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Offline stevewal2

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2007, 03:01:17 PM »
Hi,
I'm just wondering if we can all agree on 2 things:

1. Unnecessary environmental damage is a bad thing ( whether it be pollution, over fishing or man made desertification etc) 

2. We really don't want a global police state and never ending exploitation and wars (whether it be in the name of terrorism, global warming or anything else).

Or am I asking too much here :)

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2007, 03:01:17 PM »

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2008, 10:12:35 PM »
Momentum is building. Somebody needs to speak up for sure before the power hungry nuts in the UN control our lives completely; and Al Gore needs his big lying mouth SHUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58024


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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2008, 11:31:36 PM »
Global warming...."a world problem requires world government".Thats the agenda and its all about nations surrending their soveriegnty.This will be driven home for all its worth and possibly a world tax on fossil fuels at production will be introduced......no matter what the consumer is going to pay.We need a cheap plentiful non polluting source of energy now........( a tax of $1 a barrel would reap @$25 billion a year ?)

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2008, 11:31:36 PM »
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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2008, 11:38:14 PM »
world oil production is 86 000 000 barrels a day....

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2008, 12:27:00 AM »
this is good
its turning us into a bunch of desperados
 fueling  us to be more determined
somethings got to give soon

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2008, 12:27:00 AM »
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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2008, 01:53:02 PM »
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83323

OOPPPSS!! Global Warming is finally being admitted as BS.

You think Al Gore will shut his lying mouth now? Don't bet on it! He and his buddies Bush and Obama and Biden need the Carbon Unit system so they can steal money from us and control us all.

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2008, 07:00:38 PM »
Not everyone agrees:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

Over 17000 scientists have signed the petition so far:

Do you know how many scientists there are in the world? Millions. Literally MILLIONS. Let them sign all the petitions they want, because your logic is ridiculous: Some tiny, tiny percent said it ain't real, so it must not be!

Further,  the issue of the green house effect is over a hundred years old. It's not some new, cooked up idea to take your freedom. Those concerned about it were the fringe, the weirdos until just two years ago, but somehow it's this great conspiracy? Talk about nutty!

Tell me, where is YOUR science? You cannot point to even one peer-reviewed article from a reputable publication. I know because I have presented this challenge to EVERY denialist. I've run across.

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It takes much more evidence to conclude the so called "fact" of global warming.

Really? Like what? Relativity: evidence? Almost zilch. Was just proven mathematically, but was completely accepted for nearly a hundred years.

Why do you hold AGW to a higher standard?

Do you even understand what science is? It is not the **proving** of anything most of the time. It is literally almost all theory **accepted** as fact.

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Just don't give away your freedoms so easily. Everybody who says they are your friend is not necessarily so.

What freedoms, pray tell, has any climate research and/or renewable technology taken from you? Answer: none. The ironic thing here is, the open giving their brain away to the highest bidder is you. It was bought by Exxon and BuCheney. Both are factually known to have sown extensive propaganda.

And they got **you.** You are the captive of lies.... even after the liars who fooled you have admitted the truth.

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Over the last week in the Midwest USA it has been in the teens and below zero (Degrees F.)

That statement is proof you don't know the difference between weather and climate.

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The easiest way to get people to give away their freedoms is with alarmist propaganda. Do you want the United Nations to control YOU! I know I sure don't.

I repeat: what freedoms have been taken? The only freedoms taken from you have been by multi-national corps and the Republican WH and Congress... denialists, all of them. Ain't that a fly in your ointment?

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We need much, much more long-term data than is available right now.

Few things in science have been proven as extensively as AGW. And if you think years and years of more study is a good idea, then you obviously don't realize the Earth temperature can change by up to 7 degrees in as little as 2 years. Ice core data proves this. Good luck with waiting when methane is pouring out of the Arctic.]

Do some reading.

