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Water Car technologies overview
« on: June 01, 2023, 04:25:49 AM »
From first and second chapter from Suppressed & Incredible Inventions by John Freeman (published by Al Fry) about water and similar superefficient engines.

Water Into Gas. One of the most controversial figures of his kind was Guido F. Franch. In the '70's he created a sensation when he began demonstrating his water-to-gas miracle. Chemists at Havoline Chemical of Michigan and the University were among the first to test his fuel. According to both. it actually worked better than gasoline. According to Franch, his secret lay in using a small quantity of 'conversion powder' which was processed from coal. He stated that he processes coal in a series of barrels containing liquid. Supposedly as the 'processed' coal sank to the bottom, a greenish substance rose to the top. It IS this residue that was dried into the mysterious 'conversion' powder. Franch said he learned the formula from a coal miner, Alexander Kraft, over 50 years before. While it cost Franch over a dollar a gallon to make his fuel in small quantities, he claimed that it could be produced for a few cents a gallon if mass produced. A number of private groups tried to deal WIth Franch for his formula. According to some, the inventor was just too difficult to deal with. and there was just too much gamble involved for the concrete facts they got. Franch continued to put on his demonstrations for years and claimed the auto manufacturers, Government, and private companies just weren't interested in his revolutionary fuel.(7)
Burn Water. Back in the 1930's a number of the early tractors squeezed great economy from a number of simple adaptations. Some simply used a heated manifold to further atomize the gas; others used cheaper fuels. The Rumley Oil Pupp tractor had a carburetor with three chambers and floats in it. One was used for gas, one for kerosene, and the third was for water. After owners started the tractor on gas, they simply switched over to a cheaper mixture of kerosene and water. With the advent of ultra-sonic devices there were a number of researchers in the early '70's who successfully mixed up to 30% water in gasoline-and used it to run their automobiles. Some disgruntled motorists just 'spudded' into their carburetors-ran a hose to a container of water and let their engines suck in an extra water ration. Experts claimed this could damage valves if cold water hit them, but few seemed to have trouble.
Gas and Water Mix. In the mid-'70's a Dr_ Alfred R. Globus of United International Research presented his Hydro-fuel mixture concepts at a meeting of petroleum refiners in Houston, Texas. According to reports, this fuel was a mixture of 45% gasoline, 50% or more of water, and small percentages of crude alcohol and United's 'Hydrelate.' This latter chemical was a bonding agent which kept the fuel's ingredients mixed. Even though it was estimated that a hundred million gallons of gas a day could be saved through the use of this product. no one seemed to be interested. (9)
Water & Alcohol Motor. Paris engineer ran his private cars on a mixture of denatured alcohol and water according to the French magazine Le Point. The 49 year old inventor-mechanical engineer Jean Chambrin maintained that his motor design could be mass produced for only a fraction of the cost of present engines. As publicity surrounded his achievements the inventor took even greater precautions for security .(10)
The Lacco Gas Additives Formula. 80% Water, 15% Gas, 5% Alcohol, 2% Lacco.(12) According to an article in the 1-20-74 San Bernardino, Calif., "Sun Telegram" a man named Mark J. Meierbachtol of !that city patented a carburetor which got significantly greater mileage than was usual. At this time the patent (#3,4.32,281 March 11, '69) is being held by attorney T.F. Peterson for the inventor's widow, OIa.(13)
Ultrasonlc Fuel Systems. With the advent of the fuel crisis of 1973 there were a number of experimentors who found solutions involving the use of ultrasonic fuel systems. Much of this work involved using sonic transducers to 'vibrate' existing fuels down to much smaller particles. This procedure simply increased the surface area of the fuel and made it work more efficiently. Using a magneto-strictive or piezolectric vibrator, conical or cylindrical cones were used at from 20 to 40 thousand vibrations per second. An increase in fuel mileage of at least 20% was expected of these units. Eric Cottell was one of the first persons to proclaim the fact that water could be mixed with gas and used as fuel with these units. His customers had been using· his commercial units to emulsify foods. paints. and cosmetics for some time. When the word suddenly got out that the super fine S-onized water would mix perfectly with up to 70% oil or gas, there was congratulations from many sides (June 17, '74. Newsweek, etc.). Later there was nothing but silence again. Later in 1975 Cottel was interviewed again and explained that Detroit was so miopic that they would probably turn down even the wheel if it were a newly offered invention. Because installations of his reactors was so simple, Cottel ran several of his own cars on a water-gas mixture. He explained that an ultra-sonic unit caused internal stresses so great in gasoline that the molecules can actually absorb water to become a new type of fuel.(15)
