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### Author Topic: TopRuslan  (Read 29839 times)

#### Dog-One

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##### Re: TopRuslan 49
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2023, 10:25:58 AM »
Question is then:  Stable for what reason?

I used to think the frequency of the Tesla coil was important, not so
sure anymore.  The output of the Tesla coil functions as an antenna
to the grenade coil, more specifically, a capacitor plate.  I have a hunch
the output frequency can drift somewhat, but must keep the capacitance
on the output (antenna) charged at all times.  When he touches that
output point and dissipates the charge, POOF!  The system stops.

So to me stability means potential, not frequency.  You have to
maintain the voltage on the output capacitor plate at all times.
It doesn't matter what the frequency is, you just need the voltage
there.

If that's the case, I think the Tesla coil is free running at whatever
optimal frequency it likes to run at.  If the capacitance changes
on the output, the frequency will naturally change to stay with it.

Keeping that output charged is why Ruslan stressed unipolar output.
Because if the Tesla coil was emitting AC, you would never charge
that capacitor plate--"Telsa will take back what she gives."

Looking at that little Tesla coil, it has to be operating at many
times faster than the push-pull and if the output is unipolar, it's
basically pulsed DC where the capacitor plate acts as a smoothing
cap, so it never discharges or swaps polarity.  Makes me wonder
if a simple HV transformer with a multiplier would provide the
same effect. Probably won't work--just a crazy thought.

#### Dog-One

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##### Re: TopRuslan 49
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2023, 11:15:41 AM »

Grenade swings the standing wave... as stated by Ruslan... kacher is infact the exciter.

You are definitely on top this device.

So the grenade coil is where we produce the standing waves.
One wave of high current, moderate voltage comes from the
push-pull.  The other wave of high voltage, low current comes
from the Tesla coil.  The anti-node of the standing wave has to
develop at the load.  And to me, this load needs to be a bridge
rectifier and filter capacitor down to DC so that it is fixed at a
stable distance from the grenade coil.  Connected to this bridge
rectifier and filter capacitor, we need a fixed load so that the
end of the transmission line has a fixed impedance, that way
we don't end up chasing an anti-node that is moving all over
the place.

With the above in mind, what characteristics does our grenade
coil have to have?  We are talking about a transmission line
closed on one end and mostly closed on the other.  Inside this
transmission line will be where our input waves cycle back-n-forth
with consistent nodes and anti-nodes that we can physically
predict where they are--with an anti-node positioned exactly at
our load.  When I say waves, I'm not fully clear on what those
are.  We have both current and voltage amplitudes.  So an
anti-node of what are we looking for?  Just current?  Just voltage?
Will the current and voltage be in-phase?

Next, what frequencies do we need the push-pull and Tesla coil
to operate at?  How do we select a bandwidth so that any drift still
keeps an anti-node positioned at our load?  To me it is apparent
there is no reason to have each component to the standing wave
operate at the same frequency--one just needs to be a multiple
of the other; both have to fully fit within the transmission line.
It makes sense to tackle the more difficult one first.
On the push-pull side, the wavelength is so large, if we miss
getting a peak amplitude focused at the load, we're screwed
immediately.  The Tesla side will have a much smaller wavelength so
it will be touchy.  Getting a peak amplitude focused at the load and
staying there will take some serious work.  The next challenge will
be to get both peak amplitudes to be the same polarity so when they

In looking at this from a different perspective, scale seems critical.
There is only a certain region in which the components we can get
our hands on will work reliably.  A small device will have frequencies
we cannot deal with and a large device will have displacement currents
that destroy the wiring.  I think Ruslan has focused us in about the
best power output size where we might have a chance of success.
Which is fine by me if we can replicate these things reliably and just
make them for any device that needs power.

Sure wish I could get Ruslan to comment on what I'm saying here and
correct my mistakes.  It would save us a boatload of trouble.

#### apecore

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##### Re: TopRuslan
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2023, 11:36:24 AM »
Dog- one,
I see a lot of questions and test oppertunities.
Current and voltage are in phase.
Some strange things can be noted.

