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alan

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Re: Faraday's Paradox experiment
« Reply #300 on: June 25, 2023, 07:42:51 PM »

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Re: Faraday's Paradox experiment
« Reply #301 on: June 27, 2023, 02:00:37 AM »
Interesting responses and some people seem to feel compelled to pollute all the Faraday Parodox threads with off topic nonsense. One has to wonder if there intent is to misdirect?.

It's not rocket science, the subject is Faraday's Paradox experiment not all this nonsensical bullshit many seem to be posting in violation of forum rules.

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Re: Faraday's Paradox experiment
« Reply #302 on: June 27, 2023, 03:22:34 PM »
Fortunately, we can all make up our own minds as to who pollutes with BS and who is interested in supporting the experiments.

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Re: Faraday's Paradox experiment
« Reply #303 on: June 27, 2023, 04:28:14 PM »
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It is exactly those who call these highly illuminating Truths "nonsense" and "bullshit" who pollute the thread, same those who insist in their fallacy (very possibly as intentional disinfo campagin) altho their false claims have been completely disproven .

So my offering proof why a magnetic field doesn't rotate is off topic disinformation and your seemingly endless bible camp diatribe is on topic...got it.

I will leave you to it then because as Mark Twain suggested...
"Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience".

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Re: Faraday's Paradox experiment
« Reply #304 on: June 27, 2023, 06:04:03 PM »
That's one of my favorite sayings also AC!

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Re: Faraday's Paradox experiment
« Reply #305 on: June 27, 2023, 07:39:44 PM »
@nix85, You're mistaken the field doesn't move w the magnet.

Magnetic fields do not rotate along their magnetization axis, Onepower is correct. 

While I agree with you that permanent magnets can have slight variations in their fields due to their construction it doesnt change that fact.

I have to admit that I was in that camp too for a while, I even designed a brushless homopolar generator based on that assumption.

Here is a link to an excellent video on the topic, In paricular pay attention to the scope during the various tests. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gduYoT9sMaE.
 
This wasn't what made me figure it out. Trust I was like 'you idiot' to myself when I did,  but it should help you if you're as smart as you think.
The key is the return path.

nix85

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Re: Faraday's Paradox experiment
« Reply #306 on: June 27, 2023, 09:28:27 PM »
@onepower You offered no proof that field does not spin, you offered an endless diatribe of foolishness, and my SINGLE bible-related post was clearly a reply to alan who replied to me with bible quote, so what, this is an open forum, we can discuss various things, it's not a Nazi camp, you twit.

I, unlike you, offered concrete proofs that fields spin with the "source" - firstly as i wrote

https://overunity.com/16769/faraday-paradox-revisitedmagnetic-field-rotation-question/msg579459/#msg579459

the concept of "source" is wrong in a sense you use it, for source of a gravity field can be outside of this plane, no matter or EM fields present in the area - yet gravity field is present, how come, that much about your "source". (Think about astral beings aka "ghosts" moving things).

Further on, fact is is variations in flux density of a PM are fixed to particular spots and spin with the magnet. This clearly proves field as a whole spins.

Further on, all occult/contactee sources of Higher Knowledge agree that all on all scales is made of spinning, pulsating toroid-vortices made of individual fluxlines as clearly depicted in theosophical Anu and other sources. Earth's etheric vortex spins at constant velocity and Earth spins with it in its center. This is 180° from your false, non-spinning field "idea". You foolishly dismiss these sources, but time will show this is exactly how nature operates. Spinning, spiraling toroid vortices made of lines of flux in which flow etheric "bubbles of nothing" (holes/voids in the time-space forcefield), just like Keely depicted 130 years ago.

As for your Twain quote, i never read anything more ironic, if i am stupid that makes you stupid to the power of infinity.

And there, Holcomb cheerleader idiot jumps in to pollute the thread with BS, cheerleader who never contributed a single technical/scientific or any thing of value, never a single one literally so.

Also when rakarskiy, another disinformer backed by the cheerleader, was disinforming about the Hooper-Monstein for days and weeks, i have proven his claims are 100% false for induction happens there in most normal manner.

https://pasteboard.co/G39LG6W16pJU.gif

Stupid cheerleader wasting server space with BS.

@phoneboy I am not mistaken, magnetic fields do rotate along their magnetization axis and he is not correct.