Super Mileage from Fuel Vaporization. L.MilIs Beam developed a simple heat exchange carburetor back in 1920. In principle it was nothing more than a method of using the hot exhaust gases of an engine to vaporize the liquid gas being burned. Using simple logic Beam reasoned that raw gas going through a normal carburetor simply could not be atomized with high efficiency. As a result there was a waste of fuel when microscopic droplets burned instead of exploded. This, of course, created unn~essary heat and inefficiency. Since he was easily able to double and triple the gas mileage of the cars he tested, it was not long before Beame was offered a settlement and percentage fee for the rights to his device. Accepting the offer, he never again saw any attempt to market his device or the parties who gained control of his device. In his "Suppressed Inventions" Mike Brown spoke with Mr. Beame and found that the shadowy trail seemed to lead to a major oil company-but. of course, little could be proved. Brown tells of a later device which used the same principle. John W. Gulley of Gratz, Kentucky, could supposedly get 115 mpg out of his big 8 cylinder Buick, using his vaporizing arrangement.(16) Typically, this device was assured of obscurity when Detroit interests bought it in 1950. (See diagram and Brown's book) In the early '70's there was a device made by Shell Research of London that was a bit more sophisticated in design. Vaporizing the gas at around 40 degrees Centigrade a certain amount was allowed to go around the vaporizer to reduce pressure losses. The "Vapipe' unit was supposedly not marketed because it did not meet Federal emission standards.(17) Another advocate of vaporizing gasoline is Clayton J. Queries of Lucerne Valley. California. According to a Sun-Telegram of 1-2-74. Queries claimed that he could easily develop an engine which could run all day on a gallon of gas. This inventor claims that all he needs to produce such a carburetor is money from an honest backer.(18) This same inventor said that he took a 10,000 mile trip across the country in his 1949 Buick for $10 worth of carbide. Building a simple carbide generator, which worked on the order of a miner's lamp, he said that a half pound of acetylene pressure was sufficient to keep his car running. Because acetylene was dangerous, he put a safety valve on his generator and ran the outlet gas through water to insure there would be no 'blow back.'
The Alexander Fuelless Car System. Robert Alexander and a partner spent only 45 days and around S500 to put together a car that confounded experts. A small 7/8ths 12 v-motor provided the initial power. Once going, a hydraulic and air system took over and actually recharged the small electric energy drain. The Montebello, Ca. inventors were at last reports, very determined that the auto industry would not bury their "super power" system. What happened ?(19). One inventor in the '20's used an electric car which ran off of high frequency electricity which he generated at a distance. Using principles similar to Tesla's ideas, he simply broadcast the re-radiated atmospheric energy from a unit on his house roof.(20) Henry Ford, acting for himself and the other Detroit oil "powers," quickly bought and quietly shelved this invention. (BSRAJ M-J '73) John W. Keely used harmonic magnetic energies from the planet to run his mysterious motor. Later, Harold Adams of Lake Isabella, California, worked out a motor thought to be similar to Keely's. In the late '40's it was demonstrated for many persons, including Naval scientists. After a round of II dead ends," it, too, vanished into the pages of the past.(21)
Water to Hydrogen Fuel The process of converting water to hydrogen has long been known, and the standard electrolysis method was developed back at the turn of the Century. The only trouble has been that it takes a great deal of electrical current to convert the water over. With a 40% efficiency at best, a lot of persons were hoping for the advent of cheap fuel cells which would convert the hydrogen and oxygen to electricity at a much higher efficiency. The standard procedure for the electrolytic extraction included using platinum electrodes in an acidic water solution-with at least 1.7 volts of D.C. current. What gives many hope are reports of early experimenters who overcame the conversion problems. W.C. Hefferlin wrote of using a superior conversion method back in 1921. According to the reports, he worked out a method which used a high frequency current passing through steam. Being associated with some unusual projects (See UFO section) made him suspect to a degree ... but there are some who feel he put his discovery to good use despite the continued rejections he faced. Hydrogen is probably one of the most ideal and easily adaptable forms of fuel that we could ask for at the present. Because it returns to water after it burns in the presence of oxygen, it is also pollution-free, and a joy to work with. Regardless of adverse criticism, it has been proven to be less expensive and dangerous than ordinary gasoline when used in automobiles.(22) An experiment was mentioned in the "Alternate Sources of Energy Journal" in which a couple of readers ran a car for a short period of time on chemically made hydrogen. Tossing some zinc in a bottle of water and acid (any strong acid), they captured the hydrogen given off in a balloon and manually fed it to their auto later .(23) Actually, feeding hydrogen to a standard auto engine can be a little involved, depending on one's source. I recall a group of California experimenters who fed their old Model A Ford on straight 'tank gases' with not much more than some gas pipe plumbing. Later they developed a more sophisticated (oxyburetor) and allowed their motor suction to feed the correct hydrogen-oxygen mixture. To start the engine on these gases, they allowed the hydrogen to be sucked in first. Later they were in need of a variable Venturi carburetor to aid this procedure.(24) It is interesting to note that Deuterium. or 'Heavy Hydrogen,' is what powers the 'H' Bomb. A pound of this fuel at less than a hundred donars (recent estimates) will produce the power of S75,000 worth of fossil fuels. The proposed methods of producing cheap deuterium now have already become details of the suppressed past. A classic case of the 'water to auto engine' system was that worked out by Edward Estevel in Spain during the late '60's. This system was highly heralded, then sank among other such 'high hope' hydrogen systems. Foul play? Who knows!
