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Author Topic: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!  (Read 56167 times)

ramset

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #150 on: March 09, 2023, 01:04:29 AM »

Here again Stefan’s translated pdf from borderlands recent query Into this claim .
In this document (along with other analysis) it does mention/ suggest possible modeling
Similar to member Solarlabs work .

I translates the German PDF File from Adolf Schneider with
Google Translator and here is the ENglish PDF File to download:


As mentioned prior ..efforts underway to get more info on testing ( 3 rd party ) if no independent 3rd party has been arranged, will see about connecting claimant to that resource _also_
Once testing is verified , will  Ask about licensing for educational research purposes!
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Edit to add new link to Stefan’s PDF translation of German Borderland document on Mr.Corbin ‘s claims
Thanks Jim ( I had actually checked it twice prior to logging out  ….?hopefully it works

Hard working from just the phone here ..
« Last Edit: March 09, 2023, 11:07:31 AM by ramset »

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #151 on: March 09, 2023, 09:42:59 AM »
Here again Stefan’s translated pdf from borderlands recent query Into this claim .
In this document (along with other analysis) it does mention/ suggest possible modeling
Similar to member Solarlabs work .


As mentioned prior ..efforts underway to get more info on testing ( 3 rd party ) if no independent 3rd party has been arranged, will see about connecting claimant to that resource _also_
Once testing is verified , will  Ask about licensing for educational research purposes!
Respectfully
Chet K
I think your file is empty Chet. It has 0Kb

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #152 on: March 09, 2023, 12:31:39 PM »
Hi panyuming,
What you show is a switched reluctance or stepper motor. Quite common. Typically multiphase so they are self starting and smoother. And no reports of OU of which I am aware.
Nice sketch.
bi

Thank you! Thanks for the guidance.
I'll think again.

SolarLab

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #153 on: March 09, 2023, 06:19:45 PM »
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« Last Edit: March 09, 2023, 08:23:45 PM by SolarLab »

ramset

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #154 on: March 09, 2023, 07:31:22 PM »
Solarlab
Here we seem to have a path towards actually engaging with Claimant ,
(In the works…) the goal being 3rd party validation ,
might take some time to arrange.


Respectfully
Chet K
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If you have info on lab/test results from Perendev or access to unit for testing?
perhaps reboot one of the topics here on Perendev







SolarLab

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #155 on: March 09, 2023, 08:23:17 PM »
Solarlab
Here we seem to have a path towards actually engaging with Claimant ,
(In the works…) the goal being 3rd party validation ,
might take some time to arrange.


Respectfully
Chet K
PS
If you have info on lab/test results from Perendev or access to unit for testing?
perhaps reboot one of the topics here on Perendev


Sorry, I'll remove the post - don't follow the forums that much lately.

Have a good one, and thanks.


SolarLab

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #156 on: March 11, 2023, 07:03:13 PM »

Don't want to interupt the serious Expert Magnet Motor validation
being conducted here;
but I just can't resist this one  ;) (another Saturday with the Kids!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMD-GSjqqmc



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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #157 on: March 11, 2023, 08:55:38 PM »
Don't want to interupt the serious Expert Magnet Motor validation
being conducted here;
but I just can't resist this one  ;) (another Saturday with the Kids!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMD-GSjqqmc

Totally Fake.. It does not respond to the change of the stator magnets.. It is just driven with a hidden motor....
lol..

SolarLab

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #158 on: March 12, 2023, 03:29:38 AM »
Totally Fake.. It does not respond to the change of the stator magnets.. It is just driven with a hidden motor....
lol..

Thanks for the expert insight - could't find the totally fake or hidden motor - but i'll look again more closely  :) lol

Regards!



