: Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries !
« Reply #135 on: February 18, 2007, 01:47:35 AM »
Hi All,

I am very interested in the macro perspective of the energies that may be at work here. Let me explain. With the SSG we have always been aware of only two energies. One being the back emf pulse and the other being the transistor switching off transient or RE pulse as we have come to call it. Of these two energies we know that the back emf pulse is a real energy that can charge a battery or capacitor. But the RE pulse, even though we could see it on our scopes, we could never really prove it of any use. On it's own, the RE pulse can't power a fly. We only assumed it may be having some sort of magical excess energy charging effect when coupled with the back emf pulse.
 
More recently, I had decided to let go of the idea that the switching transient we see, is itself the REAL RE pulse and that the RE pulse is actually hidden in the back emf pulse. This is because of my reed motor work, where even though there a more switching transients, I found that even if I filtered them out with the low pass filter I could still manifest apparent OU results. That is not so say that they may have been still having an effect prior to the low pass filter, but just that they weren't directly effecting the batteries being charged...
 
Ok, now let's look at Mike's modified Bedini-Cole motor. For all intents and purposes, as far as energies go, it could also be seen as John's original trifilar SG motor. With such a motor, I see that there are actually three energies at work here and not just the two I have described. There is both the back emf and RE pulse being the first two. But this motor/circuit having a pick up generator coil, being the 3rd winding, actually creates a 3rd energy. This is both an inductive energy from the power winding's back emf pulse and is also an inductive energy from the passing magnets. In this case, using N-S-N-S poles, this inducting energy from the magnets can be more effective than that of a monopole motor.
 
Now let's compare Mike's motor to the original SG trifilar motor. I believe this is the key to what is creating the extra energy in the capacitor. The original SG motor did not have any direct linking of the 3rd energy from the generator winding. Mike's motor does and it does it at a certain time. It directs the RE pulse (transistor switch off pulse) which comes out of the bottom transistor's collector (in Stefan's hand drawn circuit) up through the main coil (2nd winding) and back through both the 3rd winding and also through the FWBR back to the capacitor.
 
Now when we look at duplicating what is going on here. We MUST make this exact design of the motor. That is because there is a number of key things it does and allows for it to work. First of all, it's N-S-N-S orientation is very important for the 3rd generator winding to generator the large power required to charge such a big capacitor. Now second of all, and I think even more importantly, the coil is just an air coil wound around the rotor with no core! This is almost the key for this motor to work. The large air coil will both pass and use the HF RE pulse coming from the bottom transistor. If we used an iron core, it will make the coil act as a low pass filter. The RE pulse will not get used or directed appropriately....

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Ossie Callanan

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Re: Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries !
« Reply #136 on: February 18, 2007, 03:56:32 AM »
Hello everyone. I have worked on electromechanics for a long time. I love thinking of ou and zp energy ideas as a hobby and told myself that it would never become an obsession. After watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rl1dI9YCi8 I think im going to start making it an obsession.  ;D

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Bedini's monopole IS n-s-n-s-n-s
« Reply #137 on: February 18, 2007, 08:21:40 AM »
The monopole motors ARE n-s-n-s-n-s-n-s, etc...
Actually it is n-ss-n-ss-n-ss-n-ss

ss=supersouth or scalar south that is squeezed out between both north
facing magnets.

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Bedini's monopole IS n-s-n-s-n-s
« Reply #137 on: February 18, 2007, 08:21:40 AM »
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Offline CTG Labs

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Surely the meaning of "mono"-pole means one pole, ie all north poles facing outwards.

In the window motor every other outward face is north and the others are south.

D.

Offline CTG Labs

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Rob,

I had just literally got home from work last night and finished it off, was just connected to a 12v 1.3aH battery drawing about 120mA.

Full hook up and tests to come...


D.

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Re: Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries !
« Reply #140 on: February 18, 2007, 10:42:05 AM »
I would like to download this entire thread for safe keeping and for offline use. Can I do this easily? Thanks :)

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Re: Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries !
« Reply #141 on: February 18, 2007, 12:22:39 PM »
I found the post from Callanan to be very interesting. The only criticism is his use of unexpleined abbreviations. Remember other people work in different disciplines, and these terms mean different things to different people.  What is the meaning of SSG, RE, SG ? Also can we all agree on a name for a Bridge Rectifier? Dont want to be picky, but clear unambiguous information is the road to replication. Heres wishing rapid success to all the builders, and massive overunity.