Hydrogen Generator. Sam Leach of l.A. developed a revolutionary hydrogen extraction process during the mid-'70·s. This unit was said to easilv extract free hydrogen from water and yet be small enough for use in automobiles. In 1976 two independent labs in L.A. tested this generator with perfect results. Mr. M.J. Mirkin who began the Budget car rental system purchased rights for this device and hoped to develop it - against the usual ridicule of a number of scientists. Leach who was very concerned about his security was said to be greatly relieved by Mirkins aid.(25)
Hydrogen Auto Conversions. Rodger Billings of Provo, Utah, headed a group of inventors who worked out efficient methods of converting ordinary automobiles to run on Hydrogen. Rather than rely on heavy cumbersome Hydrogen tanks. his corporation used metal alloys, called Hydrides, to store vast amounts of Hydrogen. When hot exhaust gases passed through these Hydride containers, it released the Hydrogen for use in the standard engines. Billings estimated that the price might run around S500 for the conversions; gas consumption would be greatly reduced. Because ofthe nature of this conversion, there even seemed to be favorable interest from various auto and petroleum interests in the mid-'70's.(26) P.S. In Florence, Italy, an inventor used a special tube to divide water into Hydrogen and Oxygen-without the usual electricity and chemical requirements (unconfirmed '75 report).
Burning Alcohol. Around 1910 there were a number of automobiles burning alcohol, and for some years it was common to find data on burning it in the popular automobile manuals of the day. A number of carburetors were designed to use alcohol or alcohol and gas. In these earlier days, alcohol was almost as cheap as the various benzines-or what we now refer to as gasoline. One of the drawbacks to burning alcohol during this early period was the fact that the engines didn't have enough compression to bum the fuel at high efficiency. Today's automobiles, then, are almost perfectly adapted tlO using not only the alcohol-gas mixtures but pUll'e alcohol. . Over the years, racing car drivers used cheap methanol, or non beverage wcohol, in many racing cats, and only the availability of reasonably priced gasoline kept the practice from becoming more popular. In the gas crunch of 1973 only a few (old timers) remembered alcohol as a fuel. Reluctant. as the oil companies were to recognize the fact, it remained that alcohol could be made cheaply and used without major problems. M.l.T. testing at Santa Clara, California. retraced the steps of conversions wori,ed out 60 years earlier. First it was found that the cf.lrburetors needed to be heated to properly volatize the methanol. This was done by utilizing the exhaust heat or by running hot. water to a jacketed carburetor. Next, because methanol conducts electricity. it can set up an electrolytic action which attracts many modern plastics and metal alloys. Gas tanks. for instance, would often fill with tiny metal particles which required large gasoline line: filters to eliminate a plugged up carburetor. Other idiosyncracies included trouble with cars tuned to conform to pollution control standards, and difficulty in starting without a heated carburetor. In the early days a dual carburetor bowl allowed starting on gasoline. but M.lI.T. introduced a fog of propane from a small tank and valve, operated manually. In the case of a methanol-gasoline mixture, it was found that only cold weather hampered excellent mixing and performance. - A breakthrough at the Army's Nalick Laboratories in Massachusetts led many persons to believe that a cheap 'methanol from waste :'lystem' was assured. In the early '70's they discovered and developed certain fungi which could convert a wide variety of cellulose into the sugars necessary for producing alcohol. Researchers felt that a t01l1 of paper scrap, for instance, could produce over 65 gallons of high grade alcohol. (2 7)
THE ELECTROMATIC AUTO. Anv mention that an electric car could be made which could regenerate its own power as it was driven was a joke to most 'experts,' Yet, in 1976, this author actually saw such a car function. Using various standard automobile parts and an electric golf cart motor, Wayne Henthron's first model functioned perfectly. Once this remarkable auto reached a speed of 20 MPH, it regenerated all of its own electricity. In normal stop and go driving, it gave several hundred miles of service between recharges. The secret to the system lay in the way that the inventor wired the batteries to act as capacitors once the car was moving. Four standard auto alternators acted to keep the batteries recharged. With little official interest shown this remarkable system, the inventor became involved with other persons of equally far-sighted aims and resolved to make the car available to the public. (World Federation of Science and Engineering, 16632 Cemputer Lane, Huntington Beach, CA 92649).
GAS FROM, WATER. Portugese chemist, John Andrews, gave a demonstration to Navy officials that proved his additive could reduce fuel costs down to 2c per gallon. It allowed ordinary gasoline to be mixed with water without reducing its combustion potentials. When Navy officials finally went to negotiate for the formula, they found the inventor missing and his lab ransacked. (Saga 5-'74)