For any doubt you have: 1. http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/2006/02/how-to-talk-to-global-warming-sceptic.html

2. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/index/#Responses

3. http://scholarsandrogues.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/anti-global-heating-claims-a-reasonably-thorough-debunking/

On how the arguments are nowhere near equal: http://vagabondscholar.blogspot.com/2007/04/false-equivalencies.html

It ain't the sun: http://www.livescience.com/environment/050811_global_warming.html

Now, look at all that evidence - not to mention your own eyes as the Arctic melts away, animals have to move their habitats, trees march into the Arctic, ice shelves break off, methane starts boiling out of the oceans and tundra... etc.

Oh, and by the way, global warming does not preclude weather patterns from existing. La Nina brings cooler temps for example, but the overall trend continues upwards. And, you could get a sudden cooling due to the thermohaline shutting down... and it would be because of warming decreasing the heat differential between the water from the Gulf Stream and that water in the North Atlantic... and it would be due to AGW.

Wake up. Time is short.

I repeat: where is your science against? Hint:  there isn't any. Anywhere.

Cheers

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2008, 07:00:38 PM »
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Offline magkor

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2008, 07:08:07 PM »
world oil production is 86 000 000 barrels a day....

Actually, it's about 73 mb/d. The rest comes from other forms of "liquid" fuels, including nat. gas, processing gains, tar sands, etc. Crude oil production has been flat for four years. IEA just reported in November we are in deep doo-doo. They are very late to the game: many of us have known this for a long time. Visit The Oil Drum if you want in-depth energy info. Best site for it on the web. (No, I'm not on staff there.)

The economic downturn is reducing some demand, but we have so far to go...

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2008, 07:14:49 PM »
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83323

OOPPPSS!! Global Warming is finally being admitted as BS.

You think Al Gore will shut his lying mouth now? Don't bet on it! He and his buddies Bush and Obama and Biden need the Carbon Unit system so they can steal money from us and control us all.

"Admitted?" I think you mean "claimed." Perhaps English is not your first language?

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The report also includes new peer-reviewed scientific studies and analyses refuting man-made warming fears and a climate developments that contradict the theory.

I wait with 'bated breath.

And, friend, quoting World Net Daily? C'mon....

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2008, 07:43:04 PM »
British High Court rules that there are 11 serious inaccuracies in Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth"

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58111 :o :o

I especially like #11, which is an outright LIE!!!

How inconvenient are these truths indeed!!

Don't expect him to change his lifestyle, but he sure wants you to change yours!

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1. The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government's expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.

FACT: it can't be proven to be. Either the court or the writer is are idiots.

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2. The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The court found that the film was misleading: Over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.

The judge is an idiot. You go to a glorified lawyer for your climate science? Neither he, the article writer, nor you seem to understand what a positive feedback is. FACT: Milankovich cycles seem to be the primary push out of ice ages, but that leads to the release of CO2, which then leads to more warming. Get it? Gore was right.

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3. The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that it was "not possible" to attribute one-off events to global warming.

Again, stupid. What can be stated in a court of law vs. what is scientifically accepted as true even though as yet not totally proven are very, very different. The court had no place commenting here. The movie was not made for a court. FACT: the increased intensities of storms IS considered to be due to AGW: warmer water, more energy. Hard to argue with that since it is a FACT that the heat in water is what drives storms to form and strengthen.

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4. The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that this was not the case.

Again, the court is applying the burden of fact where it doesn't belong. FACT: Lake Chad *is* drying up partly due to AGW. Provable as per a court case? No. Scientifically certain? Yes.

This is what happens when you use a hammer to swat a fly.

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5. The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr. Gore had misread the study: In fact four polar bears drowned, and this was because of a particularly violent storm.

Your post is really old, so I'll forgive this one. They are having to swim far offshore and ARE drowning.

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6. The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream, throwing Europe into an ice age: The Claimant's evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.

The claimant and the court are both idiots. This has, in fact, happened before. The little ice age and the Younger Dryas were both die to affects on the thermohaline. Massive runoff from melting ice in North America shifted the thermohaline causing the Younger Dryas.

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7. The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.

Then the government is stupid. See several above about the mis-application of law to science. Both are facts.

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8. The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt, causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.

