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Author Topic: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!  (Read 58618 times)

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2023, 01:58:05 AM »
I mean really? Torque is torque. Sure, it applies to a static system, or a dynamic system.
But torque is the same. Just like force. Applied to static and dynamic systems.
And like force, there is always a reaction. Equal and opposite. Look up Newton.
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look here:
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On the other hand, the torque is a dynamic torque if it produces a rotation.
what-is-the-difference-between-static-torque-and-dynamic-torque

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2023, 02:33:37 AM »
look here: what-is-the-difference-between-static-torque-and-dynamic-torque

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Wesley
Yes, that is what that says. It appears to be simplified explanation made for young schoolers or mechanics. It is not accurate physics definition. One thing which I notice is they appear to mix static friction (sometimes called stiction) in with torque without motion and call it static torque. That possibly helps the uneducated visualize a difference in what they may encounter with mechanics' tools, but is misleading in regards to true understanding.

I do not see references or sources or author for the quote or linked reimagining website. You would benefit from a physics textbook definition or several. I've studied this for 50 years. But don't trust me. Look it up. I'm often surprised how many incorrect "lessons" are posted on the interwebs. If by chance, you, or someone else, finds a reputable accredited source (in physics) which contradicts my statements, please list it.
Regards,
bi

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I see you added a graphic. If it doesn't move, it is static. If it moves (rotates) it is dynamic. Torque is like force. It will always have equal and opposite torque, like a force always has equal and opposite force. Difference: force is for mechanical translational system and torque for mechanical rotational system. This is valid whether or not there is motion, static or dynamic.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2023, 02:55:36 AM »
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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2023, 02:05:46 PM »
Dear bistander and others:

I often take and post quotes because  I don't have time to write essays-and  it is easier to throw the link to support it.
I do not deal here much with  physicists but  with  curiousness  of an average  reader.
Wesley
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bistander

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2023, 02:58:31 PM »
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[/b]Is the nature of the concern  clear enough now?
Wesley

Dear Wesley,

Please chill. No, it is not clear. I have no idea what you're going on about. Please drop it. I apologize if somehow I have offended you. All I said or/and implied is "torque is torque". period

Respectfully,
bi

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2023, 03:59:46 PM »
 Its OK, no problem.
 I pointed here:
 Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!  « Reply #44 on: Today at 01:04:47 AM »
Look at the two vectors,  in green and red.
In regards to the picture power distribution  as per seesaw.jpg 
that  there is unlikely any benefit or no benefit  at all from the structure proposed by  the inventor
as his device must be rotated  by some  sort of  engine or motor as the power  delivered to the shaft and  its "director" #708
must be big enough to turn  arm  #704 and #706 to cogg.
The longer is the arm   #704 and #706 respectively the more power is required  on the shaft,while magnetic field  opposing
it reminds unchanged .
another words  power delivered to the device must be bigger than power  used for cogging  + load on it if present.
By that  statement of the inventor   is unsubstantiated- to be delicate...
There is no extraction of energy stored in the permanent magnet !!
Please comment on it  honestly and I do thank you very much for your previous response.
Wesley



 
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kolbacict

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2023, 04:23:35 PM »
And this is what I have?
Your American pump JOHNSON PUMP AB SWEDEN , stolen by me a long time ago. ;)
Magnetic coupling with four-pole magnets on both sides.

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2023, 04:37:57 PM »
Hello everyone!
Thank you very much am1ll3r for starting this thread.

After I learned, I thought that Corbin motors might really amplify torque.
But I don't know where the extra energy comes from.

I assume: the rotor contains an inertial wheel of suitable mass,
Mask the Hammering Effect and only look at the average.
And the entire rotor system is rotating clockwise at a constant speed.

A rough schematic


1. Figure 1: Setting: A certain moment in the rotation is the initial state.
Magnetic field lines are linked from the red and blue permanent magnets along the yellow rotor core to the stator salient pole.
From this moment on, quickly rotate the magnet of the axis clockwise by a large angle.
Make magnetic field lines rarely pass through the yellow rotor.
In this way, the moment of the yellow rotor leaving the stator salient pole is very small (torque).