Would be nice if we can clearify your discussion points with the help of my setup

#### Dog-One

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##### Re: TopRuslan
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2023, 12:29:47 PM »

Here?  I don't see anything recent.

Would be nice if we can clarify your discussion points with the help of my setup

If we look at the grenade coil as a transmission line, the resonant
frequency is telling us the length of the line and the velocity factor
all in one combined value.  So it essentially says:  Put X frequency
into this transmission line and it will exactly fit with a node on
each end.  A node can either be a negative to positive zero cross transition,
or a positive to negative zero cross transition.

Normally a transmission line can be any length because we typically
only input from one side and output from the other.  But here, things
are different.  In the grenade, the wave is going to reflect back-n-forth
off of each end with a low impedance on one end and zero impedance
on the other end.  We get full reflection off the 0 Ohm side and partial
reflection off the output side.  We also don't input our signal into one
side or the other.  We input our two signals somewhere in between
over a span of the transmission line.  So now things are getting really
complicated to figure out what the heck is going on inside the grenade
coil.  We must have a way to probe this thing since we can't see the
wave motion.  And even with our probes we still need to see in our
heads what is really happening inside.  It's almost like we have to
process a mental deconvolution function.

What does seem apparent to me are the waves have to align and the
nodes have to always sit in the same locations.  To do that, timing is
extremely critical and any delays have to be calculated exactly and
then we need a method to test with our probes to ensure they are
spot on.  Thirty centimeters is only one nanosecond when we consider
node positioning--more than 30cm when we apply a velocity factor.
This is where I get hung up.  There's no way a 50Khz push-pull wave
could fit inside the grenade coil.  A 2Mhz wave from a Tesla coil, yeah,
that could fit.  So if the high current wave from the push-pull cannot
fit, there would have to be blanking time from the Tesla coil until the
polarity of the push-pull swaps.  If somebody really understands how
this works, I'd like to hear an explanation.  Because to me looking at
the wavelengths involved, I don't see any real standing wave here at
all, just basic modulation.

#### apecore

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##### Re: TopRuslan
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2023, 12:52:34 PM »
You are right.

Inductor loop frequency never fit inside grenade wire.
I see the kacher wave apear on the inductor sinewave.

What I understand us that inductor frequency needs to be an odd sub harmonic from grenade frequency.
In order to hit (pulsig by PP) occurs at same moment as kacher does.

My vids are in the drive.
Added one doing the Ruslan method with 'open connection signal generater' in order to see if it matches with my 2Mhz point.

#### apecore

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##### Re: TopRuslan
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2023, 12:56:53 PM »
Also don't forget low inductance grenade will not take the magnetic field from the inductor
I have that situation.
Its a cap not a coil

#### r2fpl

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##### Re: TopRuslan
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2023, 01:22:05 PM »
The output for LED bulbs can be any. E.g. 100-300V AC or DC / 50-... kHz/Mhz
LED bulbs can also be modified. There are many possibilities of deception but I hope that the device is real but still has additional support.
let's think: Ruslan has been sitting in the same room for at least 10 years. Isn't that weird. If the device was real and used, for example, the energy of the sun or another wave source, and not an artificial transmitter, it would have been somewhere else a long time ago.
It's really very disturbing that we're sitting here coming up with a theory to justify his device. We adapt everything we know to make it work for us. He laughs at us saying that the odds are 1:1,000,000.

#### NickZ

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##### Re: TopRuslan
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2023, 01:53:04 PM »
Neither kapanadze, Akula, or Ruslan knew how this device works, but, they built it and got it self running.  Same with Stalker and Adrian Gustav. That is what we need to do, as well. Then once it's working, we can come up with the how and why it works. You can't just sit there and think that you know how, beforehand. Even if you were told or read up on how it works, and there is much written about that already. That has not helped too much, up to now. So, what's "next"? More empty theories?  You can also keep an eye on Andrey245 on YT. He is now building up this device. And it's looking nice and clean and well built, so far.
NickZ

#### AlienGrey

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##### Re: TopRuslan
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2023, 02:39:35 PM »
Yeah well thank you Meredith for that !

Now look up  ambient powered ac amplifier and oscillator square wave generator.

and no i haven't got involved with it.

