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Title: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: terry muller on February 07, 2007, 07:01:17 PM
Hello guys,
First time for me on the overunity forum: i think you?re always searching for experimentors, no ?
I?m and i work on the correa?s patents, at home: you know, we often hear about different phenomenons which are particular in plasma technologies, like vacuum arc, glow discharges, cones, vortex and these so strange longitudinal waves. In the seven videos that I?ve posted last month , you can see all of these .
The links are:
Sorry, the commentaries are in French: at the beginning, it was destined for friends, but if you want, I can translate (with my poor English) .
Hope this can explain something you?ve not understand
Terry M.
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: Jinis on February 07, 2007, 08:38:35 PM
Hi Terry,

thanks for impressive videos! Looks really great!

What kind of intresting effects on the enviroment or your body you could detect during your exps?

Thanks :)
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: terry muller on February 08, 2007, 03:12:42 PM
Hello jinis ,
Thanks  for your interest,
sorry, I cannot say  something sp?cial occurs during the operation of the tube: just an excitation as when one is close to a big steel crucible in fusion: but it is obviously subjective. (you undoubtedly refer to the tests of Tesla with the longitudinal waves isn?t it ? ). For the continuation, I would like to be clear: the tube corr?a, in its various operations, can be impressive, but it is not what is required: OU is find ,only in the numbers which come from experiments, and it is less pleasant than a video. While starting with vid?os, I wanted to  create an interest among members of the forums , because, apparently, few mans are interested by this technology (I did not find any experimenter on the Web). Of course, the first difficulty is to have a vacuum pump: it is expensive, but on second-hand, it is already easier: the rest of the equipment is rather traditional: if there is interest, I would explain how to manufacture a tube with almost nothing (I have to seek a little for that): afterwards, if one wants to do the work seriously, one needs a numerical oscilloscope, as in the video, and a program to treat the data (spreadsheet): the power supply is done with a variac and a transformer of micro wave, four diodes micro wave for rectification,?.the rest is lighter material. As far as I?m concerned, I agree with the idea of Stephan, i.e. that the systems Corr?a, Chernetsky, Gray, but also Shoulder and others, have a whole a common point: the abnormal effect of cathode. For the moment, I did nothing more then recreate the system so that it functions normally: It remains certainly me still much of work before having OU: moreover, there are many traps on the way when one works with strong currents and high voltages: I believed to have OU several times because of problem of calibration of probe or going beyond of tolerance of electronics elements: then, you ,who will also test, be careful, at all points of view. Here, I believe that it should be known what is true in this strange phenomenon of cathode, if one wants to go further. Then, we?ll better understand works of all these pioneers and we will be able, maybe, to have a true generator of free electricity.

 Terry Mr.
The next emails will be more technical, I hope !!!
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: hartiberlin on February 08, 2007, 04:28:52 PM
Hi Terry, many thanks for your videos. Please keep us updated. Please try to put in series with your tube a big coil and an incandescent bulb and try to see, if you can light it up, when you have the glow discharge with the RF burst oscillations.
Many thanks.
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: terry muller on February 17, 2007, 07:00:33 PM
Hello stephan,
Thank you for your interest for my small work:
 For the moment, I continue to test my corr?a?s tubes  : my first tests have made it possible to check the general behavior of the tube in the configurations described by our two inventors. As they announce it, there are many factors which modify the mode and the type of discharge: All that takes much time because I really wish to know what there is of truth it inside. That interests me much: it's a pity that there is so few experimentator to exchange the result of research task:
 before studying the ?Corr?a?, I explored ?Meyer, Kanarev and Joecell?: all that especially learned how to me to be very attentive with the results of measurement and has me to be wary about it: you know as me that an error arrives quickly: I don?t know if you are like me, but I like to find some of them because it?s surer for the continuation:
To summarize, I tested; Various tubes, power supplies , pressures, gas (air, argon, I think of testing hydrogen; to see Chernetsky, Mills,?.), engines, capacitors values : I analyze all by oscilloscope, transient recorder, calculation of datas with spreadsheet: I am wary very extremely of the multimeters, rms, and of the tolerances of the elements in mode of impulse. For the moment, no OU, all seems to follow the current laws of electricity: After the reading of the opinions of inventors concerning on unit plasma, it seems  to be a common idea: over unity with plasma appears on the level of cathode and produces much more electron (cluster) that it can have received from the power supply . But if there is production of electrons , there should be also production of positives ions  from metal or residual gas: a kind of ?cathodic? explosion would expel them both: it is known that the positive ions , heavier, move more slowly than the electrons: thus: (see the diagram)

