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Offline magkor

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2008, 04:48:21 AM »
Hello,

facts about the global-warming-swindle :

http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4&p=4

You're joking right? 2003? You are quoting a work from 2003? And all it says is that the topic shouldn't YET be turned over to policy makers? This is the sad propaganda of the desperate. Show me ONE paper or study that shows the scientists are politicized. You should be ashamed. The only politicization is on your side. What's more, it's PROVEN, not propaganda. We know Exxon funded the nutjobs and it's proven the Bush White House silenced scientists and altered data.

Can you say the same about the REAL climate science? No, you can't.

Patterson: show me SCIENCE, not a tirade in a newspaper. His point that solar cycles have some effect is, of course, correct, but when he dismisses CO2 as a forcing, he's making himself look like an idiot. We can conclude his "science" isn't science because he makes statements that cannot be supported from the science. He has an agenda.

Here's propaganda for you, your lying swindle revealed:

http://members.greenpeace.org/blog/exxonsecrets/2008/07/21/swindled_by_the_swindle

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Ofcom ruled today on a complaint against the polemic documentary about global warming, The Great Global Warming Swindle.   

It upheld complaints by the former UK Chief Scientist, Sir David King, the IPCC and oceanographer Carl Wunsch, stating that the filmmakers had treated them unfairly, misquoted them or misled them into being interviewed.

Try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjGynF4qkE Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goDsc9IaSQ8 Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5gUd6y3zKU Part 4: look at about the 4:50 mark.

Etc.

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Look at the grafics, Al Gore prooves global cooling, the vertical scale is inverse, not all people are fooled
by this :
http://www.oekologismus.de/?p=791

I don't read German, but thanks.

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This Link here :
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport

Wow... this is just sad. Inhofe? Are you kidding me?

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Question : how can these 0.05 ‰ outperform the 99.9  % energy-input from the sun and therefore cause
gloabl warming ?

How can you even ask such a question? When a system is in balance, what does it take to put it out of balance? This is a foolish and silly argument you're repeating.

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You can only educate yourself, if you use common sense based on real scientific data.... and above all : do not believe politicians.

Please. Your whole argument is based on what GORE said. Have I mentioned Gore? Who gives a damn about Gore? Nobody. Read the science.

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There is almost no sientific consensous and therefore we have to rely on facts

That is quite simply a lie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#Statements_by_dissenting_organizations

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With the July 2007 release of the revised statement by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, no remaining scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate.[57]

All you have shown by repeating the lie that consensus dies not exist is that you don't understand what the term "consensus"  means in the scientific arena. Hint: it does not mean 100% agreement. (There are always liars, poor scientists, and even a few who really disagree.)
 
http://vagabondscholar.blogspot.com/2007/04/false-equivalencies.html

http://www.livescience.com/environment/070716_gw_notwrong.html

http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/bush-global-warming-47121017

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/5782#comment-form

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I hope we can finish this useless discussion. I do.

Don't respond. That will finish it. As your case has no merit in the scientific literature, that would be a good idea.

http://scholarsandrogues.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/anti-global-heating-claims-a-reasonably-thorough-debunking/

As natural observations make this an open-and-shut case, all the more so.

Cheers

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2008, 04:48:21 AM »

Offline drspark

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2008, 08:06:48 AM »
Hello People

First the real then the real crazy:

Less SunSpots = Less Earth Heat
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/30sep_blankyear.htm
=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_minimum

Tropical Tree Cuts = Carbon Nut$
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation
=
http://www.chicagoclimatex.com/

Cant BUY our way out of a NATURAL cycle, although it does sound nice
for the traders, not the suckers. Just like any media/market driven con-sept.
NO bailout for Mother Nature!

CO2 a fuel?????? (water shift react CO2 into methane - propane with plasma)
http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200417/000020041704A0600519.php
Science Links Japan | A Study on the Ionization of CO2 and Discharge Conditions in a Magnetically Supported Glow-discharge
OR
http://cc.pubco.net/www.valcent.net/i/misc/Vertigro/index.html AlgaeOil-BioMass
OR.... wind&$olar lol........

Add device to engine that uses waist calories to gasify kerosene(clean)
into light gasses and burn them... (again water shift reaction)

Dave

Offline magkor

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2008, 09:14:18 AM »
Hello People

First the real then the real crazy:

Less SunSpots = Less Earth Heat
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/30sep_blankyear.htm
=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_minimum

Tropical Tree Cuts = Carbon Nut$
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation
=
http://www.chicagoclimatex.com/

Cant BUY our way out of a NATURAL cycle, although it does sound nice
for the traders, not the suckers. Just like any media/market driven con-sept.
NO bailout for Mother Nature!