Russell Bourke was probably one of the true geniuses in the field of internal combustion engines. Upon noting the incredible waste of motion in the standard auto engine, he set about designing his own engine in 1918. In 1932 he connected two pistons to a refined "Scotch yoke" crankshaft and came up with a design using only two moving parts. For over thirty years this engine was found to be superior in most respects to any competitive engine, yet it was rejected by all of the powers that be. This amazing engine not only burned any cheap carbon-based fuel, but it delivered great mileage and performance. Article after article acclaimed his engine and its test performance results, yet nothing ever came of his many projects except frustration and blockage. Just before Bourke's passing, he assembled material for a book, and "The Bourke Engine Documentary" is a most revealing work on engine design and on the Bourke engine in particular.(28)
The LaForce Engine. Edward La Force struggled for years in Vermont to get backing to perfect his amazing engine. Ignored for years by the automotive industry, Edward and Robert, his brother, survived on the contributions of several thousand individuals who believed in them. His engine design manages to use even the harder to turn heavy gasoline molecules. Current engines are said til) waste these, and, since they make up to 25% of the current fuels, the use of the heavy molecules was It great step forward. According to a 'Los Angeles Examiner' article (Dec. 29, 1974), the cams, timing, and so on were altered on stock Detroit engines. These modifications not only eliminated most of the pollution from the motor, but, by completely burning all of the fuel the mileage was usually doubled. One Eltaminer reporter saw a standard American Motors car' get a 57% increase in mileage at the Richmond, Vermont, research center. With such publicity, the E.P.A. was forced to examine the situation, and, of course, they found that the motor designs were not good enough. Few persons believed the E.P.A., including a number of Senators. A Congressional hearing on the matter in March, '75, still brought nothing to Iight--except silence. The LaForces were interviewed by newspapers and auto manufacturers across the world, even though they only modified the basic Detroit designs. Detroit was not interested. Anyone need 80% more mileage?(29) In his "Suppressed Inventions" author Brown tells of John Gulley of Gratz, Kellltucky, who turned down a G.M. offer of 35 million when they wouldn't guarantee to market his amazing magnetic engine. Gulley built his first model from old washing machine parts, and the patent is still available from the patent office file.(3Q)
FUELLESS 15c per hour PAPP ENGINE. One of the most astonishing engine designs of the '60's was the PAPP engine which could run on 15c an hour on a secret combination of expandable gases. Instead of burning a fuel, this engine used electricity to expand the gas in hermetically sealed cylinders. Far from being complex, the first prototype used a ninety horsepower Volvo automobile engine with upper end . modifications. Attaching the Volvo pistons to pistons fitting the sealed cylinders, the engine worked perfectly and showed an output of three hundred horsepower. In a December ~68 "PRIVATE PILOT" article, the inventor, Joseph Papp, claimed that it would cost about twenty-five dollars to charge each cylinder every sixty thousand miles. Subscribers couldn't help but wonder why "PRIVATE PILOT" soon changed hands, moved across the Country, and failed to follow up on this project as promised.
TROYAN MOTOR. Jospeh P. Troyan designed Ii remarkable air-powered flywheel that he claimed could propel an auto for 2c per mile. Using a principle of "ratio amplification of motion" in a closed system, the motor was easily attached to electric generators for pollution-free variable power systems. (See: Troyan Air-Mobile; T.M. Reg. U.S. Patent #040011 or W F S E)
WATER·GAS MIX (University of Arizona). Marvin D. Martin told the press in 1976 that their University funded "Fuel reformer" catalytic reactor could probably double auto mileage. Designed to, cut exhaust emissions, the units mixed water with hydro-carbon fuels to produce an efficient Hydrogen, Methane, Carbon-Monoxide fuel. Letters to their Aero Building #16 Lab brought replies that indicated little of how the units functioned but indications that the Hydrogen was responsible for the great efficiency. From P.O. Box 3146, Inglewood. Ca. 90304 (1977)
Zobrls Electric Car Circuit Design. In 1969 Joseph R. Zubris became disgusted with his ailing automobile and decided to gamble a couple of hundred dollars on putting together an electric car. Using an ancient ten horse electric truck motor, Zubris figured out a unique system to get peak performance from this motor; he actually ran his 1961 Mercury from this power plant. Estimating that his electric car costs him less than $100 a year to operate, the inventor was sure that larger concerns would be very interested, and he could hardly believe the lack of response he received from his efforts. In the early '70's he began selling licenses to interested parties at $500. Thirty-five small concerns were interested enough to respond. The Zubris invention actually cut energy drain on electric car starting by 75%. By weakening excitation after getting started, there is a 100% mileage gain over conventional electric motors. The patent probably doubled the efficiency of the series electric motor. (Patent #3,809,978)(31)
Electric Motor. One of the startling electric motors designs of the 1970's was the E.M.A. motor. By recycling energy this astounding motor was able to get a better than 90% efficiency. Using a patented Ev-Gray generator, which intensified battery current. the voltage was introduced to the field coils by a simple programmer. By allowing the motor to charge separate batteries as it ran, phenomena1ly sma11 amounts of electricity were needed. In tests by the Crosby Research Institute of Beverly Hills, Ca., a ten horsepower E.M.A. motor ran for over a week on four automobile batteries. Using conservative estimates, the inventors felt that a fifty horsepower electric car could travel 300 miles at 50 mph without recharging. With such performance the engine could be applied to airplanes, cars, boats, and even electric generators.(32) According to Dr. Keith E. Kenyon of Van Nuys, California, he discovered a discrepancy in long accepted laws relating to electric motor magnets. When Dr. Kenyon demonstrated his radically different motor to physicists and engineers in 1976, there reaction was typical. They admitted the motor worked remarkable well but since it was beyond the 'accepted' laws of physics they chose to ignore it. Because this system could theoretically run an auto on a very small electrical current, entertainer Paul Winchell saw a great potential and began to work with Dr. Kenyon.(pat. pending).
