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SolarLab

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #180 on: March 13, 2023, 10:52:47 PM »
So is only the interruptor driven, no extra firing of coils to induce a field?
To rely on the magnets to their work alone, almost passively just off a rotating interruptor that's trying to get the rotor up to speed...might not been enough. I'm far from an expert, but firing coils at the right moments, could that be of use?
With the interrruptor being rotated alone, the potential for added power past unity might be small and indeed inhibit useful rpms.


There's a link to the patent somewhere here and a few good videos - have a read and a view, and your questions will be answered.

See Hartiberlin's attachment and videos - they're good ones.

Sorry - can't find the patent link or patent attachment; so it's attached:


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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #181 on: March 13, 2023, 11:17:59 PM »
Simulation of Corbin Motor magnetic levers.
A short section below is a magnet.
Other silicon steel fragments, magnetic permeability,
From 8000, changed to 20000,
There is not much difference.
It seems that there is a torque amplification effect.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #182 on: March 13, 2023, 11:59:21 PM »
This is a really interesting idea. I can kinda see how it works.

I wonder if there is some other type of metal that can be used instead of silicon steel. If not, replicating would cost a little bit. Unless you have an old motor laying around then it all has to be designed around that size. Ripping apart a bunch of old transformers would only get you a bunch of small pieces. Seems like buying sheets large enough for the stator(s) is hard to find without buying in bulk. Is there a place in the usa where you can get flat sheets of that stuff without requiring a semi to deliver it?

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #183 on: March 14, 2023, 01:46:34 AM »
Cheers for the comments.
I do think we need to see a thing like this in the 1000s of rpm range. It may even need to be forced there, rather than self-run itself to that speed.

How do you rate other design "better" if we don't have a runner sitting in the shed selling energy to the grid under the guise of "solar" power?
If there really are 1000s of patents, then the problem is with the inventors, not the market that's against them. An inventor that wants their tech to be used, discloses it to enough people. Like a wax job, just a quick pull to get it over with. Loads of addresses, spam them all with wonderful fool-proof blueprints, and some with working miniatures. Brand the heck out of it and become an overnight celebrity. Instantly too late to be Stanley Meyered.

The company I was contacted by may have found a loophole, making the machines and just selling the energy under the market price. Under the radar. But kind of small scale and a well kept secret how it really works. From the shown models, it may well be the MotoFlux system, I wouldn't be able to tell from the outside. But it's running at over 1000 rpm and seems to be making the company some money. No legacy though, as it's all so secret and small scale.

Hey Cloxxi

I like the way you assess logically.  Your first sentence I agree with but I would abandon the motoflux design.  THE PRINCIPLE IS FINE....the anlogue design is inefficient. 

Regarding the 2nd paragraph your comments.  Mutiple issues.  YES sometimes its an inventor issue but imagine for a moment you have spent on average (and these are the numbers) 20 years working on your design and machining, + funds + time....thats at least 2 million on average.  NOBODY after working to put their heart and soul into it will not wantt to see return for simply wages.  ITS A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF AN INVBENTOR.
Look, there are invnetors that hang on too tight and they are too precious and i have seen scores of deals fall through because they expected too much.  But overall I can tell you that the reason we dont have Free cheap energy today is beacuse the world, politics and the HUGE industrial powers ABOVE the politicians that TRULY RULE the world will not allow it.   As for your suggestion of lets say installing a massive solar array and then hiding under it a black box power supply to feed into and sell to the grid.....ahh....you know what,.....a group of investors wanted to do that and they have a solution but again the powers above the politicians have now put into legislation and red tape all these laws so that will never happen.  It MIGHT have been possible about 25 years agio but now its NOT 100%.  Its all sewn up.   Let me explain.   I cannot even sell 100 watts over a certain KW CAP with Solar.  The power companies in cahoots with politics and law come out and assess your solar array.  Then they say ok this is rated for X amount of Megawatts.  Then you get paid per KW of what you provide.  Everything is checked over with a fine tooth comb.  If i suddenly start putting out more, they will investigate and also PAY ME LESS.  This varies country to country but I am in Australia and thats how it works in most western lands.

