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Author Topic: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!  (Read 56166 times)

bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2023, 09:38:27 AM »
I am saying the apparatus is a clutch, not a motor or generator, by normal definitions. I base my opinion on the apparatus shown in the videos.
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Dog-One

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2023, 12:05:28 PM »
I am saying the apparatus is a clutch, not a motor or generator, by normal definitions. I base my opinion on the apparatus shown in the videos.

Kind of a clutch, but not exactly.  I'd call it a torque amplifier when used under
ideal conditions.  It behaves similar to a gear with the major difference being
the director shaft rotates at the same RPM as the output shaft.  And though
it's not a motor at all, I can certainly see its utility.  Suppose we insert it between
a 1 HP electric motor and a 2500 watt generator.  If it would indeed allow us
to spin that generator at normal motor shaft RPM while powering a 2500 watt
electrical load, we're in business.  No batteries required.   :D

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2023, 03:12:21 PM »
Interesting is the story created around it.
- like as if you found some stone on the street and start to claim that it has some sort of an "energy" you can use.
Pride and popularity makes you special  as you  are the owner of something others don't have.
It is perfectly legal as long as you don't attempt to sale it creating disappointment  of the buyer expecting
that "energy" to work for him from now.
At that point inventor or seller action  becomes criminal based on false promises  seller cannot or does not want to fulfill.
- like a compensation to the buyer  right?

It looks like  the intention of a patent  owner is not financial gain nor sale of the  device but just  pride of being special
and that  may help  his business popularity. isn't it?
Wouldn't you my friends want to become special, unique, respected, adorned, known and symbolic?
As far As me personally - I DON'T.
nor I care , nor it is important to me,
I'm not special ,  and I differ from many of you,  because  I may be not as good in something you are good at.


opinion expressed is my own . All doubts are  expressed in form of questions not as a statements in all of my comments related to discussed subject.

Wesley

bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2023, 03:31:14 PM »
Look up US patent requirements.

Among first listed
"The invention must be useful."
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stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2023, 03:41:16 PM »
Look up US patent requirements.

Among first listed
"The invention must be useful."
bi
It is useful, and it is unique enough for a patent, but you wanted  a Tiger as it was advertised  and it is a Rat isn't it? 
Let's compare this video with reality of its patent and please correct me if I'm  wrong. :)
https://youtu.be/3qO-7YKzM4A?t=160
you can't even find this video if you don't know its title as it is not in the list ( not listed) at this particular present time right?
look at the list of videos here : https://www.youtube.com/@corbinseatsofficial/videos

opinion expressed is my own . All doubts are  expressed in form of questions not as a statements in all of my comments related to discussed subject.

Wesley

bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2023, 04:36:57 PM »
It is useful, and it is unique enough for a patent, but you wanted  a Tiger as it was advertised  and it is a Rat isn't it? 
Let's compare this video with reality of its patent and please correct me if I'm  wrong. :)
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Hi,
I base my opinion on video linked in website referenced in thread's first post: https://www.motofluxpower.com/how-it-works/

I briefly looked at patents/applications referenced in subsequent posts but have no desire to study them as I find them as useless as the apparatus itself.

I am familiar with past accomplishments of Mike Corbin and respect him for work with EVs and electric land speed racing, areas of interest to me. I like the Sparrow. I am surprised to see him associated with such an apparatus as this useless clutch gizmo. Perhaps his idea of joke?

Only my opinions.
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r2fpl

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2023, 05:12:52 PM »
This is the same mechanism of showing how beautiful it will be in the world with my device.
How could no one understand this! If it was real, there's no need to advertise it. When I see a beautiful video with ecology,
I know that 99.99% of it doesn't work. Unless it's a magnetic clutch :) as he says bistander too.

