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Offline ResinRat2

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2007, 05:55:05 PM »
OK, I'm putting my plug in it right now before this turns into a sarcastic shouting match. You are free to your opinion, and if you want to try to control others then that is your calling. I respect your rights as well. Just be careful who you surrender your rights to. That/those person(s) may not be so forgiving once the reins of power are in his/her hands.

You may not respect what I have to say, but so far I can express it. Now I am going back to my research. Call me whatever you want; any further discussion one way or the other won't sway anyone's opinion anyway.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2007, 02:45:58 PM by ResinRat2 »

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2007, 07:15:43 PM »
Well lets see:-
Does the solar output affect the earths climate? ---  yes.
Do greenhouse gases affect the earths climate? ---  yes.
Which is having the greatest affect?               ------we don't know for sure.

Which one can we do something about?          ------ I'll leave that one to you.
 

You are making two assumptions that are not well thought out.

The first assumption is that the earth has an ecological balance.  Things change and are not in balance and have not been since creation.

You are assuming that stopping the production of greenhouse gases will reverse the climate trend.  Absolutely false.

The permafrost is melting and will emit more CO2 than mankind could even think of producing.

To reverse global warming will take a number of proactive steps.

1. Sequester carbon and carbondioxide.
    A.  Injection and burial of carbon and CO2.
    B.  Encourage the production of limestone by sea organisms
    C.  Encourage photosynthesis by oceanic plankton

  Plankton off of California have decreased 80% since 1940. Sea birds and fish are starving to death.  The sea recycles the majority of CO2.  Without restoring the plankton, reduction of greenhouse gas emissions is futile.  It may slow things very slightly, but will not have much impact.


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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2007, 07:33:45 PM »
Ok, I was being sarcastic, no offense.
I've got no intentions to controll anyone.  ;D.  I just keep hearing this same line of reasoning, that there are people out there trying to use global warming to try to alarm poeple, and in some way take away their civil liberties. It just kind of gets under my skin when I have spent so much time over the years trying to expanding an awarness of the beauty and value of the natural enviroment, and how we are far worse off in every way by destroying it.

I think the lumping together of environmental problems under the heading of global warming is fine with me. Yes we don't know how much of the waming is man made, and we don't know if global warming is the largest global environmental threat. But in my view it's a great place to start making changes. After all cutting down on greenhouse gasses can help to resolve many environmental problems at once (smog, acid rain, ocean acidification, to name a few). So if environmental issues have been packaged to make them consumer friendly, maybe that's the best way of  getting them across to the masses.

Cheers,
Steve.

« Last Edit: February 09, 2007, 08:45:46 PM by stevewal2 »

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2007, 08:40:10 PM »
Hi Gearhead,
No I'm not making either of those asumptions, I just did'nt want to start getting into too many details.

The world is in a constant flux. Ecolgical balance does occur to a degree before environmental change happens, and a new balance eventually forms, only to be desturbed again.

Cutting down on greenhouse gasses will not immediately reverse the affects of global warming, it will not even slow it down for 30 or 40 years due to the buffering affect of the oceans.

The melting of permafrost will produce co2, but more impotantly methane (which is a far more powerfull greenhouse gas) thus exacerbating the problem.

The decline in phytoplankton is a problem. 20% world decline since 1990. As far as I am aware this is at least partially caused my stratospheric ozone depletion which increases the amout of shortwave radiation, hamfull to the plankton. So we need to look at whats still causing ozone depletion, ie cfc's (yes they're still being used) and aircraft exhausts. Iron seeding of the oceans is another option, to sucessfully stimulate plankton growth,  but must be used with care, as the full impications to widespread seeding are not known.

I agree that we need to encourage oceanic invertabrate growth. Co2 sequestriation is fine for the time being, but is only part of the solution.

We still need to cut pollution.


 

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2007, 10:02:03 PM »
Study just released:

Global warming a bunch of hooey!!!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57253

Guess we won't be sunbathing in the Arctic anytime soon.