Your comments on third paragraph....YES you can only get away with it in small scales.  One option is build a business model for remote power supplies like those guys that have diesel gens in a sea container and drop it where its needed on a hire rate.  But if you swap your tech out for the diesel gen and now you have no running costs then of course you can make big money.  Its the big boys supplying the grid that you cannot mess with.  they will run the last bit of oil and coal and then one day release the next gen of supply that they have locked up for 70 years.

Energy solutions are so many now its only the 90% blinded fools of the public that dont believe it.  It cannot be denied anymore.  Theres thousands of patents and great stuff out there.  But when News releases talk about CERN and various researchers and we might have cold fusion in 30 years,....thats all just garbage information to candy up the minds of those that believe we have nothing better now.  So...all the drones go back to working their 9-5 jobs believing that maybe one  day we will live in a utopia.  Its disgusting the money they spent at CERN trying to craack atoms when free energy can operate at room temp

Psychology and mass psychosis is fascinating

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #184 on: March 14, 2023, 01:52:39 AM »
Physics doesn't recognize OU. Here is video about cogging.
Re: Wesley's  Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum « Reply #2409 on: Today at 02:59:58 AM »
Wesley

Yes I agree physics doesnt recognize it.  I dont need convincing of that.  I dont know what your point is?  Im on your side

But you do post reams of pages of talk that goes nowhere

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #185 on: March 14, 2023, 02:46:32 AM »
Read, watch, listen, learn.
OU,-  is a nonsense.
Pinpointed for you :
https://youtu.be/au2jDbiyveQ?t=201
https://youtu.be/9JkREsSFwLA?t=682
https://youtu.be/7qbm4pJqnu0?t=116
Wesley

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #186 on: March 14, 2023, 03:20:43 AM »
Read, watch, listen, learn.
OU,-  is a nonsense.
Pinpointed for you :
https://youtu.be/au2jDbiyveQ?t=201
https://youtu.be/9JkREsSFwLA?t=682
https://youtu.be/7qbm4pJqnu0?t=116
Wesley

Im only going to try talking to you one more time and then I will stick to my policy of not arguing with Village idiots.

1)  I dont know the point of your pages of diatribe that go nowhere and are illogical
2)  There is no such thing as OU or energy from NOWHERE.  IF I have ever used the term OU it is LOOSELY meaning we CONVERT energy from "free" sources whether those sources are in the air, muons, pions, neutrinos, solar radiation particles, water or whatever.
3)  THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF SOURCES OF ENVIRONMENTAL ENERGY

4)  You really need to UP your medication of Lithium or decrease it...I dont know what.  You have a huge pride issue and you need to discuss things more with your psychiatrist also learn to read carefully what others post.

Have a nice life and try not to smoke and drink so much.  Anyone that smokes cigarettes in this day and age is an idiot and a contradiction.  How can a foolish person who does not even know how to look after his own body talk to others about the secrets of the Universe.

Energy is all around you

Good day sir!!

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #187 on: March 14, 2023, 04:52:40 AM »

THE SHIT NEVER ENDS   ;D



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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #188 on: March 14, 2023, 07:02:55 AM »
I will leave quotes for evaluating this engineering solution, from an engineer who dealt with a similar topic.

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Обалденная тема! Это практически новое прочтение эффекта Стовбуненко, как обычно из другой страны только.
Это вывернутый наизнанку мотор Стовбуненко, обалденное решение, мужик реально гений!
Главное что показал в подробностях, и в патенте расписано хорошо, что редкость!
Концепция же буквально в воздухе витала! Это все продолжение вечной дискуссии о том, насколько энергозатратно именно переключение внешнего магнитного поля от сторонних источников .в том числе и мощных постоянных магнитов! Белецкий тоже, при всем своем скепсисе, косвенно подтвердил работоспособность этой идеи
Гениальность американца Ханагена оказалась в том, что он решил поставить замыкающий кусок магнитопровода в центре общей магнитной системы, и она переключает магнитные потоки боковых магнитов так, что они по радиусу увеличивают крутящий момент, сохраняя при этом практически ту же частоту вращения! Обалдеть, насколько изящное решение! Я несколько лет назад ломал голову над реализацией подобной концепции, когда изучал Стовбуненко, но тогда отбросил именно данную топологию потому, что мне казалось, что при увеличении радиуса магнитопровода (столбиков постоянных магнитов) сила, с которой они будут притягиваться своими внешними концами к железу статора, тоже будет уменьшаться, но аменриканец показал, что это не так!

