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Online Cloxxki

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #225 on: March 18, 2023, 09:42:10 AM »
Good find, and a bad showing for MotoFlux to not immediately declare and explain. Much better would have been to account for it on torque in/out comparisons.

Could a one-way bearing be spring loaded for that torque bias in static state? Depending on understanding of the apparatus, a static base torque might make more sense on the input side.
I can imagine a situation where one might want the output to be pre-loaded and only bleed off output above a threshold. A spring load and resticting dampened tether on the output would deliver torque more gradually to the alternator as theorized above.

Offline Dog-One

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #226 on: March 18, 2023, 10:07:03 AM »
It leads me to believe that output torque sensor was biased to 6.0 lb.ft. in the static condition prior to and throughout the test. Then that the measured and recorded input and output torques are approximately equal in magnitude.

That does not look very good granted.  There is a possibility the pressure
on the disc brake hadn't been released prior to the run.  With the cogging
aspect of the output rotor, I can see where the torque meter might start
out with this measurement.  It's a simple testing mistake; I have done it
myself in the dyno lab years ago.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #227 on: March 18, 2023, 02:07:33 PM »
We’ll see if there is an answer..( explanation
Edit : removed unrelated





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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #228 on: March 18, 2023, 09:31:28 PM »

https://youtu.be/SPlsunCiduM

A Russian has built this simple replication...

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #229 on: March 18, 2023, 10:23:43 PM »
That does not look very good granted.  There is a possibility the pressure
on the disc brake hadn't been released prior to the run.  With the cogging
aspect of the output rotor, I can see where the torque meter might start
out with this measurement.  It's a simple testing mistake; I have done it
myself in the dyno lab years ago.


Could be - but it looks like that's how he set it up (calibrated/levels) - after reviewing
the SENSIT T&M Software Manual it appears thats how to get both data streams
on the same display. Could be wrong however, but it makes sense and is doable that way.


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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #230 on: March 18, 2023, 10:28:36 PM »
https://youtu.be/SPlsunCiduM

A Russian has built this simple replication...

Thanks - answers a few more questions! Also looks easy to do... 

This Magnet Flux Motor might be one of easiest and cost effective to do.
No exotic materials and readily available magnets (or configurations).
Think I'll have a more detailed look at it.



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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #231 on: March 19, 2023, 01:41:03 AM »
My mind keeps being drawn to the (here three) axial phases on the rotor with the uniform drive axle interruptor.

Could these phases, each a jarring motion laid over the other...be replaced by a more continuous pull from incorporation of a spiral on the drive axle and/or the rotor? On the soft iron drive axle that's just a machining job, but my knowledge of magnetism combined with #D thinking is well outside the comfort zone. You understand what I'm getting at, right? Might such a smoothing effort be viable, or is the clear jump from one pole to the next, albeit with the rotor as a flywheel, an absolute must have?

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #232 on: March 19, 2023, 02:34:24 AM »
My mind keeps being drawn to the (here three) axial phases on the rotor with the uniform drive axle interruptor.

Could these phases, each a jarring motion laid over the other...be replaced by a more continuous pull from incorporation of a spiral on the drive axle and/or the rotor? On the soft iron drive axle that's just a machining job, but my knowledge of magnetism combined with #D thinking is well outside the comfort zone. You understand what I'm getting at, right? Might such a smoothing effort be viable, or is the clear jump from one pole to the next, albeit with the rotor as a flywheel, an absolute must have?

Hi Cloxxki,
Jarring motion is cogging in this context. It is clearer for everyone to use appropriate terminology. And cogging is the only thing there is in Corbin's apparatus. He claims he sees free energy from it. I attempt to find how and am not interested in changing or improving the mechanism. If the discussion gives you ideas to make a device, great, but, in my opinion, that needs its own topic or thread.

With regards to the use of parallel cogging, which I see as the three adjacent stators, the overlap/interaction may not be essential to the basic energy introduction, if there is such. After all, he started with a single stator, then double and then the triple. I think the analysis most beneficial would include the center radial director, magnet arm rotor and a single tooth stator. With that develop a torque vs angular position graph using FEMM and system analysis. Making a visual aid like these. From that, it would facilitate combining the action of multiple teeth in series (around the circumference) or/and in parallel (adjacent stators).

Respectfully,
bi

Ref. reply #222

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #233 on: March 19, 2023, 09:12:17 AM »
The magnetic field analysis shows nothing that changes when the center magnet is rotated.
It looks like you can use regular rubber instead of a magnet. This is an ordinary clutch that is used in e.g. stepper motors.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #234 on: March 19, 2023, 09:27:43 AM »
Thank you r2fpl,
In line with my reasoning.
bi

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #235 on: March 19, 2023, 12:45:16 PM »
Hi Cloxxki,
Jarring motion is cogging in this context. It is clearer for everyone to use appropriate terminology. And cogging is the only thing there is in Corbin's apparatus. He claims he sees free energy from it. I attempt to find how and am not interested in changing or improving the mechanism. If the discussion gives you ideas to make a device, great, but, in my opinion, that needs its own topic or thread.