CO2 a fuel?????? (water shift react CO2 into methane - propane with plasma)
http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200417/000020041704A0600519.php
Science Links Japan | A Study on the Ionization of CO2 and Discharge Conditions in a Magnetically Supported Glow-discharge
OR
http://cc.pubco.net/www.valcent.net/i/misc/Vertigro/index.html AlgaeOil-BioMass
OR.... wind&$olar lol........

Add device to engine that uses waist calories to gasify kerosene(clean)
into light gasses and burn them... (again water shift reaction)

Dave

The world apparently has gone insane. No matter how much fact, how much science, how much observable reality I show you, all you can come back with is illogical, ridiculous jabber.

We are in deep trouble when people have lost the ability to think coherently.

And no wonder. Look at the education level:  "waist" calories?

Criminy...

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2008, 09:14:18 AM »
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Offline exnihiloest

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2008, 11:48:06 AM »
...
Every major point in Global Warming Swindle has been shown to be lies and distortions. Literally.
...

It's false.
Study the scientific papers from physicists (not these from climatologists who don't know much about thermodynamics).

CO2 increases AFTER warming :
http://fr.arxiv.org/abs/0707.1276
http://fr.arxiv.org/abs/0707.1161

"The inescapable conclusion is that human contribution is not significant and that
observed increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases make only a
negligible contribution to climate warming":
http://www.physorg.com/news116996704.html

About lies, see this concerning the alleged slow-down of Gulf Stream:
"the ocean current data, that uncertainty was huge - casting severe doubt on the reality of any change. Worse still, the NOC team had made a basic mistake in their sums, making their data seem more precise than they were."
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=2&subID=1510

Today, there is a global cooling :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-516969/Global-Cooling-Amazing...
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/04/rss-satellite-data-for-jan08-2n...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7574603.stm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-516969/Global-Cooling-Amazing...

There is also a "global warming" on Mars, will you accuse CO2 and the human kind ? :-)
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

The global warming by CO2 is now a question of faith, a new religion with the gurus of the IPCC and ecologist believers supporting them by ideology, not a scientific fact.

The main cause of climate variations is probably... the sun!
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Global-Warming-Partly-Sun-039-s-Fault-90458.shtml








Offline b0rg13

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2008, 01:28:03 PM »
maybe we could pay billions in tax , and it will go away :) .....WeEeEeEeeeeeeeee!!!!

...k whats the next major crises,well just tax that too :).

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2008, 01:28:03 PM »
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Offline magkor

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2008, 01:36:58 PM »
It's false.
Study the scientific papers from physicists (not these from climatologists who don't know much about thermodynamics).

Ridiculous! People who study climate systems - and don't many of them also study physics?Uh, YES! They do! - should not be listened to, but people who don't study climate should be listened to?

You start with a premise that is utterly ridiculous.

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CO2 increases AFTER warming :

REALLY? C'mon... say something worthy of the discussion. This is another piece of BS from someone who knows nothing of science. Everybody and anybody who knows even the slightest about climate science knows this. It's a non-issue - except for those with an agenda attempting to twist the discussion. Why pretend climate scientists don't understand Milankovic cycles?

What you are proving by posting such a ridiculously obvious point as if it wasn't already known to climate scientists is that you don't understand feedback systems.

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http://fr.arxiv.org/abs/0707.1276
http://fr.arxiv.org/abs/0707.1161

Willie Soon!!!! Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

And I said science. That is not science. It's a non-peer-reviewed article. I.e. it's toilet paper.

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Chief scientific researcher at the frontiers of Freedom's Center for Science and Public Policy which was set up after  $100,000 ExxonMobil grant in 2002.

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Published, with fellow sceptic Sallie Baliunas, an article in the Climate Research journal which reviewed the work of a number of climate scientists who concluded that the last century is the hottest in the last 1000 years.  The article, partly funded by the American Petroleum Institutecaused the resignation of three of the journal's editors, in protest at the peer review process.

Remember: politics + climate = Exxon = bull crap = Soon

The sick-and-twisted thing about Soon? He never does climate research. Never has. He does "literature reviews" in which he twists the results to be what Exxon/Heartland/Etc. want them to be. That 's why those scientists - real scientists - quit.