Awesome topic! This is practically a new reading of the Stovbunenko effect, as usual, only from another country.
This is the Stovbunenko motor turned inside out, awesome solution, the man is a real genius!
The main thing is that he showed in detail, and the patent describes it well, which is rare!
The concept was literally in the air! This is all a continuation of the eternal discussion about how energy-consuming it is to switch an external magnetic field from third-party sources, including powerful permanent magnets! Beletsky also, with all his skepticism, indirectly confirmed the viability of this idea.
The genius of the American Hanagen turned out to be that he decided to put the closing piece of the magnetic circuit in the center of the common magnetic system, and it switches the magnetic fluxes of the side magnets so that they increase the torque along the radius, while maintaining almost the same rotational speed! Stunned, what an elegant solution! Several years ago I puzzled over the implementation of such a concept when I studied Stovbunenko, but then I rejected this particular topology because it seemed to me that with an increase in the radius of the magnetic circuit (columns of permanent magnets), the force with which they will be attracted by their outer ends to the stator iron , will also decrease, but the American showed that this is not the case!

My material about Stovbunenko in Russian.
In 1959, Leonid Stovbunenko demonstrated an electric car that, when driving around St. Petersburg (Leningrad) for a whole day on two batteries (standard for cars of that time), did not completely discharge them.
By decision of the USSR military-industrial complex, Stovbunenko's inventions were classified.

https://drive.google.com/file/u/1/d/1IHbDrGiso2UU2jvyI0O7l0f16mAY5CJf/view?usp=sharing


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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #189 on: March 14, 2023, 08:49:11 AM »
Here is a practical design to test this MotoFlux idea.
The first stage (the little) shaft has to have one-way bearings to prevent the kickback.

panyuming

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #190 on: March 14, 2023, 10:50:31 AM »
Here is a practical design to test this MotoFlux idea.

I also came to participate in the discussion.
I think that in your drawing, the No. 4 material is made of permanent magnet,
which will not be able to leave the salient pole of the stator.

kolbacict

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #191 on: March 14, 2023, 11:01:40 AM »
Awesome topic! This is practically a new reading of the Stovbunenko effect, as usual, only from another country.
This is the Stovbunenko motor turned inside out, awesome solution, the man is a real genius!
Bravo!
These motors is working by it princip as well.

kolbacict

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #192 on: March 14, 2023, 12:08:41 PM »
Ракарский,ты у нас специалист по электродвигателям,скажи хоть ты,
что внутри этого мотора.Десять лет никто не может дать ответа.
Если и ты не скажешь,сегодня же возьму ножовку и распилю.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #193 on: March 14, 2023, 12:40:54 PM »
Hey Cloxxi

I like the way you assess logically.  Your first sentence I agree with but I would abandon the motoflux design.  THE PRINCIPLE IS FINE....the anlogue design is inefficient. 

