Author Topic: Global Warming, unstoppable (Read 46173 times)

casman1969 · « **Reply #90 on:** January 14, 2009, 09:52:54 PM »

I truly hope Barry Soetoro A.K.A. POTUS elect will bring up Global Warming to the throngs of frozen stiff, hypnotized obots. Now that would be RICH!!!!

Yucca · « **Reply #91 on:** January 14, 2009, 10:55:33 PM »

One thing about "global warming" that has always puzzled me is this:
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Fossil fuel would not exist naturally, because of natural biomass decay all calorific content is used up before it then becomes sedimentary chalk etc. The carbon always gets put back into the biosphere before natural burial occurs.

There was a time when all of the buried carbon (coal,oil,gas) was above ground, probably before some massive meteor strike that buried it all and seperated it from the biosphere.

The planet, itÂ´s atmosphere, its liquids and its solids is for all intents and purposes a closed system. So it follows that prior to the one off creation of fossil fuel then surely all of that carbon existed above ground in the form of plants and animals.

The earth will readily turn that trapped carbon back into plants and animals in quite a fast manner. I can speak from first hand experience that increasing the CO2 content of the atmosphere from 300ppm (natural) to around 700ppm makes a DRASTIC difference to the plant. It grows much more vigorously and it also grows with much more health, the stems are fatter, the foliage is fuller, the fruit is heavier. Only going to around 2000ppm do you see what appears to be fertilizer burn occuring, the leaves curl and start to yellow and die at the tips. In summary; a CO2 level double what it is would yield a much denser biosphere, more plants thus more animals.

So I have a feeling that global warming may be some form of mass myth, propogated to try and take us down the peak oil curve with as controlled a descent as possible?

IÂ´m not saying burn it all up real fast, I myself think we should use as little fuel, food, resources as we can. IÂ´m just saying that maybe for some reason weÂ´re being told itÂ´s bad news when perhaps it isnÂ´t?

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With regard to fossil fuel useage and marketing as a whole thereÂ´s quite a puzzle there too, we all know that standard ICE carburettor can be greatly improved, vaporization prior to air mixing could be easily employed by the big manufacturers to give 50% increases on MPG as well as many other methods. People often say "itÂ´s big oil corp doing it to sell more oil". But that argument is flawed, it would make much more financial sense for big oil corp to sell us less at the same price, after all their inventory is finite. So really big oil corp should endorse fuel effinciency and actually invest in fuel saving tech. whilst at the same time creeping up their prices by limiting production. But this thought raises the question:

Then just why are we encouraged to use more oil? One idea IÂ´ve entertained is that some alien race that maybe prefers a slightly richer CO2 level, genetically engineered humans for the purpose of mining the planet of its ores and fossil fuel. When the planet is fully mined maybe the aliens will return to set up home. And so the aliens are now manipulating us to use more oil. Admittedly this theory is way out there, but it makes more sense to me than saying the oil cartels want to waste product.

lancaIV · « **Reply #92 on:** January 16, 2021, 02:23:03 AM »

Now 2021 p.C.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globale_Erw%25C3%25A4rmung
a. 2016 was the warmest year since systematic measurements began in 1880. It was around 1.1 ° C warmer than in pre-industrial times.
b.
The IPCC writes in its fifth assessment report published in 2015 that it is extremely likely that humans caused more than 50% of the warming observed between 1951 and 2010.

50%
search machine : deutsche Wetterdienst
Meteorologische Bodenmesstechnik - DWD www.dwd.de › pdf_einzelbaende › leitfaden6_pdf

