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Author Topic: J-shaped magnetic motor! Has someone ever tried this?  (Read 5974 times)

Offline Low-Q

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J-shaped magnetic motor! Has someone ever tried this?
« on: February 11, 2007, 04:27:13 PM »
Hi

I just came over an idea I had several years ago, which I never had time to build. The idea is based on the fact that constant magnetized iron will repell an equal pole from a second permanent magnet (as normal) unless the distance between them are so close that the force in the attraction between the iron and the second magnet is stronger than the repell force. In a critical distance between them, there are neither repell- or attraction force.
Take a look at the picture below, and try to imagine how it works. The distance A, B, and C does not provide neither repell- or attraction force. As the blue pole in the laminated "J-rion" is weakest at distance A this distance is longer than B, and again distance C is shorter than B. At point D, magnet 1 are suddenly in a repell position because the distance is suddenly too far. The point of no return is passed in distance D, and this will make the rotor to rotate - thats the thaught anyway.

(http://www.lyd-interior.no/div/theJmotor.jpg)

Br.

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« Last Edit: February 11, 2007, 04:58:17 PM by Low-Q »

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Re: J-shaped magnetic motor! Has someone ever tried this?
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2007, 08:42:02 PM »
Hi Vidar,

How can you make the material between C and D suddenly get magnetized and repel without any outside manipulation? What is more, the repel action should suddenly "appear" when the rotor magnet in question is just passed that point. Otherwise it is a "sticky" point for sure.
I think the path between C and D points can be only gradually made to repel the rotor magnets arriving there and this is already enough to stop the rotor after an initial push is made on it as a start.
I may be wrong but this how I think it now.

Gyula

EDIT PS: Have a look at the first picture at John Bedini site:
http://www.icehouse.net/john1/motor.html   because it is based on some similar balance of the magnetic forces you refer to, I think.

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Re: J-shaped magnetic motor! Has someone ever tried this?
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2007, 09:33:15 PM »
The link you refer to is not the same, but if the magnet was fully covered by iron, it would look more the same.
I once discovered that balancing attraction and repelling by placing a permanent magnet in right distance to a magnetized piece of iron did not make a sticky point. So I manually moved the permanentmagnet further out to the side where it came far enough out to be repelled, without sticking into anything. However this simple device I tested was repelling with equal force from any direction forcing the device to stop anyway. The J-shaped magnetized iron, I hoped to gradually keep the critical distance until it is "too late", and then the permanent magnet in the rotor kept going clockwise...

I probably have to do "something" in the gap in the J-shaped iron to prevent the oposite of sticky points ???

Br.

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Re: J-shaped magnetic motor! Has someone ever tried this?
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Re: J-shaped magnetic motor! Has someone ever tried this?
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2007, 10:26:48 PM »
Hi Vidar,

Gyula is right. I also think it will do nothing, sorry. The sticky spot is there between C and D, and I can see no force in this design to overcome it. In fact it looks very similar to some already failed design. :-\

Sticky points... With very easy words, When like poles are moving towards each other, and become closer to each other. They repel, they do not want to become closer. So they never will, unless you input some energy, but this is not the option you're looking for.

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Re: J-shaped magnetic motor! Has someone ever tried this?
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2007, 10:29:43 PM »
Hi Vidar,

Gyula is right. I also think it will do nothing, sorry. The sticky spot is there between C and D, and I can see no force in this design to overcome it. In fact it looks very similar to some already failed design. :-\

Yeah, always with the sticky spots.  That was my $50.00 magnet motor lesson.  >:(

I am still waiting for Steorn to show us no sticky spots.  And waiting.  :-\

Did I mention that I was WAITING?  ::)

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Re: J-shaped magnetic motor! Has someone ever tried this?
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2007, 11:23:10 PM »
Hi Low-Q

It will work!!! I could tell that at a glance, even if a couple members doubt that it will. With very little refinemant it should work like a champ.
On the red end form an eye and on the X end grind it to a sharp point. Then between the 4 and 1 magnets form a barb. ;)

Gregory wrote "In fact it looks very similar to some already failed design." :o

Ah Not true. That design been catchin em for hundreds of years!!! (See ya'all down at the fishin hole) ;D

Low-Q Good luck with your project. I gotta pop another top. Hamm's the beer refreashing. ;)

Dave

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Re: J-shaped magnetic motor! Has someone ever tried this?
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2007, 11:46:44 PM »
just might work. very nice.