I said: SCIENCE, not BS. You are wasting my time.

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http://www.physorg.com/news116996704.html

404 error. Why am I not surprised?


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About lies, see this concerning the alleged slow-down of Gulf Stream:
"the ocean current data, that uncertainty was huge - casting severe doubt on the reality of any change. Worse still, the NOC team had made a basic mistake in their sums, making their data seem more precise than they were."
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=2&subID=1510

Again, give me science, not a poorly written article by an idiot who does not know the difference between propaganda and science. (He thinks "Global Warming Swindle" is science!) Further, all you have done here is show that scientists disagree. OH- MY - GOD! Please. Nothing in that article supports that Climate Change is not happening and is not partly driven by human action.

Or do you not understand logic?

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Today, there is a global cooling

No, there isn't. From YOUR link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7574603.stm

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Even so, 2008 is set to be about the 10th warmest year since 1850, and Met Office scientists say temperatures will rise again as La Nina conditions ease.

You don't know the difference between weather and climate? And you mis-use data? You should be ashamed.
 
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There is also a "global warming" on Mars, will you accuse CO2 and the human kind ? :-)

Don't throw childish logic at me. I will not be polite about throwing it back in your face. Even if accurate, do you think mars = earth?

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The global warming by CO2 is now a question of faith, a new religion with the gurus of the IPCC and ecologist believers supporting them by ideology, not a scientific fact.

Really? Because you say so? Proof? Has the massive global warming science - that started 100 years ago - been funded by Exxon and shut down by BuCheney? No. The denialist industry was funded by Exxon and supported by BuCheney. How can you blatantly lie and claim science is religion but that well known bought-and-paid for liars are real scientists?

You believe something because Exxon told you to. And YOU talk about faith-based thinking?

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The main cause of climate variations is probably... the sun!

See previous links in previous posts.


Offline Haliburton

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2008, 08:50:11 PM »
HEY MAGKOR|  >:( YOU NEVER EXPLAINED WHY MARS IS MELTING ALSO??????  HOW ARE THE SUV'S CAUSING THAT??????  GLOBAL WARMING IS A FRAUD AND THE SUN IS GETTING HOTTER!!!!!!!!! NOT ONLY THAT BUT HOW IS IT THAT WE HAVE SET RECORDS FOR BEING COLD IN THE LAST TEN YEARS IF ITS SUPPOSED TO GETTING HOTTER!!!!!!!!!!! AND PLEASE TELL ME WHY SCIENTIST HAVE DONE ICE CORE DRILLINGS AND HAVE FOUND THAT PLACES LIKE GREEN LAND HAD HOTTER TEMPS BACK HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO???????  LOOK SHIT HEAD YOU NEAD TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WILL GO THRU CYCLES!!! ALSO CO2 THAT IS OMITED IS WHAT PLANTS AND TREES BREATH!!!!! PEOPLE WITH GREEN HOUSES PUMP CO2 INTO THE AIR TO GROW PLANTS AT A HIGHER RATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND DONT GIVE ME THAT OHHHH THERE IS LESS TREES NOW THING BECAUSE THATS ALSO A LIEEEEEEE!!!!!  WE NOW HAVE MORE TREES ON EARTH THEN IN THE 1800S 

GET LOST YOU NEWBIE AND WATCH THE VIDEO >>>>>>  http://infospill.com/?q=node/473 <<<<<<<<<<< listen at 3:10 into the video he tells you how global warming debate is started by the new world order UN!!!

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
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Offline resonanceman

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2008, 10:13:59 PM »
AND DONT GIVE ME THAT OHHHH THERE IS LESS TREES NOW THING BECAUSE THATS ALSO A LIEEEEEEE!!!!!  WE NOW HAVE MORE TREES ON EARTH THEN IN THE 1800S 


Does anyone  here know  how to tell the  truth  without  twisting it ?

In the 1800s we still had lots of old growth trees ........that means BIG trees .......fully grown trees .

I  agree that there are more trees now than in the 1800s  because I have seen enough  land that has been logged .   The trees there  are very close together and  most  of them are only  a few inches or less in diameter.       We have almost no fully grown trees left  ..........but we have LOTS of very large weeds.    Some of these weeds   might  become  real  full grown trees if we leave them alone  a hundred years or so .


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Offline drspark

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #53 on: December 29, 2008, 05:17:40 AM »
The world apparently has gone insane. No matter how much fact, how much science, how much observable reality I show you, all you can come back with is illogical, ridiculous jabber.

