There are many posters here and in countless other boards working, experimenting, trying for OU devices.

Let?s say one or more, has finally found the way and built a demonstrable device that passes all the scrutinizes and creates free energy.

What?s next? And Why?
1.   Give it to the world for free? (yes/no)
2.   Or does he/she needs to be fairly rewarded for the discovery? (yes/no)

There are arguments about saving the world and making public/posting it across all sites possible plans and all, so if the answer is yes, then nothing more to discuss.

If the answer to 1 is no, please expand your thoughts.
But what of the inventor? Let?s say he/she spent his life savings and a significant portion of his life time to develop and build such a device. Doesn?t there need to be a reward?
Is he expected to do this just for charity and then fade away? That person had to fight hordes of naysayers and now he is supposed to help them out for free? His life was threatened, people ridiculed him. It was an uphill battle. We all know the stories some fist hand.

If the answer to 2 is yes, then how much?
What price does the ?world? must offer him to get the benefits of such a device?
Doesn?t his family deserve a better future? Enjoy life, good health, better amenities? More free time to enjoy instead of laboring 9-5 plus travel to make someone else rich?
Is there a price tag on that?

There are few organizations, and possible venture capitalists out there who would fund such a development. What is he to do? Sign over the designs for 1 million $$$, a billion?(just a figure,  or whatever). Then the technology is not be heard again.?

Some of these thoughts have been sparked after the Agimex  CRUSS , Russian developments, references on another thread. The deal was for 170 mill and nothing since?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1899.0.html

There are others too, some from reading the SM devices threads (talks about multimillion deals there) but nothing very clear on the device so it can be readily replicated. Or anything on the market.
BTW, My greatest respect and kudos to all of us who trying here and elsewhere.

The specific device is unimportant to this thread. ( these 2 above are just simple quick examples)



What do you all think? What would you do and why?

My thought on the issue is very simple. I would give it away for everyone to see and use. The fact that people have died over this type of research makes it abundantly clear that such information needs to be released and printed everywhere possible, as quickly as possible.

Somebody like poor Stan Meyers, I look upon as unfortunately a man of greed. Even though his end was justified, he still would not release the truth unless HE earned the CASH. I know he tried to get his process into production, but he still held the details with an iron fist. "Jesus Christ is Lord" may have been on his dune buggy, but now he is dead and mankind is no better for it. He may well as not have lived at all as far as history is concerned. Now somebody else has to discover it all over again.

If you only care about yourself and MONEY, then your research is doomed to disappear. You may or may not survive, but in the end your effort will not benefit mankind.

This only shows me that it is our own human failings that hold mankind to the type of energy slavery we have today. Big Black Oil holds us by the throat, and only by human sacrifice and charity will we overcome its grip. Just let it go, tell everybody, and disappear into obscurity. That is mankind's only hope for freedom.

Thanks for your interest.

When we will work for an funktional and effective OU-system,
then we will need the patent award:
because the developpment of the system parts will cost money,
and you know that the commercial industry take a lot of money
for prototyp(e) level orders !
Do not be concerned about "soft" thinker,
anybody who think about free publikation,
they do not know reality,
if you have the chance,try to receive the patent award,
not the privat(e) consumer sector,but the industrial sector will be your
greatest concurrence !
Without award they will instandly replicating your invention,
and marketing under their conditions !
With own award you can mandate about worldwide selling conditions !
But: The commercial Patent Award is same like philological the "Dr."-degree,
it is not so easy as anybody think ! New Technical Standart !

In commercial value : the 1 EURO cent/KWH  e-generator,
as first step target !

S
  dL

p.s.:To our OU-administrator :"Patente sind Scheisse !"
       Without Patent-Law-power we can not get "ORDER"-POWER !

     

Right, get the patent.

Stan Meyers had a load of international patents.

Now he's dead and the patents don't work.

He went for the patents because he wanted the money. It did him no good, and it did the world no good either.

The way I see it, if a process of valid overunity is discovered, it needs to get out to the people as soon as possible so it can begin to be used and spread by the average tinkerer.
Forget the patent, just release the information so people can begin seeing that it works. Then everyone will start doing it, and even if after that someone patents it, it will be too late. Everyone will just start using it themselves.

Patents only control the earnings. If you do it on your own without trying to make money then no one can stop you. No one except the Government; but by then it will be too late to stop.

Forget it everyone. Open your hearts and do this for the world, mankind, and the freedom of your children.

Introduce the 0,75 Euro cent/KWH P.O.D.- Generator:
you will receive a worldwide "e-Imperator" level !
You will be more important than  Mr. Gates or Mr. Buffet !
0.75 Eurocent/KWH is Thorvald L.-price/value level !
Do not be afraid about scepticians !

