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### Author Topic: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!  (Read 28522 times)

#### Jimboot

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #285 on: March 26, 2023, 09:40:17 AM »
Its slightly above 10:1 torque amplification
Adding more weight doesn’t increase or decrease this value

Although adding more devices on a common shaft like the inventor might
Interesting, thanks for the video too. It got me hunting around for bearings.

#### Cloxxki

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #286 on: March 26, 2023, 12:41:49 PM »
Its slightly above 10:1 torque amplification
Adding more weight doesn’t increase or decrease this value

Although adding more devices on a common shaft like the inventor might
Did you deduct the 6 lb-ft baseline for that calculation?
Yeah, I'm curious what that's about.
With a one-way bearing involved, I can see how on some point there will always be "torque".

Even in a zero rpm situation, you can just attach levers on both input and output shaft, say 1 foot each, and see whether the 1 or 10 pounds on the input can actually lift a multiple attached to a same length lever, while keeping an eye on level angle, start with 180º, input top right, output top left. It's NOT that hard, if the torque measurements are representative.
That Corbin setup BEGS for simple lever work. He can machine that proof of concept apparatus, he can fabricate levers to attach weights to.
If a level isn't enough, a simply pulley on each side is even better. Pulley, cord, weight, input and output.
People throw around "oooh you need to be a physicist to be able to say anything about a magnet motor", but come on, I only have highschool and all I'm doing is actually remembering the basic stuff.
Inventors are very good at finding ONE AND ONLY WAY to extract "anomalous" measurements, and they'll stick to it. I truly hope we'll soon hear that Corbin's setup is able to produce excess work in low rpm, even useful power at whatever rpm the setup can handle now.
All the focus on torque though (he's a car guy, so perhaps we need to give him a pass for that?), so that 6 lb-ft flat line is worrisome.
I'll happily take COP=5. Let a 1 pound weight on a pulley lift a 5 pound weight on the other side, on a same size pulley for the same vertical distance. With 5, we can work, 10 would be amazing.

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #287 on: March 26, 2023, 01:21:19 PM »
Its slightly above 10:1 torque amplification
Adding more weight doesn’t increase or decrease this value

Although adding more devices on a common shaft like the inventor might

Hi sm0ky2

That should teach people to build instead of speculate!

With a double device like your build, using the first secondary rotor to drive a second prime mover, the second secondary rotor would produce ~100 times the first primary mover’s torque?

I wonder if the second device would need magnets 10 times more powerful.

#### Cloxxki

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #288 on: March 26, 2023, 04:23:19 PM »
Hi sm0ky2

That should teach people to build instead of speculate!

With a double device like your build, using the first secondary rotor to drive a second prime mover, the second secondary rotor would produce ~100 times the first primary mover’s torque?

I wonder if the second device would need magnets 10 times more powerful.

if you have 2 idential systems, and the second can still offer a 10x, then you might as well start giving the first device a 10x larger input, as the output is worth it. Half the building cost for 90% the output, a much better deal.

No inventor I've seen has done this, make two devices, one powering the other. In needs to be done, though.
An input multiplying device once working (which is the main hickup of course) will have an optimal input for greatest power multiple, and likely a higher input power (for instance in the form of rpm and resistance settings) that will product the greatest net overunity in Watts. The latter is more important, as those are the Watts get get for the kgs (cost) of the machine.
If you want more gains, you tend to need a bigger machine, or at least rated for such.

Once a few devices are linked in series at optimal net gain, the amount of output power that needs to be re-routed to the primal input become a very small percentage. You get a pyramid of devices, small to large and only the biggest one in is charge of re-routing anything to loop. Most of the output is available to exit the system.

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #289 on: March 26, 2023, 07:35:44 PM »
Sorry, I was being facetious. I don't understand where the gain is observed.

#### Cloxxki

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #290 on: March 27, 2023, 01:52:49 AM »
Sorry, I was being facetious. I don't understand where the gain is observed.

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #291 on: March 27, 2023, 11:32:37 AM »
Sorry, I was being facetious. I don't understand where the gain is observed.

I’m not prepared to call it a “gain” yet. Need more data

There is definitely an increase in torque
But i can do that with a fat kid on the other end of a See-Saw

What i see is ‘magnetic leverage’

To quantify an energy gain we need measurements

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #292 on: March 27, 2023, 02:00:19 PM »
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What i see is ‘magnetic leverage’
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Leverage is good…

Can you answer this please, if you were to tape a couple of wood sticks across all 3 sets of magnets, tying them rigidly together, would it take more effort to turn the crank than it does in your video?

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #293 on: March 27, 2023, 03:55:44 PM »
Leverage is good…

Can you answer this please, if you were to tape a couple of wood sticks across all 3 sets of magnets, tying them rigidly together, would it take more effort to turn the crank than it does in your video?