Diggs Liquid Electricity Engine. At an inventors workshop (1. W. International) an amazing electrical auto engine was shown by inventor Richard Diggs. Using what he called liquid electricity, he felt that he could power a large truck for 25,000 miles from a single portable unit of his electrical fuel, Liquid electricity violated a number of the well known physical laws the inventor pointed out. Melvin Fuller, the expositions president, felt that this breakthrough would have a most profound effect upon the worlds economy. Some speculated that it only could if ... (34) In the June 1973 issue of "Probe" there was an article on an electromagnetic !engine that was fuelless (See ASE).
Electric Motor Breakthrough. In the '70's it was found that ceramic permanent magnets could replace conventional field coils in electric motors. This resulted in low current drain, high performance. and freedom from burn out. an ideal prescription for electric cars. Two 6 V. batteries are supposedly enough to run a 11/4 h.p. motor 50 miles at 30 mph.(33)
Magna-Pulsion Engine. A retired electronics engineer named Bob Teal of Madison, Florida invented a motor which ran by means of six tiny electromagnets and a secret timing device. Requiring no fuel the engine of course emitted no gases. It was so simple in design that it required very little maintenance and a smal1 motorcycle battery was the only thing needed to get it started. Typically, most persons who had professional background in this field felt that the machine must be a farce and viewed it and the inventor with suspicion. After seeing the machine run a power saw in the inventors workshop a number of persons were forced to expand their thinking somewhat. Teal dreamed up his engine design after working on a science fiction novel. His first model was made to a large degree of wood and he estimated that it shouldn't cost over a few hundred 9011ars to put out larger precision models for use in automobiles. Because he lost an estimated $50 million invention while he was working on an earlier government project, he was hoping for a better reward on his "impossible" magnetic motor.(36)
The Hendershot' Generator. In the late 1920' s there was considerable publicity on a device built by Lester J. Hendersho.t. Through inspiration and an unusual dream this in~ventor wove together a number of flat coils of wire and placed stainless steel rings, sticks of carbon and permanent magnets in various positions as an experiment. With later adjustments this device actually produced current. According to the reports the inventor had no idea how the device worked and it was often just a case of working by trial and error to get results. A number of persons speculated that the various magnetic currents of the Earth were used when the resination of this device was tuned to the proper frequency.(37)
Electro Magnetic Super Motor. In 1975 there was word of an engine which used no fuel whatsoeyer; it was being developed in North Carolina. This Electro Magnetic Power device was worked on by a group which shunned pUblicity. There was some speculation that might be used in the Highway Aircraft Automobile. (no confirmation)(39)
Hydrogen Car Engines. Many persons believe that hydrogen is the ideal motive force for man. Containing no carbon, H2 can be burned safety in any enclosure and broken up into safe components whatever the conversion. A number of minor experimental successes proved the worth of these conversions over the years. Some neighbors' experiments were typical. They simply hooked up a mixing chamber instead of a carburetor on their car, and they experimented with combinations of oxygen and hydrogen until successful.(S) In 1972 a U.C.L.A. team built an automobile to compete in a 'clean air' race. Using a stock gasoline engine, they lowered its compression rate and made a few alterations to allow for a greater heat build-up. Next, they recirculated part of the exhaust gas to decrease the excess oxygen and slow the combusti()n process slightly. The result was a success. The only real problem was in the bulky. quickly exhausted tanks of fuel.(S2) Billings Energy Research of Provo, Utah, solved the bulky tank problem a couple of years later when they built a hydride storage system. Hydrogen is chemically locked in powdered iron titanium and is released when heat from the engines' cooling fluid warms it. With this, or a less expensive Hefferlin System (See UFO section) there is little reason for ollr continuing dependence on fossil fuels. Justi and Kalberlah wrote in a '66 French bulletin that they could convert watel: to hydrogen and oxygen using D.C. current and simple nickel, double layer, porous electrodes (3). Their system could store tl'le gases under 100 ATM without a pump being used, and they attained a phenomenal 50% to 65'0;0 energetic efficiency.(53) In '75 U.C.L.A. experimenters ran liquid hydrogen to a standard propane regulator and mixer atop a standard carburetor. In the carburetor they used water to lower combustion temperatures and to act as a combustion and backfire control. (An 'approved' gas mixer or carburetor is necessary in Calilfornia<Impoo, etc.)
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2023, 10:14:23 AM »
Also Mihai Rusetel water motor

