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Author Topic: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)  (Read 88856 times)

Offline drspark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #90 on: March 19, 2007, 09:27:06 PM »
Stephan

scope is working, im cropping and anotating photos now  i left the battery on it
few more mins  one done 3 to go...

Spark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #91 on: March 19, 2007, 09:37:53 PM »
Hi Stephan.

Here are the shots of the R1 resister and the R2 light bulb
working on other fet point shots next....

Spark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #92 on: March 19, 2007, 09:49:45 PM »
Hi Gyula,

The cold resistance of the bulb is 1.5 - 1.6 ohms.

Spark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #93 on: March 19, 2007, 10:38:56 PM »
Hi Igor, Gyula,

Sorry some of these shots are upside down.
BUT it was easyer to clip the gnd aligator to the drain and poke around with probe.

Still on battery so no ground loops same for all shots today.

battery now 9.88v on dvm filiment still hot, but not as bright as last night of course.

The new larger caps will not discharge like the current bunch, that was visable on the scope/relay version of this circuit

Q4 FET scope shots:

Spark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #94 on: March 20, 2007, 02:25:36 AM »
Hi people,

I added the blocking diode and now i can tune the monovibrator.

New test;

Mains driven 10dcv power supply,
R1=10ohms 1/4w,
R2=10ohms 1/4w,
multimeter

whole circuit input  (no r1, draws 12ma@10v)
9.93V
72.4mA
0.072W

across R2  (0vdc must use acmode.  I know...)
1.95V across R2
0.2A   in series with R2
0.39w

multimeter COP 53 to 1

Finger test you can touch R1 to your lip,it is warm, I canT feel it with my fingers.
R2 will burn your finger! again the burning resister effect like with relay.
(disclaimer: Touching R2 to your lip will result in serious burn and personal injury)
Is R2 53 times as hot as R1??? probably not, BUT its more than 3 times as hot!
way more IMHO!

Spark

Offline gezgin

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #95 on: March 20, 2007, 11:08:12 PM »
Hi drspark,
if input current is 72.4 mA = 0,0724A then
power =9.93 x 0,0724 = 0,718 Watt ...
 
or 10V x 0,072 ~=0,72 watt ..

is there math. fault or current value different?





Offline drspark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #96 on: March 20, 2007, 11:23:21 PM »
Hi Gezgin,

Milli = 1000;  I calc  (9.93V * 0.00724A)=0.072W
IS WRONG you are correct
53 sure did seem odd.

drSpark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #97 on: March 20, 2007, 11:42:57 PM »
Hi Gezgin, Members,

I suppose I asked for that one just by using the dvm :D

100ohms in series with bulb and battery = no light AND 100ohms in series with battery to cap swapping circuit lights bulb

Same with 2 ten ohm resisters one is burning hot the other is not.

Do those observations show sign of overunity?
or am I wasting our time with this?

drSpark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #98 on: March 21, 2007, 12:18:52 AM »
whatis Lamp  power? 5W?

in circuit,serial 220 uF C5 C6 capasitors charging&increase voltage 10 to 20 v,
so 6 V lamp lighting.

fe theory, relay spark effect  and with special coils (bifiliar ..)
resonances (LC) maybe create extra energy..

Offline drspark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #99 on: March 21, 2007, 12:42:57 AM »
Hi Gezgin,

Lamp 6v stamped T55 6F. cold resistance 1.55ohms.

drSpark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #100 on: March 21, 2007, 10:16:45 AM »
Hi Gezgin, Gyula, Members,

Lastnight I made some measurements of the bulb hot.

Battery 6v lantern type.
Open voltage 6.32v
Bulb on voltage 5.86v
Series current .39A
DVM straight DC  :)
I guess its rated 2.5w @ 6v

drSpark


 

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #101 on: March 21, 2007, 10:24:31 AM »
Hi People

Here is a photo of the circuit, bulbs with 10ohm resisters in parallel.
The resister does not burn connected this way.

9.9v 324hz

drSpark

Offline gezgin

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #102 on: March 21, 2007, 02:41:11 PM »
Hi drspark,
what about your self running circuit (emf recycler 3.0) with transformer&mosfets.
I tried (with relays) but didnt work.
scop show coil emf picks but when connecting load its disappearing.
Here is gnd to capasitor wave photo:

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #103 on: March 21, 2007, 04:41:22 PM »
Hi Dr. Spark,
sorry for the late reply, but I was busy with other work.

It seems from your  scope shot IMG_5942a.jpg picture,
that if you fold the spikes down to the waveform,
that you have about 4 Volts steady of voltage at R1= 100 Ohm,so
that means an input current of about 40 mA.
That means at a voltage supply of about 10 Volts you
have an input power of around 0.4 Watts.

Now the question is , is the bulb glowing brighter than 0.24 Watts ?
Already at the R1= 100 Ohm resistor you "destroy" about U^2/100 Ohm= 0.16 Watts,
so you have left around 0.4 Watts - 0.16 Watts= 0.24 Watts for the bulb).
(Neglecting the other circuit components,
which have much lower currents..)

From the Scopeshot at the bulb it is hard to say.
I would say, if you fold again the waveform, so it
shows a steady line, this line would probably only have around 1 Volts.
Now the question is, what exact resistance your glowing bulb has...

You should better test this with a normal temperature stable
resistor, as the bulb probably has a resistance of about 10 Ohms or more,
if it is glowing.

Maybe you can do a comparison and test with a DC power supply the same
bulb at the same brightness and measure voltage and current and
tell us, how many Watts does it take to glow this bright as in the scope shots you posted.
Also please measure the dc resistance in this operating point in the DC case of your
bulb filament.

So if the bulb would have 10 Ohms resistance, if it is glwoing like this,
then you would have about (1Volt) ^2 / 10 Ohms= 0.1 Watts of power
generated at the bulb,
but if it only would be 2 Ohms, then you would get (1Volt) ^2 / 2 Ohms= 0.5 Watts,
then you would have Overunity.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #104 on: March 21, 2007, 04:48:48 PM »
Hi Dr. Spark,
please repeat the scope measurements with
2 normal resistors instead of resistor and the bulb:
R1= 100 Ohm 1 Watt type or more
R2= 1 Ohm   5 Watt type or more
and post the scopeshots again at these resistors.

Then we can exactly say, if your circuit is overunity.

Many thanks.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2007, 07:24:30 PM by hartiberlin »