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Author Topic: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!  (Read 56209 times)

bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #270 on: March 22, 2023, 12:29:55 PM »
The question is, is it supposed to work with or without a load? This is essential.

What is the point? Presumably in the video, Mike starts it without a load. At least there is approximately zero average torque on the input torque sensor however with rotation, so, to me, that is a no-load running condition. Then Mike says he applied pressure with the caliper imparting a load via the disc brake. This shows on both input and output torque sensors. That is a loaded running condition.

If without then the torque of inertia is fine as long as the revs aren't too high.

Sorry, but I don't understand you. Inertia of each moving component as well as on input and output, influence system behavior at each velocity change, which happens continually in a cogging system when it's rotating.

If with a load, for example with a coil, there will be no torque at all.

Again I don't understand. There are no coils.

Have you seen a magnet fall onto a solid block of copper? here is the answer.

Sure, I've seen that video. Also done it. Where is copper in this system?
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r2fpl

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #271 on: March 22, 2023, 12:37:02 PM »
What is the point? Presumably in the video, Mike starts it without a load. At least there is approximately zero average torque on the input torque sensor however with rotation, so, to me, that is a no-load running condition. Then Mike says he applied pressure with the caliper imparting a load via the disc brake. This shows on both input and output torque sensors. That is a loaded running condition.

Sorry, but I don't understand you. Inertia of each moving component as well as on input and output, influence system behavior at each velocity change, which happens practically continuously in a cogging system when it's rotating.

Again I don't understand. There are no coils.

Sure, I've seen that video. Also done it. Where is copper in this system?
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I just don't see anything to increase power here. That's all.
Measurements may be incorrect because we do not know how the torque impulse affects the measurement. This is just an example.

If this device is to be useful, you need to find a use for it, because as a generator it is unlikely to work, but I can be wrong of course.

bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #272 on: March 22, 2023, 12:50:03 PM »
I just don't see anything to increase power here. That's all.
Measurements may be incorrect because we do not know how the torque impulse affects the measurement. This is just an example.

If this device is to be useful, you need to find a use for it, because as a generator it is unlikely to work, but I can be wrong of course.

I never said it was useful. I'm just trying to figure out why Mike says it is. I thank you for your help.
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r2fpl

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #273 on: March 22, 2023, 03:50:52 PM »
I never said it was useful. I'm just trying to figure out why Mike says it is. I thank you for your help.
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Everyone has an opinion about it. I just saw a lot of devices where someone claims that it works but only works for him. Maybe there is something I don't see or understand.
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rakarskiy

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #274 on: March 22, 2023, 04:51:17 PM »
https://www.motofluxpower.com/pudding/
https://www.motofluxpower.com/its-official/

In addition to the actual materials on the site and on their YouTube channel, is there any data from third-party observers?


bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #275 on: March 24, 2023, 02:37:20 AM »
Hi all,
I ran across a saved paper on cogging which I thought was quite well presented. It's based on a motor having surface mounted PMs spanning multiple teeth, but does show the effects of dimensional and other variations. Use or lose.
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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #276 on: March 24, 2023, 10:49:31 AM »
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bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #277 on: March 24, 2023, 12:49:56 PM »
I suspect there will be noise induced in the coils from cogging of the rotor and also from armature reaction.
How is this relevant to topic?
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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #278 on: March 24, 2023, 01:03:43 PM »
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bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #279 on: March 24, 2023, 01:31:23 PM »
No need for sorry. Just asking. So you're looking for energy in cogging?
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sm0ky2

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #280 on: March 24, 2023, 08:28:07 PM »
Well guys they appear to be right.


<1/4 ft lb = > 5 ft lbs


https://youtu.be/woejdNvCZpc


Need some quantitative testing with accurate measurements
But at face value it seems to check out

sm0ky2

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #281 on: March 24, 2023, 11:26:16 PM »
Out of curiosity i tried to belt a motor to the upper disk
Hoping to generate measurable current


To my surprise; the spinning magnetic field tries to drive the small dc motor
(opposed at first but when i flipped it over tried to drive the disk that was powering it!)


Not sure where to go with that. To remove the situation i suppose i could find a longer belt

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #282 on: March 26, 2023, 01:38:35 AM »
Out of curiosity i tried to belt a motor to the upper disk
Hoping to generate measurable current


To my surprise; the spinning magnetic field tries to drive the small dc motor
(opposed at first but when i flipped it over tried to drive the disk that was powering it!)


Not sure where to go with that. To remove the situation i suppose i could find a longer belt
could the prime mover be a pulse motor and do away with the belt?

sm0ky2

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #283 on: March 26, 2023, 04:53:25 AM »
I don’t see why not


So long as the pulse motor produces enough impulse torque to overcome the magnetic compression necessary to overcome the moment of inertia of the secondary rotor mass.


Also theres a number that seems consistent regardless of the size or proportionality of the device
I don’t know what it means but:


Pi * r^2 = 1/2 pi having to do with torque amplification
(note: these tests were done with a diametric constraint of the gap size:[/size]
 Total Gap (left + right) ~= diameter of inner drive magnet assembly)[/size]
i left just enough clearance for rotation.[/size]

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sm0ky2

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #284 on: March 26, 2023, 04:59:28 AM »
Its slightly above 10:1 torque amplification
Adding more weight doesn’t increase or decrease this value


Although adding more devices on a common shaft like the inventor might