"the Romanian Michael Rusetel invented a simple water-fuel engine. The project was submitted to the OSIM in 1980 and was patented in January 2001. The energy source is initially an ordinary car battery. The engine is calculated to consume 10 liters of water per 100 km at 70 km / hr maximum speed

Director General of Uzinelor Dacia (Renault), ing. Constantin Stroe, who is familiar with the invnetion, said it is delighted and willing to help the inventor. "Success would be a miracle, and I think in this case a Super Nobel Prize should be invented for this man"."

And Sounthirarajan Kumarasamy water motor

And Thushara Priyamal Edirisinghe water motor

"Thushara, a 25-year-old from Athurugiriya, is the inventor of what could be a ground-breaking technology of powering a car by water, using an extremely low amount of electricity.

According to the the young inventor, the generator he has designed is capable of running a motor car for 80 kilometres using only one litre of water, without any danger to life or any impact on the environment.

"The specialty of my invention is its ability to produce this energy from water with a minimal electric current of barely 0.5 amperes, which was not possible earlier," Thushara says."

And all these

And infinitely more

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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2023, 01:13:01 AM »
It's one thing to record all these claimants, but until we extract sufficient knowledge to get repeatable replications, it's all just a tease on celestial scale.
We need to reach out to inventors while they are still with us, figure out what their intentions are, ideally achieve positive validation and then assist the investor either on the open source or commercial path. Both are fine by me, as long as it MAKES it to regular people.
Someone who splits water at a low Faraday constant fraction, or uses it as fuel in some other low cost way, doesn't need to sell the investion, only publish it properly and pack a suitcase for a 10-year speaking engagement tour that will render them rich beyond their wildest dreams. You need a publicist more than a patent lawyer.
Open Source only works for humanity if it truly become replicable to high level of efficiency by decent builders, and can then be developed to higher refinement by large corporate who then take it to market competing against each other.
Managers of large machine or vehicle fleets can commission their own production. Say, you own a very large transport fleet that runs on diesel. Ideally you modify the whole fleet at minimal cost and then lost fuel cost from the annual budget.
Whether an open source or patented invention, there WILL be money and fame for the inventor. The pitfall is that of secrecy. None have ever climbed out of that, or even breathed through it.
Do you want to live in a universe that allows you to keep a free energy technology from the other 8 billion people?
Commercial implementation can be fine, but it need to spark SUPER low energy costs. Zero isn't possible unless we generate and transport the energy with our mind only. Most likely, we'll still need a device to produce and a device to store. But we need to reduce energy cost for everyone.

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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2023, 03:30:19 PM »
It appears to be a tease, but it's not for it is not intentional. It is just that by Divine Will overunity and degraviation will not become mainstream until humanity is ready for it and until humanity deserves it. Overunity is probably going to be standardized 5-10 years before degraviation but probably not before 15 years, until then each will have to do it for himself or buy it on black market as many have been doing. I wrote many times, altho most may not believe it, overunity black market is HUGE. At least in Europe but i have no doubt it is similar in rest of the world. There is no country where overunity devices are not sold, be it HHO, magnetic, flywheel or solid state. But it is always under the counter. For example my friend was working in Italy 5-6 years ago and he was told first hand about a possibilty to buy a magnetic generator 10kW for 10,000€. Now, most will foolishly think scam scam, no, not scam, it's just that all this happens 100% under the counter. Seek in most remote places and you may get a better glimpse. For example in some most remote facebook group where most members were from third world countries a year or two ago, on some remote post, a guy comments, without intention to sell anything or even to show off, he was just showing a magnetic generator in his basement that was powering his house for years already. And so on infinitely. People judge by what they know and they know very very very little or nothing. There is so much on this planet even the somewhat open minded would be 100% mind blown. Not to get into secret military and private enterprises where things you see in Star Trek have been happening for decades and even centuries. Everything is already here but only for those who have earned the right.

Most want everything served or clear a-b-c instructions or they dismiss it. Rare are willing to put in time and energy sincerely, to collect and correlate the fragments and follow their intuition and intelligence relentlessly until clear solution emerges. Many play with it but lukewarmly, nothing comes out of such efforts. Success is proportional to energy level one operates on.

