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Author Topic: Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor  (Read 572536 times)

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Thanks Rob,

I'm registered there and just ordered one.


Regards,

Dave.

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I've just got my motor-mode unit running at a much lower voltage by joining two of my coils in series for the trigger, ie a slower speed is needed to get the 0.6v transister trigger. This means that now my drive coil is half the resistance & length of the trigger. In light of MeggerMan's theory of the ss relay only conducting the top 36V+ of the back emf to the cap, it might be worth putting a longer coil on the 3rd coil too to get the higher voltage more easily.

I still don't think I'm going to get any closer to self running without a new coil. And now darn it I've started suggesting changes before I have a fully working unit...I hate that...oops.

Charlie_V

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You know, Erfinder's circuit (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,133.80.html) seems to be doing the same thing only he's not using solid state devices.  He does make things a little cryptic with "ancient" measuring systems and coil weight ratios (I'm still a little skeptic about that).  I looked into the referenced Tesla patents he gave and there might be something there.  Although I haven't read them in detail, it appears Tesla figured out a way to charge a capacitor with way less power input than normally required.  Remember solid state was not around in 1896, he was doing this with coils and capacitors.  So, there might be a completely analog approach to this.

This reminds me, I found a patent Tesla made that converted AC to DC with only coils and transformers.  It wasn't a compact type device like we have today but still rather interesting.  When I was in school, they never mentioned methods of transforming AC to DC without diodes!

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Thanks MegerMan and Corona
Now i can help myselve to get the right wire
without to waist Money in dead kapital.

About the Bearings i will dismount a old Drilling Maschine
and take the rod as well.
Regards from Duisburg
Helmut

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One other thing - Meggerman, great idea on the stranded copper wire, I didn't know you could get that stuff, until I remembered it for it's other name - litz wire. I think litz typically has the higher numbers of strands, but if we can find it in smaller numbers (or just pair up x numbers of strands) we're really set to make coil building easy.

if only I could find a source in australia, I really don't want to have the wait and expense of purchasing overseas. All the hobby stores here seem to only have 25g rolls when looking at the .2mm .3mm range, and this isn't going to be enough length to get the recommended resistance, if I've done my calcs right. If they just had 50g rolls I could buy 3 rolls and twist them together, no worries. I certainly don't want to have to buy 6 rolls at AUD$7-8 each, considering I haven't had to spend a cent so far.

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Hi corona:
   For large spools of wire, just look up places that wind transformers. I get my roll in ten pound sizes. Gives many thousands of feet per spool. Price is usually by copper weight price.Not sure that will help you there in AU but worth a shot.

sugra

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Re: Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries !
« Reply #126 on: February 17, 2007, 06:18:51 PM »
In most drawings that show magnet pole polarity, they're all north pole out, and I see most if not all constructions have an even number of magnets on the rotor. Won't the voltages cancel on opposite sides of the coil --am I missing something?  I think an odd number of magnets would be better.

It also seems that if you alternated magnet polarities and butted them up to each other you'd get a stronger field.

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This is not a mono-pole motor, its N S N S N S facing out.


Regards,

Dave.

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Nop, With n-s n-s n-s configuration with this kind of coil you add power (ampere). If you put n-n n-n n-n you cancel the power (no value). Other think, with odd magnet, you will get half ampere since only one magnet work per time in comparison of two magnet in this configuration.

And for your information, the more speed magnet travel, more voltage you get.

Alp
Sergio




In most drawings that show magnet pole polarity, they're all north pole out, and I see most if not all constructions have an even number of magnets on the rotor. Won't the voltages cancel on opposite sides of the coil --am I missing something?  I think an odd number of magnets would be better.

It also seems that if you alternated magnet polarities and butted them up to each other you'd get a stronger field.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2007, 11:30:55 PM by sergio007 »

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Re: Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries !
« Reply #129 on: February 17, 2007, 08:35:07 PM »
Re obtaining winding wire.Firms that wind transformers are fine, but scarce. Virtually every town has a firm that rewinds industrial electric motors. Look in yellow pages under motor rewinds, or electric motor rewinds. You will need to know the Weight of wire needed. In the UK wire sizes are in metric.
             I understand that the inventor of this device wishes to remain anonymous. He could still make money when he has an easily repeatable design, by publishing an e-book with precise details. If he is busy, he could get someone else to do it for him, but it must show exact details and diagrams for idiots such as me. People would be willing to pay, or at least I would. Meanwhile we must wait patiently for info.