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Offline Rosphere

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Re: J-shaped magnetic motor! Has someone ever tried this?
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2007, 12:33:12 AM »
That design been catchin em for hundreds of years!!! (See ya'all down at the fishin hole) ;D

That design?

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Re: J-shaped magnetic motor! Has someone ever tried this?
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2007, 05:23:16 PM »
Hi Low-Q

It will work!!! I could tell that at a glance, even if a couple members doubt that it will. With very little refinemant it should work like a champ.
On the red end form an eye and on the X end grind it to a sharp point. Then between the 4 and 1 magnets form a barb. ;)

Gregory wrote "In fact it looks very similar to some already failed design." :o

Ah Not true. That design been catchin em for hundreds of years!!! (See ya'all down at the fishin hole) ;D

Low-Q Good luck with your project. I gotta pop another top. Hamm's the beer refreashing. ;)

Dave

Thanks! That was uplifting :) Lets try and see how, or if it works. I have had many designs through the years with promising theory, but so far none of them has worked...

The design has probably a few things I have to add or modify. I'm afraid the sticky point is between A and D. So if I could make a similar arrangement where the rotor magnets are not affected by any magnetic field (At least where the sum of attraction of iron and repeling of an equal pole is zero - but in a distance that makes the X pole the dominant pole...I'll make or modify the drawing so you understand what I mean.

Br.

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Re: J-shaped magnetic motor! Has someone ever tried this?
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2007, 09:06:38 PM »
Mmm.  Just in case he doesn't come back to clarify -

Idnick, probably drunk, was joking about how the design looks like a fish hook.

Les.

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Re: J-shaped magnetic motor! Has someone ever tried this?
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2007, 09:59:11 PM »
He-he! Yes, he was probably drunk :D. And it sure looks like a fish hook, and maybe it works best as a fish hook too...

Anyway, I have had some progress in this "fish hook". A simple test verifies that there is no sticky points right before D/X, or between A and D for that matter. So there is a force dominating in one direction. If I can make a rotor with several magnets, maybe I can catch some fish - even Nemo, if I find him ;D.

Anyway, without magnetized hook, the rotor magnet will be forced clockwise until it meets point X - where it will stop. An opposite force is then made by magnetizing the hook, so there is then no sticky points at all between A and D. Right after point D/X the rotor magnet is repelled with no force preventing it to pass this point. Right after D and X there is a powerful repel. I tried to move the magnet counter-clockwise, but the magnet will always go clockwise. The question is if this repel is powerful enough to turn the rotor magnet to pass point A again to make the second revolution. Maybe a few sheets of iron to "shield" the straight and equal polarized part of the hook, is necessary.

I have spent approx $5 this far. Maybe $5 more, and some building time to finish a prototype will do ???

Pictures will of course follow as the project is progressing. A hundred years of explanations will not make the device to work, so I better try to build it :)

Br.

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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2007, 11:03:33 PM »

I really liked those last two posts   ;D LMAO
Honest guys  I wasn't drunk Only had a few brews, and when I seen that design I just couldn't resist.  :o It was all in good fun

Dave

"maybe I can catch some fish - even Nemo, if I find him."     ;D  I liked that!!!!!!!!! ;D

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Re: J-shaped magnetic motor! Has someone ever tried this?
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2007, 08:24:07 AM »
No worries mate. 

I'm seeing it now as a metaphor for what we're all trying to do here.  Fishing.  Casting lines into the unknown, trying to connect to something unseen, to hook into the free energy, to drag something beneficial out into a tangible, exploitable reality...

Les.

 

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