1?: charge of C, slowly
2?: when the tube?s breakdown voltage is reached, C discharges
3?: ions+ and e- are expelled of cathode thanks to a kind of ?quantum?explosion ??
4? the e-, attracted towards the anode go there rather quickly and charges C,  R ballast blocks them a certain time: the ion+ return to cathode

If it is well as that which that occurs, then, to have OU, it?s only necessary  to prevent that too many new cathodic electrons coming from the power supply neutralize the ions + . One should then have an inversion of polarity very marked on the plates.

 it is in this direction that I seek .
 So, thank for your comment
Bye, see you soon!

Terry M.
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: terry muller on February 17, 2007, 07:10:36 PM
now, some photos for you, just for fun!
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: terry muller on February 17, 2007, 07:26:47 PM
more photos ?
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: hartiberlin on February 22, 2007, 02:14:06 PM
Hi Terry many thanks for these interesting
analysises and pictures.

Please try to wind a coil onto your tube and see, what kind of induction
voltage you can get from this coil..
I once had a simular setup just with a small Xenon flash tube
and I could get quite some good induction
into a coil wired around the Xenon tube.

But then I lost the exact circuit diagram, cause I changed some wires
and I could not replicate this good output energy from the coil connections.
I also had some kind of feedback coil additionally, but again,
documentation of circuit diagrams are so important, so always write
down the exact circuit diagram, before you change anything.

Many thanks and looking forward to your next experiments.

Also Chernetsky did it with H2 gas at low 0.5 Tor pressure or something
simular like this.
When he did get the overunity effect, his H2 gas changed the color
from yellow to blue...or the other way around...
Just if you have the possibility, just try H2 at low pressures, this
is a very interesting gas.
But please try to put a vacuum first into your tube, before you fill
it up with H2, so you don?t get oxyhydrogen, which is very explosive !
Be very carefully !

Good luck !

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: terry muller on March 06, 2007, 05:43:18 PM
Hello Stephan,
A few days ago, I took time to test the tube with a co?l as you suggested it: the places of electrodes were modified as you can see it on the photograph, so that the induction produced by the discharge is optimal: you can see that it?s a kind of vacuum arc discharge here: the diagram shows you two curves; the top is the voltage of the tube (1500 volt), and the bottom is the voltage induced in the co?l: the frequency of resonance of the co?l is related to its own capacity: what is interesting, it is that the impulse in the co?l is created by the voltage drop at the boundaries of the tube: the instantaneous current is very important, but curiously, it is only the beginning of the discharge which creates the impulse in the co?l, not the rest of current of discharge of the condenser: it seems that this ?second? current is useless????? for induction:

 Another thing, for the moment, I still do not have OU with the  basic corr?a?s tube: and i waste lot of time with false data because measuring instruments are often misleading: I must match up various tests to have the true values: it does not seem useful  to me to tell all these tests which I carry out: I prefer to wait to have something  concrete before publishing : but of course, if somebody needs assistance for the basic system, I answers.

 Thank for your suggestions
 Terry Mr.
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: bitRAKE on March 06, 2007, 07:11:20 PM
Terry, thank you for the wonderful images. Your attention to detail is well respected. Are we saying that energy is present in the vacuum (potential between relatively neutral particals is not zero)? Or are we saying the vacuum acts as a different type of capacitor? These might be the same thing, but the second one can be a liaison to the first. Have you tried a neutral plate between the cathode and anode? Is the conical form in the patent important to the effect?