Sil

#### apecore

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##### Re: TopRuslan
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2023, 02:55:11 PM »
Neither kapanadze, Akula, or Ruslan knew how this device works, but, they built it and got it self running.  Same with Stalker and Adrian Gustav. That is what we need to do, as well. Then once it's working, we can come up with the how and why it works. You can't just sit there and think that you know how, beforehand. Even if you were told or read up on how it works, and there is much written about that already. That has not helped too much, up to now. So, what's "next"? More empty theories?  You can also keep an eye on Andrey245 on YT. He is now building up this device. And it's looking nice and clean and well built, so far.
NickZ

NickZ,
I want to experiment in a way to engineer a working device.
When ou we ll see what happens.... but most exciting is doing the research and discussions with people like Dog-one and Lost bro.
I d like to discover... lets see it like that

#### Dog-One

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##### Re: TopRuslan
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2023, 03:16:42 PM »
Okay apecore, let me ask you a small question...

Can I wind a small, simple grenade coil, connect it to my precision
signal generator and witness the effect we are looking for by creating
the proper input signals?   Is that something possible?

You mentioned subharmonic which is still multiples of frequency--
kind of makes sense but I'll have to think about it some more.
An odd subharmonic would mean the average amplitude within
the grenade coil is not zero.  Sounds necessary to me.

And yes, the two input signals are more than likely capacitively
coupled, at least one of them for certain.

What I need to do is strip things down from a fully operational unit
to a test platform where I have at least a chance better than one
in a million of hitting the proper operating conditions.  Once I see
a full power system build-out.

To me, this whole mixing of inputs concept is fascinating.  I'd just
like to be able to do it, more than once and maybe even show others
how as well.  It's the only way I can imagine to get a power gain
using electronic components.

#### apecore

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##### Re: TopRuslan
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2023, 03:48:41 PM »
Dog-one,

I did that but it needs to be connected as a DUT.
But it is complicater then that
What i did today is hook up the next parameters in DUT mode

Voltage at antenne.. here i connected the signal generator als
Voltage kacher secondary (before ferrite)
Voltage grenade  layer 1 side to ground

I used a sinewave 10Vpp

First thing i saw was that there was no resonance situation at the 2.0Mhz which i tought to have obtained.

In the frequency range between 1 and  9 Mhz i saw some eye opening frequency points.
Here is where you have to come in.

I' post the results in a moment
« Last Edit: March 25, 2023, 05:55:46 PM by apecore »

#### NickZ

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##### Re: TopRuslan
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2023, 04:38:00 PM »
A Kacher circuit will not operate well at 9MHz. My simple Kacher runs best between 950KHz and 1.2MHz.Depending on the grenade frequency. My grenade runs best at 1.8KHz.
I have never seen any one showing a replication using the same grenade to kacher resonant frequencies. Have you? Every self runner is running at totally different frequencies. What does that tell you, not much right?  BTW: I also like to experiment, but after years of doing so, I would really like to see some useable practical results. As I don't expect the grid system to hold up, much longer. Even though I don't pay anything for electricity, currently. I am still interested FE devices. And obtaining energy out of thin air.
NickZ

#### Dog-One

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##### Re: TopRuslan
« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2023, 04:58:59 PM »
I am still interested FE devices. And obtaining energy out of thin air.

Me too.  And even if I can't power my lab with it, I'd still like to
know with certainty it can be done and that I know how to do it.
Then I can croak some day with smile knowing what this world
could have been, had it not been crawling with creatures that hate
my freedoms.

#### AlienGrey

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##### Re: TopRuslan
« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2023, 05:03:50 PM »
What your forgetting is back in the 1910s they were using spark gap transmitters and telegraph down an earth and pole line and so was That Adrian had to generate his own spikes of high voltage. And the Moray device was about parallel inductive resonance rather than (capacitance) light bulbs were inductors and so were electric heaters  and fans were part of the matching inductance.

by the way Did any of you bother to look up that postings that are youtube ?
any way i think i'm going to have too cut you guys lose if your not interested as i have other things to do.

Sil
« Last Edit: March 25, 2023, 07:58:52 PM by AlienGrey »