That was the first test:
I belted the upper (weighted disk) and spun that as a base reference.
Then again using only the lower disk with the center magnets.
To see how much force it takes irrespective of the magnetic gear

Spinning the weights directly with the belt is rather difficult and stretches the belt
its this elasticity constant that indicated i should continue the tests
Had there been no leverage, the belt would have stretched in the geared tests

Also its very noticeable. Build one

Note: i did not use any “1 way bearings”
If you need one for your build, we may be able to harvest them from rear bicycle wheels?

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #294 on: March 27, 2023, 04:08:47 PM »
What im thinking is happening here, as we apply force to the gear magnet,
the gap between the fields closes, pushing both magnets with the strength of the compressed magnetic field
This is not the same as physically pushing an object:

i can set up some linear magnetic sliders to demonstrate this if needed
or move a magnet using a solenoid (field interaction)
Then again Physically attached to the solenoid piston

We know from hydraulic control solenoids that the field has more leverage than our physically pushing a rod
The “leverage” in the electrical case, is synonymous to a hydraulic fluid system.
This is understood, and can be dismissed. Instead we measure energy into the solenoid
and output force on the magnetic assembly.
(attached and unattached, taking careful note of the distance moved)

Note: a basic set-up of the above experiment will require moving the measurement point further away during the magnetic test to account for the gap between the assemblies. Failure to account for this applies incorrect pressure onto the measuring device and will change the results.

Also important to understand is the magnetic compression ratio between the magnetic pair.
This won’t make or break the effect, but will change precise force measurements between different magnetic pairs. Meaning ratios should be used to represent input vs output, rather than sharing explicit newton measurements for every unique build. (which would just serve to convolute our understanding)

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #295 on: March 27, 2023, 05:44:49 PM »
Thanks for the information! Much appreciated.

Thanks to your input here I am contemplating a build. I did notice in the video that your magnets were repelling. The patent drawing field lines indicate attraction, but skimming the patent, nowhere are the poles for the center magnet specified.

Would I be correct in assuming your magnets are all ceramic and not neos? I have neos on hand but no ceramics.

#### bistander

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #296 on: March 27, 2023, 08:26:43 PM »
Thanks for the information! Much appreciated.

Thanks to your input here I am contemplating a build. I did notice in the video that your magnets were repelling. The patent drawing field lines indicate attraction, but skimming the patent, nowhere are the poles for the center magnet specified.

Would I be correct in assuming your magnets are all ceramic and not neos? I have neos on hand but no ceramics.

That's because there is no center magnet in Mike's device. He clearly says a number of times that the radial director is steel. As such, it is always attracted to the magnets on the rotor. No repulsion there, or anywhere else in this device.
bi

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #297 on: March 27, 2023, 08:45:59 PM »
Thanks for the information! Much appreciated.

Thanks to your input here I am contemplating a build. I did notice in the video that your magnets were repelling. The patent drawing field lines indicate attraction, but skimming the patent, nowhere are the poles for the center magnet specified.

Would I be correct in assuming your magnets are all ceramic and not neos? I have neos on hand but no ceramics.

I did some tests with neos, fields are stronger at close range but the distance is where they lack
Neos fall off along a sharp curve
These old school ceramics have a fairly consistent field at a much further distance
As long as you get the spacing right (close but not touching when they rotate) should work fine with any types of magnets.
Other reason i went with ceramic is the weight
Theyre heavier (not enough because i still added weights on top)

You are correct about my polarity i DID begin my video in repulsion

However they over spin one another and doesnt seem to matter which way it flips

I will point out that at a standstill repulsion provides more starting torque
So to start it up you might want to set it to repulsion
But once its going the rpm’s don’t lock in synchro
Outer disk can get going faster than the drive magnets

#### endlessoceans

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #298 on: March 28, 2023, 12:16:16 AM »
This was over at another thread and I am placing here also because it is to do with leverage also

LOOKS like a working prototype and a genuine inventor

No claims by me as to whether it is more energy out than in but the videos and inventors claims seem to indicate that

Frustrating that many interesting inventions coming from eastern bloc countries.  Im intrigued what their common thread is

Firstly Andrey Ermola from Kharkov. Secondly, its gearbox converts the static mechanical pressure on the gearbox rod into a rotational torque. What does this mean: once you have created a force of a vector plan (for example, a jack) per unit of time and remove the torque. What is the output, connect your business.

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: Magnetic flux motor just patented that creates it's own electricity!
« Reply #299 on: March 28, 2023, 03:17:48 AM »
Don’t understand much of that language,
But it looks like an elliptical planetary drive
Newscast video seems to indicate he got the idea from Bessler

Striking similarities when you visualize the magnetic fields

I think what this means is we should spin all wheels as if
we were children on the whirly-go-round (leverage)
Like putting a crankshaft on a crankshaft (William Skinner, etc)