As i wrote, altho water engines are obviously far better than fossil fuel engines they are still based on explosion and thus destructive (for more Schauberger). Universe does not allow or not allow anything, universe is but one of many thoughts of the Creator/God/Self. I spoke of these things before, in short, future is already written and in this movie we're watching overunity cannot become public or standardized before certain minimum of intelligence and morality is reached. Average Joe determines what can become public and standardized. Unlike what some gatekeepers would like us to believe (pretending to look for a solution out of supposed desperate need just to forward anyone who comes up with a solution to PTB), there is no desperate need to save the humanity by release of overunity, it is not a technological matter AT-ALL. Never has been, never will be. Technology has been here forever, certain secret brotherhoods always had it, since mid 19th century onward it was rediscovered in countless forms, everything, degravitation, overunity, question of energy and transportation totally eliminated. But it cannot become public before public is ready for it and before public deserves it by its good actions.
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Re: Water Car technologies overview
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2023, 08:21:04 PM »
Yes, I've been told of a black market overunity deal where a large fleet of MW range devices were built under license. GWhs worth annually. The inventor sold too cheaply and the whole deal has been a pain.
My intermediary to the inventor broke all ties with him, too many lies and smoke screens. He was long convinced of the OU aspect of the devices (commercially deployed, supposedly, in huge numbers), but he only found receipts for about 10% of the claimed own fleet in parts purschases. So do units exist and really do what they are told to be doing for clients? Absolutely no way to buy a unit, it's kept a secret. Packed with camera's and maybe even boobytraps.
I still need to reach out the inventor myself, he has MY writings on the website, but hardly knows I exist. I heard some bad stories and read some BS answers to my questions, so I need to fix that in my mind, else I'll get what I expect and that's not worth getting.

Having done some math on pricing models of devices and licensing, I now realize how amazingly good an OU device needs to be, to be worth it over solar farms, hydro, wind, etc. Especially for the largest market: central power stations that feed the national grids. Countries, especially wealthy ones, have plenty of barren land to smack solar and wind farms on.
For an OU device to make sense on the consumer market, you need at minimum a 20 kW unit that can be ADDED to an electric car. Say, a well designed electric car has a spacious front trunk (frunk). With some redesign of crash structures, the OU device could sit in place of that trunk and keep a smaller high voltage drive battery charged up. A battery such as in common PHEVs, of the 10 kWh range, would suffice for anything but towing and long high speed runs.
In the case of a PHEV car that already exists, the ICE could be tossed and replaced by the OU device, 20 kW but ideally 50 kW, that would be a cost effect way to get this going. When parked, it's a 20 kW power station that sells energy to the grid.

Water cars would make energy very affordable, at least if the drivetrain is exceedingly reliable. If not, it's never going to be affordable or even viable. Once you have a well working water car, you could add a REALLY large tank, placed where BEVs place their 700 kg battery pack. The room is there, it's just water, so no big deal.
Park the car, let the drivetrain run in neutral powering the onboard generator, and sell energy to the grid.
For some uses, the OU device could sit on a little trailer and have a cable feeding to the PHEV battery and keep things going that way. Still, it needs to make sense from a COST perspective. Else, "green" is just not worth it. We NEED the CO2, as famine is going out of control, crops need their CO2 feed.

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Re: Water Car technologies overview
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2023, 09:29:26 PM »
Like i said overunity black market is HUGE, exactly how huge is hard to know since most of it is secret, it is a detective's work, reconstructing the picture from many bits and pieces.

Take as an example this flywheel overunity serial production, do you think (rhetorical, general question) these people are going serial with it as some scam, no, they are going serial cause it works.

And this kid, he said he was trying for 3 years until he got it to work. (BTW Steven Marks made 200 versions of his TPU until he got it to work) This one is 250KVA powering a factory. He has also smaller models and the smallest one is a modified PMG 1kW below.

These are just examples, obviously flywheel approach is most bulky and very noisy and clearly most don't gets it to work. Even that is delicate.

I heard from some guy in comments below Serbian flywheel overunity that factories have been using flywheel overunity for decades, decreasing power usage like 10 times. Look at those new token bank cards, they have no batteries or solar cells, yet they work indefinitely. Etc. I think overunity is already used on massive scale, it's just officially denied.

My friend brought a new electric car (big one) last year, he got 9000€ discount from the state + charging is for free and i don't think there is a plan to cut that down, so he does not need an overunity device, at least not for now. Of course it would be a nice addition since stations are not everywhere, but anyway.

As for water car, all has been said about that, obviously it would be better than fossil fuels but it is still based on explosion and thus destructive, not aligned with divine principles. Such technology is extremely primitive and in the long run not much better than fossil fuels. Magnetism is all we need. Not burning fumes.

And obviously, a relatively small overunity generator can charge an electric car over night, or batteries for powering your home. Average household uses little over 1kW on average, so, all is clear there. I studied voltage controlled switches and charging regulators few years back when i was hoping to succeed with a 1-2kW generator which would charge solar batteries. Nothing more is needed than 1kW, except of course if you got superlarge surges that go over the battery capacity or you want to charge the car fast.

As for CO2, plants have been getting enough of it for billions of years without the help of octane engines, besides the pollution of carbon monoxide and lead etc is surely not helping the environment.

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Re: Water Car technologies overview
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2023, 08:10:39 PM »
With the bank cards, isn't the power supplied when swiped?

