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Positive Biased Waves Research and Bench-Work
« on: May 05, 2023, 04:32:36 AM »
My work on the Clemente Figuera is veering off from the original design.  So I will continue in this thread.  This way I can veer it where ever it leads me.

Real sinewaves are possible now to run on a positive bias.  I will post simple schematic soon of hookup.

Running 2 positive biased sinewaves 180 degrees apart at resonance brings some interesting results.

1.  1 Channel stereo amp, each lead through a separate diode. Broadcasting a standard sinewave.
2.  Grounds of each coil tied together, and grounding to supply negative.
3.  Diodes in place to redirect Back-EMF.
4.  Amp Meter measuring Back-EMF current which is grounding to supply HOT Lead.
5.  Running somewhere around 35 Khz.

1.368 Amps Input
1.33 Amps Back EMF going back into the positive.

Not sure how useful this will be yet, but quite interesting..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYxJRUORfXU

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Re: Positive Biased Waves Research and Bench-Work
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2023, 02:28:03 AM »
This may be difficult for others to grasp.  But I will try..  This is my whole premise on the "gain mechanism".

First- view this video demonstration to see the beginning stages of the effect..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk61JGszrr0

Bear in mind- this was through a Full wave bridge rectifier, and was still able to pass the zero line even with diodes blocking.  Imagine the effect with a clear path and an induced coil to push it.

The Figuera secret is that the shrinking magnetic field gets pushed by induced coil past the zero line on both sides from the induction of the growing electromagnet and induction of the pickup coil..  Thus changing 1 way sinewave to full-fledge Alternating Current, which helps current generation on both sides.

Figuera's resistor rig was an "Input and Output" resistor. 

".and further more as the current passes to the magnetic field and returns of the
same by the two ends of input and output resistor"

The way it was wired, the returning energy that the emptying electromagnet inducted from Lenz, (pushed past the zero line) had a connected path through the resistor to loop back to the growing electromagnet.  It was able to harvest Lenz from the growing electromagnet through the shrinking electromagnet, and connect it back to the growing field. See the pic below.

The issue with electronic versions (with diodes like mine) is that there is no connection path to return the collected energy to the growing electromagnet.  And this is vital to accomplish. His resistor rig did it naturally.

My 2nd image is how I "think" it needs to be wired.  Notice the 2 stand-alone diodes in the middle connecting both circuits.  They both need to switch direction every 1/2 sinewave.  The emptying electromagnet must always have a path to send it's induced current through the growing electromagnet.  But never shall there be a path for the filling electromagnet to send through the emptying electromagnet.

I've drawn it out 100 different ways with diodes, but I do not think it can be done without switching. Maybe it can be done with SCR's, but I am unskilled at building such circuits.  If anyone is following me here and knows how to switch these 2 diodes in sync with the sinewaves, I'd be appreciative to learn. 

This is how I think Figuera beat Lenz,  by harvesting it.

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Re: Positive Biased Waves Research and Bench-Work
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2023, 08:17:41 PM »
If it can be done with positive bias, it should be possible with full-on AC. Then no need to switch crap. 

2 full AC sinewaves.  90 degrees out of phase.
Interface the magnetic fields together through electromagnets to shift the phases.
now we successfully shifted the two 90's to two phases 180 degrees out of phase from each other.

Run both outputs into separate isolation transformers.  Tie the transformer outputs together in series. 
Isolated secondary's are powering a load and is 90 degrees out of phase lagging from 1 speaker output, and 90 degrees leading from the other.

If my theory is correct, now the only lenz that should pass back to the input would be losses and inefficiencies of the electromagnet cores.  The output will be much less than the input with 1 pickup coil, but now we should be able to harvest the magnetic field over and over without passing much to the input.

Showing All Steps running at 60 Hz.  -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK0m-w5oIeY

Next is to play around with different coil configurations in hopes I can fine one that keeps growing the flux to keep taking..




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Re: Positive Biased Waves Research and Bench-Work
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2023, 01:07:38 PM »
I want to fully test induction efficiency of positive biased sines verse standard sines.

For test 1, I used a standard 120 to 24V transformer backwards to step up..
Input 10v 60 Hz standard sinewave and recorded watts to load on the secondary and on input.

Next I set a 5V offset to keep the wave positive biased.  10V with 5V offset.  And recorded both values. 

With the positive biased wave, the input and output both went down 50% respectively.  So induction efficiency was equal whether the wave was full AC or positive bias.

This used a signal generator offset, so next I will test the same setup by making the sines positive based with bridge rectifiers and report the results hopefully later tonight 

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Re: Positive Biased Waves Research and Bench-Work
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2023, 08:06:26 PM »
Hi Floodrod,

Is it possible for you to set up a Moderated thread for your "Positive Biased
Waves Research" over on the "Overunity Research [OUR]" forum?

Since Positive Biased Waves reaches somewhat beyond Figuera; the development
might be better served within it's own moderated topic. Just my opinion however.