We are in deep trouble when people have lost the ability to think coherently.

And no wonder. Look at the education level:  "waist" calories?

Criminy...

Dear Criminy aka Magkor,  :D

You have no clue about what calories are? or are you waisted?

Do us all a flavor and stop wasist-ingly our Oxygen with your lungks,  OK

Sincerely
DrSpark


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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
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Offline Haliburton

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2008, 06:44:21 AM »
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Does anyone  here know  how to tell the  truth  without  twisting it ?

In the 1800s we still had lots of old growth trees ........that means BIG trees .......fully grown trees .


What did i twist? all i said was that their is more trees!

have you ever heard of tree farm?  they are wonderful and many of them exist where trees where never before like grass lands! tree farms contain all types of wild life also.  big trees or little trees, the only difference is the tight wood rings

Offline magkor

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2008, 08:15:05 AM »
Halliburton: when you say something that is logical, I'll respond to it. Your screed was full of logical fallacies. To wit:

Oooh! There was a new cold record somewhere!

1. That's weather, not climate.

2. Climate CHANGE. Get it? CHANGE. It is anticipated to be highly chaotic. Yes, that's right, the science SAYS it will be chaotic. Being on this site, I would expect you to know something of chaotic systems. Apparently, you do not.

3. New cold records? FYI: New HEAT records outnumber new cold records 2:1. Should it not be balanced? No?

Now, if you've got nothing to say that is intelligent and logical, why post?

Waist? Chrissakes... it's WASTE.

Oh, and about the trees: there is a huge difference in the carbon sink created by an old growth ECOSYSTEM vs. a tree farm. The carbon released by not only cutting down the trees, but also killing the soil, etc., is huge.

Cheers

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2008, 08:15:05 AM »
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Offline drspark

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2008, 09:04:34 AM »
Yea!!!
Were gonna freeze or fry???
It will be a waistland.
Only monies and panic fear will fix.
retarded?

yelling fire on a crowded gullible planet
NOT
DrSpark
« Last Edit: December 29, 2008, 09:31:02 AM by drspark »

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2008, 09:33:05 AM »
You Support those that have figured out how to tax the air you breath

Offline Digjam

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #58 on: December 29, 2008, 09:58:06 AM »

?The panel predicted temperature rises of 2-11.5 degrees Fahrenheit by the year 2100?


By 2100 I won't be around, neither will my kids, and probably not my grandkids!
So it won't affect me ;D

But anytime government gets involved, they just screw it up worse anyway.
First we had to cut down on auto emissions, so we had catalytic converters mandated.
Now we have too much C02.
Then Some genius decided that we should burn food for fuel,Corn prices doubled
so farmers started planting more corn at the expense of other crops.. Food prices sky rocketed.
Not wanting to be left behind, other countries jumped on the ethanol bandwagon. Lots
of money to be made, they ran out of land, so now they are cutting down the rain forests to plant
corn or sugar cane. So now ethanol production ( or lack rain forests) produces MORE C02 than
All the cars in the world.
Oil Prices have dropped and food prices continue to soar.
I'd much rather eat than drive my car.

Global warming ? Maybe or maybe not. But one thing for sure, governments don't think before they
act, and most of the time they act they screw it up.

I agree we need new inexpensive ( free would be nice) energy sources. but don't take food out of my
mouth to run the cars or burns the lights.
And maybe I am a little greedy, but frankly I don't care how hot it gets in a 100 years if I'm going to
have to starve now.




Offline magkor

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2008, 12:23:48 PM »
By 2100 I won't be around, neither will my kids, and probably not my grandkids!
So it won't affect me ;D

I really hope that was just a joke.

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But anytime government gets involved...

I don't remember mentioning governments. Look at the relocalization and transition town movements as good examples of how this transfer must happen to be at all successful: grassroots. It's time for the people to re-assert their primacy.

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Global warming ? Maybe or maybe not.

 Wrong. Anthropogenically-forced Climate Change, period.

Remember: you ARE the government, so who is really responsible? Have you marched? Written letters? Anything?

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I agree we need new inexpensive ( free would be nice) energy sources. but don't take food out of my
mouth to run the cars or burns the lights.
And maybe I am a little greedy, but frankly I don't care how hot it gets in a 100 years if I'm going to
have to starve now.

I strongly encourage looking into passivhaus (retrofits if you already own), earthships, strawbale, cob, etc., styles of building. Renewable, sustainable. And, of course, some DIY energy generation.

Cheers

 

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