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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #165 on: March 13, 2023, 07:15:01 AM »

Should add:

Of course the "interuptor" is operating within a magnetic enviroment; so that's
quite interesting as well...

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #166 on: March 13, 2023, 08:47:25 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG32MoYXDbw

Seems open enough.  Complete strip down


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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #167 on: March 13, 2023, 09:53:55 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG32MoYXDbw

Seems open enough.  Complete strip down

Can't you see it's a scam!

There is a rotating magnet under the table! or coil.  :o

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #168 on: March 13, 2023, 10:50:02 AM »
Can't you see it's a scam!

There is a rotating magnet under the table! or coil.  :o

Normally I would be inclined to agree with you and whilst Im not saying its 100% proven, the layout of the magnets are almost identcal to the Yildiz motor

I actually travelled the world investigating new tech so am familiar with the usual crap

As far as scam goes -

1)  you have to sell something to be a scam....he isnt selling anything
2)  its a damn long video for the sake of some hits on youtube that wont make him money to recover the cost of magnets
3) Given that perm magnets do NOT have a very long field of reach, and considering he picks up the device and is too far away from the table AND angles it different ways free-hand....I dont see how any perm magnet wheel under the table is going to be effective.  That also goes for any pulsing coil

Either way I have nothing to gain or lose nor am I affiliated with him.  Besides there are way better tech and solid state capture devices out there without buggering around with perm magnets.  This thread is about another magnetic flux path design and this little motor works in similar fashion.

I guess after reviewing over 850 patents going back 100 years on all sorts of tech, one thing I have noted is this.....the fraud and the REAL get ridiculed alike.  I have sat in front of directors and engineers assessing new GENUINE tech and they cannot grasp that there is something out there thats better than what they have.   

Human nature really is incredible.  The psychology of people wanting to know the secret to the magic trick and then when you show them they dont believe or want it.


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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #169 on: March 13, 2023, 12:10:25 PM »
Curious to learn of the legitimate technologies you encountered on your travels, did you post on them some place?

What's your present assessment of the MotoFlux thing?
"Proof of concept" after all those years. Why still all about torque and rpms and not about power in and out, let alone a self contained apparatus with just power out?
I think we agree that most magnet motor presentations are either scams or lack of understanding from the inventor. Or a cry for help thinking they are *this* close. What might be the case for MotoFlux? The scale of the build seems almost industrial. Why not build smaller, does something get impractical there, perhaps with the one-way bearings, rpm and cogging periods?

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #170 on: March 13, 2023, 12:54:12 PM »
Curious to learn of the legitimate technologies you encountered on your travels, did you post on them some place?

What's your present assessment of the MotoFlux thing?
"Proof of concept" after all those years. Why still all about torque and rpms and not about power in and out, let alone a self contained apparatus with just power out?
I think we agree that most magnet motor presentations are either scams or lack of understanding from the inventor. Or a cry for help thinking they are *this* close. What might be the case for MotoFlux? The scale of the build seems almost industrial. Why not build smaller, does something get impractical there, perhaps with the one-way bearings, rpm and cogging periods?

hey Cloxxi

I was curious about the whole torque calcs thing myself.  Also the VERY slow rpm they have it demonstrated at.

I mean right at the end of shaft where they put a disc brake and caliper why not put a winding with generator and use that to charge the battery which is driving the input??  Those are things that instantly hit me.

My assessment -   I think given the low efficiencies of electric-dynamos, the issue is that the power factor will NOT be enough to drive to OU.  The concept is good and essentially when you look at the diameter of the internal mechanical perm magnet 'leader" then essentially this is a low geared shifter which results in leverage on the outer stator.  Fact is they have chosen torque over electrical output and the internal design means that air resistance will prevent it getting up to high RPM which is another reason why they havent spun it up as a high speed turbine.  It simply wont work as such.  Inventors present calcs  that are going to flatter the design and put it in the best possible light.

They are chasing funding which means that they themselves are not happy with the proto and it need more development.  My assessment is that even with the strongest perm magnets its not a good design for the reasons above.  Laminated silicon steel that they are using has its limits in saturation.  Its a LOT of metal for very low output and a basic analogue design.    I would not invest in this and it wont go anywhere.

