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SolarLab

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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2023, 03:15:39 AM »
Those are Chris's words, unedited! Period!

It appears he sees you guys as two or three year olds as well - that's all!

Take it up with him if you have a problem... Also, read the whole thread.



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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2023, 03:56:40 AM »


Ramset,

Replication instructions; including detailed schematics, fabrication diagrams, parts
lists and sources, can not be presented prior to being completely vetted, tested,
and receiving proper reglatory approval. And that's how it is...

Everyone knows this - if a design were presented prematurely and someone was
injured, or worse, killed - even if it were only a "forum replication" - the presenter
would have his ass sued off - and you all know this! It's the world we now live in
.

So, if anyone thinks, including me, that they want to present a "proof, laboratory
fabrication or whatever" think again. I wasn't born yesturday. Harsh; but also fact!

You can only present ideas, and even then, only to a certain extent. Do you finally
get it!   Probably not... Oh well, that's the way it is!

This concept of "open source" is fine and noble - but try telling that to a Judge or
Jury. Good Luck with that argument
!

If I recall - you're the one who is always concerned about litigation and such.

Why do you think these Trolls keep crying for a prototype or demonstration unit or something
to get their hands on? It sure as hell isn't for "proof of concept" - they've already been given that.

SL

Edit: remove warning reference pdf.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2023, 06:28:59 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2023, 04:16:04 AM »
Solarlab
Yes it’s true that businessmen have these issues
When money is borrowed from ?
Patents applied for …
Lawyers get involved…
Status quo is to be expected !
Also a good method to prevent open source ( lawsuits etc etc)


In this day and age .. artificial intelligence is telling people how to do everything from brain surgery to space travel
YouTube is chock full of hundreds of millions of dicey “how too” videos
Many incredibly dangerous..


A simple open source gain mechanism or proof of concept ?
Please stop trying to justify secrecy in an open source venue with no investor
Money or other litigious incentives…


Besides Gretta and the Green Party and 100’s of millions of  “Gen Z” will steamroll right through any such attempts to hinder!
And Probably bring back the guillotine for those who hindered and hid such technologies …  for their own ego’s or personal gain …


Not just one man’s opinion!
We have needed these techs “forever” … our world and population has payed a sickening price ..
For the greed and maintenance of status quo..

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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2023, 04:23:13 AM »
I'm not stopping any one from open source - but until I'm fully confident that
what I put out there is done properly - it won't happen.

Do you feel the LinGen development and POC was a secret? - Me neither!

You or anyone can use the provided concepts and technical information and
construct your own prorotype. The idea has already been given.

Why do you think these Trolls keep crying for a prototype or demonstration unit or something
a bit more concrete to get their hands on? It sure as hell isn't for "proof of concept" - they've
already been given that.
Edit: remove reference.

SL

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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2023, 04:32:05 AM »
Your Proof Of Concept ( POC) is a bit spread around
i respect your commitment to the work ,
And your stewardship of your resources ( very pricey simulation tech)



Here we just need the simplest possible 100% testable and verifiable gain mechanism
Which can survive the brutal honesty of the scientific method!( which the open source LENR community has no lack of or limit to persons who can properly test .


And many toil ceaselessly… in this FE quest .. many off forums..but ALWAYS with open source as the goal!


They toil as if our future and very existence depends on it ..
Because it does !


Respectfully
Chet K

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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #50 on: May 13, 2023, 05:44:19 AM »
...
Why do you think these Trolls keep crying for a prototype or demonstration unit or something
a bit more concrete to get their hands on? It sure as hell isn't for "proof of concept" - they've
already been given that.
Read the PDF Warning above...

SL

Hey SL,

Re computers. Ever heard the old saying? Garbage in: garbage out. Might apply. Don't know. But all your computer simulation proves is a computer simulation. I doubt it represents what an actual device will do.
Just put a legal c.y.a. disclaimer on the video and show your in-lab proof.
bi

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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #51 on: May 13, 2023, 06:27:59 AM »
Hey,bistander
#35 is only (p.s.-)part II

to #33 blue text field  comment/respond-response/counterview !

Good Morning,bistander
Zero force motor....?  The whole purpose of a motor is to produce force (torque).

(torque) not alone,but (torque x RPM),for comparing the measured results,pony brake teste et cet.


In thread title: generator nullifies EMF....? The whole point of a generator is to produce EMF.

Really,not EMF-conversion ? Beside EMF,MMF !

Doubles efficiency....? Currently high quality electric machinery in the kW or larger sizes, at rated, run 90% efficient. 100kW or larger often >95%. Double that to 180-190%? Come on, really?