2. Figure 2: The yellow rotor rotates to the position away from the stator salient pole.
From this moment on, quickly place the magnet of the axis
Rotate counterclockwise back to the right angle,

3. Figure 3: Reaching this position, the magnetic field lines pass more through the yellow rotor core.
The yellow rotor core rotates clockwise to the next stator salient pole at several times the torque.

In Figure 1, because the radius of the red-blue magnet is small,
The moment when the magnet rotates away from the yellow rotor core is also small (torque).

In Figure 3, the torque of the yellow rotor supplying the rotor inertia wheel is several times larger.

Is that so? Please advise.


If this principle is correct, the torque can really be amplified, and it is worth continuing to improve.

Is it a little similar to the double-layer rotor structure of Holcomb motors?

An improvement could be:
A red-blue permanent magnet in the center that can be replaced by a multipole electromagnet.
Perhaps the electromagnet does not have to rotate.
At the position of Figure 1, the electromagnet is de-energized and the magnetic force disappears.
The yellow rotor core easily leaves the stator salient pole,
This has little resistance to the inertia wheel.
When the yellow rotor core rotates to the position of Figure 3,
Turn on the electromagnet current, generate magnetic field lines,
Pull the yellow rotor core to rotate clockwise.
The acceleration torque is output to the inertia wheel.

Thank you!


stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2023, 05:10:47 PM »
vectoral power  distribution  as per seesaw.
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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2023, 05:29:41 PM »
Not seesaw.
Do not use the force of the magnet to move the yellow arm away from the stator salient pole at the initial position in Figure 1.
It is necessary to quickly remove the magnet so that there are basically no magnetic field lines on the yellow arm,
and there is no resistance to leave the salient pole.

The magnet should return to the right angle, and the yellow arm should be moved to the next salient pole.

The inertia wheel has a very important role.

Ufopolitics

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2023, 05:57:55 PM »
There is no extraction of energy stored in the permanent magnet !!
Please comment on it  honestly and I do thank you very much for your previous response.
Wesley
Well, you've asked to comment, so I will, on the above bold out statement.
I completely disagree.
Permanent Magnets have unlimited force and not only in a single form, but in TWO ways, Attraction and Repulsion!!
Neodymium Magnets could retain their force for over a period of 100 years without loosing a bit.
So, the FACT that We have not being able to HARNESS their power, their energy, their FORCE, it does not means magnets do not have power/force/energy.
They do...
There are very simple reasons why, science and physics have "adopted" all that same saying you are repeating above, over and over for so long...
And the fact is so simple, it requires almost no explanation...because the single minute that anyone of Us, shows up a fully self running Magnet Motor...it will cause such a huge collapse on everything we have been tought about the "myth" of "Perpetuum Mobilia"...it will automatically be shown that all was a very well elaborated LIE that have lasted hundred of years!!
And so that "Game would be over, finished, ended"
First than all, I am a BUILDER, NOT just a "theory writer or a Copy & Paste responder" that on this Forums are SO MANY!!...and so they call themselves "Scientists"...
I have built so many prototypes where you can observe the magnets force at work...but, like I have said before...I will not engage into that here.
However, let's try this:
THE WEEDEATER SINGLE STROKE GAS ENGINE EXAMPLE:
So, just let's go to this very simple tool that almost anyone have on their garage...and observe its characteristics...:
A small, single stroke gas engine, seen on every lawn tools...say a "weed eater"...
It is running perfectly well, it has been tuned to perfection, in order that just a single pull from its cranking cord will start it up right away.
And a very IMPORTANT FACT to have in mind!!...NONE of these little Gas Engines have a Battery, nor a Capacitor of any kind...to STORE ENERGY!!
Now, take this small engine apart, and just REMOVE the very small magnet on its revolving armature...then re-assemble everything back as factory spec's...
Now, try to start it...I will watch you...
It will simply NOT start.
Just because that very small magnet was in charge to provide/generate/create, that very much needed "spark" which will ignite the whole Engine...PLUS keep it running as long as is operating.
My question is...Is there any other material/component on Earth, that we all could use to replace that very small magnet?
The answer is a radical NOPE, there is NOT!!
That little magnet had the stored energy, only compound in our planet, known as Magnetic Field, that is able, whenever passing through a simple coil of enameled wire...to generate that required "spark" in a timely order, to start up that complex little gas engine...
Now, everything could go wrong with that small  engine...carburation adjustment, a gas leak, a pressure leak, the small diaphragm pump, a gas filter clogged that will avoid from it to start...however, the only component which you could always leave for last to diagnose...is that very small permanent magnet.

