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Author Topic: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)  (Read 88859 times)

Offline drspark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2007, 07:12:49 AM »
CircuitMaker2000 Setup
In analog options only GMIN is changed.
that fixes the time step error from low freq calcs (10hz is a long time)

To make sim run longer edit stop time in transient and fourier analysis setup dialog box...

spark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2007, 07:16:36 AM »
Hi People

With Gyulas help; I have converted the circuit to solidstate in the sim.
Im searcing for the best cap values and freq, then ill be building this one...

Enjoy

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2007, 09:37:04 AM »
Hi drspark,
thanks for circuitmaker help but ithink power&cop calculation..

total power given circuit is : Power(V1) 
output power =Power(Rin)+Power(Rout)+P.other components.. , so? how can compare input/output power or energy.

 like Igor Knitel circuit, with 0.1 ohms/5Watt serial resistor voltage and current
we calculate given power  to circuit.

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2007, 04:49:57 PM »
Hi there Geszin,

If *collect data for; node voltage, supply current, device current and power* is enabled, the simulator will display the power data when you place a probe ontop of the device.

The 10ohm resisters are devices posistioned in series with the battery and at the load point. I use the wave forms calculated as disapated power for those two devices as a measure of the performace.

The power required for switching is not included yet...

spark


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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2007, 08:50:15 PM »
Hello,
I just joined this extremely interesting forum. Yersterday I have built and tested your circuit (the one with relays) and it works as you described. Playing with freq and duty cycle you can (quite easily) get battery lamp off and load lamp lit up. I added two 1 Ohm resistors in series with the lamps and felt the different temperature as you did; this further proves that battery current< load current.
However I think we should evaluate the input power as battery current x battery volts  x power factor (because it is not DC); the battery resistor dissipate some power but this is not the input power.
Am I missing something?
Can you calculate the input power as Volts x current in your simulations?

Thanks a lot

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2007, 10:34:15 AM »
Hi Guido,
exactly, the input power must be measured by battery voltage x input current x power factor, as the input current is pulsed.
The input current can be of course smaller than the load current, cause it acts as a capacitive current transformer.

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2007, 06:42:39 PM »
Hi Guidoc, Stefan,

CircuitMaker calculates the PIV data every timestep which in most cases is 1-250uS.

The waveforms of r1[p] and r2[p] are spice calculated power.

Stefan is correct, this is a current transformer made from caps and it divides the voltage by 2 if DC averaged,
BUT
In the sim a most interesting thing happens when you add a transformer to the middle of this. (thanks Gyula and Igor)

When a simulated capacitor (current) transformer, is merged with a simulated inductive (voltage) transformer, simulated power output rises such that a simulated zener was needed to clamp the simulated output down. :)

Im working to get the frequency up (in a real circuit) so I can place a transformer in the circuit and go back to dc like Igors claim.
Then ill be able to measure the voltage of the cap on the other side of the transformer and bridge with a my multimeter.

If thats real, this is OU and Power is selectable. (true Tesla switch?)

Now im not saying the capformer is not interesting alone...
I also agree with Guidoc analysis of real circuits need be done.

I am not an expert with the simulator ;)  or electronics, just a retired software engineer... being retired from industry I dont have access to the equipment needed to do real world analysis anymore and the people who would already have made the fet version.

I cant and wont argue with only a multimeter(s) in hand, unless its dc.

I only have 11days left before the trial version expires.

Spark
« Last Edit: February 26, 2007, 07:19:08 AM by drspark »

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2007, 06:55:41 PM »
Drspark, Stephan
thanks.

I'll try to make some more tests and maybe take some scope pics.

Stephan,
I would like to test the so called spark-Newman device" you mentioned already. Where can I find some drawing? I remember a plan with a relay connected to a transformer and then to an 8W neon lamp but I was wondering if there is something different or updated.

Thanks.

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2007, 10:32:38 AM »
Berkleys SPICE Simulates overunity solid state!

If this is real, cop is thousands :)

sims with relays and and now mosfets!

The zeners are 11v each and limit output...

spark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2007, 08:16:28 PM »
Hi People,

A much simpler circuit! this, I plan on building next month.

Enjoy...

Spark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2007, 06:15:01 PM »
Drspark, Stephan
thanks.

I'll try to make some more tests and maybe take some scope pics.

Stephan,
I would like to test the so called spark-Newman device" you mentioned already. Where can I find some drawing? I remember a plan with a relay connected to a transformer and then to an 8W neon lamp but I was wondering if there is something different or updated.

Thanks.

Hi look into hear:
www.overunity.com/newman
www.overunity.com/newman2

Thanks !


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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2007, 06:20:58 PM »
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Berkleys SPICE Simulates overunity solid state!

If this is real, cop is thousands Smiley

sims with relays and and now mosfets!

The zeners are 11v each and limit output...

spark

Hi People,

A much simpler circuit! this, I plan on building next month.

Enjoy...

Spark

Great Dr.Spark.

Looking forward to more infos from you.

I guess this is a simular circuit with capacitors
as what Mike has now shown with his modified Bedini-Cole-
Window motor. He switches coils back and forth and uses dL/dt
and you switch capacitors back and force and use dC/dt.

Normally with coils you have Voltage_induction = L x di/dt
Now if you also change L over time it must be something like:

Voltage_induction =  d ( L(t) x i(t) ) / dt
which has a much different solution, where more energy important terms
come up.
I have to dig this math calculations up in my old Newman files.

The same goes for the case with switching capacitors
with the additional dC/dt terms.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2007, 08:14:16 AM »
Stephan,

Yes! please dig for the math...

Thanks in advance...

Spark

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2007, 03:00:26 PM »
Stephan,

Yes! please dig for the math...

Thanks in advance...

Spark

Okay, will probably take a few days, cause I don?t know where I
have put this paper and have to search it all over my
place and now I firstly need to play with my old Newman machine
for this Mike Motor thread...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2)
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2007, 07:28:18 AM »
Hi People,

Berkleys SPICE Simulates overunity solid state and SELF-RUN
by replacing the battery with large cap, removing the blocking diode, and telling the simulator some Initial Conditions, one to set the start cap to 12v and the others help the sim start the multivibrator.

Run the sim and the start cap voltage drops as the circuit charges up and then recovers as the output stablizes. another zener was needed to protect the startup/run cap....

another most interesting result.
anyone out there build this yet? please share your findings.

Best regards,

Spark