Please, keep posting your discovery.
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: hartiberlin on March 07, 2007, 03:00:58 AM
Hi Terry,
very nice pictures and scopeshots !

What puzzles me is the noise waveform ontop the supply
voltage, before you fire the tube.

Why is there this noise in the Supply voltage ?
Is this before the trigger point or did you already trigger the discharge
at this time point ?

2. Maybe you can also additionally wire a second coil at 90 degrees to the first
one , or 2 coils like a "Helmholtz-coil" setup in parallel to the tube,
so we can see, if the magnetic waves maybe go out 90 degrees rotated ?

At least we can now see, that the discharge current is oscillating in this
very nice looking violet colored arc !

Looking forward to see more of your work.
Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: terry muller on March 07, 2007, 08:10:28 PM
Hi Stephan ,

 the system which you can see on the photographs was creates just to illustrate the oscillating phenomenon generated by the powerful capacitive discharge in a simple co?l but I did not seek to optimize it: ken Shoulders used a similar system in its patents concerning the clusters of ?lectrons (EV), though in very different dimensions, to recover its OU: in the patents of Corr?as, it is not question of that: to answer to your questions, you will notice on the third photographs, that the oscilloscope shows an oscillation wave without noise this time: in fact, the system of discharge always starts itself: no electronics here. As regards the co?l at 90?, I quickly tested it before modifying this tube: no induction. But I do not have anything deepens: then it?s just very partial result. Now, I answers the questions of Bitrake: the  basic corr?a?tube is equipped with  tungsten probe: it is used to increase the frequency of discharge:thus, we can use the tube like triode but my tests has share some indices, which make me think that the source of OU is not to seek there. As regards the dielectric influence of the vacuum, it has all its importance in the processes of Lawrence Nelson and those of Kenneth Shoulders, certainly: but with vacuum tubes of Corr?a, Chernetski and probably Gray, it seems to me that it is about another thing:  many indices make me think of the use of hydrogen low pressure (trace in Al??) with catalyst (argon), as described exactly in the excellent work of Randel Mills. If it is the good idea, then perhaps w have the source of the energy of these three systems: H and not the ZPE: all that remains has to check: it is what I will do:  buying a hydrogen bottle and to work outside. I hope you understand Stephan, that Corr?as succeeded with the system which they described in their patents: I cannot deviate  too much from. their work: of course, you wish to have more infos on the effect of Newman?s sparks, but my impression is that the Corr?a process must be distinguished from that one, I suppose!?!

 Terry Mr.
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: bitRAKE on March 08, 2007, 03:39:16 AM
Thanks for your reply Terry. I rather mean comparing your current measurements to those with an intermediate piece of tungsten - should not be connected to anything - just in the vaccum between cathode and anode. My thinking was that form somehow organized energies at another scale. Might this enhance the dielectric effect, or allow higher frequencies? Your work has inspired me to speculation after reading patent 7053576.
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: hartiberlin on March 08, 2007, 10:34:56 PM
Hi Terry,
thanks for these answers.
Okay, so then please try to wind more windings onto your tube and use this
coil as a feedback coil to use it to regenerate some power and
maybe keep the oscillations going.
You might still need an impedance matching transformer to transform
the coil?s output down to lower voltage and higher current.

Good luck !

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: AbbaRue on March 26, 2008, 06:23:06 AM
I built an experimental unit 3 winters ago and made many measurements.
Unfortunately I didn't have an Oscilloscope at the time, so I didn't get any waveform readings.
My final unit used a 1 inch copper tube with an aluminum spike mounted down the middle.
With this unit I made the following measurements posted on my homepage.

I also made a video of the unit, but I still need to upload it to youtube or metacafe.
I leased the argon tank for one year and once the lease ran out I disassembled the whole setup.
If I ever get the urge to try this system again I will be buying my own argon tank this time.

