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Solid States Devices => solid state devices => Topic started by: patch6 on August 16, 2023, 08:21:56 AM
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Someone developed device sized overunity, like an always on smartphone kind of overunity.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.homemade-circuits.com/8x-overunity-circuit-using-joule-thief/amp/
Guy is advanced in years, someone just has to champion it out.
Just isn't mainstream because of shibboleths.
PDF of page is attached.
I'll post instructions when I'm on PC.
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This is an old project, run by our member, Physicsprofessor (or Physicsprof at OUR). He hasn't posted for a long time.
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Joulethief was all the hype on forums a while ago.
Has anyone been able to form an understandable verdict on it? Can it get me more than 1 kWh from my 1 kWh mobile battery, proven by useful work? An EV goes 7 km on 1 kWh, how much will that be with a joulethief circuit?
I suspect there is no significant gain to be had, but I'd LOVE to be wrong on that one.
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Joulethief was all the hype on forums a while ago.
Has anyone been able to form an understandable verdict on it? Can it get me more than 1 kWh from my 1 kWh mobile battery, proven by useful work? An EV goes 7 km on 1 kWh, how much will that be with a joulethief circuit?
I suspect there is no significant gain to be had, but I'd LOVE to be wrong on that one.
Science is step by step re-/search and development !
' .....An EV .....' EV as experimental object ,Shell ECO-Marathon,AUDI R&D,....!
81 Wh/100 Km consume for 1-manned ( in this case : female passenger) electric vehicle by average 25 Km per hour velocity .
≤ 1 Wh per Kilometer ! Public World-Record !
Means : a continuous working 25 W generator output gives continuous drive,long range !
Tesla Inc. model World-Record drive,average 25 Km per hour,2 passengers ( father and son) :
6000 Wh/ 100 Km
Too fat to survive,overpackaged e-saloons !
Smartphone sized OU devices :-* 81 Whp eVs !?
Btw: city max.velocity,24 hours continuous,human force :
2018
https://www.media.stellantis.com/de-de/opel/press/nici-walde-die-rekordjagerin (https://www.media.stellantis.com/de-de/opel/press/nici-walde-die-rekordjagerin)
2022
https://hpv.org/neue-weltrekorde-durch-nici-walde/ (https://hpv.org/neue-weltrekorde-durch-nici-walde/)
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I believe there was topic here for this claim ?
Also I am fairly certain there was an issue with 8x claims,
Unfortunately equipment can not be relied on for ultimate proof ,
Autonomous running with gain ( should be a runaway )
Batteries and equipment not required…
The holy grail…
Quite certain Dr.Jones ( I believe his handle here now is “Dr.Jones”)
Still hunts for the elusive FE anomaly or gain mechanism.
As does most of the scientific world.
No stone left unturned!
Respectfully
Chet K
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I believe there was topic here for this claim ?
Also I am fairly certain there was an issue with 8x claims,
Unfortunately equipment can not be relied on for ultimate proof ,
Autonomous running with gain ( should be a runaway )
Batteries and equipment not required…
The holy grail…
Quite certain Dr.Jones ( I believe his handle here now is “Dr.Jones”)
Still hunts for the elusive FE anomaly or gain mechanism.
As does most of the scientific world.
No stone left unturned!
Respectfully
Chet K
It's said that Nikola Tesla supplied energy to large exhibitions (there was no grid at all) via his long distance towers for wireless transmission, all the way from Niagara Falls where I guess there were hydro generators.
If we could just reverse engineer and manage to broadly implement wireless power, we'd be killing off the vast battery industry and have money to spare, for instance to get Congo children meals and educuation rather than mining jobs.
No OU needed to make a huge impact. No extra energy produced even, perhaps less actually, skipping the battery production and transport. Because in the case of vehicles, the do move a lot of tonmiles of batteries.
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Or we may learn how to use batteries correctly :D
275 days and nights an LED was lit up by 6 AA batteries https://youtu.be/wEesPlaSzWI
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Years ago
Member pirate (Bill) lit 400 LED’s with a dead triple a battery?
Not sure how long it went?( I believe it was in joule thief topic here )
Unfortunately
LED’s can be poor load reference
To be clear, not diminishing your you tuber
Link again https://youtu.be/wEesPlaSzWI (https://youtu.be/wEesPlaSzWI)[/font][/size]
I understand he has other experiments which could use some discussion?
Respectfully
Chet K
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A Russian named Valery Matalin (https://disk.yandex.ru/d/gxxhB279k4llnQ) had used this [joule thief] principle in his industrial floodlights, but this could hardly be called overunity...
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Years ago
Member pirate (Bill) lit 400 LED’s with a dead triple a battery?
Not sure how long it went?( I believe it was in joule thief topic here )
Unfortunately
LED’s can be poor load reference
To be clear, not diminishing your you tuber
Link again https://youtu.be/wEesPlaSzWI (https://youtu.be/wEesPlaSzWI)[/font][/size]
I understand he has other experiments which could use some discussion?
Respectfully
Chet K
I’m not sure that I got your point.
Initial post claim 9 hours continuous use of an LED with an electronic circuit and 1 AA battery.