page 172
VERGLEICH KONVENTIONELLER MESSTECHNIK MIT MODERNEN SENSOREN

COMPARISON OF CONVENTIONAL MEASUREMENT TECHNOLOGY WITH MODERN SENSORS
page 173

17.2 Vergleich der Messwerte von Flüssigkeitsthermo-metern mit digitalen Sensoren

17.2 Comparison of readings from liquid thermometers with digital sensors

Probleme gibt es bei allen Stationen insofern, als fast überall in Europa und auch weltweit Ende der 1980er/Anfang der 1990er Jahre die Temperatur statt mit Quecksilberthermometer nun mit elektronischen Verfahren erfasst wird. Beim Wechsel vom Quecksilberthermometer zu „modernen“ Messmethoden werden viel raschere Änderungen der Temperatur als bisher erfasst. Dabei „pro¤tiert“ vor allem das Maximum, bei dem nun Spitzen im Minuten-, zum Teil im Sekunden-Takt erfasst werden. Dies ergibt Maxima, die oftmals 2 K höher als beim trägeren Quecksilberthermometer liegen. Möglicherweise ist ein kleiner Teil des seit 1990 erfolgten weltweiten Temperatur-anstiegs tatsächlich durch eine Änderung der Messmethoden vorgetäuscht – was noch zu untersuchen wäre!In Mitteleuropa werden die Klimatagesmittel nach der al-ten „Mannheimer“ Methode errechnet, wobei dasMaximum keine Rolle spielt. In vielen Teilen der Erde, z. B. in den USA und in den Tropen werden jedoch die Mittel durch errechnet. Auch die Wetterhütten haben je nach Güte des Farbanstrichs durchaus Ein uss auf die Strahlungseigenschaften und damit auf die Temperaturangaben. Zu dieser Problematik merkte Dr. Klaus Müller, Leiter der Gruppe „Stadtmessnetz“ des Instituts für Meteorologie, FU Berlin, an: „Nur ein Beispiel: Tagesmit-teltemperatur am 1.1.2009: Große Hütte (Wild): –3,3 °C; kleine Hütte (Wild): –3,0 °C; Aluminium-Hütte: –3,2 °C; natürlich belüftete KunststoÛütte: –3,0 °C; künstlich belüftete Kunst-stoÛütte: –2,8 °C. Gerade die alte Wetterhütte zeigt nach An-gaben des DWD unzuverlässige Lufttemperaturmessungen mit Fehlern bis zu 2,5 K. Dies ist einer der Gründe, diesen Hüttentyp im synoptischen Messnetz auszumustern. Für eine alte Klimareihe wäre dies eine Katastrophe, so dass auch bei uns (FU Berlin) der alte Wetterhüttentyp für die Messungen im Bo-tanischen Garten erhalten bleibt.“An der Bundeswehr-Station Lechfeld sind von 1998 bis 2006 Parallelmessungen mit elektrischen (Pt 100) und Quecksil-berthermometern durchgeführt worden (Hager, Neusäß bei Augsburg). Im Mittel dieser neun Jahre ergab sich für das Maximum eine um 0,93 K über und für das Minimum eine um 0,88 K unter den Quecksilbermessungen liegende Temperatur. Dies gilt verallgemeinert wahrscheinlich für ganz. B.yern. Für andere Gebiete können die Unterschiede durchaus größer sein, insbesondere in Regionen mit hoher Strahlung. Daher sind hierzu weitere Untersuchungen notwendig. An der privaten Station Horben bei Freiburg werden seit 1998 Quecksilber- und Elektronik-Thermometer genutzt. Letzteres zeigt nach Auskunft des Betreibers im Mittel 0,2 K höhere Maxima und ebenfalls 0,2 K niedrigere Minima an.[/size]

There are problems at all stations insofar as almost everywhere in Europe and also worldwide at the end of the 1980s / beginning of the 1990s the temperature is now recorded using electronic methods instead of a mercury thermometer. When switching from the mercury thermometer to "modern" measuring methods, changes in temperature are recorded much faster than before. Above all, the maximum "benefits" at which peaks are now recorded every minute, sometimes every second. This results in maxima that are often 2 K higher than with the more sluggish mercury thermometer. It is possible that a small part of the global temperature increase that has taken place since 1990 is actually simulated by a change in the measurement methods - which still needs to be investigated! In Central Europe, the daily climate averages are calculated using the old “Mannheim” method, whereby the maximum does not matter. In many parts of the world, e.g. B. in the USA and in the tropics, however, the means are calculated by. Depending on the quality of the paint, the weather huts also have an in uence on the radiation properties and thus on the temperature information. On this issue, Dr. Klaus Müller, head of the “Stadtmessnetz” group at the Institute for Meteorology, FU Berlin, to: “Just one example: Average daily temperature on January 1st, 2009: Large hut (Wild): –3.3 ° C; small hut (game): -3.0 ° C; Aluminum hut: -3.2 ° C; naturally ventilated plastic box: –3.0 ° C; artificially ventilated plastic box: –2.8 ° C. According to the DWD, the old weather hut in particular shows unreliable air temperature measurements with errors of up to 2.5 K. This is one of the reasons for decommissioning this type of hut in the synoptic measurement network. This would be a catastrophe for an old climate series, so that we (FU Berlin) will keep the old weather hut type for measurements in the Botanical Garden. ”From 1998 to 2006, parallel measurements with electrical (Pt 100 ) and mercury thermometers (Hager, Neusäß near Augsburg). In the mean of these nine years, the maximum temperature was 0.93 K above and the minimum 0.88 K below the mercury measurements. Generally speaking, this probably applies to the whole. B.yern. For other areas the differences can be greater, especially in regions with high radiation. Therefore further investigations are necessary. Mercury and electronic thermometers have been used at the private station in Horben near Freiburg since 1998. According to the operator, the latter shows an average of 0.2 K higher maxima and 0.2 K lower minima.