Cloxxki

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #159 on: March 12, 2023, 04:47:33 PM »
Assuming the inventor is correct that he can get out more power from the output shaft than power put in at the input shaft, it really doesn't matter to me whether he's "extracting energy stored in the magnets" or "tapping the infinite seas of energy in an out of phase parallel universe". Even what the correct definitons of torque and power are, although I do having my own opinions on that.
It's all just semantics and some people seem to not want to believe the machine can be overunity, strictly based on their own belief system of what magnet are or do. All people without a proven OU machine, I gather :)

Overunity inventors over the centuries have often expressed themselves in ways that rubbed us the wrong way, they never said what we wanted to hear. For an inventor who loves life and aims to maximize it, making it seem like the energy was always there in the magnets for us to extract, kind of makes sense from a human life cycle optimiziation perspective. Any verbal BS I will *wink, wink* going along with or at least try to shut up about with for the sake of figuring out how to replicate and improve this machine.
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Off-topic, but quite relevant and in line with this claimed invention as from the outside I can't differentiate it:
I've been approached by a company who's in the business of supplying energy to clients through mobile generators. They've been at it for over a decade, and claim to have a fleet of 1000s of units already. I have not seem them yet, so I can't attest.
This company shares nothing about it actually being a magnet motor at the core, it's not in any of of their documents. Stemming from a desire to survive in the Earthly life experience a bit longer, which I do share. The inventor indeed is still alive and his company is selling low cost energy to industrial clients who don't appear to care where the energy comes from: diesel, magnets or angels' farts.
Smallest commercially deployed unit is rated at 2 MW. The proprietary aparatus rougly cylindrical and similar in volume to a somewhat higher rated alternator. Seems SUPER similar to the invention in subject, just with a casing around the magnet motor bit. COP ~6 in commercial application, based on what I gather from off the record explanations.
200-500 hp (this is what I was told) primed at a defined torque from an electric motor, for max 2 MW+ out from an axially downstream placed output axle driving the alternator. The whole process is ceremoneously started from a diesel genset that (scretly?) shuts off once the apparatur is running, looped I suspect. Whether input and output rpm are also the same in their system as with MotoFlux, I'm still iffy on, but it seems more likely than not. I've not yet gained the needed trust from the inventor/company owner (only his right hand) and he's far from a great communicator in writing, most digits and units are obviously wrong. Customers seem happy with the energy prices they are paying, and the company appears to spend very little on diesel to keep the generators running.

When I get better access (I'll need to, to help them with operations and sales), I'll push for a very convincing demonstration setup. I hope someone who's respected in this field will agree to help me devise an acceptable demonstration setup, even if we are unlikely to hear the nitty gritty of what going on in their magnet motor. 2MW is so much power, that if we can verify that output, and shut off the genset after a short while (with measurements on the power provided to the prime motor), the presence of large batteries or ginormous inductive trickery will be easily dismissed with an hour's running.
My main concern would be: where do I find a load that will pull 2 MW from a device for an hour? :) Right now their setup is a bit too bulky to put on an electric plane, but if there is an electric ferry available without batteries somewhere, that would be be handy :-D
If anyone wants to discuss a suitable validation arrangement, please get in touch with me on Telegram or Insta, @cloxxki
I've not used this site since 2010, can't promise to return to read my PM's. In fact, I had an unread one from 2010 as I just found out.
Of course I really hope I can satisfy myself that the invention is real, as I have loads of uses for cheaper electricity and have been invited to take commissions on sales I generate. I can't ethically do that until I know more. It's a bit of a process to break through the barriers the inventor put up over the years. Their generators have more cameras on them than modern cars, and I kind of suspect there might be a self destruct sequence for when it's poked the wrong way :-D
Super low energy price are indeed possible if the company I'm talking to is indeed for real (and then has been for real, commercially deploying bulk OU energy, for over a decade). MW build cost way lower than wind or solar. kWh cost I think can be brough under 1 eurocent while MUCH greener than either wind or solar. Less tonnage to produce 1 MW worth of equipment, and much better to recycle. I'm super hopeful, but need to know before you'll hear me go "Eureka!".

@OT: please scratch my itch, change the title to reflect "its" in stead of "it's"? Thank you and apologies for my own doubtless many typos above.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #160 on: March 12, 2023, 05:59:30 PM »
I compiled 2 new videos  from all the data we already have about this motor:

MotoFluxPower.com New patented Permanent Magnet Motor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qHOLvSms1I

I made a new video about motofluxpower.com

MotoFlux new permanent magnet motor technology will change the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU2JyE9h5o8


Hope this helps,
Regards, Stefan.

Cloxxki

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #161 on: March 12, 2023, 07:26:09 PM »
I'm grateful for learning about this project through your videos, Stefan!

You mention something one-way? A one-way bearing perhaps, input shaft, output, or bopth? That would actually make sense to me, to claim every degree of rotation achieved.