Anyway check out the measurements I got on my homepage. 
The reason for all the different readings is the vacuum in the tube kept changing with time,
so I had to periodically turn on the vacuum pump to get the vacuum up again.

Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: hartiberlin on March 26, 2008, 06:45:20 AM
So you had about a overunity COP of about 2:1 !
Nice !
Do you have any pictures of your setup ?

How did you exactly measure the power input and output ?
With what meters ?

Many thanks for this report.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: Feynman on March 26, 2008, 07:13:14 AM
Amazing. I am just seeing this for the first time.  I want to replicate this!

Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: AbbaRue on September 21, 2008, 07:33:49 PM
Sorry I didn't get back to this thread sooner.

@terry muller
Are you still experimenting with the Argon Tubes?

I won some money on the slots so I used some of it to buy my own argon tank.
I hope to get things set up again and do some more testing. 
I have so many projects on the go on my work table that I have to do some major tidying up.
I have new ideas to test, and I hope others might get interested in the project too.
I know this type of project can be a pain because you need a vacuum pump and an air tight chamber.
I found the cheapest and easiest way to do it is to use copper tubing with a plastic cap at one end and the tap at the other.
I just epoxy the cap on the one end with a long aluminum spike through it. You could use aluminum rods too.
I solder the tap on the other end.  My vacuum pump is fitted with a standard 3/8 connector that fits a toilet supply tube.
Then I use a standard toilet supply shutoff tap.
And my favorite idea, I use a balloon mounted in the center of the argon supply hose.
I turn on the argon tank to fill the balloon, and then I drain some of the balloon into the argon tube,
turn on the vacuum pump, and there you have it, an argon vacuum.
Real easy to build unit, the hardest part is getting a vacuum pump and the argon tank.

Anyway, hopefully I will have things up and running again.

This time I have a scope, a frequency counter, and a radiation detector so I should be able to get some good measurements.
I also have a whole mess of meters too.
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: terry muller on September 23, 2008, 08:35:57 AM
hi, Abbarue

i'll coming back during winter, this year, with news !
hum ! can you send us some photografs of your work: it's always easier to understand

thanks a lot for your contribution

terry  ;)
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: Koen1 on October 13, 2008, 02:40:05 PM
Hiya AbbaRue,

sorry to reply so late,
but this is very interesting stuff!

I always liked the Correa's pictures of the glowing tubes,
but I really like your measurement tables that show your 50 Watts in and 110 Watts out :D

Can you please tell me what the exact design is of the tube you used?
(you did mention it somewhere but I forgot)

Keep up the interesting work! :)
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: koboldkun on November 18, 2009, 07:35:08 PM
Have you any news about this technology ? I try to replicate it ! thank you for the answer !
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: antimony on January 14, 2018, 03:52:45 PM
Have you any news about this technology ? I try to replicate it ! thank you for the answer !

I want to also know if there are someone here or somewhere that have tried to replicate this effect?

I am reading patents that i have printed out, but i donĀ“t have the means to do a replication, but it would be interesting to try to sometime in the future.

Thanks in advance. /
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: rass on March 03, 2018, 12:42:01 AM
This may interest some here as it relates to excess energy from plasma discharges. Extremely credible!

Montgomery Childs from the SAFIRE project; (8:13 minutes) "This cloud of ions got so dense it blew off into the chamber atmosphere. There was a pressure spike during these events. Even more importantly is that although we limited the power to only 1800 watts DC, the oscilloscopes measured a short lived power surge of over 2 million watts. At times, at over 10 million watts. To offer some perspective on this, the Bruce Nuclear power plant in Canada, the largest one we have, produces 7 million watts. "
Title: Re: correa's pagd in ACTION
Post by: Mem on June 23, 2018, 11:47:03 AM

AbbaRue, That was a very interesting experiment that you did about 10 years a go.  I wonder what was the size of the Agone tube that you used?
I sure hope you can come back to this experiment.