Military war crime secrets are all available to us, patriot soldiers obtain documents and leak them. Most leakers know in advance they'll be paying with their life, or they take their own to save their family the disgrace.
Why can't this forum's members obtain the missing ingredients to getting these famed inventions to work? So so many people would be working at these projects. However overunity and cheap, it still takes manpower to manage its generation and distribution. If you have a large factory, yes you can build or buy an OU genset and pretend to be greening up, buy less and less from your grid. Install some (fake) solar arrays, anything to be plausible. But to SELL your energy...that's super hard, around the world. You're not supposed to HAVE energy to sell. Just like you're not supposed to have a cure for cancer or diabetes. It officially doesn't exist, so you can't sell it. If you had it, you'd have it all tested and validated, right?
But with the cures, we CAN read how they work. It's all public. Those inventing it, are healers.
Black market OU...why isn't a rogue employee trying to sell us schematics? Offering to build us a working setup on our premises, no cure no pay?

To understand such "black OU market" better, will allow us to access and crack it. We just need the most power dense (by weight) OU tech there is, validate, replicate and then ENGINEER to be even better. Whether inventors wanted it open source or not, we can make it public at least. Even if they have a patent explaining hardly anything at all, we can publish how it really works. The inventor can then scramble to prove that they had the same thing all along, rather than now claiming our work as theirs.
We need to understand the top OU principles, so we can counsel builders on how to modify their cars, gen sets, etc, to get the maximum result.

Using 10x less energy...makes me wonder. Why was 10% still needed? I am unable to come up with a COP that would be able to reduce energy demand from external sources by 90%, but not be able to loop itself to reduce external demand by 100%.

Flywheels are bulky, but there's an industry that downsizes them. Smaller flywheels, denser high tensile materials, higher rpms. Counter-rotating removes pesky gyro effects. How heavy could a flywheel system reasonably be to still be acceptable on a donor PHEV car that was 1700 kg without ICE? With some suspension upgrades, pretty heavy actually. Modern full size BEV and PHEVs are in the 2100-2800 kg range. A 2500-2600 kg Tesla Model X or NIO ES8 type BEV could drop 700 kg from the drive battery, add 100 kg for a small "hybrid" battery, and then have 600 kg left for a 50 kW sytem to put under the hood. If it has to be 1500 kg, it can go in a trailer. 50 kW still suffices.

For industrial use, weight doesn't matter, only cost per GWh, spread over a decade or so.
It's hard to imagine though, that it would be too heavy for use on a semi-truck. The Tesla Semi has a 850 kWh battery. That's several tons. If the OU system weighs the same, it can work just fine with 250 kW continuous. With 500 kW peak, it would be total dream system already.

If there is a black market, we need to know what the best systems are, and how they work.
Just to "know" OU is real and that there's a black market, serves no-one.

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Re: Water Car technologies overview
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2023, 11:39:42 PM »
Not credit cards but security token cards. I've been using mine for almost 10 years, no battery, no solar cells. It's always fully charged. I am sure it has a small coil, like small TPU that resonates with gravity or similar principle. Your question has already been answered. "It is just that by Divine Will overunity and degravitaion will not become mainstream until humanity is ready for it and until humanity deserves it.". Secrets are already out and obtained by many, but loop goes back to Divine Will, can't be public before it's destined. Nothing is really hidden, future will show you that dozens, hundreds of actual overunity principles have been revealed here over the years. But people don't recognize and just dismiss everything. I did not say anything about selling the energy like electric companies do. All i said overunity black market is HUGE, meaning overunity is used on massive scale. Government is admitting they have downed ET craft and bodies etc, nothing strange about overunity black market being huge. We don't need to access and crack black market, nothing is really hidden. Top OU principles are already understood by some of us and shared here over the years. Nothing is really hidden. As for 'Why was 10% still needed' good point, i was thinking exactly the same. I was just conveying what that guy wrote in the comment. If input is reduced 90% they should definitely be able to loop it. Maybe they don't want to loop not to attract unwanted attention so they are happy just to reduce the bill. Of course that for industrial use, weight doesn't matter, only cost per GWh. That's why they killed the SGWN, that is an example of a system for true industrial use, bulky but powerful. And i am 99,9% sure it used the basic Skinner principle, that cone perfectly fits. And all these principles i shared, mechanical and solid state. Obviously flywheel method is not suitable for cars, there are so many better methods than flywheel and large flywheel in a car could be very dangerous. Just turning corners might be impeded by gyro-stabilization effect. Flywheel is the most primitive of all overunity methods. Whoever wants to succeed needs to pick a principle he/she believes the most and pursue it relentlessly. But problem is almost no one sees. One needs to operate from higher energy level, and higher energy level is reached by relentlessly pursuing deeper understanding of all involved phenomena. That is how we 'earn' right to see. So there is definitely a black market and it's huge and no, we do not need to know it, it is absolutely irrelevant. More than enough has been available for decades (and even centuries now) that anyone intelligent who did his research cannot have doubts and has more than enough to reconstruct the puzzle. Black market is 100% irrelevant. One needs to rise to higher level and do it. One just needs to look into it intelligently and seek better understanding and eventually secrets are revealed. Nothing can be hidden from one who is seeking sincerely and persistently. Great is the irony of what you write, for solutions are literally poking you in the eyes, you just need to see them. As for public disclosure/standardization, that is fully determined by Average Joe, and more precisely, by Divine Will.