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Offline tinman

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Pulse Motors- Your building them wrong.
« on: August 30, 2023, 06:55:41 PM »
So before i get this thread up and running, are there actually any builders still on this forum ?

Is there anyone that would like to build a pulse motor like no other ?-the way a pulse motor should be built, meaning-very unconventional.

My claim--
I will show you how to build the test bed, which will become the motor it self.
I will show you how to !at the very least! double the torque of your pulse motor, without using any more power to do so.

I will also provide all the up to date stl files for those with 3D printers. ( 3D printer not needed if you don't have one)

No claims will be made here by me.
You build the motor, and you disclose the outcome.

This motor is open source, but the design remains mine.

What i will say about this !pulse motor!, is that it will use less power than any other pulse motor out there, for a given amount of torque.
You could say that this motor is !very! efficient.

Let me know if you are interested in building this !pulse! motor, and we will get the ball rolling.

Brad

Offline Dave Wing

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Re: Pulse Motors- Your building them wrong.
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2023, 07:21:29 PM »
Yes I am a builder. I am interested in any progress or path forward and onward.

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Re: Pulse Motors- Your building them wrong.
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2023, 07:22:35 PM »
You have any vids of your current machine you speak of?

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Re: Pulse Motors- Your building them wrong.
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2023, 07:27:07 PM »
I too am interested in constructing an extraordinarily efficient pulse motor using your specs, Tinman

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Re: Pulse Motors- Your building them wrong.
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2023, 07:59:15 PM »
So before i get this thread up and running, are there actually any builders still on this forum ?

Is there anyone that would like to build a pulse motor like no other ?-the way a pulse motor should be built, meaning-very unconventional.

My claim--
I will show you how to build the test bed, which will become the motor it self.
I will show you how to !at the very least! double the torque of your pulse motor, without using any more power to do so.

I will also provide all the up to date stl files for those with 3D printers. ( 3D printer not needed if you don't have one)

No claims will be made here by me.
You build the motor, and you disclose the outcome.

This motor is open source, but the design remains mine.

What i will say about this !pulse motor!, is that it will use less power than any other pulse motor out there, for a given amount of torque.
You could say that this motor is !very! efficient.

Let me know if you are interested in building this !pulse! motor, and we will get the ball rolling.

Brad

I may jump on it as well if you can hint how much I need to spend as I have some other projects running.  :)

Offline ramset

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Re: Pulse Motors- Your building them wrong.
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2023, 08:22:07 PM »
Brad
Will touch base with qualified persons ( known persons not anonymous) who have
Shared their pulse motor builds and skills over the years !


With gratitude
Chet
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BTW
I think you might still have a moderated ( by you ?)
Section here ?
If not ?
Can ask Stefan to set that up ?
Or whatever you’re comfortable with?

Edit
Even dropped a note to Tinsel..
« Last Edit: August 30, 2023, 10:36:22 PM by ramset »

Offline tinman

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Re: Pulse Motors- Your building them wrong.
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2023, 03:24:11 AM »
I may jump on it as well if you can hint how much I need to spend as I have some other projects running.  :)

The cost will be about nothing, as most parts can be sort from junk.
Example, one of the best flywheels can be had from an old exercise bike that uses the eddy current load system.
You simply cut the outer aluminum ring off it, and it already has the bearings in it.

Offline tinman

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Re: Pulse Motors- Your building them wrong.
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2023, 04:01:55 AM »
Ok, well for those interested, we will start with the test bed.
This test bed is not a waste of time, and nor is the testing, as it will show you how to maximize the efficiency of your motor, so it is a must.
If you think you can just bypass this part of the build, and blindly throw a motor together, then you will never succeed.
And remember, this test bed will actually become your motor, so you have to make it anyway.

The test bed will actually help you in many ways, like what size torque plates to use that give the best results to the coil and magnets you are using. It will also show you the huge difference in torque between the standard pulse motor setup, and my design.

What is so different in my design, is that both the coil and PM are stationary--they don't move at all.
In the video's below, you will see i refer to !wasted torque! quite often, and the videos will explain that.
Once you watch the two below videos, you will see why my design delivers a lot more torque for a given amount of input power, to that of a standard pulse motor.

You will never achieve the desired outcome building the same designs everyone else is using.
To get a different outcome, you have to build a different machine.

So in the first video, we graph out the delivered torque from a standard pulse motor setup over 15* of rotation, at 1* intervals, using a given input power to the coil.
In the second video, we carry out the very same test, but using my design. The very same amount of power is applied to the coil, and the same 15* rotation is used. Please note that in the second test, i was using the original torque plates, and the results using the newer torque plates that were tuned for this motor, is even far better again. That is the importance of the test rig.

