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Author Topic: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!  (Read 60931 times)

Dog-One

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2023, 09:25:30 PM »
I think UFO is positively correct about the hammering effect and I would
bet if this device was connected to a generator the output waveform would
show it by not being a true sine wave and instead looking more like short
pulses.  As such, it's unlikely you would achieve full output power either.

Looping with the MotoFlux would likely be difficult if not impossible.

I now suspect there's a reason the demo did not have a flywheel
installed on the output shaft, because by doing so, there would be
massive slipping when trying to amplify torque.

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2023, 09:47:53 PM »
Understanding Torque and power :
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Power is simply that torque multiplied by engine speed.
 Fundamentally, then, an engine’s torque is the measure of its muscle and how much it can flex.
Power is how fast it can flex it across a given period of time.
In a boxer, torque would be how hard he or she
could punch; power is how fast they could produce those blows.

Isn't that some sort of  misunderstanding by few of the forumers  associated with some of the comments?
compare it to the hammer  in your hand movement while  nailing ..
and than compare  it with inventor device  "arm" when he  turns the shaft.
Wesley

Ufopolitics

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2023, 10:07:52 PM »
I am very clear about "Torque and Power".

Torque is Power, not speed.
There could be very high speed, however, without torque, whenever a mechanical load is applied it literally stops.
Plus, you could have a very low speed machine with such high torque, that it is simply "unstoppable"...
Torque is the Force/Weight applied.
Whenever I mentioned the "Hammering Effect" was not related to holding a hammer in my hand and hitting a nail...
I was referring to the hammer effect, similar to the one on an Impact Air Tool (and I mentioned that comparison on my post), it could be from a simple air ratchet to remove wheels stud-nuts to a bigger air hammer to cut and penetrate concrete.

And for everyone's knowledge:
I am NOT going to engage with absolutely anyone here about arguments related to any subject on this thread.
I just rendered my solely opinion about this device, period.
And so, I could care less, if you agree or disagree with me.

Ufopolitics

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2023, 10:36:46 PM »
I am very clear about "Torque and Power".
And for everyone's knowledge:
I just rendered my solely opinion about this device, period.
And so, I could care less, if you agree or disagree with me.

Ufopolitics
I do appreciate your opinion very much  and I believe  most of the audience too.
here is the link:
my quote in the previous  comment was taken from:
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/whats-the-difference-between-power-and-torque-
Please compare it and respond if you feel  it is different than that.
Wesley

Ufopolitics

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2023, 11:09:06 PM »
I do appreciate your opinion very much  and I believe  most of the audience too.
here is the link:
my quote in the previous  comment was taken from:
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/whats-the-difference-between-power-and-torque-
Please compare it and respond if you feel  it is different than that.
Wesley

Torque does not need to be related to speed at all. Torque is power as it is, period.
In a manual Torque Wrench, tightening a bolt in an Engine or any other mechanical component, you apply the specific torque as per the manufacturer spec's...and here (on the spec's), there is absolutely no mention of speed at all, but the Angle of Displacement of your torque wrench from start to end, and normally that angle is given on a range of swing travel. That angle requirement is given in order to apply the proper seat of the fastener, whether a bolt or a nut.

Torque is measured in Newton-Metre [Nm] or Pound-Feet [Lb-Ft] or Pounds-Inch [Lb-In]

Torque is measured by taking readings at "Momentums" of the rotation, which will not require a specific speed.

So Torque is a completely independent parameter, not "directly" dependant upon speed or acceleration.

Now, when we add speed (considering a displacement or travel) plus torque, it then moves to a different situation, which will involve mass weight of the traveling body which will add more torque force.

Related to this device mentioned on thread, the torque amplification would be given by the magnetic attraction stepping of the Armature at each angle plus the magnets spec's related to their pulling force.


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bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2023, 11:28:53 PM »
Torque is not power. This is as fundamental as it gets. Torque is not power. Look it up. Also force is not power.

Really basic physics.
Power is the rate at which work is done or the rate at which energy is used, transfered or converted. Look it up.
bi

bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2023, 11:41:40 PM »
Torque does not need to be related to speed at all. ...

This is a correct statement. Torque can be a static (motionless) feature or quantity, as in a measurement by a torque wrench. The torque is applied to the bolt and is there without motion.

But without motion, there is no power involved.
bi

Ufopolitics

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2023, 11:52:20 PM »
This is a correct statement. Torque can be a static (motionless) feature or quantity, as in a measurement by a torque wrench. The torque is applied to the bolt and is there without motion.