Environmental extremists (Al Gore, for example, who certainly won't sacrifice his excessive lifestyle but wants you to sacrifice yours) would probably say the writers of this report are just a bunch of greedy, evil, ignoramus, non-scientists trying to fool us all.

Too bad these guys, unlike Gore, are REAL scientists.

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2007, 05:58:56 AM »
Study just released:

Global warming a bunch of hooey!!!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57253

Guess we won't be sunbathing in the Arctic anytime soon.

Environmental extremists (Al Gore, for example, who certainly won't sacrifice his excessive lifestyle but wants you to sacrifice yours) would probably say the writers of this report are just a bunch of greedy, evil, ignoramus, non-scientists trying to fool us all.

Too bad these guys, unlike Gore, are REAL scientists.


It would take another 10,000 years before we could effect the world in such a manner that it would go into an ice age or warm to the point that we definitely could observe. the planet has natural cycles it warms it cools. I would say sun flares would be the culprit not us. 

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2007, 03:05:00 AM »

 The problem is...  What tall tale do you want to believe today?

 Scientist are often paid off, or shut up.   Spoof science is often
created.   There are scientist that are simply wrong or missing
data... OR their data has been tampered with without their
knowledge.

 We know there is drastic changes.  Thats plain and simple.

 The true cause of them is unknown.

 Pollution, is nasty.  Its bad for us to breath in.  Bad for our
environment as it soaks into our soil, water, food chain,
animal and insect life.   End of story, it should be abolished.

 However, alternative energy will not be allowed, because the
huge losses of money that fund the NWO would be lost.
Therefore, loss of power and absolute control.

 They will cook us and live underground before they fail.


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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2007, 04:43:47 PM »
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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2007, 06:14:05 PM »
the problem is not related to pollution, its what the gov want you to believe.

the planet niburu was found in 1983, they told us, then denied right after, why? the planet orbit on our solar system on each 3600 years, unfortunitly in 2012 the planet will pass between earth and mars and will prob finish up this world, the planet is visible from the eye in day light from the south pole, we should be able to see it in middle of may 2009, so little time to do something, and all the gov know about it since 1983!

you will see in the next 1-2 years thing will go worse and its not related to pollution. They dont told the truth because that will stop the peoples to work and stuffs they don t want to lose the control over us.

check this video you will like it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_7ctX-E4ew

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2007, 11:37:37 PM »
Either through prion?s, viruses, war, disrespect for the planet,
life destroying meteorites, global temperature changes or greed and hate.
Time IS running out (for us).
we have so many problems.
We really do need to find a zero point energy source.
Not a cure, but it would make a drastic difference
to who we are.

It is interesting to note that,
?the world without us? would make no difference to
The universe AT ALL. It really is up to us to save ourselves.

http://www.powells.com/biblio/62-9780312347291-0

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2007, 11:07:52 PM »
Ya, there?s nooo problem with earth heating

?Experts say they are "stunned" by the loss of ice, with an area almost twice as big as the UK disappearing in the last week alone. ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/sep/04/climatechange

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2007, 06:26:06 PM »
British High Court rules that there are 11 serious inaccuracies in Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth"

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58111 :o :o

I especially like #11, which is an outright LIE!!!

How inconvenient are these truths indeed!!

Don't expect him to change his lifestyle, but he sure wants you to change yours!

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Re: Global Warming, unstoppable
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2007, 10:40:55 AM »
After watching Al Gores video i found myself questioning what i knew....so off to the net i went and found alote of info that proved this video wrong....scientific info that is.Apart from this Greenland {vinland} was so named because they grew grapes there.............But in saying this i still think that we do not appreciate ,we abuse, our natural environment...acid rain, use of depleted uranium,overfishing the seas,cutting down whole forests especially rainforest,.....mans greed and wastefulness is appalling.We need free energy to reduce our pollution....and to supply other needs in different ways.

 

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