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ring_theory

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free energy via mechanical means
« on: February 03, 2007, 08:36:41 AM »
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Re: free energy via mechanical means
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2007, 03:23:50 PM »
Hi there Ring,
Hmm mate, don't you think the back drag under load (aka Lenz Law) will kill the o.u potential? Like it does in any generator where there is realive motion between the coils and magnets...

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Re: free energy via mechanical means
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2007, 07:52:24 PM »
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Re: free energy via mechanical means
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2007, 12:09:38 AM »
Well I guess the actual model will prove it all, but how I see it, Lenz Law will put-up a counterproductive field whenever your magnet comes close to the coil. With or without core material. I?m also not really sure if the professor referred to Lenz Law or the reversed electrical spike from a collapsing field in a coil which is normally referred to as Back emf (spike). And indeed your system would not suffer from that since the output will be like a sine wave and not a fast collapsing field. So I'm still 99% sure Lenz Law will work against you. Not trying to discredit you or anything mate...
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Re: free energy via mechanical means
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2007, 05:29:37 AM »
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Re: free energy via mechanical means
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2007, 03:47:49 PM »
Well I don?t pretend to have the final answer but for a coil without a core-material, high ghz frequencies are not really a problem so my guess it Lenz can also exist on the ghz range since it is a 'byproduct' of induction under load, and it?s strength is in proportion to the load you take of the coil. But I do would like to see your setup in action since it uses a rather unusual method. It's running the coils through the centre of the coil. And even in permanent magnets there is a kind of neutral zone in centre top of each pole. So I also guess that the size of the magnet is important since that 'neutral zone' is kind rather small.
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Re: free energy via mechanical means
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2007, 05:40:16 PM »
I just want to see someone make a belt with a bunch of magnets attached that can turn at 50krpm without it coming apart. That alone is an attention getter .

Good luck on this one guys.
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Re: free energy via mechanical means
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2007, 01:29:24 AM »
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Re: free energy via mechanical means
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2007, 02:27:14 AM »
I would think if it can work on a belt, it should work on a wheel.

Why not have the magnets on the outside of a plastic wheel, then at the hub of the wheel have one side keyed to a motor and place your inductance coils on the outside of magnets. Looks a little more familiar now... Should be cheaper to build and I don't see why the principle wouldn't work in either configuration if it works at all. If you'd like more a more detailed explanation of the wheel concept let me know.

Good luck on your prototype,
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Re: free energy via mechanical means
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2007, 05:33:56 AM »
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Re: free energy via mechanical means
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2007, 07:35:01 AM »
I see your layout now, and I can make a good animated demo for the device, but I still think you're mistaken in your operating principles. If you look at the physics of a chain driven jack shaft, you'll see that the same ammount of magnets will pass on a wheel per revolution as on a belt, and that there is less friction and less ability for the energy being absorbed by the chain via rotor magnet drag. All arround a wheel would make your design more efficient... moving parts and friction are a big no no when it comes to efficiency.

I'm sure if theres a mechanical engineer listening they can back me up on this.

Just my two cents,
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Re: free energy via mechanical means
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2007, 03:00:38 PM »
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Re: free energy via mechanical means
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2007, 12:43:34 AM »
Magnets on the face of a wheel could still pass through the center of your induction coils. My point is still that the chain offers you no benefit and robs the device of a lot of kinetic energy. Ask anyone with any mechanical engineering background and they will tell you a chain is no good for your design.

example of magnets on wheel face:

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Re: free energy via mechanical means
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2007, 09:41:46 AM »
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Re: free energy via mechanical means
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2007, 03:14:22 AM »
Well it seems you're set in its design...
I look foreward to seeing your prototype.

Good luck,
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