Hi All,

I just got back home and will start working on this combustion chamber tester. I was able to find a small over head valve to build this test chamber that will allow fluid to be pumped into a air chamber and explode like a water rocket.

If this works, it would be a new type of engine I call a fluid piston engine that has no crank shaft or pistons.

Tom

Intriguing concept!
My first thoughts:
You lose the flywheel-like behaviour of solid pistons. With the liquid piston, you have a water hammer with inlet and exhaust strokes. The water rocket is great in that it has one long exhaust stroke.
Spark and combustion timing will be interesting with the variable water volume shifted.

Effectively this solution is competing with a pump from say, a jet ski drivetrain?

Hi All,

Update on this build.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvqdvg0qqo&t=334s

Tom

Just a reminder to those unaware of multifaceted test chamber ,
Sam Leach claim is on “to do”list .


500psi lithium nitrate 20 ppm in water -injected into ICE runs on water ?
2 independent Los Angeles labs verified claim in 1975-6


Tremendous gratitude to Mr.Reed putting this on his busy work schedule!


Respectfully
Chet K

Hi All,

Been doing some more research on Victor Fischer water injected steam engine.

 
 

BASIC STATEMENTS ON

THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS

AS IT RELATES TO THE FISCHER CYCLE ENGINE.







A. IS THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS BEING VIOLATED?

1. The findings of Joule and others led Rudolf Clausius, a German physicist, to state in 1850 that: "In any process, energy can be changed from one form to another (including heat and work), but it is never created or destroyed." This is the First Law of Thermodynamics. The Second Law of Thermodynamics is stated in different ways by various authors. For the purpose of this report, the following statement by Rudolf Clausius is selected: "It is impossible for a self-acting machine, unaided by external agency, to convey heat from a body at one temperature to another body at a higher temperature." The Second Law of Thermodynamics is not capable of specific proof, but is axiomatic. It follows from the Second Law that no heat engine can convert an equal or greater useful power energy from a lesser heat energy source.

2. All Perpetual Motion Machines violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics, and they also, do not produce useful power or work. Thermodynamic Academicians describe the Carnot Cycle Engine (Sadi Carnot in 1824) as the "Ideal Engine." The Carnot Cycle Engine is primarily based on the defunct and extinct Caloric Theory of Heat. In 1738, Daniel Bernoulli describe the Caloric Theory of Heat as follows: "That heat was matter and an imponderable fluid, which readily flowed from a body of high temperature to one of lower temperature." The downfall of the Caloric Theory of Heat was initiated by Sir Benjamin Thompson, Count Rumford in 1798. Unlike the Perpetual Motion Machines, the Carnot Cycle Engine does not violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics. But, a tangible mechanical Carnot Cycle Engine is very much like all Perpetual Motion Machines, since they both produce no useful power or work. The reciprocating steam locomotive engine and the Fischer Cycle Engine are neither Perpetual Motion Machines nor Carnot Cycle Engines, because they both do not violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics, and they both produce useful power and work.

3. The U.S. Patent Office's Primary Examiner, Mr. Allen M. Ostrager initially rejected the Australian Patent Application for the Fischer Cycle Engine because he thought, "...it violated the Second Law of Thermodynamics." Dr. Martin G. Horner, Ph.D. (OXFORD) (Chemistry & Patent Law), Patent Attorney, and the author of the original Australian Fischer Cycle Engine Patents, was able to demonstrate, from his personal observations and experiences, to the satisfaction of the U.S. Patent Office that the Fischer Cycle Engine did produce useful work, and that it did not violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Since that first and only rejection, the U.S. Office of Patents and Trademarks has registered five U.S. Patents pertaining to the Fischer Cycle Engine research and development.
 
 
 
 
 
 

B. THE STEAM ENGINE VS. THE FISCHER CYCLE ENGINE.

1. The reciprocating steam engine is an external heat source and an external vaporization engine. Its steam vapor is produced in an external steam boiler, and the boiler's steam vapor pressure is directly applied to the top surface of the reciprocating steam engine's drive piston to produce power and work.

2. The Fischer Cycle Engine is an external heat source and an internal vaporization engine. Its steam vapor is produced inside the engine's cylinder after the high pressurized and high temperature water, in the liquid state, is directly applied to the top of the engine's drive piston. Before the liquid water is injected into the cylinder (similar to injection of fuel into a diesel engine), the water is first pressurized to a pressure (i.e., 3,100 psig), which is higher than the vapor pressure (i.e., 3,075 psig) of the water at an operating temperature of 700°F within its liquid-to-gas heat exchanger. The pressurized heated liquid water contained within the heat exchanger is directly applied to the top surface of the piston at the top of the piston's stroke in the engine's cylinder. The 3,100 psig liquid water pressure initially applies a hydraulic force to the top surface of the piston to produce work, which is analogous to the reciprocating steam locomotive engine, except that the boiler pressure of a steam locomotive is only about 125 to 250 psig.

3. After a steam engine boiler's steam pressure moves the piston throughout the piston's stroke, the steam is then discharged at the bottom of the piston's stroke as 100 percent steam vapor. This steam vapor is then transferred to a steam condenser, where the steam vapor is transformed into liquid water, to be recycled to the steam boiler. During this liquefying process, all of the steam's Latent Heat of Vaporization (70% to 80% of the initial fuel's heat energy) is wastefully discharged into the atmosphere.

4. In contrast, only about ten percent (10%) of the liquid water mass vaporizes into steam throughout the piston stoke. Therefore, nearly all of the liquid water mass that is injected into the Fischer Cycle Engine’s cylinder is discharged as liquid, to be recycled. This liquid water is returned to the water make-up pump, and is repressurized and reheated to the operating pressure and temperature for another cycle. The Fischer Cycle Engine is significant because it doesn't require licensed steam engineers nor costly and hazardous steam boilers nor wastefully release essential volumes of fresh water and heat energy into the atmosphere, as do the steam engines' large cooling towers.

Rexresearch information on Victor Fischer:

http://www.rexresearch.com/fischer/fischer.htm

I think it's very possible to create a water injected steam engine.

If I have a mechanical small diesel injector, with a heating coil to raise the temperature of 700deg before the injector and after the pump, this in fact would transfer into steam output.

Tom

Hi Russ,

Do you have a running motor on water injected, or a video on YouTube?

I can build just about anything, very good in small and large engines of all types.

Question, did you used distill water? tap water has electrolyte and other junk in it and will discharge like a resister.

I did these experiments over 10 years ago, for I do know how to create the plasma arc...

Tom

Hi Russwr,

Are you saying you have no proof of a running engine on video? I'm willing to test your theories, but some verified video or experiments would help a lot.

HHO is questionable, knowing the effects of HHO and the electrical power just to idle a basic small engine is in the kw range. Maybe plasma would work due to the temperature, but to contain the plasma effects would be questionable also.

Lets not forget the explosion rate being too high to even have enough heat to expand any slow burning IC engine.

I think a more realistic approach would be water injector at a high temperature, Victor Fisher design.

I was hoping you have something to back your claims, video would be very helpful.

Tom