In the video from YT someone else has kept an LED lit up for 275 DAYS with just 6 batteries AA connected 3 series with 3 parallel (claiming it is a Tesla Switch that configuration)
I’m saying again 275 days continued usage of an LED 3.2 V 20 mA which is basically lit up with just 3 batteries AA, while the other 3 batteries charge first set in use and he just swap them regularly.
This concept charge/discharge under load needs some investigation being batteries or capacitors … and we may find out that we don’t need huge power banks off the grid or we can just cut half of it.
Indeed that man, have loads more to share free and is able to provide instructions for whatever he is teaching/ showing to public, including .FE. and .ou! And they are quite basic (embryonic stage) compared with what 7 red orbs shared earlier . He is showing diy devices with instructions at moron level.
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Sorry for interrupting your thoughts
Please explain more ?
(Please no “moron” stuff here ..)
Leads to completely unnecessary conflicts which can derail topics ( often)
Respectfully
Chet K
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Sorry for interrupting your thoughts
Please explain more ?
(Please no “moron” stuff here ..)
Leads to completely unnecessary conflicts which can derail topics ( often)
Respectfully
Chet K
Use of batteries in series+parallel gives some .ou.
Just try to lit up an led with batteries as usual and see how long it will last. Than, double amount of batteries and connect them in series-parallel in the way described in the video and swap series with parallel at regular time interval.
In this way you will extend in an incredible way the time led will stay on. So one is charging the other that is connected to load, by swapping them at regular time interval they will recover a huge amount of what is spent. Just have a look at his other videos where you can see schematic for connections.
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I’m not sure that I got your point.
Initial post claim 9 hours continuous use of an LED with an electronic circuit and 1 AA battery.
In the video from YT someone else has kept an LED lit up for 275 DAYS with just 6 batteries AA connected 3 series with 3 parallel (claiming it is a Tesla Switch that configuration)
I’m saying again 275 days continued usage of an LED 3.2 V 20 mA which is basically lit up with just 3 batteries AA, while the other 3 batteries charge first set in use and he just swap them regularly.
This concept charge/discharge under load needs some investigation being batteries or capacitors … and we may find out that we don’t need huge power banks off the grid or we can just cut half of it.
Indeed that man, have loads more to share free and is able to provide instructions for whatever he is teaching/ showing to public, including .FE. and .ou! And they are quite basic (embryonic stage) compared with what 7 red orbs shared earlier . He is showing diy devices with instructions at moron level.
Batteries are tricky. Are the batteries still chemically the same after, or perhaps used up in some way? I'd rather see a more inert system such as capacitors used.
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Batteries are tricky. Are the batteries still chemically the same after, or perhaps used up in some way? I'd rather see a more inert system such as capacitors used.
You may want to ask him on his yt video, or you can experiment yourself.
But, right now I would be more interested to find out if batteries connected in series-parallel can do the same job as joule thief + 1 battery as in original post for same amount of time … it might be something really great to find.
It looks like Bedini ssg but without bemf to recover … could it be an unknown effect of an LED ? Or maybe we can replace the led with low wattage incandescent bulb and see the same behaviour of batteries connected series-parallel ? Could it be an effect that joule thief circuit mimic of what is happening with batteries ?
Could be some extra energy added by this configuration from an unknown source ?
I guess something is happening in that circuit as those batteries should be dead after 1-3 days.
Can this system of usage of batteries be used for electric vehicles that run on batteries ? Like extending their range for 1 charge ? Can we use joule thief instead if it is able to mimic the effect ?
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Bill AKA pirate ( he had some numbers after his pirate
Will look up for links ( he was one of first “member moderators”here
I believe In original Kapanadze topic too ?
Worked with Jenna here on other things (earth batteries “stublefield etc etc
Anyhow
Bill’s use of dead AAA while lighting 400 LED’s
On his Christmas tree,
Was I believe attributed to battery weirdness from jule thief pulsing
Also I think DogOne recently mentioned his experiences with pulsing batteries
ALA Bedini ?( swapping or cycling out batteries in his solar arrays
And yes there were energies available
However it was reflected in damage to battery bank .( something chemically happening inside)
Will have to search for actual quote for certainty
DogOnes comment was fairly recent.
Regardless
It would be good if additional life could be had from batteries
Or if as adrouk suggests it is some other ….?
Myself
Heavily leaning towards battery chemistry adding ….
Will try to reach Dr.Jones for his opinions on this
Seems we spoke few years back about his 8x claim
And he did not redact or totally write off as failed.
Felt something odd was in play ?
Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
Also as Cloxxi mentioned
Capacitor experiments?
Honestly I believe this was also tried years back ( to rule out battery chemistry contributions
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.homemade-circuits.com/8x-overunity-circuit-using-joule-thief/amp/
Although we are discussing just a fraction of milliwatts here, it's a good start and enough to prove the a substantial 8x overunity.
Rationality and economics should ever be part from R&D !
Arie de Geus other for ( battery,photon- voltaic device )DC/AC inversion important publication :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=10&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20071005&CC=NL&NR=1031494C1&KC=C1#
To read : original document ,in finest ' netherlandic longue ' ;) ,Plattdu(e)tch ! Or PDF-translator !