Thks Bi,

But without motion, there is no power involved.
bi

Now, here I disagree, as we are entering into "power" definition...as it depends on what power we are referring to, example electric power does not require motion when it comes from a battery...
However, coming back to torque and power...yes, you are right that torque bolts down to a Vector of Force and not necessarily to power itself in many applications.

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Ufopolitics

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2023, 12:02:50 AM »
 I agree to that.
Torque can be divided into two categories, either static or dynamic.
The difference between them lies in the produced effect.
If the torque produces a reactive force, the torque is considered a static torque
.
On the other hand, the torque is a dynamic torque if it produces a rotation.
-but  we have rotation in  the device in  question.
Wesley

bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2023, 12:05:55 AM »
He's discovered cogging.
bi

Expanding on my earlier post:

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Cogging torque of electrical motors is the torque due to the interaction between the permanent magnets of the rotor and the stator slots of a permanent magnet machine. It is also known as detent or no-current torque. This torque is position dependent and its periodicity per revolution depends on the number of magnetic poles and the number of teeth on the stator. Cogging torque is an undesirable component for the operation of such a motor. It is especially prominent at lower speeds, with the symptom of jerkiness. Cogging torque results in torque as well as speed ripple; however, at high speed the motor moment of inertia filters out the effect of cogging torque.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogging_torque

This cogging is strictly between the rotor magnets and stator teeth.

In one of Mike's videos he shows the torque sensor graphs (from the torque transducers at input and output on the apparatus). Unfortunately I can't read the data. But the average torques are equal minus a slight friction, aerodynamic and core loss. Since the input and output RPM are equal, input and output power are equal, minus the mentioned small loss. The instantaneous torques will differ, but average torque per revolution times the RPM yields power.
bi

Ufopolitics

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2023, 12:08:53 AM »
I think UFO is positively correct about the hammering effect and I would
bet if this device was connected to a generator the output waveform would
show it by not being a true sine wave and instead looking more like short
pulses.  As such, it's unlikely you would achieve full output power either.

Looping with the MotoFlux would likely be difficult if not impossible.

I now suspect there's a reason the demo did not have a flywheel
installed on the output shaft, because by doing so, there would be
massive slipping when trying to amplify torque.

Hello Dog-One,

Thanks, however, I think at high RPM's (like required by a Generator, 3600-3000) we will not see any stepping or square waveform or short pulses.
Related to a Flywheel...I believe by adding a flywheel it will completely kill the "hammering effect" (strong force magnetic stepping advance)

Further on, I believe for a Motor-Generator application of this apparatus, there must be several calculations done, one of them being the neo magnets pull force versus the type of generator required spec's (torque) under load conditions.
Plus, on this demo video the armature is based on only a two magnetic pole rotor...and like in any electric motor, the more magnetic poles the higher the torque...but then, the higher the Input required to rotate it from prime mover...

Regards

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bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2023, 12:12:39 AM »
I agree to that.
Torque can be divided into two categories, either static or dynamic.
The difference between them lies in the produced effect.
If the torque produces a reactive force, the torque is considered a static torque
.
On the other hand, the torque is a dynamic torque if it produces a rotation.
-but  we have rotation in  the device in  question.
Wesley

I mean really? Torque is torque. Sure, it applies to a static system, or a dynamic system. But torque is the same. Just like force. Applied to static and dynamic systems. And like force, there is always a reaction. Equal and opposite. Look up Newton.
bi

bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2023, 12:17:25 AM »
Thks Bi,

Now, here I disagree, as we are entering into "power" definition...as it depends on what power we are referring to, example electric power does not require motion when it comes from a battery...
However, coming back to torque and power...yes, you are right that torque bolts down to a Vector of Force and not necessarily to power itself in many applications.

Regards

Ufopolitics

Hi Ufo,
You forget. Electric power = Voltage times Current. Current = Coulombs per second. Electric power has motion.

Power = Volts * Coulombs/second.
bi
« Last Edit: March 05, 2023, 04:53:45 AM by bistander »

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2023, 12:25:17 AM »
some addition for you to discuss.
At the  end it is a man holding hammer and applying force not the hammer holding man.
Wesley

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2023, 01:04:47 AM »
For better understanding the picture from above.
 -if you have seesaw where  you are in the middle and two identical kids are  on the sides
Try to control  the seesaw from the middle of it.
when kids can do it with their  legs at no problem  at the ends.
The device of an inventor is trying to move shaft  and the the "director"  so in result ends of the  long arm 
704 and 706 coggs
and there are  two of them at opposite ends. so force applied in the middle is x 2
The longer are arms the more force is needed till the arms are infinitely long and power required to move them is increasingly bigger growing to up to infinity .
But magnetic force needed to  perform  cogging reminds  the same.- only length of the arm  704 and 706 has changed symmetrically

Wesley