With regards to the use of parallel cogging, which I see as the three adjacent stators, the overlap/interaction may not be essential to the basic energy introduction, if there is such. After all, he started with a single stator, then double and then the triple. I think the analysis most beneficial would include the center radial director, magnet arm rotor and a single tooth stator. With that develop a torque vs angular position graph using FEMM and system analysis. Making a visual aid like these. From that, it would facilitate combining the action of multiple teeth in series (around the circumference) or/and in parallel (adjacent stators).

Respectfully,
bi

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It makes sense to try to tr and replicate what Corbin claims to produce excess torque.
Are there no ways to collaborate with the man himself, or is he jut on the usual quest for a trillion dollar payout before he does a further grain of sharing or work? Investor that hide "a secret ingredient" are part of a 100% unbroken tradition of keeping technologies from the public. Have replicators ever managed to overcome such an inventor-introduced hurdle to discovery?

The "proof of concept" verbage and the high flat line torque reader seem to lower the odds of there being a runner in there at this time already?
The Russian poster that did the one over-cog setup must be commended. I wonder whether he'll feel intrigued enough to make it a 360º setup from the same materials and dimensions.
I commend all replicators, I appreciate your skill and patience :)

EDITED TO ADD: On YouTube, "tech mech" says he won't scale up his replication unless he were to be paid very well. He sees no overunity.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #236 on: March 19, 2023, 01:07:12 PM »

It looks like you can use regular rubber instead of a magnet.
Thank you r2fpl,
In line with my reasoning.
bi
А я и говорю об этом.Я на Веслиса ставлю. :D
Where is the prize money?
« Last Edit: March 19, 2023, 03:15:38 PM by kolbacict »

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #237 on: March 19, 2023, 02:31:56 PM »
It makes sense to try to tr and replicate what Corbin claims to produce excess torque.
Are there no ways to collaborate with the man himself, or is he jut on the usual quest for a trillion dollar payout before he does a further grain of sharing or work? Investor that hide "a secret ingredient" are part of a 100% unbroken tradition of keeping technologies from the public. Have replicators ever managed to overcome such an inventor-introduced hurdle to discovery?

The "proof of concept" verbage and the high flat line torque reader seem to lower the odds of there being a runner in there at this time already?
The Russian poster that did the one over-cog setup must be commended. I wonder whether he'll feel intrigued enough to make it a 360º setup from the same materials and dimensions.
I commend all replicators, I appreciate your skill and patience :)

EDITED TO ADD: On YouTube, "tech mech" says he won't scale up his replication unless he were to be paid very well. He sees no overunity.

Hi Cloxxki,
I am familiar with accomplishments of Mike Corbin and respect his efforts in electric land speed racing and commercial ventures of manufacturing/marketing. Electric motorcycle Bonneville mile record held for decade or more around 160-170 mph (back with Pb-Acid batteries) and the Electric Sparrow, 3-wheel highway capable car sold to public having moderate success mostly in California. I've never met him. Obviously he's still in business, motorcycle seats. I think he operates a place renting space for small businesses and workshops. I think he is approachable. Go for it. I'm retired.

I was surprised to see him behind this apparatus because it strikes me as a loser. If you haven't noticed, I am skeptical of such claims and look for proof or reasonable explanation of principle. I'm certainly willing to give people a chance, and actually help efforts to demonstrate and/or develop reasonable approaches.

Who is tech mech?
bi

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #238 on: March 19, 2023, 04:10:32 PM »
Hi Cloxxki,
I am familiar with accomplishments of Mike Corbin and respect his efforts in electric land speed racing and commercial ventures of manufacturing/marketing. Electric motorcycle Bonneville mile record held for decade or more around 160-170 mph (back with Pb-Acid batteries) and the Electric Sparrow, 3-wheel highway capable car sold to public having moderate success mostly in California. I've never met him. Obviously he's still in business, motorcycle seats. I think he operates a place renting space for small businesses and workshops. I think he is approachable. Go for it. I'm retired.

I was surprised to see him behind this apparatus because it strikes me as a loser. If you haven't noticed, I am skeptical of such claims and look for proof or reasonable explanation of principle. I'm certainly willing to give people a chance, and actually help efforts to demonstrate and/or develop reasonable approaches.

Who is tech mech?
bi
Tech mech is on YouTube and only has a single short video showing the MotoFlux cogging between two poles in a simplified demontration of the mechanism.

I'm gullible like a child at first, with most any notion. Then I get excited, want to learn more and more, and then I end up testing my belief. Most things then get re-assessed or discarded. But at least my new position then gets to be based on insights both for and against.

Which key aspects of the apparatus make it strike as a loser in your estimation or intuition?
It sure seems odd for a man of some reputation to go public with an OU claim if not fully substantiated. But here we are, not seeing a runner yet.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #239 on: March 19, 2023, 05:07:34 PM »
See reply #2. With a clutch of sorts. I see nothing more there.
bi