There are much better turbine based models similar to yildiz.  If you are going to use parallel path tech solid state like the flynn or Meg is better but even they are tricky.

I dont have a site where I display anything because most of the consult investigations are done under NDA. 

What I said in previous post is true.  There are literally thousands of good patents that were just ahead of their time.  Everything from harvest from atmosphere or water type fuels or a cross breed of catalytic conversion that utilizes materials at incredible efficiency.  Once Apon a time back in the 20's so much of it was not classified.  But much is hidden in plain sight.  The rest is obscured with the noise of ridicule and close minded boffins

There are a few old boys on youtube that actually present the real deal or at least very good principles to employ

I have seen far better than this NOT get funding.  The world is just not geared for change yet.  Its disgraceful.  But this motor design is very basic and not a good performer.  Thats my honest take without having the energy in and out presented in another way. 

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #171 on: March 13, 2023, 01:01:44 PM »
Normally I would be inclined to agree with you and whilst Im not saying its 100% proven, the layout of the magnets are almost identcal to the Yildiz motor

I actually travelled the world investigating new tech so am familiar with the usual crap

As far as scam goes -

1)  you have to sell something to be a scam....he isnt selling anything
2)  its a damn long video for the sake of some hits on youtube that wont make him money to recover the cost of magnets
3) Given that perm magnets do NOT have a very long field of reach, and considering he picks up the device and is too far away from the table AND angles it different ways free-hand....I dont see how any perm magnet wheel under the table is going to be effective.  That also goes for any pulsing coil

Either way I have nothing to gain or lose nor am I affiliated with him.  Besides there are way better tech and solid state capture devices out there without buggering around with perm magnets.  This thread is about another magnetic flux path design and this little motor works in similar fashion.

I guess after reviewing over 850 patents going back 100 years on all sorts of tech, one thing I have noted is this.....the fraud and the REAL get ridiculed alike.  I have sat in front of directors and engineers assessing new GENUINE tech and they cannot grasp that there is something out there thats better than what they have.   

Human nature really is incredible.  The psychology of people wanting to know the secret to the magic trick and then when you show them they dont believe or want it.


Why do people cheat? if not for money then why?
For the popularity of the channel on YT! they think it will make them money someday but they just get bored and like to watch people see the truth out there. They're just having fun.

google key: free energy (3 340 000 000)
YT this some few millions

I am not aware of any credible modern device that has been independently proven. However, I know many that were probably scams, but less than 1% of all may be true.

Remember Trump's speech when he was running for president. He said there are about 5,000 patents that need to be released because they are classified. It will do humanity some good. Including free energy patents.
Why didn't he?! Because he wasn't allowed.
The hypocrisy of people and corporations is huge.
I know that such devices exist or mechanisms that can be used, but we must be dependent on oil, gas, electricity. What they give us is PV and that's it.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #172 on: March 13, 2023, 02:34:16 PM »
hey Cloxxi

I was curious about the whole torque calcs thing myself.  Also the VERY slow rpm they have it demonstrated at.

I mean right at the end of shaft where they put a disc brake and caliper why not put a winding with generator and use that to charge the battery which is driving the input??  Those are things that instantly hit me.

My assessment -   I think given the low efficiencies of electric-dynamos, the issue is that the power factor will NOT be enough to drive to OU.  The concept is good and essentially when you look at the diameter of the internal mechanical perm magnet 'leader" then essentially this is a low geared shifter which results in leverage on the outer stator.  Fact is they have chosen torque over electrical output and the internal design means that air resistance will prevent it getting up to high RPM which is another reason why they havent spun it up as a high speed turbine.  It simply wont work as such.  Inventors present calcs  that are going to flatter the design and put it in the best possible light.

They are chasing funding which means that they themselves are not happy with the proto and it need more development.  My assessment is that even with the strongest perm magnets its not a good design for the reasons above.  Laminated silicon steel that they are using has its limits in saturation.  Its a LOT of metal for very low output and a basic analogue design.    I would not invest in this and it wont go anywhere.

