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hartiberlin

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #75 on: March 05, 2023, 11:36:52 PM »
I don’t have time to study it deeply now..Wesley...
to me, these drawings are more confusing...than helping..
Try to make an animation video with them.You already have the 3D program, maybe it it then getting more clear...


Anyway, here is a German document from Adolf Schneider from Borderlands.dewho looked into it.


http://www.borderlands.de/Links/Magnetmotor-Hanagan.pdf
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #76 on: March 06, 2023, 12:13:05 AM »
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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #77 on: March 06, 2023, 12:25:42 AM »
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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #78 on: March 06, 2023, 01:06:36 AM »
I don't understand what would be the benefit from removing cogging?
Wesley


Thanks to Stivep for your advice. Please forgive me for being slow to respond.

Probably fig6 in Corbin's patent
The magnetic field lines are drawn incorrectly.

I think it should be fig 6-2 below

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #79 on: March 06, 2023, 01:50:27 AM »
Turn a few more angles, and the magnetic field lines look like fig 6-3

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #80 on: March 06, 2023, 02:06:14 AM »
In the patent schematic, the stator salient spacing is relatively small.
The rotor core is prone to step out.
Therefore, in fact, the spacing of the stator salient poles accounts for about 1/4 of the period.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #81 on: March 06, 2023, 03:17:47 AM »
In the patent schematic, the stator salient spacing is relatively small.
The rotor core is prone to step out.
Therefore, in fact, the spacing of the stator salient poles accounts for about 1/4 of the period.

Yes, but he has 3 Stators stacked axially each separated by a spacer appears to be same thickness as the individual stator core, and the 3 stators offset angularly about a tooth width. Three PM rotors are in line axially spaced apart same as stators. As it rotates, the rotor(s) sequentially align with each of the 3 salient teeth then a blank space for each "total" pole pitch. Each "total" pole consist of 3 "mini" poles ( or teeth) and a blank space. I assume each of the 3 rotor magnets has a corresponding director and each its own magnetic circuit (path).

This complicates the 2D analysis. But it is hardly a method for power gain. Also, watching the video to analyze construction I notice his instruments regularly read a gain of about 20. If that was real, he'd certainly be able to replace the disc brake with a small generator and loop it.
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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #82 on: March 06, 2023, 04:02:10 AM »

This device should be easy to analyze-simulate using the free FEMM 2D CAE. Might
answer some technical questions (provide some actual numbers) and confirm the
viability of various magnetics and physics.
Maybe even create animated plots with actual torques and legends.

https://www.femm.info/wiki/HomePage

Since the device is simple enough, some Student versions of other 3D CAE platforms
might be capable of analyzing it as well. Wouldn't hurt to check anyway! 

Just sayin'

Not curious enough myself to bother, but if you fellows come up with something
promising, maybe at some point.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #83 on: March 06, 2023, 05:22:43 AM »
looks pretty simple:


a rotating magnet placed in the center of two opposing stator magnets.


has anyone tested this? or do i waste my time building another HJ?


the principal is sound, does anyone have the magnets?


HJ said this works, and showed us many ways to do it, this falls in line with any of those.




we're at page 6 here? any experiments? videos? etc? theories ? conjecture?


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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #84 on: March 06, 2023, 06:57:38 AM »
Yes, but he has 3 Stators stacked axially each separated by a spacer appears to be same thickness as the individual stator core, and the 3 stators offset angularly about a tooth width.

Thanks bistander for discussing!

The structure of three layers combined at different angles is for smoother rotation.
My thinking has not yet taken into account the three layers.
I'm just guessing in the case of a single layer whether the Corbin principle and improvements can amplify the torque.

I also consult you where the extra energy will come from.

I figured out the single layer and then further learned the three-layer structure.

Thank you, everyone
panyuming

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #85 on: March 06, 2023, 12:58:57 PM »
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I also consult you where the extra energy will come from.
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Fairy tales.
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stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #87 on: March 06, 2023, 03:38:04 PM »
power distribution as per seesaw.
controlling  seesaw at the pivot point  vs controlling  seesaw at the  end of seesaw
applied  to the inventor  rotary device.

conclusion :

if the goal is cogging of entire  arm than  why than apply  force at the 2cm in diameter shaft when length of the arm is e.g 8.2m
as in  the drawing ?
Explanation for Stefan.
My solution to this problem was presented and explained  in my earlier comments where for example
~10W power at the shaft  required to move it and  create cogging,  was replaced with  ~0.1W to create the same effect using  magnetic force.

 
Wesley

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2023, 04:01:44 PM »
The child changes the center of gravity. Don't stand in the middle because it won't change the truth.
In the device, the center of gravity is always the same.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2023, 04:10:45 PM »
The child changes the center of gravity. Don't stand in the middle because it won't change the truth.
In the device, the center of gravity is always the same.
You didn't read English on the picture - is it  because of language  problem?
We are not talking about gravity in inventor device but about  power distribution  similarity
in the inventor device vs seesaw.

In other words  if you were to pay $10  for  the same work done  instead $0.1 would you be rather
listen to the solution and spend less ?
And that is exactly what I'm pointing at  in my pictures.

Let's say:
Entire  Invention is  about cogging:
 -You  want cogging and this is your goal.
And  you  make cogging  but now for much less.
I'm applying magnetic force to make cogging happen  but at different place .
Now my shaft is free, doesn't have  any  driving motor  and can be used to connect  e.g alternator.

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However we need to remember that there is no way to extract  energy stored in the magnet 
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because magnets do not contain energy.!!!
https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/ask-an-engineer/why-cant-magnetism-be-used-as-a-source-of-energy/
MIT - Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Entire Inventor  patent including his claims  doesn't say  a word about it.
But his verbal claims do.
And that is not protected by a patent if for some reason  he somehow "miraculously"   shows  his device working  beyond any doubts.
I hope it helps now.

opinion expressed is my own
Wesley