If I see correctly, the input shaft had three inline magnets acting on offset 1-2-3-1-2-3 rotor positions.
I wonder whether 3 is the perfect number geometrically, or whether anything over 2 works, and more might even be better/smoother. In a compact rotor, some intepreference might act up when flux paths get too close laterally?

The shown torque traces seem quite erratic, I wonder why. Also I wonder what the project is trying to achieve by going public at this stage. What do they need to be able to call more more than "proof of concept"? Is it not a runner yet? A tiny battery would loop it, if consecutive cog-overs can be achieved with more torque out than in? Or are rpms and torque achieved still too low to get an alternator to do its job? Waveform too messy to work?
Effects of a flywheel on either input shaft or rotor or both would be fascating to understand.

So what do they need? A big investor to buy it all up for billions? A big engineering company to fix their problems at their own costs?
« Last Edit: March 12, 2023, 10:36:56 PM by Cloxxki »

ramset

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #162 on: March 12, 2023, 11:12:53 PM »
Cloxxi
Not to speak out of turn…
Stefan is quite busy with administrative and some other obligations ATM


 Here of course our goal is open source,for clarity the LENR community
Which we have members activity involved in …is also open source ( conferences .. experiments etc)
Those resources and others are being brought together around this claim ( in the works)


Hoping for a good test protocol and hopefully a path ( if tests show merit) to some educational
License agreement?
Nothing ventured nothing gained !
BTW nice to see you around
As an aside Rick at Aaron’s forum is rebooting his magnet /gravity Device soon
Will probably look to reboot an old topic here on that ( I believe he has had excellent results to share ?)


Forward ~~~~~>
Respectfully
Chet K
EDIT to cloxxi comment below
This is all conjecture at this point for many reasons ,
Hoping for the best for all involved ( large sums have been offered
In the past to inventors willing to open source a free energy tech )
We shall see ?



Cloxxki

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #163 on: March 12, 2023, 11:35:34 PM »
I recently learned that Stefan's facing some hopefully temporary struggles. Him posting those videos once more show what level of legend he truly is. While I thanked him for his work, I was meaning address the whole community with my thoughts and questions, I wouldn't dare to ask his time directly, thanks for stipulating.

I hear you on the open source thing as well. I wish I were the one to come up with a working magnet motor, and I'd like to think that I'd found a way to open source it. Never sure, greed is a great temptress as is megalomania.

We can't change the past (on this time line at least), let alone someone else's decisions.
Even more important than open source free energy, is to actually have technologies compete on price. Crappy open source stuff might be trumped by fierce commercial competition.

The technology in subject is patented however, as you will know. Didn't stop Stefan from allocating his precious time to it. Is their intent to open source it in the end without a pay day first? I'm unsure why they are at the "proof of concept" with big gains in torque at same rpm. That's only a quick battery hook up from having a full runner, surely?
If this patent is not maintained for it to enter into the public domain...cool! Is this promised by the inventor?
If meant to be open source, we'd expect better drawings to come out and help to be recruited?

Are there replication efforts to this MotoFlux tech, is it even welcomed?
Sorry, I can slow the Earth's if I start asking questions...

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #164 on: March 13, 2023, 05:29:03 AM »

Messed with the Magnet Motor a bit in the "cartoon show" analyzer and the preliminary
indications are this motor might well work as claimed.


Briefly;

(a.) initially, the rotor magnets are aligned to the stator "poles;"

(b.) the interuptor is rotated (cw or alternatively ccw - but only in one direction;

(c.) this disturbes the "magnetic circuit" (see patent diagrams);

(d.) at a certain RPM of the disruptor, the rotor magnets are moved away from the stator poles;

(e.) when enough movement is attained, the rotor magnets "cog" rapidly to the next stator pole position;

(f.) this "rapid snap action" is where the system gain appears (call it what you will);

(g.) now, this is where the "one-way bearings" are needed - the approaching rotating disruptor must be kept
from causing the backward action of either the rotor magnets, the disruptor, or both - allowed to move only
in one direction;

(h.) so, at what RPM is the disruptor most efficient? This is yet to be determined. Or maybe it's a speed control
mechanism of sorts.

In a strange way it's like the Tesla Pump!

OK, now more beer so I can determine the optimum disruptor RPM vs Magnet Field Strength...

Thanks for watching!

SL