S
  dL

I think what ResinRat is trying to say is maybe the best reward for such work is not money, but the dawning of a new age for humanity. While that cost/kWh may not be reached by one of us, if we publish and spread the word in a "open source" manor, some corporation will fill that market once the info is out there in the public. The trick to initiating this energy revolution will be making an exact process known to anyone willing to hear it once the technology is developed. If you can store and distribute the information fast enough there is no way to prevent those with pure intentions and funding from furthering our research.

If the goal is "free" energy one can't expect to turn any profit either...
~Dingus

Everyone is overlooking the obvious...

If the idea works and there is no patent sell kits and give away plans. There will always be people like us willing to spend a few hundred dollars to confirm or replicate anything that looks interesting. I Don't know about everyone else here but in my 3-5 years of research I've probably only invested a grand or two in to prototypes, reseach, and equipment. I think thats a minimal price for the richness this hobby adds to my life.

As for a FE researchers grant... It would never work... Too many people would take advantage, and not enough people would chip in. Plus who would decide who got the money? Sounds like it would become an animal farm analogy quickly. Think about it you're talking about paying a researchers living expenses... Anyone who needs that kind of funding needs to get a job in the field.

For now those who are more fortunate than fellow researchers in any given project can help fund people working on the same project. This ensures a dedicated team and all build information and costs are shared as a group. If all researchers are working on a seperate aspect of the same device this will also ensure ability to confirm results quickly and more rapid development stages.

Treat each project team as its own community and between the active team members you will be able to fund most if not all projects without any grants.

If the goal is "free" energy one can't expect to turn any profit...
~Dingus

There is no one answer as a yes or a no.

It depends on the level of complexity of the device, does it require proprietary physical attributes that only a few companies can make, its size, if its 2 tons and produces 400 watts or if its hand size and produces 5000 watts. Do you need a degree in physics to understand it or can anyone apply it with standard peripherals. Eventually, you will have a myriad of methods to obtain free energy and one will suit your particular needs.

Also, the inventors story, years of work, level of debt, marital stress and emotional attitude, phobias, paranoias, I am god syndrome, gold digger entourages who have some financial vested interests, paranoia from getting your idea stolen, building prototypes, paying for patenting, paranoia again, doing demos for investors to take the next step always afraid that you will be either ridiculed or taken advantage of. These are all reality day to day struggles that inventors live with.

Also the age of the inventors. When you are in your late 60 or 70's, your outlook and urgency on the world will be different than the 20-30 year old inventor.

Ideally, this invention will be complex in its most intricate level, but simple to apply in its most outer level. So simple, that regular industry will understand it and be able to apply it in their machinations. The simpler the better.

I would speculate that such inventions will occur in varying levels.

If a TPU was advertised today, I am sure the governments will do all they can to eradicate it, because a hand held TPU would be considered a level 3 OU device, because of its compact size, power generating potential and a potential threat citing national security.

If the invention was a mechanical betterment of a physical motion producing OU that is then translated from motion to energy generation in a loop type formation, using most components already available on the market, regardless of 50-60hz and/or ac/dc current, such an invention is the ideal level 1 for an OU device. It will enable people to gradually enter this new potential without undertaking a peak learning curve. Such a device wll not be considered a potential threat givem its major design. If a device was using fusion, chemical reactions or other unstable reactions, this would be considered a level two device and again could go either way in its acceptance.

This is what will make everything else fly. Cars will start to move without oil, homes will function with the grid as backup, etc. So the ideal invention will not turn the world upside down, it will enable the world to keep turning but at a gradually shifting rate.

If the inventor is smart, he will patent it not as an OU device but as a general apparatus with some other logical excuse for its existence. Such a device patented will then open the door for usage of the device under its many disguises, until such time as enough people have latched on and the device is beginning to be used out in the open. By then it will be too late to try and puff it out. You have to realize that given the information age works both ways. OU proponents are quickly informed but so are the inhibitors. So playing dumb may be a blessing.

But all must understand that although the inventor will have devised one of the worlds most remarkable inventions, this does not mean that the person himself is remarkable. People are people, not gods. They have theirs faults, fears, skeletons in closets, regrets as well as aspirations, wants, needs and all sorts of obligations. Some inventors are extremely smart, but in  human terms can be the most hated character around, being hard to work with, reason with and deal with. So expecting altruism from a prick, regardless of his brain power is a no go. Some inventors have spent so much energy on developing their designs, that the though of all those years of surmounting so many obstacles does play its toll on a persons continued will to bring it too market. All those years, finally patented, finally a warehouse of product and this equals 15% of the work required to bring it to market. It's one damn big job, and once you have publicly committed to it, turning back the clock is impossible.

I only wish that the inventor in question has at least one person in his entourage who is honest enough to help him work these things out.