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It might be the real reason behind the law prepared in EU to ban lead acid batteries, as no other type of batteries in mass production can display this effect for real gain power. I can see almost everywhere the latest tech is pushed only for micro watt production while trying to cut/disrupt anything that might lead individuals to get something usable in their daily life to get rid of the enslaving power grids.
So, special way to connect batteries to load and electronic circuit + battery might create the same effect ? Just imagine the benefit for transport if this can be found
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Although we are discussing just a fraction of milliwatts here, it's a good start and enough to prove the a substantial 8x overunity.
If you can tell me how is possible to run an led of 3 volts 20 mA for 275 days continuous from just 3 AA rechargeable batteries (actually 6) wouldn’t be a huge challenge to scale up to desired load, is it ? Just think that you might not need a power bank for your solar system to be designed with tens of expensive batteries to back up your power needs for 2-3 days.
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It might be the real reason behind the law prepared in EU to ban lead acid batteries, as no other type of batteries in mass production can display this effect for real gain power. I can see almost everywhere the latest tech is pushed only for micro watt production while trying to cut/disrupt anything that might lead individuals to get something usable in their daily life to get rid of the enslaving power grids.
So, special way to connect batteries to load and electronic circuit + battery might create the same effect ? Just imagine the benefit for transport if this can be found
Similar this conceptual idea ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190328&CC=DE&NR=112017003611A5&KC=A5# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190328&CC=DE&NR=112017003611A5&KC=A5#)
With C.O.P. ≥ 3 and You install Your heat pump with a rotoverter drive + above battery circuit ,Your e-mobile with a rotoverter drive + ....,Your e-plane typo Cri-Cri with a rotoverter drive + .....,Your cruise missile with ....
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If you can tell me how is possible to run an led of 3 volts 20 mA for 275 days continuous from just 3 AA rechargeable batteries (actually 6) wouldn’t be a huge challenge to scale up to desired load, is it ? Just think that you might not need a power bank for your solar system to be designed with tens of expensive batteries to back up your power needs for 2-3 days.
fractional milliWatts x 1000 = fractional Watts x 1000 = fractional KiloWatts
1 000 000 x or 10⁶ upscaling !? Size ?
1 KW NanoBOXX size ?
https://techconnectworld.com/World2017/a.php?i=1125 (https://techconnectworld.com/World2017/a.php?i=1125)
' back up your power needs for 2-3 days.' ? , not ! ,they : (Joseph) Birmingham Technology claims ≥ 10 years ,3652,5 days +
Btw : lead battery alternative ,iron2rust2iron cycle
https://newatlas.com/energy/form-energy-iron-air-battery-bezos/ (https://newatlas.com/energy/form-energy-iron-air-battery-bezos/)
A base source for cascading systems !?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931111&CC=DE&NR=4222678A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931111&CC=DE&NR=4222678A1&KC=A1#)
Approved and granted ,C1 and C2 !
Is here the ' electrical unit' not as same a this ' microorganism battery ' above to see ? ! :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=13&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=13&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1#)
About size and consume/generation :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XAPcN3jRuEg ~ 9V x 0,01 A
The liquid stimulating ? Brownian motion enhancer !
https://nanobox.ie/ (https://nanobox.ie/)
Or :
https://paxscientific.com/water-techThe (https://paxscientific.com/water-techThe) PAX Water Mixer can circulate 10 million gallons with the same energy footprint as three 100-watt light bulbs
Btw: the poste ' rechargeable' as roto-verter ' rechargeable circuit' concept,anno 1940,but how do we CONVENTIONAL connect 2023 + and - pole,and how Mr.Debuyst ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=&CC=BE&NR=438189A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=&CC=BE&NR=438189A&KC=A#)
. I must also draw your attention to the way the accumulator is connected.
This is connected from the positive of the dynamos to the positive of the accumulator and from the to the motor and the same connection for the negative, as it is marked on the drawing, it is not a question of confusing, because if have but the positive from the dynamos to the negative of the accumulator, and the negative of the dynamos to the positive of the accumulator, the voltage would be doubled and the motor would be burned.
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I feel that there is too much radiant energy in that room that could be be harnessed to give the results found. Scale it up to show that it creates more energy then what can be floating around in that room and then I may take another look at it. To me, it's just another type of jule thief.
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I feel that there is too much radiant energy in that room that could be be harnessed to give the results found. Scale it up to show that it creates more energy then what can be floating around in that room and then I may take another look at it. To me, it's just another type of jule thief.
Fair comment. If there are milliwatts out of nowhere, at least make the effort to scale to a substantial degree, if anything to prove that there is a decent yield per kg of materials, which is probably the best mass production proxy for cost of course excluding rare earth materials.
Even a perfectly scalable tech can be true OU and still utterly useless, if the power density isn't there. Say, it takes a metric ton of coppers wound in very intricate ways from 10 miles of thin gauge wire, to put out 10W continuous. Where to haul that 1 ton to, to get 10W, for what purpose?