Now, no matter how many links you copy and paste here, how many explanations and "run arounds" you try...You, or anyone else, will NOT be able to change my mind but not even a bit...no matter what.
Therefore, it is useless to try...sorry.

Sincerely

Ufopolitics


Edit 1: And please, not stupid answers allowed here with this level of knowledge...like: "Well, if you also remove the wire coil, or the small inlet gas hose, the engine would not start either..."
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PERMANENT MAGNETS HERE. SO, LEAVE ALONE ALL OTHER ENGINE COMPONENTS!!

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #56 on: March 05, 2023, 06:35:04 PM »
So, the FACT that We have not being able to HARNESS their power, their energy, their FORCE, it does not means magnets do not have power/force/energy.
lets start with MIT *  Massachusetts Institute of Technology blog:
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“Magnetism is a force, but it has no energy of its own,
https://alum.mit.edu/slice/why-cant-magnetism-be-used-source-energy
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To 'get' Energy out of a device, a Force has to be moved through a Distance.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/why-is-a-magnet-not-an-infinite-source-of-energy.752748/


Why can’t magnetism be used as a source of energy?
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Because magnets do not contain energy — but they can help control it…
https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/ask-an-engineer/why-cant-magnetism-be-used-as-a-source-of-energy/

Now a little of confusion:
 
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The potential energy of a magnet or magnetic moment  in a magnetic field  is defined as the mechanical work of the magnetic force
(actually magnetic torque) on the re-alignment of the vector of the magnetic dipole moment  and is equal to: 
Energy is also stored in a magnetic field.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_energy

I gave you  picture with vectors
when you look at magnetic field think about  air Balloon
The energy used  to pump it  can't be used but you can push it with your finger and it will interact.
In order  to release/ use  this energy you may   pierce the balloon .
In order  to release energy from the  brick wall build with  sweat and work of construction guys you may destroy it
In order to release energy used to create   atomic structure  of the magnet you need to destroy that atomic  structure  and you'll deal with   
the weak force and strong  force bonding it. 
But good thing is that  magnetic field is "flexible" similar to the balloon.
Wesley

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2023, 06:51:37 PM »
Quote
Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth” - Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propagandist.
The illusory truth effect (also known as the illusion of truth, truth effect, or the reiteration effect) is the tendency to believe in false information after hearing it repeatedly.
Link: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/illusion-truth-effect-repeat-lie-often-enough-becomes-pei-ying-chua

And so, this lie about Magnetism, Permanent Magnets, Energy, etc,etc,etc...and a very long etc...has been spreaded/propagated over hundred of years...then the image below applies...majority believes it...it is "typical Human Nature behavior".
Now, thanks to God, not everyone does!!

Ufopolitics


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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2023, 06:59:35 PM »
Now, no matter how many links you copy and paste here, how many explanations and "run arounds" you try...You, or anyone else, will NOT be able to change my mind but not even a bit...no matter what.
Therefore, it is useless to try...sorry.


Sincerely

Ufopolitics

In case you did not read me well...on my previous post.

stivep

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Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2023, 07:07:38 PM »
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