90% as peak efficiency and the generator its average efficiency ?
Observe the progressive in-/de-crease,Affinity laws !,from energy in-/con-verter,rotative or non-motive

It is a DC or AC output,by AC the positive AND negative magnetic field conversion ?
Lenz and Fleming,ccw and cw





Let's see what this guy has. If he can prove, or convincingly demonstrate something of value, I could be very interested and in a position to invest.

Time will tell and show it what this and other guies/guys has/have re-/discovered 

wmbr
OCWL


Hi lancaIV,
Sorry I got sidetracked. Back to topic.
Electric Motor. Define. Machine (device) for purpose of energy conversion, electric to mechanical. Energy = Torque * RPM * time. Without torque (to get things rolling, soto speak), no energy conversion happens. Obviously torque is essential. Perhaps most essential. And obviously I use torque for the rotary motor, would be force for linear motor.
Electric Generator. Define. Machine for purpose of energy conversion, mechanical to electric. Energy = EMF * Current * time. Without EMF there will be no load current so no energy, no conversion. EMF is needed to "start" energy.

So what sense is a motor without Torque or a generator without EMF? None. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying you don't need motion, or current, or time to actually have a functioning electromechanical energy conversion machine we call a motor or generator. So why do you read that into what I say?

And about efficiency: note that I qualified the figure "at rated". Meaning at rated output it would operate at that efficiency figure, for example. Example: look at the motor (or generator) nameplate. Of course at loads/speeds other that "rated", efficiency will vary. Always does. Fact. And over a duty cycle there will be an average efficiency figure, and over the performance characteristic of the machine there will be a peak efficiency. True. But how does that enter into the context of what I'm talking about? Can you explain how you can double the efficiency of a motor that operates 95% of the duty cycle above 90% efficient? Does that help clear up my previous remark?

Thanks for joining the conversation.

Was it Linderman, or Bedini came up with zero force motor? Yeah, that's been real useful, hasn't it. NOT.
bi


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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #52 on: May 13, 2023, 07:57:07 PM »
Hello bistander ,
' doubles the efficiency ' is related to :
a.the conventional efficiency from standart NEMA-electric drives !?
b.the grid-controlled steady european 50 Hz = 3000 RPM,60 Hz north-american grid frequency = 3600 RPM

c.electro-magnet incorporated drive without permanent magnets/ drive with permanent magnets

d. as You listen variable speed and torque controler,net-grid DC and or mono- or three or poly-phase AC parameter ( fixed Voltage,fixed Frequency,fixed duty cycle 100%: only amperage as free,on/off switch,factor)

e.displacement current (net-grid surplus provide as negative or positive voltage and negative or positive current delivery ) ompensation (for comerce obligation : feedback cycle )But comerce pays f.eUSA b2b-sector 5¢/KWh,the privates ,b2c,10/15¢ and more per KWh delivery service !

Words,neither my nor Yours shows the application difference by the above incorporated improvements !
Look and compare the used technology  its internal process scheme :

Geral 'power saver'
heatpumps/'inverter'-electric drive
The efficiency improve pioneers like

Subieta-yGarron
http://rac-technologies.de/index.php/history.html
Frank Nola
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=NASA+frank+nola&oq=NASA+frank+nola&aqs=heirloom-srp..

Flynn brothers
https://qmpower.com/


Raser Tech
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=raser+symetron&oq=raser+symetron&aqs=heirloom-srp..

Inrush current/inrush voltage limiter


Which is the real improvement factor in these ' innovations' ?
Calculate the power net input time,pulse ( di-/tri-/,ode gate filter switch ) on,during 1 sec/1 min./1 hour work process ,if not pure DC but fractional power in use !
If not in work process,stand by losts !

Like light dimmer now motor dimmer !

When and how and why could ' inrush current, and inrush voltage maximizing/multiplying ' wishable be !
                                                                         Dirac - EMP - surge/s
                                                                         Dirac-EM-P.ulse Motor Technolgy !?
                                                                         
                                                                         Is 1 pulse 1 signal or two signals  or 1/2 cw and 1/2 ccw ?
                                                                         Vertical,horizontal or diametral im-/ex-plosive/pludive ?
     
                                                                       
                                               4d EE-Reality needs 4d-RealTime Simulation,not apparent 2d/2,5d/3d

Clearly now, known CFL ballast net-grid distortion ,interference from half periods !,grid-independent !
For emergency cases or autonomous living :

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=Uninterruptible+Power+Supply.+&oq=&aqs=heirloom-srp..
wmbr
OCWL

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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2023, 08:33:46 PM »
A two year old video, in a topic of a new commercial one of which the inventor just joined the discussion ;-)


My point is there seems to be some validity to the concept. 