17.3 Vergleich der Strahlungsmessungen 17.3 Comparison of the radiation measurements

17.4 Vergleich von Niederschlagsmesswerten 17.4 Comparison of precipitation readings

Bodenversiegelung Ground sealing : 2° C in average Bioclimate or City/Town climate change
GHG independent we have up to 4° Kelvin meteorological temperaturchange to pre-industrial Reference-temperature

agricultural ground temperature change before/after tillage : 10° Kelvin

world population

https://www.kas.de/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=2826d468-3221-63b2-4b62-15adb1a3ef84&groupId=252038
https://www.oekosystem-erde.de/html/bevoelkerungszunahme.html

1880 : 1500 Mio. inhabitants
2020 : 7500 Mio. inhabitants

AlienGrey · « **Reply #93 on:** January 16, 2021, 08:34:30 AM »

Quote from: lancaIV on January 16, 2021, 02:23:03 AM

Now 2021 p.C.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globale_Erw%25C3%25A4rmung
a. 2016 was the warmest year since systematic measurements began in 1880. It was around 1.1 ° C warmer than in pre-industrial times.
b.
The IPCC writes in its fifth assessment report published in 2015 that it is extremely likely that humans caused more than 50% of the warming observed between 1951 and 2010.

50%
search machine : deutsche Wetterdienst
Meteorologische Bodenmesstechnik - DWD www.dwd.de › pdf_einzelbaende › leitfaden6_pdf