No, it isn't. There is undeniable evidence of ice sheets melting in decades, let alone millenia. Do some checking on the Western European ice sheet and how fast it melted away.

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9. The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting; the evidence was that it is in fact increasing.

False. It has been increasing in the center, decreasing at the edges, with a net loss. Perhaps the judge should have waited a few years, because he looks like a complete fool now.

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10. The film suggests that sea levels could rise by seven meters, causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact, the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40 centimeters over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.

False. Sea level CAN change meters in mere decades. Again, that judge should have held his tongue. Also, Gore never said it would happen in 100 years.

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11. The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim.

False.

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As a result, inhabitants of low-lying Pacific island nations are among the most vulnerable to the effects of global warming.

A report released in July by Make Poverty History -- a coalition of more than 60 aid, community and faith-based organisations, including Friends of the Earth -- noted that two villages on Kiribati have already been abandoned due to climate change.

Additionally, some 2,000 people on Papua New Guinea’s isolated Carteret Islands -- which are disappearing beneath the waves -- are preparing to be evacuated to Bougainville, 86km to the southwest. They are regarded as some of the world’s first ‘climate change refugees’.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=43743

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2008, 08:26:06 PM »

Ain't that just like the politicians though?  Everyone has an agenda, spinning their wheels in the mud.....while the more immediate threats are treated like the emperor's clothes, the proverbial elephant in the living room.  Imagine for a moment if the earth magically stopped turning with the U.S. on the night side....for say....just a few days.  It doesn't take an Al Gore to invent an answer.....Our own sun has a much greater, by several giant orders of magnitude, impact on our climate in hours than man's pollutive efforts have caused over hundreds of years.  So, while global warming is constantly being debated, and used for various agenda.....the 'real' powers that be have been spraying the skies all over the world, partially in an effort to reduce solar radiation from reaching the planet's surface.


Those in the know, have recorded such increases and are acting according to their heart's desire.


http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2005/05/10/global-warming-something-new-under-the-sun/

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/03/030321075236.htm

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sun_output_030320.html


Not only did the Bible correctly predict such would take place (Rev 16:8), but also the earthly conditions at this time, and who would be ruling the earth!  We are told that in the final part of the days, man would take dominion over the air and go even into space. That a great 'beast' (meaning a powerful military/political machine) would even take power over the world, and to some degree, even the weather.  The 'beast' according to the Holy Scriptures would even seek to change times and seasons:

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB112258962467199210-H9je4Nilal4o52nbYCIbq6Em4.html

Ruling with this beast would be a nefarious group who call themselves Jews and are not, but are of the synagogue of satan.  Their mark, or symbol would be that of solomon.  His seal is the six pointed star, his number, 666.  Secret socieities revere solomon and use the six pointed star in their occultic practices as does their mother, the , babylon.  Their bible, the babylonian talmud is an eye opening read, let me tell you.  Yahweh promises to bring to ruin, those ruining the earth.

Rev 16:8 talks about God causing the sun to increase it's output toward the earth, and instead of repenting for their wickedness, the beast and it's followers curse His name all the more.....

There are many, many more spot on warnings contained in God's instruction manual for His children.


And the true threat to this planet is man's continued arrogance and harm toward his fellow man....and allowing himself to be mislead regarding his Creator.


For it simply will not be allowed to stand.


"I will bring to ruin, those ruining the earth" - Yahweh, The Ultimate Authority.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ,



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« Last Edit: December 11, 2008, 09:10:12 PM by TechStuf »

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2008, 08:26:06 PM »
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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2008, 10:37:03 AM »
So, while global warming is constantly being debated

No, it's not. Your Bible + Exxon = very, very misinformed.

Not only do you use info that does not support your agenda, it is five years old. Also, you use it dishonestly. This is from the end of the article you linked:

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This major finding may help climatologists to distinguish between solar and man-made influences on climate.

Translation: this article does not claim the sun is the cause of all global warming. It states that new data gives a clearer picture as to how much IS solar (why do you denialists act as if climate scientists claim there is no solar influence? Why lie?), which allows climate scientists to more accurately measure the AGW component. So ,why pretend the article claims it's all solar? And why use a six year old article?