It's not just that permanent magnets have slight variations in their fields that matters, and you sleazily try to leave it at that leaving out the key part....

it is the fact flux variations are fixed to their respective parts of a magnet and spin with it. This clearly proves that field as a whole spins with the magnet.

I know the video you linked and it shows nothing to the contrary.

You did not figure it out, you are not a student of time-space mehanics, you are not a student of higher sources of learning, you are simply lost like most. Say 'you idiot' to yourself again.

I have already spoken about the the return path and no, it's not the key. The key is the fact variations of flux density are fixed with a magnet and spin with it.

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Re: Faraday's Paradox experiment
« Reply #307 on: June 27, 2023, 10:56:41 PM »
@onepower You offered no proof that field does not spin, you offered an endless diatribe of foolishness, and my SINGLE bible-related post was clearly a reply to alan who replied to me with bible quote, so what, this is an open forum, we can discuss various things, it's not a Nazi camp, you twit.

I, unlike you, offered concrete proofs that fields spin with the "source" - firstly as i wrote

https://overunity.com/16769/faraday-paradox-revisitedmagnetic-field-rotation-question/msg579459/#msg579459

the concept of "source" is wrong in a sense you use it, for source of a gravity field can be outside of this plane, no matter or EM fields present in the area - yet gravity field is present, how come, that much about your "source". (Think about astral beings aka "ghosts" moving things).

Further on, fact is is variations in flux density of a PM are fixed to particular spots and spin with the magnet. This clearly proves field as a whole spins.

Further on, all occult/contactee sources of Higher Knowledge agree that all on all scales is made of spinning, pulsating toroid-vortices made of individual fluxlines as clearly depicted in theosophical Anu and other sources. Earth's etheric vortex spins at constant velocity and Earth spins with it in its center. This is 180° from your false, non-spinning field "idea". You foolishly dismiss these sources, but time will show this is exactly how nature operates. Spinning, spiraling toroid vortices made of lines of flux in which flow etheric "bubbles of nothing" (holes/voids in the time-space forcefield), just like Keely depicted 150 years ago.

As for your Twain quote, i never read anything more ironic, if i am stupid that makes you stupid to the power of infinity.

And there, Holcomb cheerleader idiot jumps in to pollute the thread with BS, cheerleader who never contributed a single technical/scientific or any thing of value, never a single one literally so.

Also when rakarskiy, another disinformer backed by the cheerleader, was disinforming about the Hooper-Monstein for days and weeks, i have proven his claims are 100% false for induction happens there in most normal manner.

https://pasteboard.co/G39LG6W16pJU.gif

Stupid cheerleader wasting server space with BS.

@phoneboy I am not mistaken, magnetic fields do rotate along their magnetization axis and he is not correct.

It's not just that permanent magnets have slight variations in their fields that matters, and you sleazily try to leave it at that leaving out the key part....

it is the fact flux variations are fixed to their respective parts of a magnet and spin with it. This clearly proves that field as a whole spins with the magnet.

I know the video you linked and it shows nothing to the contrary.

You did not figure it out, you are not a student of fundamental time-space mehanics, you are not a student of higher sources of learning, you are simply lost like most. Say 'you idiot' to yourself again.

I have already spoken about the the return path and no, it's not the key. The key is the fact variations of flux density are fixed with a magnet and spin with it.

@nix85, Wow dude. 'sleazily'

You say you've seen that video, ok then tell me this.

They spin the disk (magnet stationary) and get a current.

Then the magnet and disk are spun in the same direction but now there is only relative motion between the return path and the field except the field cuts the conductor in the opposite direction so why hasn't the currents polarity changed????

Because the field doesn't spin. There is no paradox.

I guess the rules of induction don't apply to you. 

Look I get that this universe to us is just an 'illusion' of our perception but for you its seems as if its a 'delusion' so you enjoy that.
Please do everyone on this forum a favor and start taking your meds again.

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Re: Faraday's Paradox experiment
« Reply #308 on: June 28, 2023, 12:54:18 AM »
...but now there is only relative motion between the return path and the field except the field cuts the conductor in the opposite direction so why hasn't the currents polarity changed????

Because the field doesn't spin. There is no paradox...

Sleazy cause you left out the key part. Anyway. For the video.