page 172
VERGLEICH KONVENTIONELLER MESSTECHNIK MIT MODERNEN SENSOREN

COMPARISON OF CONVENTIONAL MEASUREMENT TECHNOLOGY WITH MODERN SENSORS
page 173

17.2 Vergleich der Messwerte von Flüssigkeitsthermo-metern mit digitalen Sensoren

17.2 Comparison of readings from liquid thermometers with digital sensors

Probleme gibt es bei allen Stationen insofern, als fast überall in Europa und auch weltweit Ende der 1980er/Anfang der 1990er Jahre die Temperatur statt mit Quecksilberthermometer nun mit elektronischen Verfahren erfasst wird. Beim Wechsel vom Quecksilberthermometer zu „modernen“ Messmethoden werden viel raschere Änderungen der Temperatur als bisher erfasst. Dabei „pro¤tiert“ vor allem das Maximum, bei dem nun Spitzen im Minuten-, zum Teil im Sekunden-Takt erfasst werden. Dies ergibt Maxima, die oftmals 2 K höher als beim trägeren Quecksilberthermometer liegen. Möglicherweise ist ein kleiner Teil des seit 1990 erfolgten weltweiten Temperatur-anstiegs tatsächlich durch eine Änderung der Messmethoden vorgetäuscht – was noch zu untersuchen wäre!In Mitteleuropa werden die Klimatagesmittel nach der al-ten „Mannheimer“ Methode errechnet, wobei dasMaximum keine Rolle spielt. In vielen Teilen der Erde, z. B. in den USA und in den Tropen werden jedoch die Mittel durch errechnet. Auch die Wetterhütten haben je nach Güte des Farbanstrichs durchaus Ein uss auf die Strahlungseigenschaften und damit auf die Temperaturangaben. Zu dieser Problematik merkte Dr. Klaus Müller, Leiter der Gruppe „Stadtmessnetz“ des Instituts für Meteorologie, FU Berlin, an: „Nur ein Beispiel: Tagesmit-teltemperatur am 1.1.2009: Große Hütte (Wild): –3,3 °C; kleine Hütte (Wild): –3,0 °C; Aluminium-Hütte: –3,2 °C; natürlich belüftete KunststoÛütte: –3,0 °C; künstlich belüftete Kunst-stoÛütte: –2,8 °C. Gerade die alte Wetterhütte zeigt nach An-gaben des DWD unzuverlässige Lufttemperaturmessungen mit Fehlern bis zu 2,5 K. Dies ist einer der Gründe, diesen Hüttentyp im synoptischen Messnetz auszumustern. Für eine alte Klimareihe wäre dies eine Katastrophe, so dass auch bei uns (FU Berlin) der alte Wetterhüttentyp für die Messungen im Bo-tanischen Garten erhalten bleibt.“An der Bundeswehr-Station Lechfeld sind von 1998 bis 2006 Parallelmessungen mit elektrischen (Pt 100) und Quecksil-berthermometern durchgeführt worden (Hager, Neusäß bei Augsburg). Im Mittel dieser neun Jahre ergab sich für das Maximum eine um 0,93 K über und für das Minimum eine um 0,88 K unter den Quecksilbermessungen liegende Temperatur. Dies gilt verallgemeinert wahrscheinlich für ganz. B.yern. Für andere Gebiete können die Unterschiede durchaus größer sein, insbesondere in Regionen mit hoher Strahlung. Daher sind hierzu weitere Untersuchungen notwendig. An der privaten Station Horben bei Freiburg werden seit 1998 Quecksilber- und Elektronik-Thermometer genutzt. Letzteres zeigt nach Auskunft des Betreibers im Mittel 0,2 K höhere Maxima und ebenfalls 0,2 K niedrigere Minima an.[/size]

There are problems at all stations insofar as almost everywhere in Europe and also worldwide at the end of the 1980s / beginning of the 1990s the temperature is now recorded using electronic methods instead of a mercury thermometer. When switching from the mercury thermometer to "modern" measuring methods, changes in temperature are recorded much faster than before. Above all, the maximum "benefits" at which peaks are now recorded every minute, sometimes every second. This results in maxima that are often 2 K higher than with the more sluggish mercury thermometer. It is possible that a small part of the global temperature increase that has taken place since 1990 is actually simulated by a change in the measurement methods - which still needs to be investigated! In Central Europe, the daily climate averages are calculated using the old “Mannheim” method, whereby the maximum does not matter. In many parts of the world, e.g. B. in the USA and in the tropics, however, the means are calculated by. Depending on the quality of the paint, the weather huts also have an in uence on the radiation properties and thus on the temperature information. On this issue, Dr. Klaus Müller, head of the “Stadtmessnetz” group at the Institute for Meteorology, FU Berlin, to: “Just one example: Average daily temperature on January 1st, 2009: Large hut (Wild): –3.3 ° C; small hut (game): -3.0 ° C; Aluminum hut: -3.2 ° C; naturally ventilated plastic box: –3.0 ° C; artificially ventilated plastic box: –2.8 ° C. According to the DWD, the old weather hut in particular shows unreliable air temperature measurements with errors of up to 2.5 K. This is one of the reasons for decommissioning this type of hut in the synoptic measurement network. This would be a catastrophe for an old climate series, so that we (FU Berlin) will keep the old weather hut type for measurements in the Botanical Garden. ”From 1998 to 2006, parallel measurements with electrical (Pt 100 ) and mercury thermometers (Hager, Neusäß near Augsburg). In the mean of these nine years, the maximum temperature was 0.93 K above and the minimum 0.88 K below the mercury measurements. Generally speaking, this probably applies to the whole. B.yern. For other areas the differences can be greater, especially in regions with high radiation. Therefore further investigations are necessary. Mercury and electronic thermometers have been used at the private station in Horben near Freiburg since 1998. According to the operator, the latter shows an average of 0.2 K higher maxima and 0.2 K lower minima.