Here's the most up-to-date science, for your cognitively dissonant pleasure:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081217075138.htm

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Supports other recent work

Joanna Haigh from Imperial College London has also studied possible links between solar variability and modern-day climate change.

“This is a careful piece of work by Jon Egill Kristjansson that appears to find no evidence for the reputed link between cosmic rays and clouds," she commented to BBC.

“It's supporting other recent work that also found no relationship," Haigh added.

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2008, 12:23:16 PM »
We?re cooked. Figuratively and literally,,,


?The panel predicted temperature rises of 2-11.5 degrees Fahrenheit by the year 2100?
...

Misinformation.
All the story here about the global warming swindle:
http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-4123082535546754758



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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2008, 02:28:25 PM »
Misinformation.
All the story here about the global warming swindle:
http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-4123082535546754758

My god. Why would you respond to my saying denialists rely on lies to make their case then post the most notorious set of lies ever made on the subject? Every major point in Global Warming Swindle has been shown to be lies and distortions. Literally.

Are you really not aware that at least two of the scientists in that "movie" almost sued the makers for editing the film in such a way to completely misrepresent what they said?

Why can you not think and investigate for yourself? Educate yourself:

http://fermiparadox.wordpress.com/2007/03/10/swindlers/

http://www.swindonclimate.org.uk/200703GGWS

http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_great_global_warming_swindle

http://www.csiro.au/resources/pfxg.html

It is one thing to question authority, but to offer real critique and true skepticism one must deal with the truth. Bringing lies (in all the various forms) into a discussion tells us but one thing: You have nothing to say worth listening to. One must, almost by definition, be a skeptic when associated with zero point energy research. It defies convention. But when your skepticism becomes an agenda, it is no longer a reliable guide to others. That is, while there is a great deal to mistrust from TPTB, and even other people, not everything is a conspiracy to defraud you of your life and liberty.

Consider: the people who started the research were doing their work a hundred years ago. This issue is not new, and it wasn't created by Al Gore.

If you do nothing else, read this (ALL of it):  http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html

Wake up. Time is short.

Cheers

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2008, 05:50:45 PM »
Hello,

facts about the global-warming-swindle :

http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4&p=4


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In a 2003 poll conducted by German environmental researchers Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch, two-thirds of more than 530 climate scientists from 27 countries surveyed did not believe that "the current state of scientific knowledge is developed well enough to allow for a reasonable assessment of the effects of greenhouse gases." About half of those polled stated that the science of climate change was not sufficiently settled to pass the issue over to policymakers at all.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/august2008/260808Climate.htm

Look at the grafics, Al Gore prooves global cooling, the vertical scale is inverse, not all people are fooled
by this :
http://www.oekologismus.de/?p=791

This Link here :
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport

was found here:

http://www.rightsidenews.com/200808211777/energy-and-environment/global-cooling-global-warming-has-ended-scientists-agree.html

If you want to read something about the energy-balance-sheet of the earth :


http://www.physiker.com/klima.htm

got to "Es ist die Sonne und nicht der Mensch" ( It´s the sun and not man ) then move to :

"2) Groessenordnungen" ( range of energy-relations )

and look for the diagramm "Leistungsaufnahme der Erde" ( power received by earth )

Input frome the sun :                                                 179 000 TW  ( Terawatt )
Variation-Limit :                                                           +-1 000 TW
Reflected back to space  :                                          54 000 TW
Nuclear-generated thermic-Energy within earth :       100 TW
Fossile-Energy procued by mankind                        10 TW  !!!!!!!!!!! which equals 0.05 ‰ ( 1/1000 ) of  total Solar input ?

Question : how can these 0.05 ‰ outperform the 99.9  % energy-input from the sun and therefore cause
gloabl warming ?

You can only educate yourself, if you use common sense based on real scientific data.... and
above all : do not believe politicians.

There is almost no sientific consensous and therefore we have to rely on facts ( presented above at this german physisc-website ).

I hope we can finish this useless discussion. I do.

Regards

Kator01





                                                   






 

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