Like i said i know the video and have seen it years ago, i have been aware of Faraday "paradox" since the beginning of my research into overunity 10 years ago. Of Bruce De Palma - N Machine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krx3dqoxKA0

Of Tesla's variation of the Faraday disk with spiraling grooves...... etc.

There are various theories and as video you linked says relativists say field does spin with the magnet and maxwellians say it does not, in this case relativists are right.

Your "argument" is nonsense. You did not explain the apparent paradox, you did not even present a remotely sensible theory. If you think you have an "explanation" put it forward intelligently and with absolute clarity, if you do so, i will consider it with pleasure.

I don't have an explanation for the apparent paradox at the moment and neither do you. I do however understand induction far far better than you including its more subtle aspects of which you are 100% ignorant. As i wrote before, your colleague was also making wrong claims and he was disproven.

https://pasteboard.co/G39LG6W16pJU.gif

When talking about strange aspects of induction one needs to get into the Vector Potential aka the A field i spoke of countless times around here

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Andersen_AETHER_CONTROL_via_an_understanding_of_ORTHOGONAL_FIELDS.pdf

And also highly relevant is Henry's disovery of two kinds of induction i also recently spoke about again.

https://overunity.com/18391/two-kinds-of-induction-henry/

He has proven that induction contains at least two types of phenomena, one that produces fierce shocks and can be screened by any metal etc, and one weaker which does not produce shocks and cannot be screened by any metal except iron. And his last experiment (number 51) removes all doubt about the clear distinction between the two.

So there is FAR more to induction than you supposed there is.

I guess the rules of induction don't apply to YOU.

You have no idea what induction even is.

And to return to flux variations... Again, it is an undeniable fact variations of flux density are fixed relative to magnet and as magnet spins they spin in sync - field does spin.

Even if it is just 1 gauss difference in one point on the magnet, that point with 1 gauss difference spins in sync with the magnet. You cannot just dismiss this or brush it off or close your eyes and pretend it's not there.

You don't get anything, you have just proven that universe is a delusion for YOU, so YOU enjoy that. You know nothing about time-space mechanics, about gravity and other sub fields. You are not even aware of Earth's spinning etheric vortex. Don't embarrass yourself by attempting to discuss the subject you don't have even the basic knowledge of, let alone the deeper aspects of it (Vector Potential aka A field, Henry's discovery of two aspects of induction etc). And take your own advice, please do everyone on this forum a favor and start taking your meds again.

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Re: Faraday's Paradox experiment
« Reply #309 on: July 02, 2023, 05:39:04 AM »
The paradox is not a yes or no type of thing


It pertains to the frame of reference of the observer.
The magnetic field rotates in its’ own frame of reference
Independently from the rotation of the disk(s) and/or magnet(s)


This is in part from their rotation, but also the impedance of free space,
and the fact that the field is time-dilative by its’ own propagation.
‘disconnected’ from the experiment so to speak


by choice of another frame of reference from which to observe the field,
the true magnetic rotation can be measured.


what must be understood, fully:
we never detect a field
We detect the flux (change) with respect to the ambient or our arbitrary neutral state.
Therefore: the more uniform the field, the less and less we will be able to detect the rotation,
even with the most sensitive of equipment, when observing from the standard perspective.
We are looking for a rotation, but rotating with respect to what?
Not the disk, not the magnet, not us
But rather the space the magnet sits in


The disk sees a uniform field, very much like our instruments
the currents see the field rotation
This was described by Faraday, Foucault, Tesla and others.
The paradox is the perspective, an observation which seems to go against Faraday’s induction




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Re: Faraday's Paradox experiment
« Reply #310 on: July 02, 2023, 07:16:52 AM »
As i said on most fundamental level nothing spins for there is nothing to spin relative to, effect of spin is created by phase difference of 6 axis of time - similar to rotating magnetic field of induction or synchronous motor. Spinning 6-phase time field is the source of everything.

More about 6 axis https://vril12.wordpress.com/6-axis-of-time/

Spin is the very core principle of creation. If zoomed in fabric of space looks like alternating charges.

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Little voids, "bubbles of nothing" flow in this electromagnetic net in lines and spirals, they can take any path Will directs them............... and as they flow in lines and spirals they form force-fields.