17.3 Vergleich der Strahlungsmessungen 17.3 Comparison of the radiation measurements

17.4 Vergleich von Niederschlagsmesswerten 17.4 Comparison of precipitation readings

Bodenversiegelung Ground sealing : 2° C in average Bioclimate or City/Town climate change
GHG independent we have up to 4° Kelvin meteorological temperaturchange to pre-industrial Reference-temperature

agricultural ground temperature change before/after tillage : 10° Kelvin

world population

https://www.kas.de/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=2826d468-3221-63b2-4b62-15adb1a3ef84&groupId=252038
https://www.oekosystem-erde.de/html/bevoelkerungszunahme.html

1880 : 1500 Mio. inhabitants
2020 : 7500 Mio. inhabitants

Are you sure your opening statment is true ?
and what happend to all the

AlienGrey · « **Reply #94 on:** January 16, 2021, 08:42:48 AM »

Quote from: lancaIV on January 16, 2021, 02:23:03 AM

Now 2021 p.C.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globale_Erw%25C3%25A4rmung
a. 2016 was the warmest year since systematic measurements began in 1880. It was around 1.1 ° C warmer than in pre-industrial times.
b.
The IPCC writes in its fifth assessment report published in 2015 that it is extremely likely that humans caused more than 50% of the warming observed between 1951 and 2010.

50%
search machine : deutsche Wetterdienst
Meteorologische Bodenmesstechnik - DWD www.dwd.de › pdf_einzelbaende › leitfaden6_pdf

page 172
VERGLEICH KONVENTIONELLER MESSTECHNIK MIT MODERNEN SENSOREN

COMPARISON OF CONVENTIONAL MEASUREMENT TECHNOLOGY WITH MODERN SENSORS
page 173

17.2 Vergleich der Messwerte von Flüssigkeitsthermo-metern mit digitalen Sensoren

17.2 Comparison of readings from liquid thermometers with digital sensors

Probleme gibt es bei allen Stationen insofern, als fast überall in Europa und auch weltweit Ende der 1980er/Anfang der 1990er Jahre die Temperatur statt mit Quecksilberthermometer nun mit elektronischen Verfahren erfasst wird. Beim Wechsel vom Quecksilberthermometer zu „modernen“ Messmethoden werden viel raschere Änderungen der Temperatur als bisher erfasst. Dabei „pro¤tiert“ vor allem das Maximum, bei dem nun Spitzen im Minuten-, zum Teil im Sekunden-Takt erfasst werden. Dies ergibt Maxima, die oftmals 2 K höher als beim trägeren Quecksilberthermometer liegen. Möglicherweise ist ein kleiner Teil des seit 1990 erfolgten weltweiten Temperatur-anstiegs tatsächlich durch eine Änderung der Messmethoden vorgetäuscht – was noch zu untersuchen wäre!In Mitteleuropa werden die Klimatagesmittel nach der al-ten „Mannheimer“ Methode errechnet, wobei dasMaximum keine Rolle spielt. In vielen Teilen der Erde, z. B. in den USA und in den Tropen werden jedoch die Mittel durch errechnet. Auch die Wetterhütten haben je nach Güte des Farbanstrichs durchaus Ein uss auf die Strahlungseigenschaften und damit auf die Temperaturangaben. Zu dieser Problematik merkte Dr. Klaus Müller, Leiter der Gruppe „Stadtmessnetz“ des Instituts für Meteorologie, FU Berlin, an: „Nur ein Beispiel: Tagesmit-teltemperatur am 1.1.2009: Große Hütte (Wild): –3,3 °C; kleine Hütte (Wild): –3,0 °C; Aluminium-Hütte: –3,2 °C; natürlich belüftete KunststoÛütte: –3,0 °C; künstlich belüftete Kunst-stoÛütte: –2,8 °C. Gerade die alte Wetterhütte zeigt nach An-gaben des DWD unzuverlässige Lufttemperaturmessungen mit Fehlern bis zu 2,5 K. Dies ist einer der Gründe, diesen Hüttentyp im synoptischen Messnetz auszumustern. Für eine alte Klimareihe wäre dies eine Katastrophe, so dass auch bei uns (FU Berlin) der alte Wetterhüttentyp für die Messungen im Bo-tanischen Garten erhalten bleibt.“An der Bundeswehr-Station Lechfeld sind von 1998 bis 2006 Parallelmessungen mit elektrischen (Pt 100) und Quecksil-berthermometern durchgeführt worden (Hager, Neusäß bei Augsburg). Im Mittel dieser neun Jahre ergab sich für das Maximum eine um 0,93 K über und für das Minimum eine um 0,88 K unter den Quecksilbermessungen liegende Temperatur. Dies gilt verallgemeinert wahrscheinlich für ganz. B.yern. Für andere Gebiete können die Unterschiede durchaus größer sein, insbesondere in Regionen mit hoher Strahlung. Daher sind hierzu weitere Untersuchungen notwendig. An der privaten Station Horben bei Freiburg werden seit 1998 Quecksilber- und Elektronik-Thermometer genutzt. Letzteres zeigt nach Auskunft des Betreibers im Mittel 0,2 K höhere Maxima und ebenfalls 0,2 K niedrigere Minima an.[/size]