Regarding the 2nd paragraph your comments.  Mutiple issues.  YES sometimes its an inventor issue but imagine for a moment you have spent on average (and these are the numbers) 20 years working on your design and machining, + funds + time....thats at least 2 million on average.  NOBODY after working to put their heart and soul into it will not wantt to see return for simply wages.  ITS A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF AN INVBENTOR.
Look, there are invnetors that hang on too tight and they are too precious and i have seen scores of deals fall through because they expected too much.  But overall I can tell you that the reason we dont have Free cheap energy today is beacuse the world, politics and the HUGE industrial powers ABOVE the politicians that TRULY RULE the world will not allow it.   As for your suggestion of lets say installing a massive solar array and then hiding under it a black box power supply to feed into and sell to the grid.....ahh....you know what,.....a group of investors wanted to do that and they have a solution but again the powers above the politicians have now put into legislation and red tape all these laws so that will never happen.  It MIGHT have been possible about 25 years agio but now its NOT 100%.  Its all sewn up.   Let me explain.   I cannot even sell 100 watts over a certain KW CAP with Solar.  The power companies in cahoots with politics and law come out and assess your solar array.  Then they say ok this is rated for X amount of Megawatts.  Then you get paid per KW of what you provide.  Everything is checked over with a fine tooth comb.  If i suddenly start putting out more, they will investigate and also PAY ME LESS.  This varies country to country but I am in Australia and thats how it works in most western lands.

Your comments on third paragraph....YES you can only get away with it in small scales.  One option is build a business model for remote power supplies like those guys that have diesel gens in a sea container and drop it where its needed on a hire rate.  But if you swap your tech out for the diesel gen and now you have no running costs then of course you can make big money.  Its the big boys supplying the grid that you cannot mess with.  they will run the last bit of oil and coal and then one day release the next gen of supply that they have locked up for 70 years.

Energy solutions are so many now its only the 90% blinded fools of the public that dont believe it.  It cannot be denied anymore.  Theres thousands of patents and great stuff out there.  But when News releases talk about CERN and various researchers and we might have cold fusion in 30 years,....thats all just garbage information to candy up the minds of those that believe we have nothing better now.  So...all the drones go back to working their 9-5 jobs believing that maybe one  day we will live in a utopia.  Its disgusting the money they spent at CERN trying to craack atoms when free energy can operate at room temp

Psychology and mass psychosis is fascinating
Yes, a low wage is an insult after such work put in.
However, an inventor may not get a lavish millions/billions too easily, even for a perfect invention.
With a bit of marketing help (inventors NEED that desperately usually), we can get an inventor, through open sourcing, hundreds or thousands of streets named after them, honorary professor chairs at universities, high dollar consultancy gigs, all the young busty women their worn out hearts can handle. A direct monetary reward is far from the sole way to get recognized, and in that regard investors may also lack vision.
It's a pain how energy companies get to prevent competition, but a large investor can get around that of course.

The company that approached me does just that, supply power to remote work sites, and just doesn't spend a lot on keeping the supply going. Client is happy with a no hassle solution, and the energy is worth most to them to run their operation, and it's ALL needed for their operation. Clients would pay a lot more, but they don't need to and that's their win, every day.

With a personal license for a single 2 kW unit per person, to be bought on an approved web shop, that could get an inventor more fame than Einstein himself. Get Tesla Motors to rename themselves to the new guy. Fewer batteries to be purchased, yay!

Cloxxki

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #194 on: March 14, 2023, 12:51:05 PM »
I will leave quotes for evaluating this engineering solution, from an engineer who dealt with a similar topic.

My material about Stovbunenko in Russian.
In 1959, Leonid Stovbunenko demonstrated an electric car that, when driving around St. Petersburg (Leningrad) for a whole day on two batteries (standard for cars of that time), did not completely discharge them.
By decision of the USSR military-industrial complex, Stovbunenko's inventions were classified.

https://drive.google.com/file/u/1/d/1IHbDrGiso2UU2jvyI0O7l0f16mAY5CJf/view?usp=sharing
Fascinating!

Did Stovbunenko just shut up and not leave elaborate notes on his inventor to prosterity? So frustrating when the likes of Stovbunenko  and Stanley Meyer have a total runner and then allow external factors to keep it from humanity. Neither probably have universities named after them now.

Tesla also seemed to know more than he left behind dying at an advanced age. Fun trivia: after the inventor's death, #45 DJT's full uncle John G. Trmp was in charge of cleaning out Tesla's residence for science papers and the like.