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Author Topic: The Secrets Of Back EMF  (Read 8875 times)

joellagace

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The Secrets Of Back EMF
« on: March 19, 2023, 10:51:24 PM »
I would like to share my findings, this information is very worthwhile but my video explaining what I learned over the winter runs for 30 minutes. It answers many questions and opens the door to new possibilities .I explain how this system can be self sustained, some details on the background of my existing inventions and experiments. Since people are interested, this is a big message and could change the way we all live our regular lives and help the planet

https://youtu.be/6TvkTgjHn2M

Overall, the key aspect of the method, is the use of the back EMF feedback loop to amplify and accumulate energy over time, resulting in a significant increase in power output compared to a simple inductor.


bistander

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Re: The Secrets Of Back EMF
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2023, 01:56:40 AM »
Sorry, but I can't understand or follow that video. You start right off drawing something. Is it supposed to depict what's shown in my attachment? Second attachment is the page from where it was found, which is a university lesson. I think science/engineering has a thorough understanding of this without secrets.
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Re: The Secrets Of Back EMF
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2023, 02:06:42 AM »
back EMF voltage can be lower than the pulse voltage, the key aspect to consider here is the feedback loop in the system. The back EMF spike is not simply a passive result of the collapsing magnetic field of the coil, but rather it is utilized as a trigger for the next pulse of energy to be released from the power source. The feedback loop of two coils allows for the amplification and accumulation of the back EMF spikes over time, which can result in a significant increase in power output.

Overall, the key aspect of my topic is the use of the back EMF feedback loop to amplify and accumulate energy over time, resulting in a significant increase in power output compared to a simple inductor.

bistander

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Re: The Secrets Of Back EMF
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2023, 02:42:12 AM »
I think you make up a definition of "back emf" and talk a bunch of gibberish without a clue. Good luck. I'm outta here.
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Re: The Secrets Of Back EMF
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2023, 03:12:14 AM »
I think you make up a definition of "back emf" and talk a bunch of gibberish without a clue. Good luck. I'm outta here.
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Thank you for taking the time to read about my methods. I appreciate your feedback, but I would appreciate it even more if you could provide more specific details and evidence to support your claim that my definition of 'back emf' is incorrect and that my explanations are gibberish. I am open to constructive criticism and would like to have a productive discussion to improve my understanding and work

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Re: The Secrets Of Back EMF
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2023, 03:28:17 AM »
Looking forward to see where you're taking this Joel. It's very intriguing.

Keep up the good work!

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bistander

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Re: The Secrets Of Back EMF
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2023, 05:01:13 AM »
Here you go. And the attachment to my prior post defines it well. It sure does not sound like what you go on about. Do you have a well written definition, description and analysis of your theory?
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I read this:  https://overunity.com/19420/self-powered-back-emf-generator/msg575259/#msg575259
 
So my issue is one of your use of terminology, like "back EMF". There are other examples. I see where this has been mentioned by other members to you. I don't discourage you, just don't see secrets of or generation of "back EMF" in what you describe. You should call it something else in my opinion. Carry on and good luck.
(Perhaps name it after yourself)

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Re: The Secrets Of Back EMF
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2023, 08:39:51 AM »
The focus of my topic is how to take advantage of back emf and use it as a feedback loop with the help of a dual coil system. I explain this kind of feedback loop. This is the mechanism I talk about when refer to "secret" If you would have watched the video as you would understand why I call it as such, I could have used any other word to describe "rare" as I have not found ample info regarding this kind of a loop with back emf systems. Most people stick with external triggers that are only one shot events. My methods offer alternative, Is self sustainable and does not "warp" the terminally or working principles of back emf whatsoever. The science and physics that I use are sound and well founded. Part of science is being able to take some existing ideas and well founded concepts and make them work together to produce different and beneficial effects.

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Re: The Secrets Of Back EMF
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2023, 10:27:05 AM »
Many thanks to Joellagace for sharing his experience of charging batteries with capacitor discharge.