This greatly simplifies things that are poorly understood for it shows God creates a "canvas" or "water of creation" by neutralized vibrations aka destructive interference and blows into it near-infinite number of tiny bubbles and all forces, all energy and ultimately "matter" are condensations of these tiny bubbles. Everything else is of secondary importance.

As for orientation of this network, we cannot speak of any particular orientation, it is totally perspective-dependent. So when we hold a magnet at certain angle and we say flux is in this direction, we must remember Earth is rotating around its axis simultaneously rotating around the sun and the center of the galaxy and so on, but all those relative rotations don't really matter cause we are inside Earth's gravity field which is non-inertial just like field of a flying saucer, it can go from 40,000km/h to a stop in a fraction of a second and coffee inside the craft is not spilled, cause all atoms inside the field are accelerated/decelerated simultaneously and uniformly, there is no relative acceleration as in case of accelerating/decelerating car or a plane which glue you to your seat.

So, Earth's gravity bubble moves through time-space at immense velocities in a very very complex pattern, but we feel as if does not move at all.....as gravity field, being a non-inertial field is a world for itself, and as far as it is concerned it does not even move, but everything else moves relative to it.

If there was only Earth in existence question of direction of motion would be nonsensical. For space is infinite and uniform in its properties, there would be no way to tell "which way" we are going.

All these things are important to keep in mind when discussing something like this.

Earth's gravity field is a sub-field aka sub-vortex within Sun's vortex which is a sub-vortex within galactic vortex and so on in similar russian-doll like manner.

As real contactee Elizabeth Klarer says

"Gravity is the push from the hub of the flattened spiral of the cosmic storm that is our galaxy. These waves are oscillating at frequencies thousands of megacycles beyond the visible light spectrum.".

As i also said before Sun is the focal point of primary energy flows. Sun is redistributing them to planets and moons and these primary energy flows are focalizing on planetary neutral centers pressing all matter downward. This is gravity.

Vortex extends in 7 higher (astral) and 7 lower (astral) spheres, each partially interpenetrating the nearby ones (vesica piscis and Jesus's fish).

So, point is space is filled with these universal etheric currents and stars and planets and spacecraft with primary drive are locally polarizing these subtle flows. And wherever the star, planet or spacecraft moves this pattern of polarized primary flows moves with it.

So to go back to question of a magnet and its field, as i have said x times before, physical magnet being made of matter is in reality a condensed - lowest form of trapped universal currents aka primary energy flows, is just a pattern of trapped energy at certain energy level. It is totally invisible for vast majority of primary energy flows flowing through that particular point in space at that particular moment, but for a certain narrow band it is not invisible and it provides resistance to it by impedance mismatch and disharmony. This allows these primary energy currents to discharge part of their energy into form observable to us as magnetic field.

In very similar manner these primary energy flows can be resisted and directly converted into MOTION with spontaneous accompanying generation of a spinning invisible field of force which is literally a gravity field - without producing secondary effects like a magnetic field which itself steps down the gravity vortex flow down into magnetic flow, all forces being one cascading force. It is one and the same primary energy flow resisted in two different ways. Don't you see ALL is just primary energy flows resisted to various degrees, nothing more nothing less.

I have also recently made an important point that gravity field can be present at a point in space without any matter or detectable EM fields. Ask yourself how. Totally impossible according to official theories (and i am not talking about dark matter unless they define dark matter as belonging to higher plane of existence, not this one). For real source is not in this dimension, no matter if the matter and EM fields are present or not, they are secondary effects, not real causes.

As for reference frames, fact is variations in field flux density rotate in sync with the magnet, as i animated here.

https://pasteboard.co/Qtb3OMlqiJvg.gif

Field does rotate (with the magnet). And as i wrote before, magnet is a "resistor" for Earth's vortex aka gravity field stepping it down into magnetic form, just like Earth's vortex is a stepped down form of Sun's vortex and so on. And Earth's gravity field which is literally a vortex of etheric bubbles also most definitely spins, not with the Earth, but Earth spins with IT. Etc. Earth's etheric vorex as shown to contactee Lloyd Zirbes below showing Moon with its subvortex within Earth's vortex, distance and size obviously not to scale. And also illustration from Oahspe showing the edge of Earth's vortex with astral plateaus around it. So it is not even a question whether fields spin with the source, it is an unquestionable fact.

And all these fields are, as i wrote before, patterns in the underlying forcefield.

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