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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #54 on: May 13, 2023, 10:06:36 PM »
Hello bistander ,
' doubles the efficiency ' is related to :
a.the conventional efficiency from standart NEMA-electric drives !?
b.the grid-controlled steady european 50 Hz = 3000 RPM,60 Hz north-american grid frequency = 3600 RPM

c.electro-magnet incorporated drive without permanent magnets/ drive with permanent magnets

d. as You listen variable speed and torque controler,net-grid DC and or mono- or three or poly-phase AC parameter ( fixed Voltage,fixed Frequency,fixed duty cycle 100%: only amperage as free,on/off switch,factor)

e.displacement current (net-grid surplus provide as negative or positive voltage and negative or positive current delivery ) ompensation (for comerce obligation : feedback cycle )But comerce pays f.eUSA b2b-sector 5¢/KWh,the privates ,b2c,10/15¢ and more per KWh delivery service !

Words,neither my nor Yours shows the application difference by the above incorporated improvements !
Look and compare the used technology  its internal process scheme :

Geral 'power saver'
heatpumps/'inverter'-electric drive
The efficiency improve pioneers like

Subieta-yGarron
http://rac-technologies.de/index.php/history.html
Frank Nola
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=NASA+frank+nola&oq=NASA+frank+nola&aqs=heirloom-srp..

Flynn brothers
https://qmpower.com/


Raser Tech
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=raser+symetron&oq=raser+symetron&aqs=heirloom-srp..

Inrush current/inrush voltage limiter


Which is the real improvement factor in these ' innovations' ?
Calculate the power net input time,pulse ( di-/tri-/,ode gate filter switch ) on,during 1 sec/1 min./1 hour work process ,if not pure DC but fractional power in use !
If not in work process,stand by losts !

Like light dimmer now motor dimmer !

When and how and why could ' inrush current, and inrush voltage maximizing/multiplying ' wishable be !
                                                                         Dirac - EMP - surge/s
                                                                         Dirac-EM-P.ulse Motor Technolgy !?
                                                                         
                                                                         Is 1 pulse 1 signal or two signals  or 1/2 cw and 1/2 ccw ?
                                                                         Vertical,horizontal or diametral im-/ex-plosive/pludive ?
     
                                                                       
                                               4d EE-Reality needs 4d-RealTime Simulation,not apparent 2d/2,5d/3d

Clearly now, known CFL ballast net-grid distortion ,interference from half periods !,grid-independent !
For emergency cases or autonomous living :

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=Uninterruptible+Power+Supply.+&oq=&aqs=heirloom-srp..
wmbr
OCWL

Hello lancaIV,
I never said efficiency improvement wasn't desirable or possible. I said "doubling efficiency" of the subject motors and generators is a total impossibility and a ridiculous claim. The only way one might actually be able to double efficiency in this context is to start with a totally misapplied and unrealistic application.

"Double efficiency" is obviously claim of scam
bi

BTW, your referenced pioneer, Razer Technologies, was a scam. I had interaction with them and associates. They may have started with a shred of valid technology but exaggerated and exploited it vastly to gain political advantage for monetary gain knowing full well they would roll under and stick taxpayers and investors with the tab. That happens when proof of claim is not required.

Let's see proof of double efficiency for a properly applied modern motor or generator.

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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #55 on: May 13, 2023, 10:40:04 PM »
Razer,chapter11 and bancruptcy !
Yes,but the technology is as employer,owner,company independent to see ! Free source !What is,in application,rotative, the ' duty cycle' use effect ?
RPM
R= 360°divided poles,rotor,stator magnetic ancors
rotor : em ? pm? epm ?        epm = coil wrapped permanent magnet
stator : em ? pm ? epm?

https://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3826970&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

The power requirement, whether for one attraction impulse or for many, remains constant, even if the number of attraction impulses is up to several thousand per minute, because the attraction impulses occur in sequence, in fractions of a second.
So there are never several attraction impulses at the same time.

So the power generator only ever has to supply the power for one electromagnet.
Thid claim was tested,with capacitive magnets
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Envez&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search

Beside Becker,also Tesla and Plauson research included and tested !
40. and 41.
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Otto+traun+&IN=&CPC=&IC=




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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #56 on: May 13, 2023, 11:04:54 PM »
Detailed Proof Road Map

Bi, please help us out here,

Being a self-professed expert on "Proofs," please compile a detailed description of
what exactly you consider a "Proof" or POC. 

Use Specific Requirements, in bullet form, with details. Then give technical examples,
in a detailed Flow Chart Diagram with respect to accomplishing these so called
Proofs.

Also include a Gantt Chart of the process flow; and finally, your estimates of the
costs to complete this entire Proof scenario.

Thanks in advance - it will help everyone when attempting to provide a Proof
that You consider acceptable and save everyone a lot of time and effort, thus
removing the guess work and any ambiguity. Right now it's like hugging jello!

We all look forward to receiving and reviewing your work-product.

This will definitely help us in securing your investment offers, and such... A more
than fair request considering the potential for a very "High Reward" ROI.   