There are much better turbine based models similar to yildiz.  If you are going to use parallel path tech solid state like the flynn or Meg is better but even they are tricky.

I dont have a site where I display anything because most of the consult investigations are done under NDA. 

What I said in previous post is true.  There are literally thousands of good patents that were just ahead of their time.  Everything from harvest from atmosphere or water type fuels or a cross breed of catalytic conversion that utilizes materials at incredible efficiency.  Once Apon a time back in the 20's so much of it was not classified.  But much is hidden in plain sight.  The rest is obscured with the noise of ridicule and close minded boffins

There are a few old boys on youtube that actually present the real deal or at least very good principles to employ

I have seen far better than this NOT get funding.  The world is just not geared for change yet.  Its disgraceful.  But this motor design is very basic and not a good performer.  Thats my honest take without having the energy in and out presented in another way.
Cheers for the comments.
I do think we need to see a thing like this in the 1000s of rpm range. It may even need to be forced there, rather than self-run itself to that speed.

How do you rate other design "better" if we don't have a runner sitting in the shed selling energy to the grid under the guise of "solar" power?
If there really are 1000s of patents, then the problem is with the inventors, not the market that's against them. An inventor that wants their tech to be used, discloses it to enough people. Like a wax job, just a quick pull to get it over with. Loads of addresses, spam them all with wonderful fool-proof blueprints, and some with working miniatures. Brand the heck out of it and become an overnight celebrity. Instantly too late to be Stanley Meyered.

The company I was contacted by may have found a loophole, making the machines and just selling the energy under the market price. Under the radar. But kind of small scale and a well kept secret how it really works. From the shown models, it may well be the MotoFlux system, I wouldn't be able to tell from the outside. But it's running at over 1000 rpm and seems to be making the company some money. No legacy though, as it's all so secret and small scale.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #173 on: March 13, 2023, 03:39:03 PM »
My assessment -   I think given the low efficiencies of electric-dynamos, the issue is that the power factor will NOT be enough to drive to OU. 
Physics doesn't recognize OU. Here is video about cogging.
Re: Wesley's  Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum « Reply #2409 on: Today at 02:59:58 AM »
Wesley

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #174 on: March 13, 2023, 04:35:53 PM »
Physics doesn't recognize OU.

Once we have clear proof that magnets can help us to overunity when used correctly, physics will suddenly want to define whether it was done at high enough efficiency.

To do anything in this context with magnets, we may need to see them as solid straws attached to two vessels, one higher pressure, one lower. The stronger the magnet type the higher the flow per cm².
If we can get a good amount of momentum from the "snap" initiation when magnets come together, but switch the attraction off right at peak force to prevent decelleration, there might be a runner. No new concepts are being presented here.

From my limited understanding of magnets and motors, it seems this design is at least trying to get the pull, without waiting for it to complete the cogging. Because, why would you unless you're building a clutch? If I could get a super high torque clutch that way, I'd like that, actually.

If someone's understanding is there there is no energy to be extracted from magnets, there is no point for them discussing it.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #175 on: March 13, 2023, 05:10:42 PM »
Hope is an optimistic state of mind that is based on an expectation of positive outcomes characteristic to the  fool (Thomas Edison.)
  Denial is a type of defense mechanism that involves ignoring the reality of a situation to avoid anxiety.
 - it is not acknowledging reality or denying the consequences of that reality.
   There's plenty of sense in nonsense sometimes, but that  doesn't apply to physics.
    Energy Cannot Be Created or Destroyed, But It Can Be Converted From One Form to Another.(Einstein)
      It is never late  to go to school for you too.
        here is yet another one: https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg575094/#msg575094
Wesley

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #176 on: March 13, 2023, 06:05:49 PM »

Edit: added disruptor operating magnetic field environment at (e) and comparison of the two magnet motors.