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Re: Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries !
« Reply #130 on: February 17, 2007, 09:17:26 PM »
...with odd magnet, you will get half tension since only one magnet work per time in comparison of two in this configuration.

I think the same tension because the same flux has to return through the space between the magnets -- just negative direction.

Correction: for "unipolar" and odd number above is true I think.




In most drawings that show magnet pole polarity, they're all north pole out, and I see most if not all constructions have an even number of magnets on the rotor. Won't the voltages cancel on opposite sides of the coil --am I missing something?  I think an odd number of magnets would be better.

It also seems that if you alternated magnet polarities and butted them up to each other you'd get a stronger field.

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Re: Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries !
« Reply #131 on: February 17, 2007, 09:39:51 PM »
Hi Hoyt,
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Won't the voltages cancel on opposite sides of the coil --am I missing something?  I think an odd number of magnets would be better.
NO.
If you look the motor with the rotor going vertical:

The coil winding direction on the left is going up and on the right it is coming down, therefore when the coil is energised the flux lines will rotate in opposite directions around the two vertical winding limbs.
Also an odd number of magnets will mean that one magnet will be lined up with the winding correctly and one will not and will be most likely be in the wrong position.
Its all one coil so you cannot switch off one winding.
The design is fine as it is, just needs refining for better efficiency.
Regards
Rob


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recent john bedini gn0sis post..  :)

Mike,
This is great work, It seems you have created a great debate in the energy community, that's good they need it.
As stated these drawings and machines have been on my internet sight since the internet started. I'm not here to find fault in anything you have done. I'm going to point out that unless everybody in this group follows your variation to the T
"They are doomed to failure", In replicating your motor.
The Window Motor is very close to the many I have built over the years, however unless everybody has your exact details, wire size, lengths in feet, switching devices, exact circuit wiring and so on, they will never reproduce it. The first thing to state here is that their is a big difference between efficiency and COP of the system. In the motor you reproduced your efficiency is around 99.9 but the COP is over 100% that is why the "CAP charges" up. The next problem is that your hall device can not work correct, because of the Radiant spike, if you walk away the Hall will soon burn out and that part will hinder your performance.
So I will state for the record right here the Motor section is not over unity and your statement is correct.
The Group needs to understand what they are building, they are building a machine that takes advantage of a simple trigger system, you must supply the trigger to cause the effect to happen. It is that trigger that causes things to happen, it's known as a sharp gradient. Sharp gradients cause normal EM systems to do real funny things since it is not in the normal text. For example the correct sharp pulse can trigger a battery to recharge itself, it can cause a capacitor to recharge itself and so on.
You are dealing with quantum systems when you cause this to happen, and they look totally different from the standard EM systems, when you combine the two you have real trouble.
Normal EM systems are designed to never be over unity and you only have meters and scopes that see only this, you can not see in the Quantum level with your instruments.
The original Maxwell equations allow the production of The term FREE ENERGY, the paper is on the internet and also it can be found on Tom Bearden's Internet Sight.
I'm Not here to have a debate with any people that think they know better, I do not want to discuss the TURBO CHARGER, which was mine in the beginning, I do not want to discuss Glow bulbs, or I think that this is what is going on, because it's not what is going on.
You Have made a great leap in what you did and posted to the internet in this group along with the Video.
John Bedini

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Running off battery...

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Re: Here it is ! The first documented selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries !
« Reply #134 on: February 18, 2007, 01:22:57 AM »
Hi Dave,
Good work.
What voltage/current are you using to drive it?

I have just completed a cardboard mockup to get an idea of dimensions and layout - it looks really crap made from cardboard, but you get the idea.
Hope to get the router table out tomorrow to chop up some 10mm acrylic sheet.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/Cardboard1.jpg)
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/Cardboard2.jpg)
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/Cardboard3.jpg)
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/Cardboard4.jpg)

Regards
Rob