There are problems at all stations insofar as almost everywhere in Europe and also worldwide at the end of the 1980s / beginning of the 1990s the temperature is now recorded using electronic methods instead of a mercury thermometer. When switching from the mercury thermometer to "modern" measuring methods, changes in temperature are recorded much faster than before. Above all, the maximum "benefits" at which peaks are now recorded every minute, sometimes every second. This results in maxima that are often 2 K higher than with the more sluggish mercury thermometer. It is possible that a small part of the global temperature increase that has taken place since 1990 is actually simulated by a change in the measurement methods - which still needs to be investigated! In Central Europe, the daily climate averages are calculated using the old “Mannheim” method, whereby the maximum does not matter. In many parts of the world, e.g. B. in the USA and in the tropics, however, the means are calculated by. Depending on the quality of the paint, the weather huts also have an in uence on the radiation properties and thus on the temperature information. On this issue, Dr. Klaus Müller, head of the “Stadtmessnetz” group at the Institute for Meteorology, FU Berlin, to: “Just one example: Average daily temperature on January 1st, 2009: Large hut (Wild): –3.3 ° C; small hut (game): -3.0 ° C; Aluminum hut: -3.2 ° C; naturally ventilated plastic box: –3.0 ° C; artificially ventilated plastic box: –2.8 ° C. According to the DWD, the old weather hut in particular shows unreliable air temperature measurements with errors of up to 2.5 K. This is one of the reasons for decommissioning this type of hut in the synoptic measurement network. This would be a catastrophe for an old climate series, so that we (FU Berlin) will keep the old weather hut type for measurements in the Botanical Garden. ”From 1998 to 2006, parallel measurements with electrical (Pt 100 ) and mercury thermometers (Hager, Neusäß near Augsburg). In the mean of these nine years, the maximum temperature was 0.93 K above and the minimum 0.88 K below the mercury measurements. Generally speaking, this probably applies to the whole. B.yern. For other areas the differences can be greater, especially in regions with high radiation. Therefore further investigations are necessary. Mercury and electronic thermometers have been used at the private station in Horben near Freiburg since 1998. According to the operator, the latter shows an average of 0.2 K higher maxima and 0.2 K lower minima.

17.3 Vergleich der Strahlungsmessungen 17.3 Comparison of the radiation measurements

17.4 Vergleich von Niederschlagsmesswerten 17.4 Comparison of precipitation readings

Bodenversiegelung Ground sealing : 2° C in average Bioclimate or City/Town climate change
GHG independent we have up to 4° Kelvin meteorological temperaturchange to pre-industrial Reference-temperature

agricultural ground temperature change before/after tillage : 10° Kelvin

world population

https://www.kas.de/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=2826d468-3221-63b2-4b62-15adb1a3ef84&groupId=252038
https://www.oekosystem-erde.de/html/bevoelkerungszunahme.html

1880 : 1500 Mio. inhabitants
2020 : 7500 Mio. inhabitants

Are you sure your opening statement is true ?
and what happened to all the 'page formatting' in your 'cut and past' in your quote i wouldn't mind betting you haven't bothered
to Analise it your self?

So what's the point of wasting space with unreadable unformulated crud ?
it's a wonder you haven't converted it to binary to wast more space or is that something your working on ?