CAE animations, etc. seem to work, for the most part, on that forum plus
there are few more useful features - animated gif's don't seem to work here
nor do larger files.

SL
 

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Re: Positive Biased Waves Research and Bench-Work
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2023, 01:14:09 AM »
Hi Floodrod,

Is it possible for you to set up a Moderated thread for your "Positive Biased
Waves Research" over on the "Overunity Research [OUR]" forum?

Since Positive Biased Waves reaches somewhat beyond Figuera; the development
might be better served within it's own moderated topic. Just my opinion however.

CAE animations, etc. seem to work, for the most part, on that forum plus
there are few more useful features - animated gif's don't seem to work here
nor do larger files.

SL

I don't have a bench over there and no privileges' to moderate

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Re: Positive Biased Waves Research and Bench-Work
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2023, 04:08:12 AM »
I don't have a bench over there and no privileges' to moderate


No problem.

Just checked, and it appears our server guy now offers a VPS (Virtual Private Server) plus 
Development Servers with any number of domains and multiple isolated environments
at a couple of bucks a month (probably time to re-configure anyway and save quite a lot).

Might be inconvenient (not so simple sign in) but the VPS is fast and can do real time video,
large files, etc. plus a blog/chat scheme that's easy to use. Used the old private server
a lot in the past and it worked OK (cludgy but got the job done).

Anyway, let me know - might be a good solution for app sharing, large data, and so forth.

But hey, no problem if you don't want to - either way... I'm going to look at this new VPS
setup for another project.

SL


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Re: Positive Biased Waves Research and Bench-Work
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2023, 04:19:32 AM »
SL-  I have a hosting account- a decent one.  I can set you up an FTP account if you wish.

Regarding Positive waves-:

If Figuera used a resistor rig like the documents say, I theorize; Yes it produced unneeded heat, but the trade-off must have been worth it.  Besides controlling the 2 waves, it also provided a connection path between both electromagnets.  If the weakening electromagnet collected the Back EMF (Lenz) and sent it towards the source like I predict, we would want that current to route through the growing electromagnet.  The patents specifically say the resistor was an "input and output" resistor. And the current "returned to the source from where it was taken.

So if the audio amplifier allows you to ground the coils to the supply negative (like 1 of mine does), we can run 1 speaker channel to 2 electromagnets which have their grounds tied together and going to the battery negative.  Then we can simply tie a resistor between both speaker leads. The sinewaves stay positive biased and the exact same.  And now we have the connection path for possible Back-EMF to route through.  (mimicking Figuera's). 

If indeed the weakening electromagnet inducts the Lenz from the growing electromagnet (like I picture), I think that Back-EMF current would prefer traveling through the resistor and growing electromagnet straight to ground, rather than facing all the impedance of going back to the hot terminal.

Figuera was relying on the resistors to create the sinewave, but since we have electronics producing it, the resistor may be able to be replaced with something more efficient that allows the current to route properly while harvesting the energy instead of discharging heat.  Such as a FWBR to a boost converter, which charges the battery.

But 1 step at a time..  First I need to find out for sure if Back-EMF can be collected and routed like I propose.

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Re: Positive Biased Waves Research and Bench-Work
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2023, 07:29:54 AM »
Hi Floodrod,

Thanks, but I'll pass on the FTP. This new VPS is looking pretty interesting so far and I can
see where it just might be a new way to go for the development I'm trying to do.

Did a couple more primitive passes re: Figuera; but didn't see anything that might enhance
the LinGen scheme so I'll shelf it for now - got a lot of "bench cleaning" that needs to be done.

Good Luck - will keep checking in for news (although IMHO the forums have gone south - finding
it hard to even click the link anymore).

Regards,

SL


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Re: Positive Biased Waves Research and Bench-Work
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2023, 04:30:38 PM »
I made 3 Figuera-style triple coils.  Used 2 positive based waves 180 degrees apart.  And scoped it out.. When I get the frequency up to past 100 Hz, the induction creeps to 90 degrees out of phase from each electromagnet.

One electromagnet is leading, the other is lagging.  Output is pretty miserable though.. 

Just gathering data...

Image is using 360 Hz.  The rectifier doubles it to 720

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Re: Positive Biased Waves Research and Bench-Work
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2023, 06:49:14 PM »
I am going to build a prototype of the core arrangement I posted in the Figuera thread. But will be documenting it here.

I understand the induction formulas do not support it, and I also understand laminated, soft iron, ferrite, etc is better..  And I understand this design is NOT optimal.  So no need to point that out here.  This is just merely to study the interaction and effects.  And this is the material I could get quickly and easily.  If the results are positive, I will do it all correctly.

So I went to my local machine shop and had him cut me 6 slices of 3" square steel stock.  I will be cutting it and designing bobbins / coils to conform to this configuration attached.

I will post updates and results as they come.