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Re: Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries !
« Reply #141 on: February 18, 2007, 12:22:39 PM »
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Offline callanan

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Re: Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries !
« Reply #142 on: February 18, 2007, 01:07:03 PM »
Apologies.

Simplified School Girl (SSG) motor.
Radiant Energy (RE) pulse.
School Gril (SG) motor.
High Frequency (HF)

Offline Rosphere

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Anyone, is it impossible, 100% of the time, to draw and use any power at all from the batteries inside of a multimeter through the probes?

Stefan, has Mike run his motor without the multimeter attached and does the motor operate any differently?

To be convinced, the skeptical mind will need to rule out the slimmest possible use of any familiar energy sources.  A second area of interest is this unfamiliar and obsolete SS-Relay.  Does it contain a battery added before, (or after,) market?

Stefan, how are the 3 gn0sis rep's proceeding and what exactly are they using for the SS-Relay?

I personally think that we have a real breakthrough here.  :)
But these university-planted voices in my head....  ???

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Offline CTG Labs

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It is happening 100% of the time, thats how the meter works.

I dont know if he has run it without the meter for long times though.


Regards,

Dave.

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Here are still the PDF datasheet Files of the used transistors and the Solid State Relay.
Danke Stefan !
Nic, a old ret.engineer

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Re: Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries !
« Reply #146 on: February 18, 2007, 05:25:48 PM »
Hi Dave,
Good work.
What voltage/current are you using to drive it?

I have just completed a cardboard mockup to get an idea of dimensions and layout - it looks really crap made from cardboard, but you get the idea.
Hope to get the router table out tomorrow to chop up some 10mm acrylic sheet.
SUCCESS !
Nic
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/Cardboard1.jpg)
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/Cardboard2.jpg)
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/Cardboard3.jpg)
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/Cardboard4.jpg)

Regards
Rob

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Hi All,
I just came back from a trip.
Too bad, Mike did not come back to the other forum
during the last 2 days, but maybe he was just on work
or is now trying to build the second modell he wanted to build.

Anyway, nice work being done now by all people here.
Keep on at it.
If I get to the PC this night again, I will
try to look into the last 2 scope shots, that Mike posted
and try to ponder, what we see in them.

P.S. Mike must have probably more than just 1 magnet on this syncwheel,
which sits on his axis and triggers the hall IC.
He probably has 3 magnets sitting there, as he has 6 magnets inside
the rotor, so as 2 rotor magnets give one sine induction wave, he needs
probably 3 sync wheel magnets to trigger the hall IC once in
every sine wave of the rotor.
Is this correct ?

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Re: Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries !
« Reply #148 on: February 18, 2007, 07:29:32 PM »
I just finished the mechanical parts of my prototype.  It's not too similar to the original, but it's what I could do quicklly by commandeering a Braun juicer from the kitchen, and the degaussing coil from a computer monitor:

http://HoytStearns.com/Steorn/Bedini001.jpg
http://HoytStearns.com/Steorn/Bedini002.jpg
http://HoytStearns.com/Steorn/Bedini003.jpg
http://HoytStearns.com/Steorn/Bedini004.jpg

I'll probably use a commercial inductive pickup, and a 555 timer to do the pulsing, and maybe even use a microprocessor to fine tune it.

The oscilloscope trace is 5 volts/div and 10 mSec/div when using the internal motor of the juicer to spin up.   Later, if this works, I can use the internal 3600 RPM induction motor as an induction generator to extract power :-) .

More later...



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Re: Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries !
« Reply #149 on: February 18, 2007, 07:39:34 PM »
Rob

That is very cool! and does not look crap, very creative.

Love the way people can be creative with things to hand, Keep up the good work.

Regards

Sean.


I have just completed a cardboard mockup to get an idea of dimensions and layout - it looks really crap made from cardboard, but you get the idea.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/Cardboard1.jpg)
Regards
Rob

 

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