Messed with the Magnet Motor a bit in the "cartoon show" analyzer and the preliminary
indications are this motor might well work as claimed. Seems to be straight forward once you
understand the principles
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Briefly;

(a.) initially, the rotor magnets are aligned to the stator "poles;"

(b.) the interuptor is rotated (cw or alternatively ccw - but only in one direction;

(c.) this disturbes the "magnetic circuit" (see patent diagrams);

(d.) at a certain RPM of the disruptor, the rotor magnets are moved away from the stator poles;

(e.) note that the interuptor is steel and not a magnet, however it is rotating within a magnetic field. 

(f.) when enough movement is attained, the rotor magnets "cog" rapidly to the next stator pole position;

(g.) this "rapid snap action" is where the system gain appears (call it what you will);

(h.) now, this is where the "one-way bearings" are needed - the approaching rotating disruptor must be kept
from causing the backward action of either the rotor magnets, the disruptor, or both - allowed to move only
in one direction;

(h.) so, at what RPM is the disruptor most efficient? This is yet to be determined. Or maybe it's a speed control
mechanism of sorts.

Operation appears to follow, in a way, a magnetic clutch (or centrifical clutch) scheme. Interesting! 

OK, now more beer so I can determine the optimum disruptor RPM vs Magnet Field Strength...

Thanks for watching!

NOTE: This device, although it uses magnets, operates a little different than the example I posted above:

https://overunity.com/19405/magnetic-flux-motor-just-patented-that-creates-its-own-electricity/msg575033/#msg575033

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMD-GSjqqmc

SL


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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #177 on: March 13, 2023, 06:21:06 PM »
A lot of emphasis on the presence of friction and other losses, as if anyone claims such don't exist, apparently implying that because there are losses, no technology can every be worthwhile when having any sort of cogging take place. A childish fallacy. I don't off the top of my head know of any method of power generation that managed to avoid losses.

Harnessing explosions will have seemed unlikely, today more mobility is based on that principle. Gliding like a bird in a constructed wing will have seemed unlikely. Breaking the atom will have seemed unlikely, let alone worthwhile to generate electricity.
Permanent magnets, when used well, seem to make electric motors better. Lower heat losser than in most alternative designs. I'm not sure permanent magnets will prove to be absolutely crucial to achieving OU in a motor. For certain arrangements, they may well help.

I hope to seen be able to help validate a 2 MW system that's been in use for over a decade. when I'm satisfied, I'll do what I can to make affordbale energy available to those who need it. A 20 kW unit may suffice for a personal car, in conjuction with a common PHEV style 5-20 kWh battery and e-drivetrain. A 20 kW generator in Europe can almost earn a daily wage reverse charging the grid, let alone a 50 kW system which I think would be more appropriate. 22 hours a day, €10/hr, 365 days a year.

Would you guys recommend the likes of MotoFlux and others to allow a free private license for single ~2 KW units per household? It would be such a gift to humanity... Power a small buffer battery overnight and stick it on a tiny car or scooter during the day for errants.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #178 on: March 13, 2023, 06:54:28 PM »

The MOTOFLUX should be quite easy to build once all the parameters are determined.

A steel ring that will accomodate four (?), or more, rows of soft magnetic bolts spaced as determined
(whatever # of stator poles).

Two magnetic "bars" (rotor) - stacked pucks or bar types (restrained), open at the hub.

A rotating soft magnetic steel "interuptor" with a drive motor (small stepper or other adjustable speed?)

Two sets of "one-way" bearings (common). Nothing really complicated here, or difficult, or fancy.

Might take a bit of engineering design and experimenting, but it's all there! And the materials are not exotic, 
scarce, or expensive.

I'm sure we'll see a few examples in the near future!

Same for the "Brazilian Soda Bottle model...

Build one - especially if you're still convinced, or believe, that "magnets have no power!" or whatever!   ;)
But take care - blood blisters do really hurt...

SL

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #179 on: March 13, 2023, 08:43:16 PM »
So is only the interruptor driven, no extra firing of coils to induce a field?
To rely on the magnets to their work alone, almost passively just off a rotating interruptor that's trying to get the rotor up to speed...might not been enough. I'm far from an expert, but firing coils at the right moments, could that be of use?
With the interrruptor being rotated alone, the potential for added power past unity might be small and indeed inhibit useful rpms.