Regards,

SL

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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2023, 11:44:24 PM »
Detailed Proof Road Map

Bi, please help us out here,

Being a self-professed expert on "Proofs," please compile a detailed description of
what exactly you consider a "Proof" or POC. 

Use Specific Requirements, in bullet form, with details. Then give technical examples,
in a detailed Flow Chart Diagram with respect to accomplishing these so called
Proofs.

Also include a Gantt Chart of the process flow; and finally, your estimates of the
costs to complete this entire Proof scenario.

Thanks in advance - it will help everyone when attempting to provide a Proof
that You consider acceptable and save everyone a lot of time and effort, thus
removing the guess work and any ambiguity. Right now it's like hugging jello!

We all look forward to receiving and reviewing your work-product.

This will definitely help us in securing your investment offers, and such... A more
than fair request considering the potential for a very "High Reward" ROI.   

Regards,

SL

Hi SL,

I think Willy outlined it well when he wrote:

Quote
Second, it is up to you (the presenter) to prove or show experimentally
any O.U. results you might claim.

Third, It is not up to others (i.e. bistander) to disprove O.U. claims.  It is reasonable
that the burden of proof rest upon any claimant of what is extra ordinary, to demonstrate
and CLEARLY AND PLAINLY describe their method or device,

and

to show measurements along with the methods of how those measurements were taken.

 best wishes
          floor

So let's start with that. BTW, what did you use when you determined that you had done this:

...
I'm probably the only one here who has shown and
proven (using CAE and in the lab) an "excess Energy" device -
...
SL

Why not show your documentation and data from that proof?

A sincere effort to show real time simultaneous input and output power for a sustained period of at least a few minutes. That may not be sufficient to entice me to invest funds, but would convince me to take you, and Holcomb, seriously.

Thank you and regards,
bi

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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2023, 11:58:35 PM »
Bi,

Thanks - I was looking for a bit more technical detail - lots of general words, etc.
but absolutely no detail - but thanks anyway.

Some thing like - here's our criteria, in detail, that proves the concept - much like
you would see during a design review for a Space Vehicle, a Bridge, or a High Rise - since
it's hard to "prove" until it's actually build and launched - and by then it's too late!

You don't think you just sketch things out and launch them do you? How do you think
the Professionals ensure the design is a good one for large complex projects, or even
small technical projects, before securing funds or building?

Well, you're right - just like Boeing, Spar Aerospace, P&H, and yes LinGen - CAE Analysis.

Oh well - I asked - and you answered - so thanks! With respect to publishing any details;
my requirements have been outlined in some of the posts above - not until it's perfected, 
safe from litigation, meets regulatory requirements, and so forth. (a.k.a. - CYA)
 
We're obviously just from two very different Worlds, and that's OK!    I can appreciate that.

You probably do as well - especially if you fly or drive a modern car or cross a bridge or
take the elevator in a high rise... Even small kitchen appliances employ CAE validations
before any prototyping - confirms the POC before ever picking up a soldering iron. 

Good luck in your investing...

SL

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Re: ZERG generator nullifies EMF with field, "doubles input efficiency"
« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2023, 01:05:59 AM »
Bi,

Thanks - I was looking for a bit more technical detail - lots of general words, etc.
but absolutely no detail - but thanks anyway.

Some thing like - here's our criteria, in detail, that proves the concept - much like
you would see during a design review for a space vehicle, a bridge, or a High Rise - since
it's hard to prove until it's actually build and launched - and by then it's too late!

You don't think you just sketch things out and launch them do you? How do you think
the professionals ensure the design is a good one for large complex projects, or even
small technical projects, before securing funds?

Well, you're right - just like Boeing, Spar Aerospace, P&H, and yes LinGen - CAE Analysis.

Oh well - I asked - and you answered - so thanks! With respect to publishing an details;
my requirements have been detailed in some of the posts above - not until it's perfected, 
and safe from litigation, and so forth.
 
We're just from two very different Worlds, and that's OK!     I can appreciate that.

You probably do as well - especially if you fly or drive a modern car or cross a bridge or
take the elevator in a high rise...

Good luck in your investing...

SL

SL,
What's wrong with this?

Hi SL,
...
... what did you use when you determined that you had done this:

...
I'm probably the only one here who has shown and
proven (using CAE and in the lab) an "excess Energy" device -
...
SL
Why not show your documentation and data from that proof?

A sincere effort to show real time simultaneous input and output power for a sustained period of at least a few minutes.
...

Can't you pull up your lab log, copy and paste the data here with the photos. Or simply repeat the same test. That's all I'm asking. Proof of your claim. Nothing exotic. Just accurate input and output power, like you would have needed to conclude that you had proven it in the lab.

You made the claim based on a test right? Show it to us, or repeat it and show that to us. What is wrong with that?

bi