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2023, 05:44:39 PM »
This is the same mechanism of showing how beautiful it will be in the world with my device.
How could no one understand this! If it was real, there's no need to advertise it. When I see a beautiful video with ecology,
I know that 99.99% of it doesn't work. Unless it's a magnetic clutch :) as he says bistander too.
I agree that video is beautiful. Made with professional crew, using professional slider:
https://youtu.be/tW2iiL_mluo?t=36 and tripod
and camera like mine  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CppZpVfgCE8
or like   BMPCC 6K Pro (I have it too.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nu9C-Qc1G0
and video editing program like  Davinci Resolve 18 (free version of it is offered too. Just download it)
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEksPdEc7aI

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But - it is not proven nor recognized in physics to extract energy from magnet and use it to  perform work.
work is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(physics)
Magnet can't perform work.
https://www.quora.com/When-a-magnet-attracts-another-magnet-can-we-consider-work-to-be-done-If-yes-then-how-Does-the-magnet-lose-its-magnetic-energy
Can you use magnets to create energy?
https://reimaginingeducation.org/can-you-use-magnets-to-create-energy/

You have tendency of not responding to  the questions or statements you made r2fpl
can you respond to that?

Wesley

Ufopolitics

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2023, 06:08:57 PM »
Hello to All,

So, IMO this Apparatus is incorrectly called "motor"...
Yes it is more likely a "magnetic clutch", like Bistander mentioned...
HOWEVER, besides clutching from Input to Output (mechanically) it uses the "Magnetic Jump" (if we could call it like that), thanks to the stator design with the indented notches/air gaps, which adds MORE TORQUE (Amplifies) to the OUTPUT SHAFT...(remember that Input Shaft is NOT mechanically connected to Output Shaft).
This "Magnetic Jump" from the Armature (Secondary Rotor) trying to follow the Inner Input Rotor (called Director by Corbin) is what actually "HAMMERS" a constant and continuous Higher Torque at Output Shaft when running at a steady RPM.

The drawbacks as I think, is that it could "slip off" (meaning "Director" would run away/slips from second rotor or "Armature" whenever a very heavy (mechanical) torque is applied to the output shaft, as an example, trying that a smaller electric motor run a loaded generator. Note that when He is turning Director by hand, there is an "Angle-Gap" until the armature fully reacts or "jumps" to the next step...so, IMHO, the minimal this angle is, the better it will work.

So, whenever they build a setup, where an Electric Motor is fully running a loaded generator through this invention...and it will not slip off, then reuse -some part- of the output generated power to run prime mover motor ...or looping it...then we all will see that it does work...or not.

From my end point, I believe the Armature would need some Couterweights installed, so that the "hammering effect" (like an Air Impact Tool have) is of much higher torque, by "assisting" each magnetic hammering step.

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Ufopolitics

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2023, 06:20:04 PM »
If the 'gain of torque' is so high, why doesn't he put a generator at the output which could power the input motor ?

This would be a 'proof of concept'.  Torque measurements are not.

Ufopolitics

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2023, 06:22:43 PM »
If the 'gain of torque' is so high, why doesn't he put a generator at the output which could power the input motor ?

This would be a 'proof of concept'.  Torque measurements are not.


Exactly...agree.(That is what I have written on my previous post)

e2matrix

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2023, 07:52:42 PM »
He might be aware that anything claiming free energy without any external input or fuel often (always?) attracts the wrong attention and is made to disappear, get shelved or the inventor 'dies suddenly'. 


I think a heavy flywheel could help prevent sudden load slip... 


I won't discount this device as fake until proven as such.   I do think it might be good to contact him privately to talk about a looped device test.  Maybe he has already done that or might be open to it ... privately.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2023, 08:11:14 PM »
I think the disk break shown prevents the "hammering effect"

https://youtu.be/_gGLN2LxwkY?t=190

I imagine if it didn't have that it would jump or slip out of sequence.

synchro1

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2023, 08:34:01 PM »
The chief enemy of this design is core saturation.  High perm materials can help reduce the hysterisis loop but the losses make this kind of generator extremely inefficient over prolonged run time. He says "The rotor begins to jump ahead"! This is because the stator is magnetized and chasing the rotor. Kickback! The ordinary result of saturation.

Ufopolitics

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2023, 08:39:06 PM »
I think the disk break shown prevents the "hammering effect"

https://youtu.be/_gGLN2LxwkY?t=190

I imagine if it didn't have that it would jump or slip out of sequence.


Negative, the disc and caliper is just to add a mechanical load, by putting some hydraulic pressure on disc brake pads through caliper pistons, it will add more friction to output shaft. Not necessarily fully stopping it.
The hammering effect would be there at all times, by armature following the director input shaft to next step or jump.


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