Any way can you please 'cut your point to the post', what is your point in one or two short comprehensible sentences?

SIL

lancaIV · « **Reply #95 on:** January 16, 2021, 11:17:11 AM »

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globale_Erw%25C3%25A4rmung
2016 was the warmest year since systematic measurements began in 1880.
It was around 1.1 ° C warmer than in pre-industrial times.
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No,AG,it is NOT possible to short this "dwd"- statement to 2 sentences !The facts of uncertainity have to be clarified with this greater texte !
And more real and correct study/ies,as explained !

When we have in our calculations in sum up to 4°K misreadings related Kyoto Conference 80% GHG-reduction and Paris Conference 1,5-2°K temperature increase hold we have to reduce this analytical/measuring error !

The error is not energy art&kind consume related !
And these error statements are known since the 80' from the last century,the parlamentarians and eco-lobbyistsare manipulating the citizens for decades and demand eco-taxes and CO2-emission certification tax !

The green parties in parliaments,the FFF,Greenpeace,Robin Wood,the IPCC :
their actions soft suggestive-manipulative facts based ! Credibility !

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://scilogs.spektrum.de/klimalounge/verwirrspiel-um-die-absolute-globale-mitteltemperatur/

For example, 1961-1990 was 0.10 ° C warmer than 1951-1980.

from the dwd-pdf :
There are problems at all stations insofar as almost everywhere in Europe and also worldwide at the end of the 1980s / beginning of the 1990s the temperature is now recorded using electronic methods instead of a mercury thermometer. When switching from the mercury thermometer to "modern" measuring methods, changes in temperature are recorded much faster than before. Above all, the maximum "benefits" at which peaks are now recorded every minute, sometimes every second. This results in maxima that are often 2 K higher than with the more sluggish mercury thermometer.

REPEAT :
This results in maxima that are often 2 K higher than with the more sluggish mercury thermometer.
small part,maxima/medium ?

related " It was around 1.1 ° C warmer than in pre-industrial times. "

It is possible that a small part of the global temperature increase that has taken place since 1990 is actually simulated by a change in the measurement methods - which still needs to be investigated!

end 80/beginning 90 temperature measure technology station-by-station change and climate temperature :

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Global_Temperature_Anomaly.svg/langde-310px-Global_Temperature_Anomaly.svg.png

1990 - 2020 : 0,7 °K increase
land-ocean temperature
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/wissen/klima/energie-von-1-3-milliarden-kochenden-wasserkesseln-waermer-als-je-zuvor-meerwasser-erreicht-2020-neues-rekordhoch_id_12868896.html
Two independent data series that go back to 1955 served as the basis.

question : meteorological data measurement between 1955 and 1990,1990-2020 ?

We know that the global mean temperature in the period 1961-1990 was 14.0 ± 0.5 ° C (Jones et al 1999 ).
assuming all data measured by : mercury thermometer

the given spread arithmetical global mean temperature freedome 2020, 14.0 ± 0.5 ° C + 0.7° C :

14-0,5 = 13,5 + 0,7 = 14,2 14 + 0,5 + 0,7 = 15,2

less technical measurement errors
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So it is only known within an uncertainty range of around 1 ° C.

It was around 1.1 ° C warmer than in pre-industrial times.
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According to the Paris Agreement, global warming should be limited to well below 2 degrees compared to the pre-industrial temperature level - if possible even to 1.5 ° C (see my article on the German emissions budget ).

Error potential neutralized climate change modelling +sun cycle + planetary magnetospheric change !
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.scinexx.de/news/kosmos/ein-neuer-sonnenzyklus-hat-begonnen/
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.weltderphysik.de/gebiet/erde/erde/sonnenwind/
The earth, on the other hand, has very good protection against particles from space: it has a strong magnetic field and an atmosphere. The charged particles from the solar wind and cosmic rays are deflected by the magnetic field in such a way that they circle around the earth in a kind of storage ring, known as the Van Allen Belt. In doing so, they deform the earth's magnetic field - the stronger the solar wind, the stronger. These changes in the magnetic field can even be measured on the earth's surface.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.mdr.de/wissen/umwelt/umpolung-des-erdmagnetfeldes-dauert-jahrtausende-100.html

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://weather.com/de-DE/wissen/astronomie/news/2020-05-27-magnetfeld-der-erde-schwacht-sich-ab
Anomaly spreads and migrates The development should always be kept in mind. According to ESA, the Earth's magnetic field has lost an average of around 9 percent of its strength over the past two centuries, with the decline in the area of the South Atlantic anomaly being particularly strong: There, the minimum field strength has fallen from around 24,000 nanoteslas to 22,000 nanoteslas - Tesla since 1970 is the unit for the flux density of alternating magnetic fields.