The results in these videos are not rigged in any way, and when you get your test rig setup, and carry out the very same tests, you will see the results for your self. Same coil, same magnet, same amount of power, but 2+ times the rotational torque. When tuned correctly, you can easily achieve 3x the rotational torque for the same power input.

A comment made on my second video--> (So I tested attraction force on a plate coming between two permanent magnets.  First with N and S facing each other then N and N facing each other. For some reason the force was Much stronger with the N to N facing each other. I thought I had a got grasp of magnet relationships but I havent figured out why this is happens, yet. By replacing one permanent mag with a coil, it seems he is getting the benefit of the stronger attraction force as the plate comes towards  N to N mags and then getting less force to pull the metal plate back, when it is leaving, because the pulse coil/mag is off !)

Please watch both video's, so as you know what is going on.
The first is of a normal type pulse motor.
The second video is of the design you will be building.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQfMEJT7G1g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6KIub44uIs

Enjoy

Offline nightlife

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Re: Pulse Motors- Your building them wrong.
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2023, 04:02:16 AM »
you want to double the torque, that's simple. Use both poles. Everyone only uses one of the poles when it is a fact that both poles have equal magnetic strength. You can't have a north without a south and both are equal strengths. I have been saying this for years but yet no one has utilized it. One guy tried a few years back but built his wrong. I think it was Johnny something. He put his coil between two wheels lined with magnets which doubled the resistance.you must utilize one wheel to get best results.

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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2023, 04:11:07 AM »
 It's weird that even the Tesla motors and all others don't utilize both poles. Everyone is only using 50% of the potential. 

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Re: Pulse Motors- Your building them wrong.
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2023, 04:19:33 AM »
you want to double the torque, that's simple. Use both poles. Everyone only uses one of the poles when it is a fact that both poles have equal magnetic strength. You can't have a north without a south and both are equal strengths. I have been saying this for years but yet no one has utilized it. One guy tried a few years back but built his wrong. I think it was Johnny something. He put his coil between two wheels lined with magnets which doubled the resistance.you must utilize one wheel to get best results.

I did this years ago, and the results were no different.
By using both poles of the coil, you also double the force needed to pull the magnets away from the coil.
There are no gains this way.

And yes, i use only one single pole in my design.

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Re: Pulse Motors- Your building them wrong.
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2023, 04:27:12 AM »
you want to double the torque, that's simple. Use both poles. Everyone only uses one of the poles when it is a fact that both poles have equal magnetic strength. You can't have a north without a south and both are equal strengths. I have been saying this for years but yet no one has utilized it. One guy tried a few years back but built his wrong. I think it was Johnny something. He put his coil between two wheels lined with magnets which doubled the resistance.you must utilize one wheel to get best results.

Just so as you know, here is the video from 11 years ago.
Yes, more output torque, but a shitload of more input power required as well.
The overall result was worse than the single sided pulse motor design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Ttkol7YoA

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Re: Pulse Motors- Your building them wrong.
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2023, 04:28:02 AM »
i'm in

Offline nightlife

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Re: Pulse Motors- Your building them wrong.
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2023, 05:29:09 AM »
 Thanks for that video link. I have searched for years for someone that has done this. Not quite the same as I had in mind but results are close to what I expected. I see it has doubled the torque but it does not show that input power required has doubled using both poles opposed to one. To me, it's looks much more efficient using both rather then just one.
 Another thing I noticed is that he is not switching the poles of the coil when the different poles of the magnets pass which would cause a resistance requiring more power. Over time, the core would become a magnet depending on what material is used as a core.
 My idea was either a horseshoe style or 2 rims both lined with magnets rotating around a coil placed between the rotating rims. Other ideas included different shapes of magnets.
 Regardless, that video proves most of what I stated to be true and I am betting that a better design would prove everything else I have said is true.
 I can't afford the time it takes to build anything right now. I seriously don't have the time. I keep hoping that someone else would do it so I can quit thinking about it.
 It just doesn't make sense to not use both poles of magnets or both poles of a electro magnet field.

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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2023, 05:47:18 AM »
Measure the pull and energy used with one pole side Then measure the same with both poles used. I bet both pulls will be equal or close to it and energy used would not double and would be close to equal if not equal.
 Both poles of a magnetic field are always equal. One can never be stronger or weaker then the other.