I probably know what the problem is in the video.
Inductance, not a brief 'trigger', can produce a relatively high back EMF.
As described in Bistander's profile.
The BEMF generated when the transistor is opened is determined by the last stored energy in the inductor.
The energy in the inductor is obtained by integrating the inductor current during the transistor's on-turn-on.
A short 'trigger' can only produce a shorter BEMF.
These are energy issues, not just voltage issues.
Energy is the product of three parameters: voltage, current, and time.
And the current in the inductor varies over time (the simplest DC system).

Experiments with two coils will show the actual effect.

Thank you

bistander

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Re: The Secrets Of Back EMF
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2023, 10:54:02 AM »
Many thanks to Joellagace for sharing his experience of charging batteries with capacitor discharge.

I probably know what the problem is in the video.
Inductance, not a brief 'trigger', can produce a relatively high back EMF.
As described in Bistander's profile.
The BEMF generated when the transistor is opened is determined by the last stored energy in the inductor.
The energy in the inductor is obtained by integrating the inductor current during the transistor's on-turn-on.
A short 'trigger' can only produce a shorter BEMF.
These are energy issues, not just voltage issues.
Energy is the product of three parameters: voltage, current, and time.
And the current in the inductor varies over time (the simplest DC system).

Experiments with two coils will show the actual effect.

Thank you

Thank you panyuming. That's the problem. The terminology is being used incorrectly such that it appears to make no sense at all. It's like saying to make a salad using voltage. WTH?

"warp" the terminally or working principles of back emf whatsoever

What does this mean. Show the "well founded principle".

So please, go do whatever. I'll just standby and not interfere.
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Re: The Secrets Of Back EMF
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2023, 01:04:16 PM »
Thank you panyuming. That's the problem. The terminology is being used incorrectly such that it appears to make no sense at all. It's like saying to make a salad using voltage. WTH?


Thank you. I understand that there may be confusion regarding the terminology I am using, and I would like to clarify any misunderstandings. Could you please explain specifically which part of my explanation regarding the back emf trigger you believe to be incorrect, and how it may be misused in my situation? due to a lack of understanding? I appreciate your input and want to make sure I am conveying my device principles accurately."

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Re: The Secrets Of Back EMF
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2023, 01:10:50 PM »
Many thanks to Joellagace for sharing his experience of charging batteries with capacitor discharge.

I probably know what the problem is in the video.
Inductance, not a brief 'trigger', can produce a relatively high back EMF.
As described in Bistander's profile.
The BEMF generated when the transistor is opened is determined by the last stored energy in the inductor.
The energy in the inductor is obtained by integrating the inductor current during the transistor's on-turn-on.
A short 'trigger' can only produce a shorter BEMF.
These are energy issues, not just voltage issues.
Energy is the product of three parameters: voltage, current, and time.
And the current in the inductor varies over time (the simplest DC system).

Experiments with two coils will show the actual effect.

Thank you
I understand the concerns you have raised regarding inductance and back EMF. However, please keep in mind that my invention is designed to utilize the back EMF feedback loop in a unique and efficient way, which is based on extensively tested and verified science. The trigger I mentioned is not the voltage output, but rather a momentary signal that starts the feedback loop, which is then self-sustaining.

I appreciate your insights on energy parameters and how they relate to inductors. Thanks!

panyuming

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Re: The Secrets Of Back EMF
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2023, 01:42:39 PM »
which is based on extensively tested and verified science.

Very good!
I just know some general knowledge that may not apply to OU technology.

Looking forward to your success and sharing.
Thanks again!

alan

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Re: The Secrets Of Back EMF
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2023, 03:33:17 PM »
Tinman's The rotary transformer V3 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmJr4_gHygo
« Last Edit: March 20, 2023, 11:03:40 PM by alan »

bistander

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Re: The Secrets Of Back EMF
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2023, 03:50:13 PM »
I am sorry but I can't make sense out of something which makes no sense.
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It's like asking you to make sense out of this post:

https://overunity.com/19405/magnetic-flux-motor-just-patented-that-creates-its-own-electricity/msg574797/#msg574797 
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