But here the earth magnetic field as shield is important for climatic influence !

step-by-step changes !
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/solar-events-news/Does-the-Solar-Cycle-Affect-Earths-Climate.html
While the magnitude of those changes would likely be small – around a couple of tenths of degrees in the global mean, because solar irradiance changes slowly on decadal time scales – there is some evidence for solar-cycle related regional enhancements of the effects in the North Atlantic and surrounding regions.

In addition, phases of low solar activity can even influence the earth's climate: several times in history, times with a particularly calm sun led to a cooling of the climate with noticeably cold winters, as historical data suggests. However: The warming caused by anthropogenic climate change will not be able to stop even a low level of solar activity.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/226454722_Lunar_Influences_On_Climate
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-moon-really-does-impact-rainfall-on-earth-study-finds

1999 : https://www.nature.com/news/1999/990624/full/news990624-9.html
all possible sources of variation should be investigated before blaming human activity alone for observed changes in climatic parameters.

for a catalytic process often for iniciation very low forces are in need ! Lawine-/Domino-effect !

Global Warming and/or Global Cooling
The same planetary average temperature but continental / regional / local climate change !
And amplitude crescendo : super hot and super cold but only for short peaks !

Vivaldi : 4 seasons : in 1 month, 1 week ?

2004 Cristmas earthquake and Tsunami in the Pacific : more 4° sun-earth inclination change !
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.br-online.de/wissen-bildung/spacenight/sterngucker/erde/ekliptik.html

but https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasa-details-earthquake-effects-on-the-earth/

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11589-013-0023-2

They then tested the correlation between seismic activity and the effect of solar wind and cosmic rays on the ionosphere and found that the temporal distributions of the particle burst showed some correspondence with the occurrence and duration of earthquakes.
......

Their data analysis of global earthquakes larger than magnitude 7.8 as well as Wenchuan and Chilean aftershocks suggest that these occurred primarily during the 23rd and 24th solar cycle. Not only did their study validate the temporal relationship between earthquake occurrences and solar and lunar orbits, but it also applied the concept of the degree of aggregation. The study suggests that the location of the shocks tended to occur in the direction of the magnetic field generated by solar wind.

What and how does this affect during the earth the sun circumcycling elliptic ( not crise-round 360°) rotation !?
Now : more oceanic or landmass radiation absorvation ? 24/365

The ant-/artic poles and their ice to water masses ?El ninjo/ la ninja influence !
The magnetic poles movements !

Saltwater/water volumetric change ! Density ! Greater absorvation surface !

Climate change parametrics : humans independent but influencing

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://uebermedien.de/41860/die-homogenisierung-der-klima-berichterstattung-ist-ein-problem/

Sincere
OCWL

p.s.: actually phenomen,but known : https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/polarwirbel-kollaps-spanien-schnee-madrid-1.5172298

AlienGrey · « **Reply #96 on:** January 16, 2021, 02:43:08 PM »

Yes that's better i can read it now !

magpwr · « **Reply #97 on:** January 16, 2021, 05:41:41 PM »

Hi everyone,
It seems most of you are merely aware of global warming.

I need to inform you guys that we have even bigger problems in the near future.

The Earth currently have around 21% oxygen (O2) in air and we humans needs around 19% oxygen to breathe normally.

Sad to say that the ocean does produce most oxygen for the planet and this is depleting.
https://www.iucn.org/resources/issues-briefs/ocean-deoxygenation

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Long story short -As the human population increase so will the cattle,chicken and etc will emit higher Co2 into the air and this cause acidification in the ocean which also kills tiny plants in the ocean which generate breathable oxygen for us.

https://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/What+is+Ocean+Acidification%3F

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